I wonder if he will try to reverse these numbers by going on Letterman again and spouting more retard jokes.

57% is "circling the drain"? Four percent more than Obama's 52.9% of the 2008 popular vote? Yeah, I'll be he's really shitting himself over this one. Gawd, you folks really are a caution.

Let's check what Gallup has to say (as opposed to the poster's rant):

At the link, click on PRESIDENTIAL JOB APPROVAL and you get:

PRINCETON, NJ -- President Barack Obama's job approval rating fell to 58% in Gallup Poll Daily tracking from June 16-18 -- a new low for Obama in Gallup tracking, although not dissimilar to the 59% he has received on four other occasions.

Thirty-three percent of Americans now disapprove of the job Obama is doing as president, just one point shy of his record-high 34% disapproval score from early June.

Since Obama took office in January, his approval rating in Gallup tracking has averaged 63%, and most of his three-day ratings have registered above 60%. Approval of Obama did fall to 59% in individual readings in February, March, April, and early June; however, in each case, the rating lasted only a day before rebounding to at least 60%.

The latest decline in Obama's approval score, to 58%, results from a drop in approval among political independents as well as among Republicans. Democrats remain as highly supportive of the president as ever.

Obama's approval rating was 60% from June 13-15, at which time 88% of Democrats, 60% of independents, and 25% of Republicans approved of the job he was doing. In the June 16-18 polling, Democrats' approval of him stands at 92% -- up slightly -- whereas approval is down among both independents (by seven points) and Republicans (by four points).

Thirty-three percent of Americans now disapprove of the job Obama is doing as president, just one point shy of his record-high 34% disapproval score from early June.

Since Obama took office in January, his approval rating in Gallup tracking has averaged 63%, and most of his three-day ratings have registered above 60%. Approval of Obama did fall to 59% in individual readings in February, March, April, and early June; however, in each case, the rating lasted only a day before rebounding to at least 60%.

The latest decline in Obama's approval score, to 58%, results from a drop in approval among political independents as well as among Republicans. Democrats remain as highly supportive of the president as ever.

Obama's approval rating was 60% from June 13-15, at which time 88% of Democrats, 60% of independents, and 25% of Republicans approved of the job he was doing. In the June 16-18 polling, Democrats' approval of him stands at 92% -- up slightly -- whereas approval is down among both independents (by seven points) and Republicans (by four points).

Bottom Line

Since February, Obama's weekly approval ratings from Republicans have consistently averaged close to 30% and from independents, close to 60%. With Republican approval now down to 21% and independent approval down to 53%, Obama's overall job approval has dipped to a new low for his presidency.

why do you continue to try to make those factors analogous?

anyways who cares what you say Sarvis. Here is something much more important.
I think I know who the figure is in the famous Patterson film. Make a comparison, the pose, the stride, the expression......

Obama on front page of DR:

57% is "circling the drain"?

Given dumbya had what mid to upper 20's, 57% as circling the drain should be a stretch even for the most delusional right tards.

why do you continue to try to make those factors analogous?

You're not making sense. Your headline refers to "Obama Approval Rating" at the Gallup site. I sent to the Gallup site, looked at the chart, and then followed the link that provides background and additional information. It's not my fault you don't like what the Gallup site has to say about the Gallup poll findings. But you're the one who set up a thread linked to that site. Maybe next time you should contact the Gallup folks and see if they'd like to make whatever arranements are required to put their information more in concert with your own views.

Oh yeah, BTW post as much of the analysis as you want, the REAL "bottom line" is his approval is down to 57%. The number is the number. Close to only HALF of Americans like this guy as Pres.

#6 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis

no ,no. Cross post. i was asking that in reference to your first post - why do you continue to try to make his % of vote analogous to his current approval rating -

"why do you continue to try to make his % of vote analogous to his current approval rating -"

It's a point of comparison.

"the REAL "bottom line""

Yes, it's right up there at #3. Somehow, I have a feeling the Gallup organization is better qualified to evaluate the information they've obtained than you are. But maybe that's just me.

Let's just agree to disagree that this guy has a mandate to hijack our liberty.

I am suddenly way more interested in the fact that I have solved the mystery of the Patterson film.

"Let's just agree to disagree that this guy has a mandate to hijack our liberty."

