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Monday, June 22, 2009

Extemely graphic footage of a young Iranian woman dying on the street in Tehran has rallied anti-government protesters inside Iran and around the world. The woman, identified in some press reports as Neda Soltani, was shot after attending a protest Saturday and died minutes later.

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#1 | Posted by Diablo at 2009-06-22 12:23 AM | Reply | Flag: Fucking Idiot

#1 | Posted by Diablo

Pay heed to Wormer's First Law:
Fat, dumb, and stupid is no way to go through life, son.

For what purpose would diablo post such a thing at such a tragic story as this thread.

I just don't see why RCADE doesn't bannish these kind of people and posters.

It removes any sort of reading of the thread.

You are sick....

Here is the video of her dying on camera that is going around in Iran and making people angry.

Have you seen the life go out of anyone's eyes, you son of a bitch? She looks at you for a second before going away.

www.youtube.com

I really don't get why everyone HAS TO be funny all the time.

Uh oh, Tosser's transitioning into his Dirty Harry mode.

Show some respect, please, I meant.

Uh oh, Tosser's transitioning into his Dirty Harry mode.

Nope. I'm outa here.

Gotta get down to it
Soldiers are cutting us down
Should have been done long ago.
What if you knew her
And found her dead on the ground
How can you run when you know?

- Neil Young

www.boingboing.net

"At 19:05 June 20th Place: Karekar Ave., at the corner crossing Khosravi St. and Salehi st. A young woman who was standing aside with her father watching the protests was shot by a basij member hiding on the rooftop of a civilian house. He had clear shot at the girl and could not miss her. However, he aimed straight her heart.

I am a doctor, so I rushed to try to save her. But the impact of the gunshot was so fierce that the bullet had blasted inside the victim's chest, and she died in less than 2 minutes. The protests were going on about 1 kilometers away in the main street and some of the protesting crowd were running from tear gass used among them, towards Salehi St.

The film is shot by my friend who was standing beside me. Please let the world know."

Bye.

Is anyone really surprised?

A Child of the Revolution Takes Over By Matthias Kntzel

"During the Iran-Iraq War, the Ayatollah Khomeini imported 500,000 small plastic keys from Taiwan. The trinkets were meant to be inspirational. After Iraq invaded in September 1980, it had quickly become clear that Iran's forces were no match for Saddam Hussein's professional, well-armed military. To compensate for their disadvantage, Khomeini sent Iranian children, some as young as twelve years old, to the front lines. There, they marched in formation across minefields toward the enemy, clearing a path with their bodies. Before every mission, one of the Taiwanese keys would be hung around each child's neck. It was supposed to open the gates to paradise for them.


"At one point, however, the earthly gore became a matter of concern. "In the past," wrote the semi-official Iranian daily Ettelaat as the war raged on, "we had child-volunteers: 14-, 15-, and 16-year-olds. They went into the minefields. Their eyes saw nothing. Their ears heard nothing. And then, a few moments later, one saw clouds of dust. When the dust had settled again, there was nothing more to be seen of them. Somewhere, widely scattered in the landscape, there lay scraps of burnt flesh and pieces of bone." Such scenes would henceforth be avoided, Ettelaat assured its readers. "Before entering the minefields, the children [now] wrap themselves in blankets and they roll on the ground, so that their body parts stay together after the explosion of the mines and one can carry them to the graves."

"These children who rolled to their deaths were part of the Basiji, a mass movement created by Khomeini in 1979 and militarized after the war started in order to supplement his beleaguered army.The Basij Mostazafan or "mobilization of the oppressed" was essentially a volunteer militia, most of whose members were not yet 18. They went enthusiastically, and by the thousands, to their own destruction. "The young men cleared the mines with their own bodies," one veteran of the Iran-Iraq War recalled in 2002 to the German newspaper Frankfurter Allgemeine. "It was sometimes like a race. Even without the commander's orders, everyone wanted to be first."

"The sacrifice of the Basiji was ghastly. And yet, today, it is a source not of national shame, but of growing pride. Since the end of hostilities against Iraq in 1988, the Basiji have grown both in numbers and influence. They have been deployed, above all, as a vice squad to enforce religious law in Iran, and their elite "special units" have been used as shock troops against anti-government forces. In both 1999 and 2003, for instance, the Basiji were used to suppress student unrest. And, last year, they formed the potent core of the political base that propelled Mahmoud Ahmadinejada man who reportedly served as a Basij instructor during the Iran-Iraq Warto the presidency."

"Ahmadinejad revels in his alliance with the Basiji. He regularly appears in public wearing a black-and-white Basij scarf, and, in his speeches, he routinely praises "Basij culture" and "Basij power," with which he says "Iran today makes its presence felt on the international and diplomatic stage."

For anyone who hasn't seen these videos, they're pretty graphic and haunting stuff.

I just don't see why RCADE doesn't bannish these kind of people and posters.

I can't moderate for stupidity. Some people can't resist the urge to yank chains all the time.

"Show some respect motherfucker."

This coming from the guy who jokes about 9/11. There are people who post here who saw that firsthand and you don't care. You have no right to act sanctimonious now. Take your mealy-mouthed pleas for "respect" and shove them up your arse.

As for Iran, unless they are going to do away with the ruling council, I don't really see the point in people losing their lives in these protests. They election they are protesting was for a relitively meaningless position.

I don't get it. Democrats are outraged some woman in Iran dies from government prosecution, and that goes on in many countries every day, but on the other side of the coin think 9/11 as an inside job by the gov of the USA.

I love democrats.

Kuma

Tosser..
Are you saying the people that died during 9-11
Had it coming to them?
That is the most offensive thing ever posted on this site.

That's true. While I would be unable to make snide jokes after having seen that video, I certainly don't need to see this hypocritical b.s. from Tosser - who incessantly joked in the crudest manner while the Bombay attack was going on, and who continues to joke about 9/11.
If the only people's deaths you care enough about to not joke are Muslims, then you're the joke.

