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Monday, June 15, 2009

The Obama administration's response to Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's fraudulent election victory is cowardly, lily-livered and wrong. The White House's refusal to officially question the result or even condemn the brutal suppression of opposition protestors, is undermining America's standing as a global power, and is little more than a face-saving, cynical exercise in appeasement that will all end in tears.

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To those -- to those who would tear the world down: We will defeat you. To those who seek peace and security: We support you. And to all those who have wondered if America's beacon still burns as bright: Tonight we proved once more that the true strength of our nation comes not from the might of our arms or the scale of our wealth, but from the enduring power of our ideals: democracy, liberty, opportunity and unyielding hope.

--Barry O.

To those -- to those Iranians who stand for freedom, I say........

(crickets)

And to all those watching tonight from beyond our shores, from parliaments and palaces, to those who are huddled around radios in the forgotten corners of the world, our stories are singular, but our destiny is shared, and a new dawn of American leadership is at hand.

--Barack Hussein

(Iranian translation: Bullshit, bullshit, bullshit)

To those -- to those Iranians who stand for freedom, I say........

I have backed myself into a corner and no matter what I do it will suck for me.

If Barack cared about freedom he would have said something by now. Instead, his silence speaks for him

CHANGE WE CAN COUNT ON: Obama is simply a go with the flow PUSSY he will not say or do a damn thing in the name of DEMOCRACY once the demonstrations stop President Pussy will be more than happy to meet with the Iranian leader in the same way foreign leaders met with ADOLF HITLER.

Hey OBAMA are you going to recognize the newly elected government (LOL LOL LOL) or just stand there until the pigeons come along and shit on your head...


......you guys are dense........

...if an American president says that he supports one candidate over another......the one he says he supports immediately loses support and is branded an American Stooge.......

....making our preference known would be COUNTER-PRODUCTIVE......


......but I guess such nuance is lost on people like you.....

......but I guess such nuance is lost on people like you.....

#8 | Posted by skizziks

The ELECTION is over possibly you did not get the memo, this means Obama's silence is supportive of voter fraud and he is too cowardly to come out in support of Democrocy...

The ELECTION is over possibly you did not get the memo,
#9 | Posted by ATaxpayer

.....perhaps you did not get the memo but the Supreme Leader has decided to have a RECOUNT....

......its not over till the FAT MULLAH SINGS....

......from the newswire........

Monday, June 15, 2009
Recount 2009: Iran!
In what is most likely a superficial, but encouraging sign, the Supreme Leader of Iran (the one who actually holds all the power) has ordered a recount and investigation into the election:


Cookie's Rag Day.

Hey OBAMA are you going to recognize the newly elected government (LOL LOL LOL) or just stand there until the pigeons come along and shit on your head...



.....perhaps you did not get the memo but the Supreme Leader has decided to have a RECOUNT....


......its not over till the FAT MULLAH SINGS....

#10 | Posted by skizziks


I would bet if Hitler had a "recount" he would win again too. You know skizziks if you just started cheating on your taxes you would be a shoe in for a cabinet position...

You know skizziks if you just started cheating on your taxes you would be a shoe in for a cabinet position...

#13 | Posted by ATaxpayer

.......why thank you for the complement.......

...I'm quite certain that you also possess some hidden qualities.....

.....deeply, deeply hidden qualities......

what kind of dumb, desperate shit is this? do the rtards have so little pride left that they need to create something, anything to piss their pants? Keep on mewling you fucking pussies.

(Iranian translation: Bullshit, bullshit, bullshit)

#2 | Posted by cookfish at 2009-06-15 02:32 PM | Reply |

Translation: I'm angry that there is a glimmer of hope for democracy in iran and that obama might have sent a message of hope to those who are now risking their lives to protest the results, while i shit my pants and blubber inane accusations.

while i shit my pants and blubber inane accusations.
#16 | Posted by panchovilla

.........and I thought I was having a rough Monday......

Yes you are both right I mean left, Obama is helping to promote Democracy for the Iranian people by using SILENCE against amhadajiahad. So far this has worked for many dictators Adolf Hitler, Hugo Chaves, Fidel Castro...