We don't disagree on that. Nobody has a mandate to hijack our liberty. That's not what he's doing, of course. But, please, go ahead and differ. Do you really sleep with a night light on ?

Former President Bush would have been ecstatic to have ratings as high as the Obamaman's. Is there a chance that a personal dislike for the current admin is coloring your thread's tenor? Just a little bit?

"Obama's overall job approval has dipped to a new low for his presidency."

I KNOW you and your little friends just HATE Rasmussen, but this is what he has to say:

"Overall, 54% of voters say they at least somewhat approve of the President's performance so far. Forty-five percent (45%) disapprove. For more Presidential barometers, see Obama By the Numbers."

However, THIS may be more indicative of the current mood:

"The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Monday shows that 33% of the nation's voters now Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President. Thirty-four percent (34%) Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -1. Today is the second straight day the President's rating has been below zero (see trends).

Among those who are politically liberal, 64% Strongly Approve. So do 40% of moderates. However 61% of conservatives Strongly Disapprove (see other recent demographic highlights)."

And...for those who think Rasmussen data is unreliable, here is a study done by the Department of Political Science at Fordham U:

looking at Gallup's numbers ....

ONLY ELEVEN percent of Americans - that's about ONE out of TEN people - need to change their mind about approving of Obama....and Obama would overall have a negative approval rating. he would go into the minus column.

WOW!

NICE JOB OBAMA !

Funny, I seem to remember polls not meaning shit when Bush's numbers were in the tank...

8roper-it's disturbing that you seem to be salivating at the prospect of Obama's numbers falling further-ie you WANT him to fail. Pathetic.

And don't bother coming back with "well Libs wanted Bush to fail." "Libs" as a group more than likely didn't and those that did are as pathetic as you.

Close to only HALF of Americans like this guy as Pres.

It is still closer to 60% than 1/2. I know math is a hard concept, but do try to keep up.

Funny, I seem to remember polls not meaning shit when Bush's numbers were in the tank...

Well that follows other great flip flops from the republic party such as:

Up or down votes with no fillibuster.
Deficits not mattering when Republics were issuing the debt.
Candidates resigning in disgrace when caught with prostitutes.

"t's disturbing that you seem to be salivating at the prospect of Obama's numbers falling further-ie you WANT him to fail. Pathetic."

Why?

Don't look at it as wanting him to fail. Instead look at it like this, the American people are waking up. Fewer people are willing to set their reason aside and blindly follow the letter that comes after his name.

"the American people are waking up."

Already happened.
Last November.

"Already happened.
Last November."

Oh, i must have missed that. All i saw was an unqualified teen idol-esq poster-boy doubling the campaign spending of his opponent and people running in fear of being called a racist. I just figured the populace fooled by impossible promises bold faced lies were coming to the conclusion that they had been duped. Maybe it was when obama did not pay their car payments.

thank salamandagator -

Thanks for that viewpoint and its a shame dumbasses like JPW have zero reading skills.....

8roper-it's disturbing that you seem to be salivating at the prospect of Obama's numbers falling further-ie you WANT him to fail. Pathetic.

#15 | Posted by jpw

Hey JPW you're slow and pathetic .... read the original post, if you bothered to show up on this thread at least read my opening:

I don't want Obama to suffer personal embarassment. I am not happy due to some sort of revenge factor. My point is : I am very happy to see that the American people have finally started to wake up and realize that the policies the POTUS is persuing are not good. That is the reason I am happy to see Obama's approval plummet . It shows there is NO MANDATE for him to be running a government takeover of banking, auto industry, health care, etc.

You must've been tuned into a weekend marathon of Elton John concerts. I was referencing the presidential election. Great stuff.

#20 | Posted by salamandagator

It's sad , in a way.
I lost confidence in most of American society after November , so this mass-remorse we are now seeing is obviously welcomed, but GOD DAMMIT its bittersweet ....in that all of those assholes voted for him in the first place!

" I was referencing the presidential election. Great stuff."

Sweet, so obama was not elected?
Thank God, i thought we had a bank shilling, anti-constitution, anti-free thought, socialism pitching, democrat lackey, career politician, fear mongering, idiot, liar elected. It's nice to know it was just a nightmare.