If the only people's deaths you care enough about to not joke are Muslims,

There is some truth to that, I admit.

Iranians, as a people, have held on to far more of their dignity than Americans.

Nobody thinks bad of Iran except Israel and USA. You are the problem, not them.

Tosser is just confused. He understands NOT that the Muslim fools who flew planes into the WTC are the same ilk that are killing people in the streets of Iran. He LIKES radical Islam unless it's killing HIS ilk. Didn't you notice how he liked the Taliban...until they started fucking with Pakistan?

"Nobody thinks bad of Iran except Israel and USA. You are the problem, not them."

NOBODY else?...LOL

"9-11 wasn't about a brave people fighting for freedom."

Neither are the protests in Iran. They aren't fighting. They are jumping up and down and screaming about an election for a position whose power can be overridden by unelected religious wackos at any moment.

When this woman was shot, did anyone shoot back (or throw a rock)? So where's the "fight"? Maybe someone will blow up a cafe full of innocent people over it but there certainly won't be anyone fighting back against the SOBs who shot this woman. Muslims don't fight. They murder.

"9-11 was about you finally getting what you had coming to you."

A bunch of innocent people got killed for showing up to work in the morning. It was a senseless act of murder coming from an impotent culture that produces nothing but cowards who can only pick on the defenseless.

"This isn't about me. It's about the girl in the video.

Why are you trying to compare that with 9-11?"

I'm comparing your lack of compassion over 9/11 to your anger over other people's lack of compassion over this video and calling you a hypocrite. You really needed that explained AGAIN? Third world education, I guess........

Didn't you notice how he liked the Taliban...until they started fucking with Pakistan?

I'm the one who told you that in the first place. LOL

Unless it touches close to me, I'm not interested. We are like that, a bit.

cowards who can only pick on the defenseless.

Like you keep bombing Afghan weddings and birthdays from 10,000 feet?

I'm comparing your lack of compassion over 9/11 to your anger over other people's lack of compassion over this video and calling you a hypocrite.

So what if I am hypocrite? That makes me an honrary American.

"Nobody thinks bad of Iran except Israel and USA."

Yeah, that's why its such a vacation hotspot.

"Come for the pristine sand, stay to watch people beaten in the streets for being late for compulsory worship!"

LOL.. You're proof Allah has a sense of humor.

Hmmm, I should be banned for saying video of guys hounding girls into abortions will never be seen?
It's the truth. What is so "hostile" about that? How is that pulling someone's chain?
Far too sensitive around here!
In the meantime, I have doubts about any "martyr" tapes produced during times of unrest in Iran. Try not to be manipulated.

Indeed, his ability to compartmentalize Islamist hate to allow him to take pride in it even while it turns on him and his own people is mind-boggling.

Tosser, that widespread sentiment among the Muslim world that only Muslim lives are worth crying over is heartless.

By heartless, I mean lacking in humanity.

"Like you keep bombing Afghan weddings and birthdays from 10,000 feet?"

If the enemy would stop hiding behind civilians, our military would love to fight them head on. Muslim "fighters" choose to hide behind women and children whenever possible and these bombings are the result. They go out of their way to look like and hide among civilians after fucking with us so many civilians die. We are only reacting to their stab in the back and run away to hide behind women and children tactics.

Anyways, about the actual video - the cries of the father as he realizes his daughter is about to die, and of the unseen woman as blood starts pouring out of Neda's mouth are heartbreaking.

If it makes you happy, I will cry over any Chinese or Korean lives lost as well. And we did cry.... doing what we could to help them out when they needed it (Chinese earthquake, for example).

Last time I checked, they were not Muslims.

So we are not heartless.

If the enemy would stop hiding behind civilians

American lies and propaganda.

hide behind women and children

American lies and propaganda.

hide among civilians after fucking with us

American lies and propaganda.

Seem to recall there were quite a few Moslems killed on 9/11.

Oh Tosser, where is your outrage for those precious lost lives??

Say it a few more times and maybe that will make it true, eh?

Faux-Muslim cowardice is well-documented.

"If the enemy would stop hiding behind civilians, our military would love to fight them head on"

That's bullshit. Death from above is the American way of war, and is used regardless of the tactics of the enemy.

Say it a few more times and maybe that will make it true, eh?

Your new General in Afghanistan, admitted many mistakes were made that targeted civilians and he promised not to be naughty again.

BBC. Go look it up.

Oh Tosser, where is your outrage for those precious lost lives??

I said a prayer for them...

Death from above is the American way of war, and is used regardless of the tactics of the enemy.

Not just American. The nature of war is to maximize enemy causalities while keeping your side as safe as possible.

"Not just American."

True, but most 3rd world countries don't have fleets of bombers and cruise missiles. Hiding among civilians is hardly more cowardly than killing by pushing buttons launching missiles.

"I said a prayer for them..."

Lucky them.

news.bbc.co.uk

"American personnel made significant errors in carrying out some of the air strikes in western Afghanistan on May 4 that killed dozens of Afghan civilians," a New York Times report said, citing an unnamed senior US military official.
................

A US military inquiry has uncovered serious mistakes made when US forces bombed suspected Taliban positions in Afghanistan in May, US officials say.

Dozens of civilians were killed in the air strikes in western Farah province.

"Death from above is the American way of war, and is used regardless of the tactics of the enemy."

We wouldn't be bombing weddings if their fighters didn't hide among and dress like civilians. They love to target civilians. We only target military if we can help it. Big difference regardless of your efforts to pretend otherwise.

"Hiding among civilians is hardly more cowardly than killing by pushing buttons launching missiles."

Sure it is. They picked a fight and then hid behind women and children when the fight came to them. They're cowards. If they weren't willing to suffer the consequences of their actions, they shouldn't have started a war with us. Starting the war and then hiding behind others is cowardly.

