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Friday, June 19, 2009

I am of the opinion that some on the right have lost their minds regarding how they feel Obama should have responded to the elections in Iran. Bush referred to Iran as part of an 'Axis of Evil'. It was a play borrowed from the Reagan playbook regarding Communism and the USSR. The problem is, Iran is NOT the USSR. They have a lot of pissed-off citizens who are very interested in change AND have a far better ability to pull it off than the citizens of Russia ever had - the Russian bear was simply too big to be overthrown from within. So, Obama has chosen a more deft and cautious approach? Good for him. Bush's approach didn't yield any positive results regarding Iran, so why repeat them? Yet, Obama is being slammed for just that - not calling the Iranian government evil.

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IMO, Reagan's approach with Communism was the correct one. Having said that, Bush simply copied Reagan's tack and applied it to a completely different set of circumstances and expected the same results.

All I ask of the Obama critics is to give him some time regarding his foreign policy. This is tricky and slow-moving stuff. Let it play out a bit before blasting the guy.

Fire away at his rather abysmal domestic policy, but show some restraint regarding his foreign policy. Remember, if EVERYTHING he does is met with harsh criticism, the truly legitimate criticisms will be obfuscated by the shaky criticisms and the baseless criticisms.

Bush gave the 'Axis of Evil' line in 2002 -- Iran then is hardly the Iran of today; the thugocracy was in firm control in 2002. Using this as a beating stick on Bush is just lame.

While I agree that Obama should continue to play it low key on Iran he could still make a bold statement about how Americans stand with all people who seek freedom.

It was no accident that demonstrators had signs in English.

"Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!"

Sometimes, regardless of the size of the opponent, you have to stand up for what is right.

Regan understood that. Bush understood that. Even Clinton understood that (sending troops into Kosovo).

Sadly, Obama is following in the wobbly and weak-kneed steps of the likes of Jimmy Carter.

Sometimes, regardless of the size of the opponent, you have to stand up for what is right.


Regan understood that.

What a joke ,Grenada pretty tough.Lebonan not so tough

Sometimes, regardless of the size of the opponent, you have to stand up for what is right.

Not to mention Iran-contra

If you think that Grenada wasn't standing up to Russia, you need to have someone adjust your dosage, cause you are fried.

[to be fair, do you think that the Cuban Missile Crisis was just big bad America picking on poor little Cuba? Sure you do.]

Julia's white guy

I thought we were protecting American medical students

Sometimes, regardless of the size of the opponent, you have to stand up for what is right.
Regan understood that.
#3 | Posted by 1libertarian

Reagan? Iran-Contra Reagan? Lebanon Reagan?

Re this thread: If you want to get an idea about just how unglued some of the Rightists have have become on Iran, check out Charles Krauthammer's bleat in today's Washington Post:
www.washingtonpost.com

"Re this thread: If you want to get an idea about just how unglued some of the Rightists have have become..."

Haven't seen the article yet, Doc, but if you wanna talk "unglued," I've been around for a while and had not SEEN unglued until observing your little friends during the past eight years. Many of them are STILL unglued. I hope you are not, ONE Danni and ONE Buffaloed_Boob is enough.

Gonna look at the article now.

OK, Doc, I read it. I guess I'm "unglued" because I agree with Krauthammer. I have visions of Chamberlain calling Hitler "Der Fuhrer" and having "meaningful dialogue," declaring "peace in our time." Obama (or ANYONE) isn't going to make peace with Iran as long as the Ayatollahs are in command...whether he sings Kumbayah, bows or whistles Dixie. You're naive if you think so. Krauthammer is absolutley correct with his writing the following...

"That's our fundamental interest. And our fundamental values demand that America stand with demonstrators opposing a regime that is the antithesis of all we believe.

And where is our president? Afraid of "meddling." Afraid to take sides between the head-breaking, women-shackling exporters of terror -- and the people in the street yearning to breathe free. This from a president who fancies himself the restorer of America's moral standing in the world."

What you call "afraid to take sides" is what many, many other people call "unwilling to hurl invective and hyperbole until there is concrete proof of election fraud." But, it's easy for you and Krauthammer to armchair quarterback when the two of you don't have to personally deal with the consequences of your reckless statements, n'est ce pas?

Krauthammer, who isn't on the scene and can claim no special expertise on matters Iranian, writes: "The demonstrators are fighting on their own, but they await just a word that America is on their side."

Really? How does he know?

Here's the problem, Jest: Obama comes out loud and strong in favor of toppling the regime, okay? The basic product of that is handing the fascist mullahs an invaluable rhetorical weapon: Not only are they claiming the Americans want to destroy the regime, now the American president says the same thing. Ergo, anyone involved in the demonstrations is an American tool working to undermine the government (which is, according to the mullahs, one installed through the will of God.) (These are the guys who introduced "opposing God's messengers on earth" as a capital offense.)

Green light! Bring out the tanks, unleash the considerable powers of the state. This is not to say the tanks and those powers won't appear anyway. But the US doesn't exactly have much of a positive reputation in Iran. Are the youth attracted to some aspects of American culture? Perhaps. But America as a nation-state? I doubt it. Our kids may not be able to come up with the answer to the question "Iran plus 1953 plus CIA equals what?" But I'll bet most Iranian kids can. Then there's that Shah business. Oh, and training the Savak fingernail pulling crowd. That kind of stuff tends to mount up.

