Drudge Retort: Red Meat for Yellow Dogs
Saturday, June 20, 2009

More than one-quarter of American states now have unemployment rates higher than 10 percent, and all but two saw a further job-market deterioration in May. "It's tough everywhere," said Mark Vitner, a senior economist at Wachovia Corp. in Charlotte, North Carolina. "Nobody's really been spared."

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Stimulus in action.

Over 14% in Michigan. Dems have been in control longer here.

It's gonna get worse before it gets better.

This is so true, America1st. I am a Democrat and was so friggin bent by the Carter years. I admire Carter for everything BUT his economics. Obama is repeating those Volker policies now and Hell demands payment when it is done.
Liberals, what is more important? Is it the programs and regulations or letting traditional working heterosexuals prosper?
Hollywood money has perverted the party once representing US.

"Hollywood money has perverted the party once representing US."

WTF are you talking about? Establishment Hollywood is much more conservative than people think. If you need proof, look no further than the SAG Hollywood Board.

Look no further than Cher, Babs Streidsan, Alan Alda, Ed Asner........

...Gary Sinese, Kelsey Grammer, Gerald MacRainey, Gary Oldham, Patricia Heaton, Tom Selleck, Drew Carrey, Arnold Schwartzenegger, Bruce Willis, Mel Gibson, Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson, Freddie Prinze jr. , Bo Derek, Chuck Norris , Clint Eastwood, Heather Locklear, Jean Claude van Damme, Matt LeBlanc, LL Cool J, Sarah Michelle Gellar, Shannon Doherty, Sylvester Stallone, Tom Clancy....

...joe buck,soylent green guy....

It's much higher than 10% because many work under the table and are not paid on the books. 40% of those working in Los Angeles County work under the table so when they no longer have a job there is no way to accurately tell how many are unemployed.

Also, once someone has collected an unemployment check for 6 months and is then no longer eligible to continue to collect unemployment -- but he or she is STILL unemployed -- the government no longer counts them among the ranks of the unemployed even though they still may be out of work.

....Ranier Wolfcastle, Krusty the Clown, Count Chocula....

Gary Sinese, Kelsey Grammer, Gerald MacRainey, Gary Oldham, Patricia Heaton, Tom Selleck, Drew Carrey, Arnold Schwartzenegger, Bruce Willis, Mel Gibson, Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson, Freddie Prinze jr. , Bo Derek, Chuck Norris , Clint Eastwood, Heather Locklear, Jean Claude van Damme, Matt LeBlanc, LL Cool J, Sarah Michelle Gellar, Shannon Doherty, Sylvester Stallone, Tom Clancy....

Douglas, Michael
Katzenberg, Jeffrey
Lear, Norman
Reiner, Rob
Pollack, Sydney
Thomas, Marlo
Fonda, Jane
Chase, Chevy
Wacko Liberal Nutcase
Newman, Paul
Wacko Liberal Nutcase
Baldwin, Alec
Garofalo, Janeane
Woodward, Joanne
Burrows, James
Hoffman, Dustin
Moore, Michael
Williams, Robin
Clooney, George
Penn, Sean
Sarandon, Susan
Springer, Jerry
Thomas, Heather
Asner, Ed
Norton, Edward
Devito, Danny
Robbins, Tim

We can cut and paste lists all day long. Neither of which is going to make the others point more or less valid.

A valid question would be: "How many of these states accepted stimulus money versus states that did not apply for all available stimulus money?"


Newman, Paul


LOL


Pollack, Sydney


dido

#12 | Posted by Zap at 2009-06-20 10:43 AM | Reply | Flag:

Old List. Copied and Pasted from a website, which if you had read the post you'd know.

Since it's a safe bet you didn't read the post, I'll assume you haven't got an answer for the question I posed at the bottom of it.


A valid question would be: "How many of these states accepted stimulus money versus states that did not apply for all available stimulus money?"


Do the work. Oh sorry, obviously your not big on details...

Way to go Obama, Pelosi, Reid, and Hoyer. Keep up the good work Democrats.

Do the work. Oh sorry, obviously your not big on details...

#15 | Posted by Zap at 2009-06-20 10:51 AM | Reply | Flag:

Actually, I'm huge on details. You should have seen the shit I had to cut out of that list in order to make it even close to readable.