"Your new General in Afghanistan, admitted many mistakes were made that targeted civilians and he promised not to be naughty again."

You don't even know what your own posts mean.

He said mistakes - as in the intention was not to bomb civilians. In fact, the criticism that he's making is that too little care was taken to avoid civlian deaths.

That's a far cry from targetting civilians.

Dummy.

They're cowards.

Well, the cowards seem to be winning.

The UN said, they now control over 75% of Afghanistan (from 50% two years ago) and they just attacked the largest US base in the whole region and killed two.

Damn cowards!

You don't even know what your own posts mean.

Take it up with the BBC. I only copy/pasted.

"True, but most 3rd world countries don't have fleets of bombers and cruise missiles."

Gee, that's just terrible. Next war we'll share some of our planes, missiles, tanks etc. to make it more "fair." You feel better now?

"We wouldn't be bombing weddings if their fighters didn't hide among and dress like civilians."

So that justifies bombing weddings? I realize it's highly unprincipled of them not to gather in the open where we can just mow them down, but we tried that "destroying the village to save it" strategy in Vietnam. It wasn't very successful, not to mention, cowardly.

#50 | Posted by jestgettinalong

Don't be stupid, if that's possible for you.

"Hiding among civilians is hardly more cowardly than killing by pushing buttons launching missiles."

The people pushing those buttons wear uniforms and live on military installations. Everyone knows who they are and what they do. If someone wanted to kill them for pushing those buttons, they are easily found and identified. They hide behind nobody. They wear targets on their back all the time.

So how are they just as cowardly as guys who claim to be holy warriors but who spend most their time hiding behind women and children in between sending others to die attacking soft targets?

"So that justifies bombing weddings?"

What justifies "bombing weddings" is this:

They repeatedly attacked us for years and years and we ignored them. Then 9/11 happened and we could no longer ignore them. Our choice is to let them kill us or to kill them. And since they hide behind their wives and kids, we can't kill them without killing their wives and kids. Its either us or them so we pick them.

Our choice is to bomb them where we think they are, which is going to lead to mistakes created by their cowardly tactics, or to let them kill us. War is hell.

How do you not know this?

What is so "hostile" about that? How is that pulling someone's chain?

You were just trying to derail the discussion. This has absolutely bupkiss to do with abortion.

"The people pushing those buttons wear uniforms and live on military installations"

So what? A uniform makes everything ok?

"They hide behind nobody. "

Yeah, sitting on ships at sea, launching cruise missiles, they're really putting their asses on their line.

The UN said, they now control over 75% of Afghanistan (from 50% two years ago) and they just attacked the largest US base in the whole region and killed two.

The reason we attacked the Taliban when they ruled Afghanistan was because they provided safe haven to the terrorists who committed the 9/11 attacks. There's no country on Earth that would not have responded to such an attack by going after the state supporters of the attackers.

If you lament the civilian deaths in Afghanistan, you should recognize that the cause was the Taliban's support for Al Qaeda.

"Our choice is to bomb them where we think they are, which is going to lead to mistakes created by their cowardly tactics, or to let them kill us. War is hell."

Oh horseshit. The Taliban is no threat to us. If Afghanistan wants to be a theocracy, it's none of our business. If Al Qaeda sets up camp again, the military can handle that.

"So what? A uniform makes everything ok?"

It means they are differentiating themselves from civilians in order to avoid confusion as opposed to hiding behing their mothers. Are you really this dense?

"Yeah, sitting on ships at sea, launching cruise missiles, they're really putting their asses on their line."

You're calling sailors cowardly because the enemy that chose to fight us isn't equipped to reach them. If the enemy had battleships our sailors would still be out on their ships rather than hiding behind women and kids. To pretend otherwise is an exercise in willful stupidity.

There is a clear difference between our military and cowards who hide behind civilians no matter how dense you choose to be about it.

"f you lament the civilian deaths in Afghanistan, you should recognize that the cause was the Taliban's support for Al Qaeda."

Is there a statue of limitations when 9/11 ceases being a "get out of jail free" card for military adventures in that country or any other?

if you lament the civilian deaths in Afghanistan

I don't lament it. Afghanistan has always been the little mutt that tried to bite Pakistan's ankle.

I was only making a point about "cowardice" and pretending "they hide behind women and kiddies".

You want to flatten Afghanistan?

Do it already! LOL

"Oh horseshit. The Taliban is no threat to us."

How stupid are you? Do you think 9/11 could have happened without the Taliban's support? Do you think the Taliban didn't know that Al Queda has repeatedly used their country as a based from which to attack us? Do you think the attacks would have stopped if we hadn't gone in there? The two groups were sister organizations with troops fighting the Northern Alliance side by side in the same trenches well before we got involved. Al Queda was the Taliban's foreign legion in many ways.

Thank God most of us have more sense than you or we'd be too stupid to live. We'd be sitting around getting attacked over and over by "non-threats"....... Sheesh......

"It means they are differentiating themselves from civilians in order to avoid confusion as opposed to hiding behing their mothers. Are you really this dense?

Ok, so they put on a uniform, then launch a cruise missile. So what? They are still killing from a safe, secure location. The Vietnamese did the same thing as the Afghanis, which is why we had to destroy villages to save them. And people like you made the same arguments, and apparently learned nothing.

"How stupid are you? Do you think 9/11 could have happened without the Taliban's support?"

How stupid are you? They are no threat to us today. It's no longer 2001 you know. Check your calendar.

Is there a statue of limitations when 9/11 ceases being a "get out of jail free" card for military adventures in that country or any other?

I'd love to see our military pack up and go home. But because we began the adventure in Iraq, we didn't get the job done in Afghanistan. If the country is so weak that the Taliban could sweep back into power the minute we left, what was the point of the war?