If the regime -- which, judging by today's address by the grand poohbah, knows good and well it's coming up to watershed time and is preparing to defend itself -- if the regime is weakened or, better, toppled, great. But for the US to take the position that we're going to encourage Iranians to go out in the street, court and find death, is, I think, a terrible mistake.

" I have visions of Chamberlain calling Hitler "Der Fuhrer" and having "meaningful dialogue,"

Er...dumb ass who has Iran invaded???

How can you make a comparison with Nazi Germany if there is no invasion of another nation??

Never mind, you don't even understand the question....

"Not only are they claiming the Americans want to destroy the regime, now the American president says the same thing."

Is there ANY doubt anywhere in the world that it IS the case.

"This is not to say the tanks and those powers won't appear anyway."

I expect it to happen any day now.

"But for the US to take the position that we're going to encourage Iranians to go out in the street, court and find death, is, I think, a terrible mistake."

I think the greater mistake is to convey that we are taking the position that we're just going to continue to talk and sing Kumbayah to the "Supreme Ayatollah" and his hencemen, thereby removing any hope of support for those opponents.


"Never mind, you don't even understand the question...."

OH...you asked a question? Sorry, Danni, I just thought your post was the standard...

Republicans...BAD!
Democrats...GOOD!


Krauthammer, who isn't on the scene and can claim no special expertise on matters Iranian, writes: "The demonstrators are fighting on their own, but they await just a word that America is on their side."

Really? How does he know?
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DOC -- He doesn't know! He needs to go back to his business as a "licensed shrink." His expertise is counseling and psychology. Most everything he writes is conjecture at best. My local newspaper carries his column -- the publisher and editor thinks K makes the sun rise.

Sometimes, regardless of the size of the opponent, you have to stand up for what is right.


Regan understood that. Bush understood that

Really? I must have missed them "standing up" to China and Saudi Arabia for their human rights abuses.

Bush attacked Iraq for not what is right, but what he thought would be easy. An easy victory against a decimated military, kind of like Grenada.

Have righties come unglued when it comes to Obama?

They've been screeching bloody murder since the election.
I try to tune them out. Unfortunately-too many still think they have something relevant to say......

"OH...you asked a question? Sorry, Danni, I just thought your post was the standard...


Republicans...BAD!
Democrats...GOOD!"

Just like I thought, YOu don't even understand the question. You remind me of that tool on Hardball a while back who called Obama an "appeaser" but then had no clue what it even meant.

No way!!

Critizing mustard on a hamburger is normal behavior.

Critizing mustard on a hamburger is normal behavior.

Maybe. I don't know. But becoming unglued about it isn't.

It was no accident that demonstrators had signs in English.

#2 | Posted by vernon at 2009-06-19 05:07 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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"Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!"


Sometimes, regardless of the size of the opponent, you have to stand up for what is right.


Regan understood that. Bush understood that. Even Clinton understood that (sending troops into Kosovo).


Sadly, Obama is following in the wobbly and weak-kneed steps of the likes of Jimmy Carter.

#3 | Posted by 1libertarian at 2009-06-19 05:22 AM | Reply


TWO outstanding posts from two outstanding posters


and dont forget the REAGAN support of poland at the time

IF OBAMA had been president...do you think he would have told the russians to tear down that wall or ANY of the other things that led to the end of the cold war

OF COURSE not...he wouldnt want to "MEDDLE"..

what a pansy

Iran axis of evil..no way.
North Korea an axis of evil..no way.
Venezuela an axis of evil..no way.
United States an axis of evil..why yes! and I apologize for it.

--- Obama ---

After your kind has fuck us up, doesn't his apologies seem appropriate?

Righties are infinitely more unglued in today's age of Obama than they've been with any other Demo in office. At least in MY lifetime. And that goes back to FDR.

It's partly race, of course. If We Whites aren't in charge, the handbasket has left the station.

I'm convinced they'd make the same noises were Colin or Condi in the White House. But it's also their realizing. I think that they've become totally irrelevant. They're down to Sarah, Newt and Rush. Not exactly anything to inspire confidence even in their tiny minority.

I do fear that they will at least attempt a major assassination in the near future. herm

"Sadly, Obama is following in the wobbly and weak-kneed steps of the likes of Jimmy Carter."

Two American presidents light years above Nixon, Reagan and the Bushes. herm

But it's also their realizing. I think that they've become totally irrelevant....I do fear that they will at least attempt a major assassination in the near future. herm
#25 | Posted by herm

Add to that their perception of themselves as victimized voices of truth crying out in a wilderness of ignorance and wickedness and you see the concoting of a real witches' brew. The message of millenarian apocalypticism they convey is, to put it mildly, disturbing.

A point seemingly missing here is that the Iranian "government" is already blaming the US and the UK and "Zionist media" for the unrest. If we do more to encourage it at this point that will further their propaganda.

"A point seemingly missing here is that the Iranian "government" is already blaming the US and the UK and "Zionist media" for the unrest. If we do more to encourage it at this point that will further their propaganda."

Face it...they'll blame the U.S. no matter what we do or don't do.

Er...dumb ass who has Iran invaded???

How can you make a comparison with Nazi Germany if there is no invasion of another nation??

Never mind, you don't even understand the question....

#13 | Posted by danni at 2009-06-19

and of course you make no mention of the fact that iran supports the killing of americans with support to terrorist nations and groups and with all of the iranian weapons found in iraq ...I submit that they have been at war with us when they do this

"Never mind, you don't even understand the question...."
#13 | Posted by danni at 2009-06-19


Jeez, Danni, you need to stop ASKING questions. NOBODY here can understand them. Could it have anything to do with you and that bong?

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