Besides. I want you to do the work for me.

lets call it like it REALLY is

this rate is at an ALL TIME high in some states and alltime INCREASE in others


and ALL ON OBAMA"S WATCH

There are some Counties in WA where it's 20%, the Seattle-Tacoma corridor is about 10%

You can't spend yourself to prosperity.

When Government spends money it is; 1) spending money that has no value as the government creates no value 2) Makes the private sector compete for funding which increases interest rates and decreases the value of the money as less is being produced by it.

fo
we screamed that out here beginning before the election.

and how will the private sector do what you talk about when the fed gets its hands into more and more of it in what seems daily?
one fact is evident. the dems are overreaching JUST AS PREDICTED I MIGHT ADD. and it will cost them.
HOW MUCH? well I guess that depends on how many DUPES continue to fall for the obama image.

"I admire Carter for everything BUT his economics. Obama is repeating those Volker policies now and Hell demands payment when it is done."

That comment makes absolutely no sense at all. Paul Volker was appointed to be Chairman of the Fed by Carter and kept in his role by Reagan. He dramatically raised interest rates to quell inflation, last time I checked the Fed has interest extreely low trying to help the economy get moving again and, so far, inflation has not really been that big of a problem.

some interest rates have been steadily climbing.

all signs suggest inflation is on its way. and maybe even what they call superinflation or whatever.

you just cant spend money like we are without those consequences.

and remember that in those days inflation was killing us

do you still have you W.I.N. button?

A more important question is where did the money go and why?

...and the answer is under Bush & Paulson:

1. Highly leveraged derivatives gambling houses were opened totalling $684 trillion which remain unresolved.

2. After the Enron debacle unfolded nothing was changed so that accounting fraud and intercompany conspiracy to commit fraud were repeated, backed by ratings agencies at the expense of institutional lenders who bought their shit, mostly foriegners (because we're bankrupt). They stopped buying and the Ponzi Scheme collapsed, so they pulled Madoff out of the closet to make an example of an individual instead of dismantling a corrupt system.

These foriegn lenders didn't just stop buying the shit, they threatened to sue the likes of Goldman-Sachs, Merrill-Lynch into oblivion. Paulson and Bernanke said, wait a minute, we'll take it out of the taxpayers hide if you don't sue. Just wait until there is going to be a transition of adminstrations. Let us leave town before the real shit hits the fan.

3. Greenspan exits stage left. Bernanke pulls $100 billion form the banking system 10 days before meeting with COngress to demand $700 billion or their world will collpase.

But no one will buy Wall Street's shit anymore, so taxpayers not only have to pony up for Wall Street's ill gotten gains, they lose their jobs as well. Its only fair.

Oh, and we can't tell you where the money went, because it would lead to too many criminal indictments and crooks still deserve their bonuses.

ah a dream of mine.
I dream of the day when either here on our little site or listening to any democrat whore or spokesman and on any discussion on any issue......we wont read or hear the entire time the old worn out

WE inherited it
bush and bernake
bush's fault
yada yada yada

as I said,....this economy NOW IS OBAMA"S...
and you can rant and rave about bush in his last few months but you are not giving the whole story as all I have to do is bring up the neat little sign

OFFICE OF THE PRESIDENT ELECT.........

and you can truthfully demean the bush deficit but that is NO EXCUSE TO QUADRUPLE IT IN A few short months with MORE TO COME............

this is obama's economy now ...........

MAN UP
sack up


grab the tail and face the situation

It doesn't matter as long as corporate profits are strong.
The republicans

What is sad is that the Obama administration has done absolutely zip to stem job loss. Nuh-theeng.

Here's what I see needing to be done, at least temporarily:

1- Cap the national work week at 40 hours. Period, no exceptions.
2- Through tax credits or breaks, encourage companies to furlough workers across the board or reduce their hours, instead of laying off.
3- Through the tax system, penalize companies who send jobs offshore.
4- Scrutinize any conversion of a job from an hourly wage to a salaried position, disallowing such conversion where it can be seen that the purpose is to get unpaid hours out of an employee who was formerly paid for every hour worked.
5- Create a special tax for companies who lay off large numbers of people, designed to compensate their communities for the additional services the unemployed will need.
6- Scrutinize any measures taken to convert positions from regular employee status to independent contractor, disallowing such conversion where it can be seen that the purpose is to avoid paying unemployment taxes and other benefits.

