A public option has about a 70 percent approval rating among the public, who have been waiting for one for about 40 years now.

Let's hope that 70% approval translates into some serious arm-twisting with the congressmen and senators.

The insurance weasels are far ahead of the voters in applying pressure and financial bribes to said politicians. The insurance lobby has already purchased right-wing media propaganda in huge amounts. They even have paid shills on most blogs.

Unless the 70% make it perfectly clear that they will be voting this issue come election time, I'm afraid the politicians will just do whatever the insurance lobby tells them to do.

Call, write, call, write....tell Democrats to do what they were elected to do.

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#4 | Posted by Corky

Is that you Ed Schultz? LOL!

Actually, I agree it needs to be considered.

You sheep have no idea what is comming down the pike.

#6 | Posted by chickenrancher

What is coming down the pike Chicken?

Care to enlighten us?

Obama wants to destroy the private health care system.

It will cost over a trillion dollars--no way to pay for it. 10 billion a month for 10 years.

And people bitch about 1 billion per month in Iraq.

And all to add 16 million people into the system.

That's it--16 million!

What about the other 31 million uninsured?

And they are going to break Medicare--it's already scheduled to go broke in 7 years.

Obama is a nuts and that little toto Sebelius is too.

And when they break and destroy the health insurance industry--there goes another 2 million jobs.

Making Danni and San very happy.

Tell me how the French can have a system much like the one Obama is trying to get and get it for half of what we now pay Murphy????
Scare tactics, that's all you got.
You don't even know what other countries actually have because you never checked it out for yourself, you just listen to the liars who are well paid by the insurance companies.

republican party, the party of Fear, Hate and Lies. and the beat goes on

And when they break and destroy the health insurance industry--there goes another 2 million jobs.

Making Danni and San very happy.

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Yes, it's better to provide shit care at inflated costs to subsidize insurance mafia jobs. Sound like a pro-union man to me. Schmuck.

What is coming down the pike Chicken?

He only knows what Rush tells him to think.

And when they break and destroy the health insurance industry--there goes another 2 million jobs.

I thought the right wing moonbats were in favor of competition.

What they are afraid of is the public plan providing the same or better benefits at lower cost. They are pissing their pants at any idea that will expose the sham for-profit companies perpetuate.

And people bitch about 1 billion per month in Iraq.

Get your facts straight.

#7 | Posted by Prolix247

if we are a type or shadow of israel, we are about to be punished severely.

Tell me how the French can have a system much like the one Obama is trying to get and get it for half of what we now pay... ????

#10 | Posted by danni

An individual income tax rate of over 50%. How's that grab y'a?

See a graph here for a snapshot of tax rates of selected countries:

Sebelius was the gov. who backed Tiller the Baby Killer. She has no credibility.

Government competition means government takeover. Get ready for Army style/VA health care.

Call, write, call, write....tell Democrats to do what they were elected to do.

#3 | Posted by danni

Why, they will pass it anyway.

I thought this administration believed in "PAY-GO"

She was only partly right. It's the government that needs the competition.

All the reichwing fear mongering doesn't change the fact that just about all of the rest of the industrialized world seems to be able to provide their populations with national health care without going bankrupt.

America doesn't have it and we are still bailing out the banks.

Something is askew...

#18 | Posted by fwthom

Are the walls of the basement where you type this stuff damp? Is your food delivered through a slot in the door or under it?

Doctors offices won't accept it, so it doesn't matter. Great, you'll have insurance, but what good is that if no one will see you with it?

sha, if you want to pay a person's (you don't know) medical bills go right ahead. It isn't MY job. They don't have a RIGHT to FREE medical care at my EXPENCE.

I find it ironic that the same people (including myself) that have made it heard that they want out of Iraq, also want to trust their very lives to the same people that have proven they don't give a shit about what you think. Health care problems should be solved at the state level. Oregon is doing an increasingly good job in this regard.

"All the reichwing fear mongering doesn't change the fact that just about all of the rest of the industrialized world seems to be able to provide their populations with national health care without going bankrupt."

In fact they aren't going bankrupt in part because they do have national health care insurance. We have the least efficient, most expensive system possible and it is killing thousands of businesses and making others less competitive against foreign competitors.

they have competition - they compete with each other.