Obama is helping to promote Democracy for the Iranian people by using SILENCE against amhadajiahad.

#18 | Posted by ATaxpayer

Yeah, I mean, its not like he gave a personal speech directly to the people of Iran just a few weeks ago, or anything.

i wonder if his silence has anything to do with health care?

i wonder if his silence has anything to do with health care?

#20 | Posted by nanc

More likely it has to do with his being considerably smarter than his predecessor, and, apparently, many of the right-wing posters here in understanding that even in disagreement, Iranians are EXTREMELY patriotic toward their country and don't like anything that smacks of interference from outside.

Sort of like Americans, in that regard, doncha think?

#21 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue

What if he said:

"It's unfortunate that the Iranian people voted against their own self-interest."

Democrats do that all of the time regarding Red-state southerners.

As do poor white rednecks who depend on gov't assistance and vote for GOP corporate whores.

"It's unfortunate that the Iranian people voted against their own self-interest."

#22 | Posted by JeffJ

Because we don't really know yet if they did, right?

The White House press office, the Vice President, and the State Department have issued statements about being concerned about what's happening there.

What else, exactly, should they be doing at this point that wouldn't likely exacerbate the situation?


Yeah, I mean, its not like he gave a personal speech directly to the people of Iran just a few weeks ago, or anything.

#19 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue

Obama should go to the Iranian people again and give a speech about how good it is to be a part of democracy. I mean not everyone gets to vote like they do in Iran, people could just stay home as the winner has already been decided for you by the government. That would be CHANGE THEY CAN COUNT ON right

#25 | Posted by ATaxpayer

I see. So according to you, if he doesn't say anything he's wrong, and if he says something he's wrong.

Seems to pretty much follow the standard from the right these days.

I was actually sort of agreeing with your point.


How well has the Dems accusations of southerners voting against their own interests worked out?

Attempting to woo people by basically telling them they are a bunch of morons who don't even know what is most important to themselves is a horrible strategy.

I agree with you too, JeffJ. I just like ridiculing rednecks on this site, because it throws a few of our resident rednecks into a tizzy.

"What else, exactly, should they be doing at this point that wouldn't likely exacerbate the situation?"

The right wing lunatics posting on this thread think he ought to nuke Iran half the time and support the protesting students the other half.
What they really want is for Obama to do anything which will embarrass Obama. Keep hoping lunatics, so far he is doing pretty well on foreign policy especially.

"How well has the Dems accusations of southerners voting against their own interests worked out?"

Well, majority in both houses of Congress and the Presidency. Pretty well it seems.

What they really want is for Obama to do anything

The mullet head finally gets one right!

The mullet head finally gets one right!

#31 | Posted by cookfish

We know you've had a bad day today here on the DR, Cookie. Why not finish it up by getting your ass kicked by Danni too?

Iranians are EXTREMELY patriotic toward their country and don't like anything that smacks of interference from outside.

#21 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue

Not to mention they still remember the last time westerners interfered and overthrew their democratically-elected leader to install the Shah...much better than do the rightwingers here on DR.

So, what's your solution, Cookie? Bomb all the "mud people"? I know you'd have a sperm-encrusted gym-sock to show for it if this were the case, but really - what else would be accomplished?

Can any of you republicans name any other Government Leader that has said anything about the Iranian election?

I dont think its cowardly silence at all. its silence because he is waiting to see what happens and if you saw the undersecretary of state I believe is his title, they dont know what to say yet anyway.

of course this whole thing seems to have caught him off guard since he expected the iranians to fall lockstep into his pile of shit just like dems here have..

proof...thats easy when the first news came out of iran that there was record voting and he 'stepped' into it then...( reason why he is waiting now and I agree)...

when he said he was happy with the debate there and then of course like any texbook narcisist..he siad

"after the speech I made'.....thats I as in obama..

so again.... the silence isnt cowardly......why should we bitch about any politicain keeping his mouth shut

President Barack Obama on Monday said Iranian voters have a right to feel their ballots mattered and urged the investigation into vote-rigging allegations to go forward without additional violence.
From huffington post -

Obama on Iranian Elections
................
Obama said reports of violence that followed Iranian elections trouble him and all Americans. He said peaceful dissent should never be subject to violence that followed weekend elections that gave President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad a second term.