Even one of these six steps would be more than Obama's team is doing now. And none of them would cost anything like the bailout crappola we've already seen, and which is - so far - making absolutely no difference on Main Street.

good post mary

EXCEPT....capping the work week will not help small business and will be too much like france when they did this similar thing,,,in a global economy is it wise to have people work less

TAX CUTS....you are in danger here of not being invited to democrat meetings..isnt that a phrase thats not allowed

off shore...wasnt there an article not long ago about how some off shore stuff actually helps..have to look for that

and the others you mention just go to help prove what kudlow said yesterday about the health care plan from dems

'anti business' and classwarfare...

while your ideas are obviously well intentioned Im not sure businessess could survive most of them

interesting ideas though rather than just more horseshit like the post just above yours

and once I was bitching about teacher pay and talked to a superintendent about getting paid by the hour....and his reply was in the order of some of your comments

if the school paid by the hour I wouldnt get paid for all the hours that I was working so its not like I would make more money

and in hindsight...all those times I bitched about salary and thought of doing something else, with todays economic climate, it was the right thing to do and teaching was my calling anyway so it worked out....

bottom line for me...Im not so sure that we have to redo everything...the economic system has a way of working itself out doesn it?

Wall Street has been waging class warfare for decades.

Conservatives want workers to rollover and take it or they'll acuse them of "waging class warfare".

wrongo buzzard breath...

just as the race card..there is no group better at playing class warfare and anti business as much as the american left.

Yes Aflac, you're right, the economy was hunky dory on 1/19/09.

Just because I sat here in Sept and October and watched the markets plunge by hundreds of points each day, as hard working Americans watched their retirements and everything they had worked for get cut by 50%, doesn't mean it actually happened. I must have been hallucinating again because now you say everything was fine until 1/19/09.

Ignorance knows no bounds.

what??

did you grunt something?

you are just pinning for the gOOD OLD dAYS

the BUSH ECONOMY that roared through virtually his entire terms........when unemployment was 4 something and you and others said

HE"S NOT COUNTING EVERYONE and NOW when that stat IS FORGOTTEN ABOUT.....

you mean..shit like that??

And Obama is not done yet--he has more plans to enact.


And the rise of unemployment will continue to rise.

This is Obama's economy.

"This is Obama's economy."

Amazing.

For 8 years, Bush wasn't responsible for anything. Now, those same apologists for every Bush fuckup want to pin everything on Obama. And they're willing to post rank stupidity in their quest.

11.5% in California and Boxer wants to be called senator.

"while your ideas are obviously well intentioned Im not sure businessess could survive most of them

interesting ideas though..."

Let's look at my rationale for each.

1- Capping the work week. If you have two salaried people who work sixty hours each in a week, that's 120 hours. With a cap, another person would have to be hired to get the same 120 hours of work done.

2- Tax breaks or credits for furloughs or reductions in work week. This would encourage companies to retain workers that they might not otherwise be able to keep. Many companies are already doing this, and their employees feel that it's better to have a cutback than to be terminated.

3- Penalties for sending jobs offshore. This one does cut into Corporate America's ability to do what it bleepin'-A pleases, no question about it. But I think it's necessary to send Corporate America an unmistakable message that some responsibility to communities and this nation as a whole will be demanded from now on, that owning a company is not a marauding license.

4- Looking at positions being changed from hourly to salaried. This is not as prevalent this go-round as it was in the wake of 9/11, but it's still going on. This would go along with the cap on the work week, making it necessary to hire more people to get a given workload accomplished, rather than working a remaining few people much harder, without paying them fairly.

5- A tax on companies doing mass layoffs. Again, very controversial, and probably a whole new area for the law. However, when companies do things (like closing, merging or selling out) that create mass layoffs, they should bear as much as possible of the cost of the layoff's impact on the community, I feel. Whirlpool Corporation recently bought out Maytag and closed all of Maytag's facilities in Newton, Iowa, which is now hurting very badly. I'd like to see more of the societal cost of business decisions like this one come out of owners' pockets, not city, state and Federal budgets.