"they have competition - they compete with each other."

hahahahahahhahahahahaha!!!!

That's cute NANC.

"We have the least efficient, most expensive system possible and it is killing thousands of businesses and making others less competitive against foreign competitors."

Why?? It hasn't always been this way. What happened? I want a thesis....

they have competition - they compete with each other.

Then why the righttard panty wading over another competitor?

Competition is good right?

America doesn't have it and we are still bailing out the banks.

It is all the greedy people who forced the banks to loan them money they could not repay.

#28 | Posted by danni

what do you think of hsa's, danni? they seem the way to go for unusually healthy people. the rates are low, the deductions high and if you don't use it, the money carries over to the next year. they're also tax free. quite competitive if you ask me and even if you don't.

Danni, it seems your France model was easily dissected in #17. Care to comment on that well thought out and cogent retort to your sputtering? Or just gloss over it?

"what do you think of hsa's, danni?"

Like you say NANC, great for healthy folks, not so good for the rest. My daughter has one, she needed an MRI and it cost her $2,000.
Also, when you take all the healthy people out of the system then you are left with just the elderly and the ill which will just drive rates through the roof or require an awful lot of government subsidy like Medicare. If instead we put all the healthy people right into Medicare with the elderly and the ill all would have good care, choose their own doctors and the cost would be the least possible for all. Remember, we are paying for Medicare for the elderly and disabled anyway, it wouldn't cost that much more, per capita, to include young healthy people into the risk pool.

NETHER

"An individual income tax rate of over 50%. How's that grab y'a?"

First, their tax rate pays for much more than just health care.
Secondly, if you add your tax with your cost for health care then you will approach or surpass that amount right here.

I want a thesis....

#29 | Posted by jsprague

My high school principal's name was Jack Sprague. Is there any relation?

danni - your daughter is one in 300 million - should healthier people be responsible for her care? if she has enough in her account, she can write a check for it.

He only knows what Rush tells him to think.

#13 | Posted by 726 at 2009-06-18 08:34 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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And when they break and destroy the health insurance industry--there goes another 2 million jobs.

I thought the right wing moonbats were in favor of competition.

What they are afraid of is the public plan providing the same or better benefits at lower cost. They are pissing their pants at any idea that will expose the sham for-profit companies perpetuate.

#14 | Posted by 726 at 2009-06-18 08:37 AM | Reply | Flag:

first line ...BULLSHIT...this is the line used when liberals know they 'aint' got 'nuttin'
and its still amazing that libs get thier news from cnn and msnbc and the 'big three' and then try and make it seem like the only bias is on fox or rush

WHEN ABC has been swallowed up by the obama white house and will become "house nigras" for the president.

ONCE AND FOR ALL>.

THE GOVERNMENT HAS NO COMPETIION>.

thats why most government programs GO UNDER AND/OR suck

AIRBUS planes have trouble with tails falling off and they are government run.

you think the EDSEL or the pinto was bad..
wait until the GOVERNMENT MOTORS vehicles come out

and again..

THE GOVERNMENT HAS NO COMPETIION...or certainly wont soon after the SCREWIN begins

"danni - your daughter is one in 300 million - should healthier people be responsible for her care?"

That is how insurance works NANC. I didn't wreck my car either but I still pay for insurance in case I do.

FACT FROM HEALTH CARE HEARINGS ON CSPAN yesterday

dems say care will cost one trillion

CBO says it will cost more like FOUR trillion and will only cover 16 of that BULLSHIT number the dems say are supposed to get health care.

you remember that number

47 or so

ten of which includes people who are elible for other programs who havent bothered to sign up
14 of which are families who CHOSE NOT to have health care

and an UNKNOWN NUmber who ARE ILLEGALS AND NOT AMERICAN CITIzENS
WHo dont DESeRVE HeALTH CARE supplied by the american tax payer..

ALL info above from health care hearing in the US senate.

"thats why most government programs GO UNDER AND/OR suck"

Yeah, I'm sure you won't be signing up for Medicare when you can....hypocrit.