"It would be wrong for me to be silent on what we've seen on the television the last few days," Obama told reporters at the White House.

Obama said he had no way of knowing the results were valid -- he said the United States had no election monitors in the country -- but it was important that the voters' choices
.....................

Are you guys happy now???

Are you guys happy now???

#36 | Posted by Prolix247

No! If he hadn't said anything then he should have. Or if he said something then he shouldn't have.

-The Right


Ok here is what he has said about the Iranian elections. Fishy, are you sad that he is not going to invade or even threatening to do so?

www.washingtonpost.com

Welcome to W's presidency, Rogue.

No matter which action he took, it was berated.

To describe the whining of the Party of No bots as a sign of density (as #7 | Posted by skizziks puts it succinctly and well) is understatement.

The rightoids would have Obama say what, exactly, about the "election" in Iran? Speak so the announced loser looks like an American tool, thereby painting the Iranians into a corner where people are fully ignorant as the tightie righties would be free to attack them as enemies of the nation?

Obama has taken exactly the right position on this: stay the hell out of it for now. There's nothing he can say -- there's damn sure nothing the US can do -- that will in any way affect the situation in a positive way.

All this whinging about "change" and "no change" with respect to Obama by those on the radical right fringe has sunk to the level of self-paraody. If he doesn't signify change, then why are you morons whining about him? You didn't want change and if he's not bringing any then you've got exactly what you want. But if he is bringing change you don't like, try setting forth your alternatives and discussing them instead of behaving like spoiled children. If you wonder why the American people aren't moving in your direction and why they've left you clowns in the dust, the answer is as close as the nearest mirror.

Excerpts from Five Conservative Falacies on Post-Election Iraq by Patrick Barry (www.huffingtonpost.com):

Amidst widespread speculation about whether the Obama administration is treating the situation in Iran correctly, it's important to point out that conservative commentary has not only been scattered and incoherent, but totally wrong on the substance. From what I can tell, there are 5 strains of conservative arguments on Iran - none of them coming close to being credible:

1) Obama administration wrong about robust debate within Iran. ...[But] Mousavi himself called for Iran to embrace the Obama administration's offer of dialogue, saying that the "taboo in this country about talking to America had been lifted." The fact that Iranians have protested the results so vigorously after elections widely seen as illegitimate is a testament to the strong desire for better relations with the West.

2) Obama administration must intervene on behalf of the demonstrators in Iran. Of all the conservative arguments on Iran, this is the most compelling, as it plays on American's justified sympathy for the Iranian people...[But this] would be incredibly damaging to the Iranian opposition. Iran expert Trita Parsi defends the policy of non-intervention an interview with the Washington Independent: "If the administration is saying things or doing things before Mousavi and the opposition figures out what the plan is, then that's a real problem, because then it seems like it's between Ahmadinejad and the west and not Ahmadinejad and the opposition. So the administration is doing exactly the right thing."
(Continued)

3) Demonstrations in Iran justify the invasion of Iraq. I kid you not. According to Al Kamen, former Bush press secretary Ari Fleischer made this flabbergasting claim in an email to Gless Kessler:

"Shiites in particular see Shiites in Iraq having more freedoms than they do. Bush's tough policies have helped give rise to the reformists and I think we're witnessing that today."

Of course in real life, we know that Bush's invasion of Iraq strengthened hardliners in Iran, gave them the ability to "influence all the region's security dilemmas" and left the regime closer to nuclear breakout ability. As former Undersecretary of State for Political Affairs Nick Burns (a guy who spent the waining days of his career keeping Iran policy out of the clutches of guys like Fleischer) put it at last Thursday's CNAS conference, it was in all likelihood Obama's strategy of engagement, not the invasion of Iraq, that "effectively has put Ahmadinejad on [the] defensive prior to this election because of our ability now to open up the vista for the possibility of negotiations."