"Ok, so they put on a uniform, then launch a cruise missile. So what? They are still killing from a safe, secure location."

I told you already: If the enemy could reach them, they would still be there. They would not resort to blending in with women and children. That's the very clear difference no matter how dense you pretend to be on this point.

"The Vietnamese did the same thing as the Afghanis, which is why we had to destroy villages to save them. And people like you made the same arguments, and apparently learned nothing."

Part nonsense, part strawman. The Vietnamese never attacked us. Show me where I said anything about blowing something up to save it - or saving people in Afghanistan in general. My arguement has always been its all about protecting us first. You're so desperate to be right that you're trying to shoehorn in this Vietnam angle in and then assigning me the same position as people who thought Vietnam was a good idea. Sorry, ain't working. You work on Plan C and I'll be around later.

"They are no threat to us today. It's no longer 2001 you know. Check your calendar."

I actually agree with leaving because the mission was botched so badly with this nation building crap and the Iraq detour (which is unjustifiable). But to say that if you put the same people in charge of the same country they wouldn't be a threat again is just stupid. They've already proven that if you leave them in charge of the country they are a threat. I'm all for letting them come out of their rat's nest so we can make another run at them but pretending that they won't attack us again given the chance is just idiotic.

But to say that if you put the same people in charge of the same country

Why not put me in charge? Since I am from the Durrani clan, I am.. technically.. around ten thousandth in line to the Afghan throne (if it were still a monarchy under Zahir Shah).

That's the very clear difference no matter how dense you pretend to be on this point.

He's not pretending.

I will flatten Afghanistan, with prejudice, and do what you couldn't do in 8 years.

All you do is run around in circles. I don't run around in circles.

The finest man for the Afghan throne (bring the monarchy back) is me!

Anyway... whatever the reasons for going into Afghanistan and whatever the reasons for staying there... none matter.

Afghanistan is in a death-spiral and nobody can pull it up.

That's what you get for bringing in one of the world's biggest drug-lords to be president.

If this drama lasts longer than 2, 3, years, I will be a bit surprised.

As for the poor Iranian girl in the video, her sacrifice won't change much in today's Iran. Just not enough momentum, I can feel.

We had similar protests in the 70s over Bhutto's fraud victory (Benazir's father).

There was this 12 year old kid who walked up to one of Bhutto's security guys and said, "let everyone see who you are loyal to... the people of Pakistan, or this Bhutto crook. Shoot my hand if you dare!"

And he held up his hand, palm forward.

The security guy shot him through the hand.

And THAT was the start of Bhutto going to jail for fraud and getting executed.

His goon should not have shot that kid in his hand.

This was the 70s.... way before YouTube and internet and mobile phone cameras.

That kid changed our history. Perhaps this girl.... but I doubt it.

I think Sully has pretty accurately summed up the situation. Nothing personal, but in the context of this thread, it is Tosser and Nullifidian who are the ankle biters.

I also would not discount out of hand the potential impact of a video seen worldwide of a young Iranian girl being martyred in such a horrid unnecessary manner. I'm not claiming that this will lead to the overthrow of the current regime. But it will leave scars in the Iranian political psyche which will be remembered for the next fifty years.

it is Tosser

With you it is always "it is Tosser".

But it will leave scars in the Iranian political psyche which will be remembered for the next fifty years.

True. But also don't underestimate the mullah brain-wash power.

Iran has already made maximum internet speed to be around 128k (I use 2mb) per user. It is not beyond them to ban YouTube totally, like they do in China.

To watch streaming video without it conking out every few seconds, you should have around 500kb.

the mullah brain-wash power

I remember hearing around when Bush came up with his "Axis of Evil" that Iran was not a pressing problem because the youth did not support the Mullahs and that Iran was 7 years from revolt. This was about 6 years ago, is it true?

Iran was not a pressing problem because the youth did not support the Mullahs and that Iran was 7 years from revolt.

Don't know.

What I do know is, a guy went from here to Iran to do a deal with a company that makes aluminum molds for lining car roofs.

His Iranian business partner took him on a tour of Tehran. Passing near Khomeni's tomb, Iranian partner said something in Persian that meant "fucking bastard who ruined our country."

This was around 4 years ago.

really don't get why everyone HAS TO be funny all the time.

#5 | Posted by Tosser

Tosser, the ONLY reason you're upset is because it wasn't an American. YOu would have been the first to make a wise ass remark if it had been an American.

Yeah, sitting on ships at sea, launching cruise missiles, they're really putting their asses on their line.

#56 | Posted by nullifidian

There ya go, Nully. Way to show respect for the people who make it to where you can enjoy your life here in this country. Idiot.

That's bullshit. Death from above is the American way of war, and is used regardless of the tactics of the enemy.
---
Yeah, sitting on ships at sea, launching cruise missiles, they're really putting their asses on their line.

Posted by nullifidian

I'm constantly amazed at the inversion and perversion of "morals" that is inherent to the military mindset.

If our "enemies" do anything other than line up in an open field to be blown to smithereens, they're being "Cowardly".

Maybe it's more fun for our Nintendo pilots to blow up structures and other enclosed areas, though.

Toughguy mentality: cluster bombs and cruise missiles, all launched from thousands of feet in the air or miles away at shore.

9/11 was horrible, yes. What we felt that day was a taste of the punishment we dole out on a regular basis (albeit in smaller doses) to the rest of the world.

Anyway, back on topic. That video was awful; I can't see how anyone could try to make any kind of joke about it. Watching the bad guys get shot up on "24" is OMG LIEK TOTALLY AWESOME~~!!1!, I know, but to be so callous when it's the very graphic, very REAL thing on video right there is heartless.

This pitiful, hateful,twisted,bitter piece of debris that hates AMERICA and CHRISTIANS so much should be banned from the Retort.

"This pitiful, hateful,twisted,bitter piece of debris that hates AMERICA and CHRISTIANS so much should be banned from the Retort."