"CBO says it will cost more like FOUR trillion and will only cover 16 of that BULLSHIT number the dems say are supposed to get health care."

how much does it cost now???

Sounds like you are making an argument for single payer...it's the only real way to make health care affordable and cover everyone.

thats right danni

its a gamble isnt it..
you dont WANT to use it but then again..why pay all that and not use it.......

and I was thinking back to the accidents I was in and not a one involved some guy with a mercedes or bmw so I could screw him out of a new vehicle for me...
oh well

WHEN health cares free I wont have to worry about paying for anything.........yeah right...

let me try this once more
I have been paying into medicare since it was first taken out of paychecks and continue to this day.
so just like you pay your insurance payments on that car and when you need that service you will have it because you have PAID FOR IT

well so have I for medicare and I dont understand whats so hard in that concept for you to understand.

danni - i know a couple of people with over 30 grand in their accounts - could your daughter be abusing her account by using it to make "other than medical" payments?

this potus will more than likely begin taxing hsa's as i stated many months ago and was laughed at.

the cost is too much but thats only part of it

if you and the others here dont think that this phrase will affect you then you are really blind to the facts...

"comparative effective research"

and when the government pays the bill, ony blind partisans believe that they wont be calling the shots and telling you when you can be seen and what you can have done and anything NOT COST EFFECTIVE will be denied you
disbelieve that at your own risk.

#35 | Posted by danni

"First, their tax rate pays for much more than just health care."

Yes it does. An extensive and efficient pubtrans system for one - but note that without massive tax subsidies, that marvelous pubtrans system would be too expensive for your average Jean Bouteille-de-Vin to ride.

Our taxes also pay for more than just guns and bombs. In the US we do have the MedicAir/MedicAid withholding, though those benefits are limited and granted only to select groups.

"Secondly, if you add your tax with your cost for health care then you will approach or surpass that amount right here."

Yes. No. In the more socialized countries, the choice is taken away. You get what you are levied y for and what you get is what their haricot counters decide. Nor is it entirely "free." There are co-pays.

Yes, everybody is covered. But the extent of the coverage and the response time for treatment varies greatly from country to country. The UK is always held up as the example of socialized/nationalized healthcare and how bad it can be. It is unfair to hold up England as The Example for all socialized/nationalized healthcare systems. But across the Continent, it can be very good. But again, costs/taxes vary. Belgium, one of the smallest countries, yanks out more Euros from personal income than the rest of the EU: up to 60% individual.

Here in the US, there are multiple levels of healthcare than can be privately purchased: from emergency care only/hospitalization coverage costing as little as $100 a month to full blown fix every little sniff and scratch for $400+ a month individual.

Americans will squawk greatly if a socialized/nationalized healthcare system is instituted and suddenly their net pay drops 20%. Americans have not been indoctrinated for decades into such a system like the Euros. If, the Big If, the system does work and everybody gets what they need, and the benefits are perceived to outweigh the Big Paw of government grabbing out a large chunk of one's income, then Americans may smooth out. But if the system is nothing more than yet another boondoggle...

this potus will more than likely begin taxing hsa's as i stated many months ago and was laughed at.

#46 | Posted by nanc at 2009-06-

nanc

I believe this is a more appropriate way to state your comment

this potus will more than likely begin taxing.............ANY DAMN THING HE PLEASES without being called on any campaign promise or statement he may have made in his whole political life.........

and the left will still SUCK THAT SHIT RIGHT UP and then call us gullible

AIRBUS planes have trouble with tails falling off and they are government run.

#38 | Posted by afkabl2

That is such a crap statement coming from you. One recent incident and the entire AirBus industry is discredited?

Can you say "Boeing 737"?

The gov't kills competition--they never create competition.

well here is proof of what dems are trying to bring us
dont believe me. but listen to the words of people in health care systems that dems want to bring tO YOU AND ME...

That is such a crap statement coming from you. One recent incident and the entire AirBus industry is discredited?

Can you say "Boeing 737"?