6- Looking hard at independent contractor arrangements. When an hourly worker loses a job, they're covered in most instances by unemployment insurance, which eases their situation, at least for a time. Independent contractors have nothing but their savings, which - considering how poorly many are paid - can be modest at best. An independent contractor stands a higher chance of needing expensive services if no work is available, like housing assistance. Nothing costs like having the government dole something out.

Anyway, I'd like to see Obama live up to that "Next F.D.R." reputation he garnered back when he was elected, and look harder for ways to keep Americans working. He promised we'd get change, and so far, I must say that promise is being kept. It's just that I think most Americans would prefer folding money.

P.S.: Even if not every one of the six points I've outlined is doable, the creation, announcement and enforcement of some sort of plan would accomplish something that is sadly lacking right now - it would create a sense of mission and direction. Right now, all we have is blind hope, and as everyone knows - or should know - hope is not a plan.

I mentioned F.D.R. in my previous post, and I did that in the full awareness that F.D.R.'s accomplishments during the Depression are debatable. What he did do was to give people a sense that something was being done, and to give them someone to look to, to suggest to, to praise and even, if necessary, to blame. That's what a Prez should do in times of crisis, not spout highfalutin' phrases and rev up the Fed's printing presses.

I personally give Obama until the end of this year to make a difference that people can feel in their pocketbooks, or this country will settle into a disaffection that will ensure Obama's status as a single-termer. While I felt that Obama was the better of the two realistic choices for President, I also said many times during the election cycle that I felt he was Jimmy Carter Part II, and his actions since the election - or lack thereof - are making that prophecy come true, if you ask me.

"1- Cap the national work week at 40 hours. Period, no exception"

Oh no, we can't have any of that European stuff here. That would mean a reduction in consumption, and American capitalism won't stand for the worker/consumer bots not consuming as much, having more leisure time, etc.

"Here's what I see needing to be done, at least temporarily:"

All good ideas. I would add reducing the retirement age.

"I mentioned F.D.R. in my previous post, and I did that in the full awareness that F.D.R.'s accomplishments during the Depression are debatable."

Funny, they have only been debatable since the right wingers started rewriting history to suit their own failed economic beliefs. FDR saved America and democracy, make no mistake about it regardless of what these lying right wing fools try to tell you.

Obama and all the experts told everyone that unemployment would continue to rise, this is not a surpise to anyone. For crying out loud, GM and Chrysler just closed a whole bunch of plants, their suppliers have been laying off as well. A recovery will not be revealed in unemployment numbers first, they told everyone that. Give the stimulus time to work before declaring idiotically that the whole plan is not working. Personally, I am really sick and tired of those who cheered on the failed policies of Bush and Greenspan that created this disaster now being such loud mouthed critics of the Obama administration as they try to repair the damage caused by 30 years of REaganomics. It won't happen over night and without the patience to let it build slowly, it won't happen at all. Any return to the failed policies of the conservatives will just insure that America will fall permanently to second world status and those same critical voices will just continue to blame everyone except the people responsible, themselves.

" It won't happen over night and without the patience to let it build slowly, it won't happen at all."

Danni:

Someone who has been out of work for so long that they're out of unemployment benefits, has no realistic job prospects due to nearly non-existent hiring, has a foreclosure notice in the mail, and cannot even afford the transition costs of moving to cheaper accomodations does not have the luxury of patience.

People who are out of work need money, housing and the other things that having a job provide now, not at some unspecified point down the pike. If they do not get some relief, very soon, it's going to be difficult for the Dems at the mid-terms, and for Obama in the election after that, with the loss of a Congressional majority and the White House a good deal more than likely. The whole idea behind electing Obama was that Main Street was going to be as important as Wall Street. So far as Joe Average is concerned, that isn't within light-years of happening.

Wake up and smell the coffee - this is serious, and it has the potential to unravel this administration very quickly. People hired this guy for some freakin' answers, and they ain't a-gittin' them. So far, they've seen greedy, amoral bankers bailed out, and greedy, incompetent automakers bailed out, and a bunch of pork voted on. But nothing - less than nothing - has been done that benefits the average voter in any kind of foreseeable time frame. What you are talking about is pie in the sky. What people are looking for is grocery money.