Who are you talking about, rtard?

"What we felt that day was a taste of the punishment we dole out on a regular basis (albeit in smaller doses) to the rest of the world."

Using the Ward Churchill "chickens coming to roost" arguement, you could probably justify murdering 99% of the human beings on the planet just based on something their nation of birth did to harm others at some point. It passes as being "deep" in circles where being self-critical is automatically considered "deep" but its really just hypocritical nonsense (nobody who spews this crap would justify their own murder based solely on their nationality)

The people who planned 9/11 were relatively wealthy (or stinking rich in at least one case) and were never harmed by the US in any way whatsoever. In fact, they attacked us many times over the course of years and we pretty much indulged them. And going back further, we helped them hold off the Russians until the USSR collapsed. The whole idea that these people had some kind of legitimate gripe against Americans really doesn't stand up.

"The people who planned 9/11 were relatively wealthy (or stinking rich in at least one case) and were never harmed by the US in any way whatsoever. In fact, they attacked us many times over the course of years and we pretty much indulged them."

you are not referring to Lucky Silverstein are you? He didn't get rich off his borrowed $130 million for the WTC until he won his suit to the toon of $4.3 billion...

Tosser, you are just a joke on here, right? I mean you can't really mean what you type.

Rallying cry? Bullshit! The reality is that the Iranian government has all the guns and he who has the most guns wins. The protestors will eventually be crushed with many killing and imprisonments to come. Obama is such a chickenshit coward that he will do nothing including standing up with supportive statements for the protestors. Heck, he won't even take a strong stance against the ever threatening North Koreans.

The lesson for America. Stop all the gun control crap libs.

"What is so "hostile" about that? How is that pulling someone's chain?" (my post)
"You were just trying to derail the discussion. This has absolutely bupkiss to do with abortion." (rcade's response)

Gotcha, rcade! If the thread goes elsewhere than what you desire, it is "hostile." If it is "derailed," whatever that means, it is "hostile."
A true "liberal" you are. If you do not control the topic, you think the 1st Amendment has been violated!

"What is so "hostile" about that? How is that pulling someone's chain?" (my post)
"You were just trying to derail the discussion. This has absolutely bupkiss to do with abortion." (rcade's response)

Gotcha, rcade! If the thread goes elsewhere than what you desire, it is "hostile." If it is "derailed," whatever that means, it is "hostile."
A true "liberal" you are. If you do not control the topic, you think the 1st Amendment has been violated!

"What is so "hostile" about that? How is that pulling someone's chain?" (my post)
"You were just trying to derail the discussion. This has absolutely bupkiss to do with abortion." (rcade's response)

Gotcha, rcade! If the thread goes elsewhere than what you desire, it is "hostile." If it is "derailed," whatever that means, it is "hostile."
A true "liberal" you are. If you do not control the topic, you think the 1st Amendment has been violated!

"What is so "hostile" about that? How is that pulling someone's chain?" (my post)
"You were just trying to derail the discussion. This has absolutely bupkiss to do with abortion." (rcade's response)

Gotcha, rcade! If the thread goes elsewhere than what you desire, it is "hostile." If it is "derailed," whatever that means, it is "hostile."
A true "liberal" you are. If you do not control the topic, you think the 1st Amendment has been violated!

"What is so "hostile" about that? How is that pulling someone's chain?" (my post)
"You were just trying to derail the discussion. This has absolutely bupkiss to do with abortion." (rcade's response)

Gotcha, rcade! If the thread goes elsewhere than what you desire, it is "hostile." If it is "derailed," whatever that means, it is "hostile."
A true "liberal" you are. If you do not control the topic, you think the 1st Amendment has been violated!

Sorry for multiple posts. Obviously clicking more than once on "post" is more than this website can handle, being it jams so long one is tempted to click again.
So what is so "hostile" about disagreeing with rcade?.......

How stupid are you? They are no threat to us today. It's no longer 2001 you know. Check your calendar.

#63 | Posted by nullifidian at 2009-06-22 12:48 PM

hold on. how stupid are you? did you feel safe Sept 10, 2001? there was a threat... you just weren't aware of it. maybe there is a threat now you don't know about -- i bet Tosser is the ringleader. i get what you're trying to say, relegated to the caves and all. but, are you really this dense? hell, they weren't a threat on 9/12/01 anymore. they were all nailing Tosser's virgins.

It's a shame Tosser got this threat thrown off track. i saw this video today. i cried my eyes out as i watched her lifeless eyes and the blood run from her mouth. and i don't give a damn if she's Muslim, Jewish, Christian or Druze. i cursed everything wretched in this world. this was a senseless act of murder by a government that does not care for its people.

Amen UTASTAFF. this wouldn't happen if the Iranians could possibly shoot back.

#79 | Posted by Zarathustra at 2009-06-22 02:49 PM

i understand your frustration. not everyone can comprehend military strategy and tactics. so, you might read up a little so as to fill that gap in knowledge. most of what people (civilians) think about the military is shaded by movies and politics. unfortunately, most of what they believe is wrong.

for instance, this crap i keep reading about Americans burning villages in Vietnam to save them. actually, it was the North Vietnamese and Viet Cong destroying villages and murdering those who would not submit. they stole their crops to support their army. they kidnapped their kids and forced them into service. but again. buy the BS line. don't read up. don't try and understand. be a tool.

war is a beastly, horrible act against all mankind. regardless, i believe it is absolutely necessary at times.

#92 | Posted by edb at 2009-06-23 04:27 AM

er, "thread" not threat...gotta catch that before any of my arguements are debunked purely over a misspelled word.

He lectured, "The universal rights to assembly and free speech must be respected and the United States stands with all who seek to exercise those rights." He then took his daughters off to get some ice cream.

American Spectator: Passive Unaggressive 2009-06-22

Tosser's virgins.