#50 | Posted by ZOT at 200

okay so there was someone on tv or radio who has a bet with his listeners or watchers.
he says he has a thousand bucks for anyone who can show him a government run program that isnt a disastor...and YEAH sure its his definition of disastor but its also his GRAND too......

so you tell me
government program that is a success and why??

not the post office as far as service in the actual post office

not medicare...its set to go under in 8 or 9 years

social security maybe.,..SAME THING...

the DMV...yeah sure....

WELFARE....its okay since REPUBLICANS REFORMED IT...

so what else you got
and if YOU Come up with something I'll find out who it was that talked about the thousand bucks and you and me can split it

When the insurance companies manage to keep costs within the boundaries of inflation then and only then will anyone have a legitimare argument that government can't manage things....obviously neither can the insurance companies. On top of that, insurance companies are incentivized to make damn sure costs rise because it increases their profits.
If we keep the system we have now health insurance will continue to take a higher and higher percentage of our incomes every single year.
In truth, we can't afford not to have a government option.

danni - could your daughter be abusing her hsa?

In truth, we can't afford not to have a government option.

#54 | Posted by danni

danni - right now we cannot afford our government.

"danni - could your daughter be abusing her hsa?"

What are you talking about?

"okay so there was someone on tv or radio who has a bet with his listeners or watchers.
he says he has a thousand bucks for anyone who can show him a government run program that isnt a disastor...and YEAH sure its his definition of disastor but its also his GRAND too......"

Show me a health care insurance company that keeps prices within the range of inflation. It is quite obvious that the insurance industry cannot run health care effectively, someone else is going to have to take over. I suggest Medicare which operates on a tiny fraction of the administrative costs.

danni

if you are trying to get me to defend insurance companies now its not going to happen

but why not spend resouces on TORT reform..the figure spent on doctors defending themselves is about a third of this first down payment obama wants to spend

AND all of the extra things that doctors have us do in order to keep the lawyer out of his business..such as duple tests and such...

and look at the apporpriate site on doctors who have given up "birthin those babies'..
the doc who delivered my son stopped soon after that one because his insurance costs too much...

and on and on...there are few people who dont want health care reform
but this ISNT REFORM...its an altering that will kill arugably the best health care system in the world

AND CANADA at one time had almost as large of a R and D program that we do.

and WHY WAS IT cut in half or more

WHEN they went to JUST what dems want us to go to and it became to expensive......

BREAST CANCER RATE IN great britain

well just listen to the woman on the link I provided

she says...CANCER IN great britian is a 'death sentence' I believe is how she puts it.

What are you talking about?

#57 | Posted by danni

if she didn't have $2,000 at least in her account to pay for an mri, it seems she may be using the money for other things? $2,000 would seem like a minimal amount of money to have in an hra, that's all.

Health care reform is on the fast track in Washington. The elites have promised to pass a bill quickly, even though their specific proposals and how to pay for them have been very slow in coming. So legislation is speeding down the track without all the cars attached and without any idea how much fuel is needed to make it to the station. We don't know yet whether this train will deliver its passengers safely or if we're headed for a train wreck.

I believe our top priority should be to lower the cost of health care, without reducing quality or access to care. Rising health care costs make it hard to make ends meet, whether you're putting together a family budget or a business plan. Health care costs have risen far faster than inflation in both good economic times and bad. Costs have forced many self-employed workers into the ranks of the uninsured. The American health care system now costs twice as much per capita as those in most of the developed world.

AND MORE FROM MY newsletter from senator cornyn

I believe we can lower the cost of health care without giving Washington more control over the decisions of doctors and patients. Yet more control in Washington is the vision behind the government plan proposed by Senator Edward Kennedy. To his credit, Senator Kennedy is the only Democrat on either end of Pennsylvania Avenue who has provided legislative detail on his specific health care reform proposals this year. But the more we learn about these proposals, the more concerned Americans should be that Washington elites will not fix the problems in our health care system, but only make them worse.

First, Senator Kennedy's bill will cost at least $1 trillion over the next ten years and that's just the beginning. The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office estimates that this huge price tag will reduce the net uninsured population by less than 30 percent. The taxpayers' $1 trillion does not include the cost of increasing eligibility for Medicaid for people up to 50 percent above the poverty line.