P.S., Danni:

I have a fearless prediction for you.

Unless something is done for Joe Average, you will see Obama's poll numbers tank big-time by Thanksgiving.

And the rise of unemployment will continue to rise.


This is Obama's economy.

#34 | Posted by MURPHY at 2009-06-20 02:44 PM |


Way to think like a lemming Muffy.

You really want the country to tank so you could say it was "Obama's Fault".

Fucking Idiot.

The country was in great shape when Obama took over and now look at it.



lets call it like it REALLY is


this rate is at an ALL TIME high in some states and alltime INCREASE in others


and ALL ON OBAMA"S WATCH

#18 | Posted by afkabl2



Shoulda stayed in school, dipshit.

"9/11"



The country was in great shape when Obama took over and now look at it.

#46 | Posted by mysterytoy

lol

See my last post.

i want danni to keep saying '30 years of" and "reagenomics" im sure she still has a couple hundred left in her.

"Way to think like a lemming Muffy.

You really want the country to tank so you could say it was "Obama's Fault".

Fucking Idiot."

No, I do not want the country to tank.

What I want is for Obama to do low-cost, effective things that will produce some results now, instead of doing hellaciously expensive stuff that is going to take forever to trickle down to the rest of us.

Surely that's not too much to expect.

Employment above 10% in 13 states?

Wow, and those are the official stats which only incorporate those actually recieving unemployment benefits, the real stats are actually much higher.

there is no group better at playing class warfare and anti business as much as the american left.

~Babbler

Bullshit.

If the left is so good at playing the class warfare game how come the rtards are winning?

The corporate asskissers on the right are so good at playing the class warfare game they have actually created a new class of hyper rich Americans.

They've done this wretched thing mostly through destroying the middle class and pissing on the poor with their voodoo "trickle down" economics.

All while acusing the left of being the ones waging the class war fer extra irony points.

The Class War is one which has never ended and who's beginnings go back to the dawn of human history.

People who don't understand that simple undeniable fact are ignoranuses.

Be Well.

Spud to MTW:

Muffy is Murphy not you.

Be Well.

"What people are looking for is grocery money."

MARTYTYLERWHORE I completely agree with you but dear, you need to tell that to the people who opposed the stimulus which included money for extended unemployment, jobs, etc. President Obama included BILLIONS for those purposes AGAINST THE WISHES of the very fools who created this disaster.
When I say people need to have patience I don't mean they should be without assistance, this president is trying to bring them assistance while Republican Governors have been actually REFUSING stimulus money which goes for UNEMPLOYMENT COMPENSATION for their own citizens. Americans need to remember who created this disaster and see what those same greedy, dispicable scum bags are doing out of sheer ideological hatred to their own citizens.

we need this stimulus package or unemployment will reach as high as 8.9%...what a dick, just like the rest of them

Yes Aflac, you're right, the economy was hunky dory on 1/19/09.
* * * * *

One way to see it. Another is that the markets started to fall apart as it became increasingly obvious that a community organizer from Chicago was going to be president. And that he would demolish the health care industry, that he would raise taxes across the board to pay for enormous new entitlement programs, and that he would be the most anti-capitalist president in modern times. It was not obvious that he would re-write capital precedence rules, as in AIG and GM and Chrysler--his actions merely borne out our suspicions.

What was the S&P when he announced his candidacy?

One other thing: there should be no "national work week." We don't need people in Washington telling us how long or not we should be working. If I want to work 75 hours a week--and I do, very often--I should be able to without some bureaucrat telling me I can't.

Doesn't matter. Nobody is listening to small-government conservatives these days, which is fine. We'll keep making money, and biding our time.

I thought the messiah said we needed this stimulus money to prevent it form going to 10%.

Hope and change

SUCKERS

While not exactly on topic, this can be closs enough.

Two day ago (apx) a conservative poster made a bold statement concerning the Obamaman's terrible record and just how do you like his nationwide 25% unemployment figures? Maybe I am dense and missed something but how could such a figure be tossed out? This figure is one and one half times the true rate and even a rabid hatred of the Obamaman can't justify such a claim. Did I miss something, some different method of determining the rate or just WTF???

"Nobody is listening to small-government conservatives these days, which is fine."