This is like the 4th or 5th Obama poll thread I have started in about as many weeks.

There are no libs here to defend his ratings plummet this time .... not compared to the last few ... because these poll results cannot be defended .

As evidenced by the ONE guy who did show up (Sarvis) and attempt to defend the ratings plummet by saying " well Gallup says he is 57 now, but he used to be at 60 before he fell to 57"

Brilliant, you retarded freak.

"Don't look at it as wanting him to fail. Instead look at it like this, the American people are waking up. Fewer people are willing to set their reason aside and blindly follow the letter that comes after his name."

I'm all for that. I voted for the guy knowing I would eventually become disenchanted and jaded. What I didn't count on was being there so rapidly.

However, the glee with which some mark Obama's falling numbers isn't merely people waking up. There seems to be genuine pleasure derived from it when there should be worry or apprehension.

did you see my retort to your swine flu ignorance in the other link ~ jpw?

saying " well Gallup says he is 57 now, but he used to be at 60 before he fell to 57"
#25 | Posted by 8roper

Really?
Show me where I said that.
Give the boy a Liar Flag.

"because these poll results cannot be defended ."

I do not think these polls have a whole lot of meaning. Beside i don't think they would like it if you brought up bushes numbers at thins point in his presidency. By the way Gallup had him at 62% in June 2001.

JPW I know you are speaking to salamandagator, but do you think my thread here is gleeful?

Did you read my opening above???

" There seems to be genuine pleasure derived from it when there should be worry or apprehension."

C'mon a little of the "i told you so" gloating is just natural. It is not necessarily schadenfreude but pride in being right.

Maybe if it weren't some self identified rightwing conservative posting this thread it might have slightly more credibility.

Have you figured out which specie you are ~ yet ~ 8roper?

This is like the 4th or 5th Obama poll thread I have started in about as many weeks.

Bring up the unemployment numbers and wait for the silence. According to them, when Bush was in office the actual numbers were at least twice what was reported. I for one would love to see them own up to that same math with Obama.

"Maybe if it weren't some self identified rightwing conservative posting this thread it might have slightly more credibility."

Funny how that works, "disregard content, look at source."

Quick 8roper, say the sky is blue, then we can see who will argue with you.

Hey, I just took a page out of the Karl Rove book. Pretty annoying isn't it?

"Have you figured out which specie you are ~ yet ~ 8roper?"

Still hoping for a homo erectus?
It does not mean what you think, and i can't speak for 8roper but i don't think he is interested.

here Doc Stupid - from your #3 post

Obama's approval rating was 60% from June 13-15, at which time 88% of Democrats, 60% of independents, and 25% of Republicans approved of the job he was doing. In the June 16-18 polling, Democrats' approval of him stands at 92% -- up slightly -- whereas approval is down among both independents (by seven points) and Republicans (by four points).

Since Obama took office in January, his approval rating in Gallup tracking has averaged 63%, and most of his three-day ratings have registered above 60%. Approval of Obama did fall to 59% in individual readings in February, March, April, and early June; however, in each case, the rating lasted only a day before rebounding to at least 60%.

Obama's approval rating was 60% from June 13-15, at which time 88% of Democrats, 60% of independents, and 25% of Republicans approved of the job he was doing. In the June 16-18 polling, Democrats' approval of him stands at 92% -- up slightly -- whereas approval is down among both independents (by seven points) and Republicans (by four points).

i can't read anything in his except that Obama had been at 60% in the recent past .... - is that all you are trying to say ????
are you saying there is something else in this ???

all you can say about the fact that he has plummeted is WELL HE USED TO BE AT 60%

I stand by my statement.

"Hey, I just took a page out of the Karl Rove book."

Obviously he was the first.

Oh Bani it took me a moment to get your #33.

Yes I am , in reality this time , a colored guy.

not a Jew, not a Mexican.

Thanks for askin.

"Hey JPW you're slow and pathetic .... read the original post, if you bothered to show up on this thread at least read my opening:"

I'm not slow or pathetic. I read it and it seems you are merely paying lip service in your opening post so as not to appear as a complete partisan hack. However, everything else you spout disagrees with your opener.

"the REAL "bottom line" is his approval is down to 57%. The number is the number. Close to only HALF of Americans like this guy as Pres."