Second, Senator Kennedy's bill includes a government-run health care plan that will force at least 15 million people to lose their current private health insurance. The Congressional Budget Office recognizes that no current provider can long compete against a government that calls the balls and strikes even as it takes the field. According to the independent Lewin Group, a government plan could eventually take away current health benefits from 119 million Americans, and force 130 million Americans into a Washington-run health care plan.

Third, a new Washington-run plan will increase the cost of private insurance. "Cost-shifting" occurs when a health care provider accepts low government reimbursement rates, but only if it can charge extra to those with private insurance. This cost-shifting acts like a hidden tax on millions of American families and small businesses. One respected actuary estimates that cost-shifting increases the average American family's health care premium by more than 10 percent, or more than $1,500. Adding another new government health care plan on top of Medicare and Medicaid will only increase this cost.

Fourth, a new Washington-run plan would lead to government rationing of health care. Just look at the results in Canada. Thousands of our friends to the north come to the United States every year for life-saving surgeries, after their government has told them they'll just have to wait. Various studies suggest that Canadians, especially the poor, are less healthy under socialized medicine than those in our own country. More and more Canadians want to reduce the role of government and expand private options for health care, even as elites in Washington want to move America in the opposite direction.

Fifth, a new government plan would replicate the model of Medicare and Medicaid, which illustrate everything that can go wrong with Washington-run health care. Costs for both plans have exploded. Low reimbursement rates force many providers out of the system, and many patients to long waiting lines. Taxpayers pay up to $90 billion a year in fraudulent and wasteful medical bills, about two-thirds of that in the Medicare program alone.

The Kennedy Bill has other provisions that would increase Washington's control of our health care system including new punitive tax increases. If a family doesn't have a Washington-regulated health care plan, they would pay a new tax. If a small business owner doesn't offer a Washington-regulated plan for every employee, then she would pay a new tax. These tax increases are designed not to raise revenue to pay for health care, but to punish families and businesses that step out of line.

There are alternatives to a Washington takeover of the health care system, and the best of them will give patients more control over their care. Innovators in both government and the private sector have learned that empowering patients as consumers can lower costs. They've learned that the right incentives can encourage patients to make healthier choices, and providers to compete for their business. These are the ideas that can drive successful reform of our health care system.

Health care reform can be successful if we take the time to get it right. If our experience with the Stimulus Bill tells us anything, it's that when Congress acts too quickly, it often delivers bad policy. I will insist that the Administration and Congressional leaders give the American people plenty of time to understand their proposals, and decide what they mean for themselves and their families. Washington elites want to dictate to the American people the future of health care, but I believe the best solutions will come when Washington begins to listen

The government needs to compete with private business.. that statement just a few months ago would have been considered inane.. but with the press continuing to masturbate at every utterance of the Obama administration, somehow, its reported as respectable and reasonable.

It ain't.

Government health care, pushed by people claiming a crisis where none exists, are in effect overlooking the real problems in order to push the socialists' dream of government controlled healthcare.

The bright spot here, is that even some democrats are beginning to notice that this emperor is naked.

he says he has a thousand bucks for anyone who can show him a government run program that isnt a disastor...and YEAH sure its his definition of disastor but its also his GRAND too......

so you tell me
government program that is a success and why??

and if YOU Come up with something I'll find out who it was that talked about the thousand bucks and you and me can split it

#53 | Posted by afkabl2

Disaster... Hmmmmmmm... Certainly the Guv has had its less than shiny stellar moments - NOLA-FEMA: really bad. But up until recently, it certainly has not been all bad, mostly good.

And the blame is not to be placed entirely (yet) at the feet of the Big O.

But for the most part, The System seems to work pretty damn well, whether in the private sector, the public sector, or the combination of both.

My city-owned and operated utility company: 99.5% good if not a wee bit better.

Never had a problem with my mail service.
Roads are mostly good. Being fixed/ expanded/ enhanced all the time.

And so forth...

In my tiny little piece of the world, it's all pretty good (I imagine if I lived in that sewer that is LA for example, I would be so optimistic). Of course, that could quickly change to mostly crappy. Doesn't take much.

What is being danced around here is whether or not the Guv can administer a national healthcare system in which everybody is treated and the doctors still get their new Benz SLKs each year.