*My* virgins??? LOL

It's a shame Tosser got this threat thrown off track.

No, a man-child called "sully" got it off-track by his usual crying over 9-11.

As if this had anything to do with 9-11....

i cried my eyes out

She's a hero.

How stupid are you? They are no threat to us today. It's no longer 2001 you know. Check your calendar.

#63 | Posted by nullifidian

We are dealing with stateless terrorists.

Sorry, but 9-11 was real.

It happened.

It can happen again - and then some.

This isn't necessarily directed at you, Null...

Why is it that stateless entities, like Al Queda, get more support from the left than outwardly hostile countries like N. Korea.

Waging war with a shadowy, state-less entity results in a higher percentage of innocents detained and even more collateral damage. Yet, most lefties lambaste the US for its defensive tactics when it comes to realistically dealing with these assholes.

How many more 9-11's do we have to suffer before the left is willing to discuss tactics in a pragmatic manner?

This is eerily simerlary to what Israel deals with - Hamas employs human shields to the nth degree when they attack; and when Israel responds the left is all up-in-arms over the innocents' loss-of-life.

Despite the brutality in the streets of Iran, the president's invitation to Iranian diplomats to attend 4th of July celebrations at American embassies around the world is still on.

AFP reports:

The United States said Monday its invitations were still standing for Iranian diplomats to attend July 4 celebrations at US embassies despite the crackdown on opposition supporters.President Barack Obama's administration said earlier this month it would invite Iran to US embassy barbecues for the national holiday for the first time since the two nations severed relations following the 1979 Islamic revolution.

"There's no thought to rescinding the invitations to Iranian diplomats," State Department spokesman Ian Kelly told reporters.

"We have made a strategic decision to engage on a number of fronts with Iran," Kelly said. "We tried many years of isolation, and we're pursuing a different path now."

But he said it was not clear if Iranian diplomats had accepted the invitations.

The State Department has said that the invitations are largely a symbolic gesture of goodwill and that the July 4 barbecues were not intended to take up substantive policy matters.

The fact that even the State Department admits this idiotic, futile, and naive gesture is a failure is telling. There was never any chance any Iranian leader would have allowed any of their diplomats to make direct contact with Americans in any setting - social or not.

But now Obama is stuck because withdrawing the invitation - even as a result of the thuggishness in the street - would be a serious diplomatic matter not to mention an insult to the Iranians whose cultural sensitivities would be offended by any rescinded invitation. What started as a PR gesture largely for American consumption has now blown up into a major diplomatic demarche.

Not even the Keystone Kops were this dumb.

After seeing the video of the woman dying in the street Obama still says that the people of Iran will decide their fate.

I guess he figures that the election was not rigged after all....

The Supreme leader in Iran stated that the election was fair....

The Crack must be good at the white house...

-OR-
Obama is recognizing the fact that we have no control or influence over Iran and would resent Iran poking their heads in our elections. Amazing how we demand behavior by our government against other governments we would never support them doing against us.

OR

We are meddling...... and Obama doesn't want to appear to be meddling....

The protests also have the hallmarks of the CIA orchestrated protests in Georgia and Ukraine.
It requires total blindness not to see this.

Are the Iranian Election Protests Another US Orchestrated 'Color Revolution'?
www.opednews.com

Can I change my answer to #99?

The protests also have the hallmarks of the CIA orchestrated protests in Georgia and Ukraine.
It requires total blindness not to see this.


But I thought you said that OBAMA didn't want to interfere in the elections.... How could the CIA be involved in IRAN if their BOSS states that we are not going to get involved?

Are you saying that the CIA is out of control and the president has no idea what the hell is going on?

No, she said he didn't want to "APPEAR" to be, not that he didn't want to be. And when has the CIA ever answered to a President, any President?

To #102,
I would say the CIA has always been out of control and no President has ever really had any idea what the Hell was going on. That is not a partisan statement at all because I feel Reagan was kept in as much of the dark as Clinton was. Bush 41 was probably the only President to have a good relationship with the CIA IMHO.

"The protests also have the hallmarks of the CIA orchestrated protests in Georgia and Ukraine.
It requires total blindness not to see this."

I doubt that we have enough Arabic speakers who could be cleared to work with the CIA to pull something like that off.

Regardless, Obama sticking his nose into the Iran situation would be the worst thing he could possibly do. A verbal attack from the US is just about the only way to give credibility back to the ruling council. So naturally, the GOP is all over him to do the stupidest thing he can possibly do because acting like total morons is pretty much their Mideast policy......

Obama can legitimately be skewered on any number of subjects but this ain't one of them.

Obama is recognizing the fact that we have no control or influence over Iran and would resent Iran poking their heads in our elections. Amazing how we demand behavior by our government against other governments we would never support them doing against us.

#98 | Posted by kanrei at 2009-06-23 01:11 PM | Reply | Flag:

OR

We are meddling...... and Obama doesn't want to appear to be meddling....

The protests also have the hallmarks of the CIA orchestrated protests in Georgia and Ukraine.
It requires total blindness not to see this.

Are the Iranian Election Protests Another US Orchestrated 'Color Revolution'?
www.opednews.com

#99 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2009-06-23 01:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

Can I change my answer to #99?

#100 | Posted by kanrei

ff #100

Tosser,

I guess if your Islamic, human life means nothing to you. 9/11 was no joke. It's not even worth a chuckle when so many people are killed. Neither is what's happening in Iran. It's no joke, people are dying because they are tired of being bullied by the brutal Mullahs.

The fact that you laugh about 9/11 proves your a worthless POS not worthy of life. As for the coward references, I haven't seen many US forces dress up in Burkas to get through a checkpoint. I've heard several stories about Islamic men dawning Burkas to get through a checkpoint. Maybe they were cross dressers, I don't know. They are cowards because they don't wear a uniform to let you know who they are. They merely blend in and when innocents get killed, you come out from under your rock to gloat how they killed innocent civilians.