Since when does 57 get rounded down to 50? NEVER, however in your little world where you actually want his numbers to fall, it does because it sounds better. If you look back at the month of June from your own link, you see he has oscillated between from 64% at the start to 57% now, having fallen as far as 59% and risen back to 63%. What are you gonna do if the numbers go up again?

"I lost confidence in most of American society after November , so this mass-remorse we are now seeing is obviously welcomed, but GOD DAMMIT its bittersweet ....in that all of those assholes voted for him in the first place!"

Sure this matches your opening statement. His numbers have fallen 7% points in the past month and you're throwing around statements like "circling the drain" and "mass remorse" but yet you don't actually want him to fail. Please. His numbers can't fall fast enough and you do seem to derive some sick pleasure from thinking you're right.

Also, you seem to think a President's poll ratings falling is abnormal. On one of the past threads on this topic I posted a link showing that since 1950, only 2 presidents never dipped beneath 40% approval, and one of them was assassinated before his term was done. By your logic there has been "mass remorse" about every president elected since 1950.

"Still hoping for a homo erectus?"

Homo flaccidis is more like it.

"did you see my retort to your swine flu ignorance in the other link ~ jpw?"

Yes I did.

I wouldn't say you said much exposing my "ignorance," particularly on swine flu.

Really?
Show me where I said that.
[" well Gallup says he is 57 now, but he used to be at 60 before he fell to 57"]
Give the boy a Liar Flag.
#28 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis

here Doc Stupid - from your #3 post...
I stand by my statement.
#38 | Posted by 8roper

Only I neither said nor wrote what you've quoted. Guess who wrote it? The Gallup people. That's right, via your link. I even said at the beginning of the post: "Let's check what Gallup has to say (as opposed to the poster's rant)" [Emphasis added].

Jeezus, you are really one very dumb bastard. The only question I've got is whether you're educable or trainable? Whattaya think, Einstein? Educable? Trainable?

You get to keep your Liar's Flag. LOL.

Doc did you get lost?

I said your attempt to make Obama look good was to say he is 57 now, but he USED TO BE 60. - YES CORRECT, your attempt to say this vis-a-vi throwing my own poll back at me.

You said you did not say that. Well, here's how it owrks , if you cut ands paste a bunch of shit from the poll that merely just keeps saying " oh he used to be at 60%"...that means it is an argument that YOU YOURSELLF< the DR poster, are making.

are you still lost doc?

DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY about obama losing support on a massive scale OTHER THAN Gallup USED TO have him at 60%

????????

duh? hello stupid?

are you going to try and cloud this issue again?

or have i whipped on your ass enough to get rid of you yet?

"It is not necessarily schadenfreude but pride in being right."

I understand the pride thing, but it just seems some are a little quick on the trigger about it.

8roper is taking a single time point from a continuum of data and saying "see, I was right AAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA suckers" when his poll numbers have dropped beneath 60% four times in previous months but always climbed back into the 60s. If in a month his numbers are still below 60 and have further fallen he may have a point. However, as it stands his numbers have barely fallen outside the margin of error for standard polls (and this only represents a single poll) and yet this is supposed to represent some significant buyers remorse.

I stand by my statement.

when his poll numbers have dropped beneath 60% four times in previous months but always climbed back into the 60s.

NO JPW - WRONG

let me easily illustrate how wrong you are.

you see i used ONLY GALLUP this time in this thread - instead of RCP average ,,,,,,becasue I wanted to show the major change in the trend just in GALLUP .... who I made sure to point out is LIB friendly:

Gallup previous and current:
5/10 - 5/12 64% approval
5/30 -6/1 64% approval
6/18 - 6/21 57% approval

now you are fucked by 8roper as well.
go join Doc Sarvis in the dog pound.

NEXT !

"if you cut ands paste a bunch of shit from the poll that merely just keeps saying " oh he used to be at 60%"...that means it is an argument that YOU YOURSELLF< the DR poster, are making."

Really? I'll stand by my description of you in #44 above. To wit, "one very dumb bastard."

"but it just seems some are a little quick on the trigger about it."

Of course, and i think there are some that are hanging on a little to long. But aside from that i do wish that rather then approve or disapprove that it was a little more precise. I doubt that if it was a scale of one to ten that he would get many tens and on the flip side not many ones. Personally i would go to about a 3 but it would be fun to see the actual feelings of the nation.