We all pay, one way or the other. We all end up paying for each other one way or the other.

IMHO, maybe, just maybe, a national healthcare system wouldn't be all bad (and this is a huge concession for me with the Libertarian mindset I have). But the people have to contribute and have to work for it. Co-pays would, I believe, go a long way towards deterring folk just coming in for a scratch or a sniffle.

Correction: I would NOT be so optimistic.

But the people have to contribute and have to work for it.

good luck with that....

From your cut and paste AFKABL2

"Fourth, a new Washington-run plan would lead to government rationing of health care. Just look at the results in Canada."

Never mind that the plan proposed is NOTHING LIKE THE PLAN IN CANADA!!!
Typically dishonest right wing attempt to make a case for the insurance companies who rip us off.

I have to wonder why do righties care so much about insurance companies???

danni

you are just blindly accepting the dem notion of what it is ...

and dont for one second try and make me sympathetic to insurance companies because you would be wrong.
WAY OFF and wrong and I think you know that...

I really think they should TAKE SOME time and look real closely into this CO OP idea they have bantied about some
AH BUT YOU see...its the old OBAMA STIMULUS LIE

MUST HAVE IT TODAY...or ELSE...

DANNI

if you get cspan..make sure and watch some of the senate hearings....it can be quite enlightening by all measures or what side you may be on..
the time these people waste on things that dont matter....

"I really think they should TAKE SOME time and look real closely into this CO OP idea they have bantied about some"

Man...you are pathetic...you'll take whatever bone thry throw out. That is just an attempt to divert attention from the public option plan....the insurance companies are telling their Congress men and women (who they own) to do anything to derail the public option because it will slow down their gravy train.

#18 | Posted by fwthom

Are the walls of the basement where you type this stuff damp? Is your food delivered through a slot in the door or under it?

#22 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis

doc, you have one hell-of a good arguement for government run health insurance (health care).

Do you ever come up with anything other than insulting someone?

Is Nanc trying to imply that Danni's daughter is getting abortions?

"Do you ever come up with anything other than insulting someone?"

Yes, I certainly do. But not for cretins like you and fwthom. Cretins on this site get the healthily heavy dose of derision they deserve.

Here's one for you, Snoops: Are you ever going to supply credible information and video clips to support your contention about documentation having to do with John Kerry's behavior on 9/11, or are you just going to let it go with one blast out of your ass and lots of skeedaddling?

Do you ever come up with anything other than insulting someone?
#72 | Posted by Sniper

If flowering bullshit were music, he would be a brass band.
Posted by Sniper

I'm not sure where you went to school but.....
Posted by Sniper

So your implication is that it's okay and accurate for Republicans to say that Democratic women are ugly?
#20 | Posted by dylanfan
Name a couple in the national dem party that arn't.
Posted by Sniper

Texas does have a surplus. Of stupidity.
#32 | Posted by micawber
Not since you left.
Posted by Sniper

I think doc spends most of his life in a dream world and wouldn't know a fact if it bit him on the ass.
Posted by Sniper

I don't know you so I won't call you any names like some do here on the dr.
Posted by Sniper

What do you think potato head?
Posted by Sniper

Like any of them pay taxes on their welfare checks!!!
#36 | Posted by axe
I guess you would be the one in the know about that.
Posted by Sniper

The dow is going up and down faster then McToast's dick when he introduced Palin as his mate.
#6 | Posted by northguy3
I guess you know that because you were hanging on to it.
Posted by Sniper

I realized, ahh, another tea-bagger.
#7 | Posted by Scrumplet
I guess you could tell because he was sitting on your face.
Posted by Sniper

Do you pay income taxes or are you one of thoes lazy people on the dole?
Posted by Sniper

Michael Kinsley needs his nuts cut off if he has any.
Posted by Sniper

I guess that means you are screwing yourself. Does it feel good?
Posted by Sniper

Your post is dumb.
Posted by Sniper

Don't be a dope.
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Yeah, Snoops, a regular little gentleman. I think I'll just call you "Little Lord Fauntelroy" from now on. LOL.

#73 | Posted by snoofy

no, but i've heard of people making their house and car payments out of their hsa accounts.