The one outstanding positive in today's world.

This is Obama's economy."


Amazing.


For 8 years, Bush wasn't responsible for anything. Now, those same apologists for every Bush fuckup want to pin everything on Obama. And they're willing to post rank stupidity in their quest.

#35 | Posted by Danforth at 2009-06


I dont know where you guys get this notion when addressing me that I did what you are talking about here.
FACT IS...I and MANY OTHERS on the right have assailed and bitched about his spending since the outset...........

"I and MANY OTHERS on the right have assailed and bitched about his spending since the outset..."

Yeah...Obama's. When it was Bush's you barely made a peep.


#18 | Posted by afkabl2




Shoulda stayed in school, dipshit.


"9/11"


#47 | Posted by midiman at 2009-0

TODAY ON GEORGE

the guy from the new york times,,,Keller or such

when asked about the polls showing better points on him personnaly and lower on issues said it

HE said this shows that the economy and those issues are now

OBAMAS

this is the FUCKIN editore of the fuckin NY TIMES
get online and listen to it for yourslef

Yeah...Obama's. When it was Bush's you barely made a peep.

#61 | Posted by Danforth at 2009


WRONG

I ' peeped' on several occasions

"I ' peeped' on several occasions"

Link away.

there should be plenty of my posts on archives for you to look

OH WAIT a min...I forgot...a lot fo them are now in the smithsonian....LOL

"there should be plenty of my posts on archives for you to look"

Then it should be easy to link to a half-dozen or so. Go right ahead.

WRONG

I ' peeped' on several occasions

Idiots who paint with a broad brush have a hard time comprehending that it is possible to be supportive of idealisms of a person, but not others. They can't be changed, so you just have to sit back and smile politely at them as they paint away.

"Idiots who paint with a broad brush have a hard time comprehending that it is possible to be supportive of idealisms of a person, but not others. "

Good observation. Afkabibble supported the idealism of Bush's record deficits, but not the same idealism of Obama's record deficits.

Afkabibble supported the idealism of Bush's record deficits

Then it should be easy for you to provide a half dozen or so links to support this.

"Then it should be easy for you to provide a half dozen or so links to support this."

Except that he was the first one to claim he had "peeped". You've been on here before, haven't you? You know how this works...yes?

You know how this works...yes?

Yes. You understand basic tenets of logic, yes?

You are asking him to prove a negative (that he didn't support Bush's idealisms). That is logically impossible.

Therefore, the burden of proof lies on you since you made the claim:

Afkabibble supported the idealism of Bush's record deficits

BL2 cannot prove he didn't. It is impossible.

6 links will do.

Good observation. Afkabibble supported the idealism of Bush's record deficits, but not the same idealism of Obama's record deficits.

#68 | Posted by Danforth at 2009


idealism...SMIldealism

if you cant afford it...you CANT afford it..

and I still dont know how anyone can..WITh a straight face..attack bush deficits after what obama is doing...........

"You are asking him to prove a negative (that he didn't support Bush's idealisms)"

No, I'm asking him to link to where he "assailed and bitched about (Bush's) spending since the outset". RIF.

No, I'm asking him to link to where he "assailed and bitched about (Bush's) spending since the outset".

It looks like he owes you a link to substantiate his claim then. So in fairness, you also need to provide links to substantiate your claim:

Afkabibble supported the idealism of Bush's record deficits

I think six was the magic number you set. I'd say you would have an advantage on the score card if you were first.

dan

get real...I am not going to go back and look at every post I have written on the subject.
take my word for it...bush spent money like a democrat.....and thats all of my opinion you need to know.......

and if I gave any impression that I supported deficits or the like from anyone it must have been a specific situation..
and remember it wasnt a republican who said not long ago that deficits dont matter in regard to the current situation anyway.......


HOWEVER>..the media post of the day was on cnn this morning..
economy? no
iran? no


clip on DOG SURFING>...they were great.

"So in fairness, you also need to provide links to substantiate your claim"

Right after he provides his, since he was the first to make any claim. Only fair, wouldn't you say?

"bush spent money like a democrat..."

No, Bush spent money like a Republican. Too bad you can't seem to accept that.

"and Boxer wants to be called senator."

And did that General want to be called "General"?!?

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