If his approval is in a fierce flaming nose dive NOW, what will people's approval of Obama be after inflation kicks in, and after tax breaks expire and they start losing 40% of their paycheck?

Will Obama go on Dancing With the Stars to help his popularity?

I wouldn't be surprised.

now you are fucked by 8roper as well.
#48 | Posted by 8roper | Flag: My, What A Wide Stance You Have

Doc I know you like the gay talk but do you care to argue against my facts:

Gallup previous and current:
5/10 - 5/12 .....64% approval
5/30 -6/1 .....64% approval
6/18 - 6/21 .....57% approval

"fortunately for you, I just spewed on jpw and I only have about a 6 roper left for ya."

Alright and on that disturbing note, i think i am done for today.

Doc I know you like the gay talk
#54 | Posted by 8roper

Au contraire, my dear Alfonse. You're the one who's railing on about fucking posters. If you want to talk the talk and walk the walk, that's your business. No matter. You're still one very dumb bastard.

-You're still one very dumb bastard.

VDB Clubs everwhere are threatening a riot at the comparison.

Doc I know you like the gay talk but do you care to argue against my facts:

Gallup previous and current:
5/10 - 5/12 .....64% approval
5/30 -6/1 .....64% approval
6/18 - 6/21 .....57% approval

#54 | Posted by 8roper

You're still one very dumb bastard.

#56 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis

Yep thought so. You will not refute my assertion.
You accept my proposal as factual.
Obama is in an abysmal downward death spiral.
I will now bid you all adieu.

"Yep thought so. You will not refute my assertion."

You mean your cherry picked data points that show that Obama's ratings have barely dropped below the margin of error of the poll?

"I will now bid you all adieu."

Not surprising you'd duck out when you start taking a beating.

OK I am back to school JPW -

CHERRY PICKING?

I posted the last 3 Gallup poll finals

what am i cherry picking?

the Gallup poll, one of the most obama lib friendly, shows a huge jump downward, off the trend.

cherry picking what?

its one major poll, the last 3 results, coverng one month's time.

cherry picking?

do you even know what cherry picking means?

do you even know what cherry picking means?
#60 | Posted by 8roper | Flag: Doesn't Have a Clue

"when his poll numbers have dropped beneath 60% four times in previous months but always climbed back into the 60s."-JPW

NO JPW - WRONG

let me easily illustrate how wrong you are.

you see i used ONLY GALLUP this time in this thread - instead of RCP average ,,,,,,becasue I wanted to show the major change in the trend just in GALLUP .... who I made sure to point out is LIB friendly:

Gallup previous and current:
5/10 - 5/12 64% approval
5/30 -6/1 64% approval
6/18 - 6/21 57% approval"

First of all, this doesn't even address the times Obama has dropped below 60%, so it doesn't even prove me wrong.

Let me show you. Here are all the time Obama dropped below 60% and the peaks in the following upswing:

2/21-23-59%
peaked at 67% 2/24-26

3/28-30 59%
peaked at 63% 4/1-3

3/6-8 59%
peaked at 63% 4/9-11

6/7-9 59%
peaked at 63% 6/10-12

His current slump started from a 63% peak on 6/15-17 and has progessed:

6/16-18 58%
6/17-20 57%

You do know you can put your cursor on the graph and it will show individual points, right?

"I posted the last 3 Gallup poll finals

what am i cherry picking?"

The numbers you want.

"the Gallup poll, one of the most obama lib friendly, shows a huge jump downward, off the trend."

It's seven fucking points. Hardly a "huge jump downward."

"its one major poll, the last 3 results, coverng one month's time."

With numerous data points in between that you're neglecting.

With numerous data points before that you are neglecting.

"cherry picking?

do you even know what cherry picking means?"

Yes. Evidently you don't.

In the June 16-18 polling, Democrats' approval of him stands at 92% -- up slightly

What does the trend say? That's what's important. Is there anything on the horizon that will turn his numbers around? Bush at least was hanging on to good news out of Iraq or the economy. Little chance of that.

I guess I'm just one of the 43 percenters. But the tent is getting bigger.

"What does the trend say? That's what's important."