Now a death that makes me chuckle is the story that was released today. A Taliban commander was shot by his own security guards. The side your rooting for is turning in on itself. You've got to love that. Indeed there is no honor between thieves or Taliban members are there? Evidently, this commander, Qari Zainudden, complained about the civilian casualties and was shot for voicing his concerns. Evidently that's the terrorists strategy so thanks for playing. You've just been proved a liar by a current event! You couldn't tell the truth if FE Baily personally notarized your tongue!

Lonnie

I would say the CIA has always been out of control and no President has ever really had any idea what the Hell was going on.

You make no sense at all.... You go from one extreme to another all the time.

I hate to tell you this but the President is briefed by the CIA every morning and every evening..

They are not above the law... They do answer to the president on all matters.

Tosser gone.

Visit Kuma.

You make no sense at all.... You go from one extreme to another all the time.

I only make sense to the literate, I know. It really isn't fair to people like you.

I've heard several stories about Islamic men dawning Burkas to get through a checkpoint.

Also thought to be the way Osama slipped across the boarder into Pakistan...

Most of the Paki boarder guards would have loved to collect the $25,000,000 on his head.

But if it's in a Burka, You can't look or touch...

I only make sense to the literate, I know. It really isn't fair to people like you.

Typical leftist...

I just proved you completely wrong on two issues but I am the one who is stupid...

Sic.....

-I am the one who is stupid...

Finally! I thought that poster was never going to make any sense.

YOu have proved nothing. Typical rightie, they say "you are wrong" and think that is proof.

"Also thought to be the way Osama slipped across the boarder into Pakistan..."

Working in bin Laden's favor: although he is taller than then average Islamic woman, the facial hair is pretty average.

How many six foot six Paki women with a dialysis machine are there?

"Also thought to be the way Osama slipped across the boarder into Pakistan..."

Working in bin Laden's favor: although he is taller than then average Islamic woman, the facial hair is pretty average.

#115 | Posted by Danforth

Which was a welcome change from his preferred thong, denim mini, 6" stiletto heels, and paisley halter top.

How many six foot six Paki women with a dialysis machine are there?

#116 | Posted by kanrei

As many as we want, Amreekan swine.

- The late Tossoff

You ran from the other thread after I proved you were wrong though...

I have not run from any thread and certainly never from you. Maybe I excused my self from laughing to hard at you, but I have not run anywhere.

How many six foot six Paki women with a dialysis machine are there

There was no Dialysis machine.... That was a fake story.....

Can you tell is someone is crouching
or bending their knees under a burka... I don't think so...

The other thread you want to pretend the economy was great prior to Fannie and Freddie and you think governmental spending has no effect on the economy. You showed yourself to be unworthy and unable to engage in discussion based in reality. The quote "Enron was small potatoes" pretty much disqualified you from reasoned discourse.

I don't think so...

We already know you don't think so there is no need to say it.

I have not run from any thread and certainly never from you. Maybe I excused my self from laughing to hard at you, but I have not run anywhere.

This is typical of this idiot...

Prove her wrong and she attacks...

This is typical of this idiot...

Prove her wrong and she attacks

ROFLMAO

1. I am a guy
2. You have yet to prove anything other than you are the idiot in this thread.

you think governmental spending has no effect on the economy.

Why dont you explain how government spending effects the economy...

Explain what that had to do with almost all Banks around the entire globe failing at the same time...

Why dont you explain how government spending effects the economy...


Anyone stupid enough to ask that question is too stupid to understand the answer.

Try reading this Bash

Labor Force.

Government spending reduces labor-force participation by creating disincentives to work.

Government spending makes labor markets more rigid by hampering the efficient flow of workers from declining industries to expanding industries.

Productivity.

Government spending reduces productivity growth rates by inhibiting innovation and capital accumulation.

Government spending reduces productivity as resources are withdrawn from the private sector and placed in the unproductive public sector.

Capital Accumulation.

Government spending increases interest rates which decrease private investment.

Government spending creates uncertainty that reduces the return of long-term investments.

Rent-Seeking

Government spending creates opportunities for rent-seekers to waste resources to curry political favor.

Rent-seeking distorts economic markets, reduces economic growth, and destroys the free market ethic.

www.house.gov

Goto Riff.org if you need help.

Here it is from the same link put in a way even you can understand:

Through excessive spending, the government negatively affects the long-run economic growth rate of a free economy. Government spending reduces labor force participation, increases unemployment, and reduces productivity.

Want more Bash?

Some government spending is crucial for a well-functioning economy. However, currently the United States and most developed countries' governments spend excessively which reduces economic growth.[3] In other words, as governments divert resources away from private entrepreneurs, jobs, investment, and productivity decline which ultimately slows down the economy.

Same link.

Anyone stupid enough to ask that question is too stupid to understand the answer.

Why not answer the question any way... I admit I am stupid...

What does government spending have to do with the economy...

And we must be totally doomed with Oboma's 3 trillion budgets then ah?

Come give me a class.

What made the banks fail the War budget?

Why not answer the question any way... I admit I am stupid...

See posts #128, 129, 130

And we must be totally doomed with Oboma's 3 trillion budgets then ah?

Pretty much, yes.

Why would a three trillion dollar federal budget effect the economy?

Higher taxes?

Why would a three trillion dollar federal budget effect the economy?


Post #128, 129, 130

Rif.org to help.

With the Bush war budget averaging about 100 Billion a year...

What did the federal government spend three times that amount on yearly over the last ten years without fail...

Can you answer that?

See Bash,
There is no running away, just fatigue from you not reading responses, repeating you posted proof which consists of "you are wrong", and then declaring victory.


With the Bush war budget averaging about 100 Billion a year...

What did the federal government spend three times that amount on yearly over the last ten years without fail...

Can you answer that?