And you need to find you another sugar daddy since tiller the killer bit the dust.

This cracks me up, I don't want competition, I want lower effordable healthcare and at the current system with supposed competition it ain't effordable. So the private system crap can go fuck themselves.

This cracks me up, I don't want competition, I want lower effordable healthcare and at the current system with supposed competition it ain't effordable. So the private system crap can go fuck themselves.

So in other words, you want ME to pay for your healthcare? What a productive person you must aspire to be.

"So in other words, you want ME to pay for your healthcare?"

In the big picture, he wants you to join him to bring the overall cost of healthcare down. This CAN be done, but only if we all join in the concerted effort.

With him? Against him?

danforth - we have a very healthy family of four - minimal health care needed and can usually afford a $60-$85 trip to the doctor every five to eight years - why should WE pay for people who go to the doctor every stinking time someone who has a fever over 98.6 thinks they need to go to the doctor? why should we pay for abortions if we're willing to take their child and bring it up? why should we pay for some fat asses diet pills? NO! this brings whole new meaning to "to each according to their ability". i'm against him. as is my family. we have access to FREE healthcare but have used it minimally in emergencies only on a few occasions in 52 years. NO! our children don't even apply for the FREE school physicals - we pay for them! NO! get healthy or die america. besides that, this government doesn't really want u.s. healthy - they want u.s. to rely on their handouts.

So in other words, you want ME to pay for your healthcare? What a productive person you must aspire to be.

Damn right, I want the health care and you should have to pay for me and all the other people who can't efford healthcare, you have abused us long enough. You lordship of reign is coming to an end.

you have abused us long enough. You lordship of reign is coming to an end.

I've never abused you or anyone else. Does that mean I don't have to pay for anyone else's health care?

#82 | Posted by moneywar

if this plan goes through, i plan to manufacture an ailment a week until the program goes broke and i know others who will do the same.

I really think they should TAKE SOME time and look real closely into this CO OP idea they have bantied about some"

Man...you are pathetic...you'll take whatever bone thry throw out

so Im pathetic because I want them to slow down and Maybe ACTUALLY READ WHAT they vote on this time and maybe even come up with ANOTHER OPtion that all sides can agree on..

wow..what the fuck was I thinking...

we have access to FREE healthcare

#81 | Posted by nanc

FREE! Free to you perhaps, but someone does indeed pay for it. I would guess "the benefits of native american health care" are provided by the taxpayers. Even if you only use it minimally, one major incident could cost 10's of thousands and you'd be covered, probably without having to declare bankruptcy.

if this plan goes through, i plan to manufacture an ailment a week until the program goes broke and i know others who will do the same.

#84 | Posted by nanc

So, even though you are already part of socialized medicine, you'd attempt to deny anyone else reasonable benefits (even if it was set up such that we'd have to pay something for said benefits), because other people may abuse it? The only thing I can imagine is that you are afraid that somewhere in the process you will lose your "FREE" benefits. What a selfish person you are.

#84 | Posted by nanc

#85 | Posted by afkabl2

Oh..look, how amusing! Here are two righties who have benefited specifically from socialism, bitching about the possibility of some socialism.

Actually, you both make me nauseous.

nice try what..."aint" working though is it??

and anyone who is even close to a political junkie or remotely interested in the prospective TRAGEDY
should be watching cspan

they have had every min of senate hearing on this bullshit and it has been GREAT TV...

especially when the one R made a comment about dems only worrying about thier "contributors who may be upset'

wow..the dems went balistic there...the little toads cant stand the heat...

#88 | Posted by Whatsleft

take it to the doctor!

how about that nanc

we make him sick to his stomach

too bad and I REALLY feel sorry for him..dont you???

I pay a lot of money for insurance every year.

When I didn't have insurance years ago, I paid the bills for all healthcare my family ever received, including the births of two children, out of pocket.

I've never had healthcare paid for by ANY government entity.

Neither one of you bitches can make all of those claims, yet I'm the leftist socialist because I would like to see reasonable healthcare, that doesn't cause poverty, for all of us. I can't believe either of you have enough brain activity to breath.

- I can't believe either of you have enough brain activity to breath.

It's hard werk.