There doesn't appear to be enough data yet to determine whether this is a change in the long term trend.

I guess I'm just one of the 43 percenters. But the tent is getting bigger.
#64 | Posted by rightisright

According to the article, you can make that 35%,not 43%. Still a small tent, plenty of elbow room. Easy to spot, too. Out there, in the tall grass, over at the fringe of the encampment.

A couple of months ago we were called the 18 percenters. Then we were the party of "no!". Now it would seem as if being part of the dissent suddenly isn't quite the minority it once was.

Not that it ever mattered much. Obama is wrong on virtually everything, and should be opposed on principle. Eventually, Americans get it right.

Interesting how the Nopers assume if people disapprove they are for them.

I guess they still have that dirty thinking of either your for or against mentality.

"Not that it ever mattered much. Obama is wrong on virtually everything, and should be opposed on principle."

In your point of view. To many (57%) he's doing just fine.

If you think you've got all the answers, why don't you run for office?

"Eventually, Americans get it right."

Yeah, after seven years of Bush they finally saw him for the dipshit he is.

yup, circling the drain:

Interesting how the Nopers assume if people disapprove they are for them.
I guess they still have that dirty thinking of either your for or against mentality.
#67 | Posted by roman

All it requires is a lack of vision and a dearth of ideas.

I guess I'm a noper. But not you! You're the party of YES!!! Need a bailout? YES! Ran your company into the ground, and you need a few billion to keep the doors open? YES! Close Gitmo? YES! Keep Gitmo open? YES! Want to reduce deficits? YES! Register record deficits? YES! YES!

We're the party of ideas! Whatever your idea is, the answer is YES YES YES YES YES YES!!!!!!!!!!!! WHAT'S YOUR VISION? HERE'S OUR ANSWER!!! YES!

You're funny Doc. So is Crassus/Moneywar/Roman. MoneycrassmanSarvis--peas in a pod.

Like I said, lack of vision, dearth of ideas.

If vision is approving of the corrupt Bush/Obama bailouts, bailing out companies that end up failing anyway, more bonuses for Goldman Sachs, and refusing to hold your president accountable because he has your favored letter after his name, then I don't want to to have vision.

My vision is fine. It's especially acute when it comes to big-ticket items, and their price tags. I wonder--how big would your vision be, if you had to live within your means? You know, "pay-as-you-go"? Remember that? It was real big back in 2006, when the Dumbos were pretending to be the party of fiscal discipline. Now, THE PARTY OF VISION! IDEAS!

Funny. How many languages ya speak, Doc? Or are you one of those "Ugly Americans"--who goes overseas, and expects everyone else to speakie English?

57% is "circling the drain"? Four percent more than Obama's 52.9% of the 2008 popular vote? Yeah, I'll be he's really shitting himself over this one. Gawd, you folks really are a caution.

#2 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis

NAW...its not doing that but it IS moving downward now isnt it..l..

and it wasnt going to stay that high even WITH the state run media kissing his black ass every night either but it happens

HELL I even heard of some punk who didnt like what I had to say once

NO really....

SPEAKING OF POLL RATINGS

NEVADA..

harry ried holding at 34% which is lower than

ENSIGNS...

are we looking at another 'daschle' here??

damn it to hell.....I hope so

SPEAKING OF POLLS

HERE.

NoW....

how many pOleS yew thiNk it.d take too scREW...HUBBA HBBA 0 0correction: HUBBA - lite bulB?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. that wun practokily knocKEd me OUT
~Aflahubblebubble

Well well, it seems with the newest data, the number has rebounded back to 60%.

The title should be changed to "Obama approval rating skyrocketing" and it's clear from the new data that even those who DIDN'T vote for Obama in November are clearly coming around to seeing that he is correct about everything. I knew that would happen!

Right 8roper?

Or will you stay quiet until the next time his approval ratings take a dip and then come out with your stunning intellectual assessments on the electorate's "buyers remorse?"

Oops, his popularity at Gallup has him up to 60% again, and ABC/WaPo just did their poll and he's at 65%

"65 percent of Americans in this new ABC News/Washington Post poll approve of Obama's job performance."

"Circling the drain"

That is just Obama cleaning the toilet after Bush got done taking an 8 year shit on America.