Bush did not reduce the other spending so it was $100 Billion a year on top of everything else. Plus, most of the war's expenses were not included in any budget statement. Got no more time to spoon feed you, Bash. Declare victory if it will help you get to sleep tonight, but no further responses will follow.

It's just my opinion but I see Kanrei more center than left.

Lonnie

Thank you Lonnie. Technically, I am whatever side is not in power which makes me a rightie right now. I don't trust government period and feel it is our duty to stop cheering for your side once your side win and become your side's harshest critic.

I voted for Obama and I am damn well going to hold him to every promise he made. He maynot get even half of them done, but he damn well better try and, above all else, he must not turn into what I voted against like he has so far or else my vote goes GOP in 2012.

www.house.gov


The only problem with that is most of it never happened...

When did the interest rate climb there Ken?

You used a republican scare memo from 1995?

Is that based in fact or is it political BS from the right during a time when clinton was spending money like water?

We spend three hundred Billion a year on ILLEGAL ALIENS...

Feeding them... Housing them.... Medical.... Educating their illegal children....

Government spending does not effect the economy Ken... The memo is stupid. Government spending creates opportunities for rent-seekers to waste resources to curry political favor

I mean are you kidding?

Government spending reduces labor-force participation by creating disincentives to work

How does that work?

I am not a registered Republican and reserve the right to make up my mind at the voting booth. Texas gives me that freedom. I don't have to register as a Democrat or a Republican to go vote.

Lonnie

So according to Kan... Government spending ruined the economy...

The banks failed because Bush spent too much money (100 Billion a year)on the war alone...

Well we must be totally screwed by that standard because Obama is going to spend three times that each year for the next four years... 3 trillion a tear by most estimates...

Texas gives me that freedom. I don't have to register as a Democrat or a Republican to go vote.


I live in Florida, so, since I am not in any party, I am banned from the Primary process here and only get to voice which bad choice I prefer more rather than who I want to actually run.

OR

We are meddling...... and Obama doesn't want to appear to be meddling....

The protests also have the hallmarks of the CIA orchestrated protests in Georgia and Ukraine.
It requires total blindness not to see this.

Are the Iranian Election Protests Another US Orchestrated 'Color Revolution'?
www.opednews.com

#99 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2009-06-23 01:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

Just because the protest bears the hallmarks of a CIA operation doesn't mean it is a CIA operation. All the media reports cited in that article were published during the Bush/neocon administration. I would like to think Obama would not be so foolish as to continue such maneuvers.

But who knows? Politicians often do foolish things.

It is quite stunning to watch someone like Kanrei get their shit handed to them and yet they think they somehow are winning the debate.

3 trillion a year by most estimates...

#143 | Posted by bashthis at 2009-06-23 03:30 PM | Reply | Flag

How about a link to one estimate.

I am not a registered Republican and reserve the right to make up my mind at the voting booth. Texas gives me that freedom. I don't have to register as a Democrat or a Republican to go vote.

Lonnie

#142 | Posted by lwalk17

I'm jealous!

Do you get to vote in the primary and the general as no party?

This poor woman and her family--along with the others who were shot down or kidnapped from their homes and killed later.

Obama is an apologist.

At least Carter "condemned" the human rights violations.

It only took Obama 8 days and 3 polls and 2 focus groups and 2 resolutions voted by the House and the Senate--to finally come out and say something.

Yes--a leader indeed.

"Yes--a leader indeed.

#149 | Posted by MURPHY "

You're full of shit. If Obama had blabbered like MadBomber McCain wanted him to it would play right into the hands of the regime.

Null--did you read my post?

He was null and void on human right violations--something you and other libs hold as a shield against evil.

Even Carter spoke out and condemned HRV when they occurred.

Obama is not a leader--he is an apologist--apologizing for Iran and A-jihad and the mullahs.

Like Iran never "meddles" in Iraq--killing our soldiers. Like Iran never meddles with their partnerships with Hezbollah and Hamas against Israel.

You go ahead and keep apologizing for Obama who apologizes for Iran.

Do you get to vote in the primary and the general as no party?

Yes. It is powerful tool during the primaries. Texans have known forever that if their guy is going to win Texas, they vote in the opponent's primary for the least likely to win candidate.

It's so funny a year ago when Rush was urging people to do the same and all the libs were in an uproar as if it was something Rush had just thought up. Texans have been doing it as long as I can remember.

I guess I was naive, but until I joined the Navy, I did not know most stated require voters to register a party. Nor did I know that there was such a thing as state income tax in most states until I joined the service

"You go ahead and keep apologizing for Obama who apologizes for Iran."

You're still full of shit, Murphy. He's doing exactly the right thing. You morons on the right love that idiotic, fire-breathing, war-mongering rhetoric from assclowns like Bush and Cheney, but apparently this president is smarter.

You're not only full of it Murphy, but you're piling it higher and deeper at a record pace.

Obama referred respectfully to Iran's most powerful cleric, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, as the "Supreme Leader". Sweet.

Obama referred respectfully to Iran's most powerful cleric, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, as the "Supreme Leader". Sweet.

#155 | Posted by tontonmacoute at 2009-06-23 08:44 PM

So did Fred Thompson on Meet the Press Sunday, representing the GOP position.

So did John McCain in another interview over the weekend.

So?

Tosser - you're a poney with your selective outrage.

If this woman was a Jew or an Indian you would LOL like the asshole that you are.

Phony-ass punk.

I am not a registered Republican and reserve the right to make up my mind at the voting booth. Texas gives me that freedom. I don't have to register as a Democrat or a Republican to go vote.

Lonnie

#142 | Posted by lwalk17

I'm jealous!

Do you get to vote in the primary and the general as no party?

#148 | Posted by MURPHY
-----------
Yep, I get to vote in the primary and the general. I don't even have to vote for the same party in the primary that I vote for in the General election either. LOL.

Lonnie

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