4) Only the toppling of the Islamic Republic can resolve the crisis between Iran and the West. No surprise that John Bolton should use Iran's unrest to once again argue that the only solution is regime change....Not anything new per-se, but the current climate in Iran makes Bolton's arguments especially tin-eared.


5) Ahmadinejad won fair and square. Really Marty Paretz? Really?

"My impression is that the incumbent's margin of victory was too big to have been fraudulent and the loser's numbers also too big. Tyrannies don't play around with the numbers like this...Maybe the regime fiddled around a bit with the numbers at the polls and after the polling. Still, the outcome had a sense of authenticity."

I'm speechless, but if you want good rebuttals, I'd suggest checking out these posts by Gary Sick and Juan Cole - two experts eminently more reliable than Paretz - which show why Paretz's arguments are in all likelihood baseless. (You wonder why Paretz didn't feel like reading consulting Sick or Cole's blogs before he posted? Their analyses were available hours before his) Sullivan said it best - only a neocon would "desire an Ahamadinejad victory," but he forgets to add that only a neocon argue a point that so cynically justified his ideological perspective, in the face of sweeping evidence to the contrary.
www.huffingtonpost.com

No! If he hadn't said anything then he should have. Or if he said something then he shouldn't have.


-The Right

#37 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue at 2009-06

wrong again...because as you can plainly see it was I who said that he shouldnt have said anything until he knew what to say...you know...he was waiting on the teleprompter....LOL

Hey! Silence is golden when it comes to this. Remember Carter's efforts to bring "democracy" to Iran? I think Obama is right to stay far away from this mess.

or he could ask BIDEN TO take care of it...LOL

Afk, that is more scary than North Korea's bomb.

Obama commenting on another countries elections is like Ahmadinejad commenting on Bush-Kerry.

Obamas comments are for us, they (Iranians) could give a fuck!

As it should be.

Silence on shit that isn't our business is not "cowaridce". It is "common sense". We end up looking like weaklings all the time because we interject ourselves into situations that we can't control. If we tried to interfere in Iran's election, we would be told to screw off and wouldn't be able to do anything but screw off: Lending credibility to Mahmoud after his "victory" over US interference.


If you want to call Obama a coward, look at his dealings so far with Israel.

I remember when righties were attacking Obama were attacking Obama for a lack of action when the pirates took Captain Phillips hostage. Three headshots later they were attacking him for killing three black teenagers.

Obama helped to set events in motion in Cairo. He has said what he needs to say and now he needs to let the uprising take it's course. The last thing he needs to do now is to make a statement that makes this about the US. This is all about Iran and where the people want to take the country.

Well stated hotsauce.

I also think he's doing the right thing by keeping his mouth shut. I don't understand why he allows Joe to be on Meet the Press to undermind his silence.

Cooky is just OTR. Nothing to see here.

Richard Luger, the top R on the Senate Foreign Relations committee agrees with you, Wissy.

Good thing Fast Gun McCain is home in Arizona instead of compromising the Iranian counter-revolution with our "support".

Earth to dummies: Iranians don't like us telling them what to do or how to feel. An American public figure commenting on this would ruin the whole thing. They're already protesting all we can do is get them to stop by telling them to keep protesting........

How stupid and/or arrogant one must be to not realize that they don't like us all that much and don't believe anything we say about them? Its only been going on for 30 years.....

again I didnt believe it was cowardly at first but NOW WHAT HE IS SAYING IS

what is this "meddling" bullshit he is spewing now instead of coming down on the side of democracy

if WE dont support DEMOCRACY...then who will????

and REAGAN in 1980 told the polish people

"We stand with you"

and look at what happened there..
and it didnt WEAKEN us in the cold war..AS DEMS SAID IT WOULD...it made us STRONGER......
and bush said the same thing on occasion and it wasnt 'meddling'....

sully

the people you see in those streets DO like us according to reports I have listened too...

they WANT obama to at least say something...thats what ..oh whats her name on cnn....the main Middle east lady..christine something maybe..anyway....

as krauthammer desribed his comments yesterday..."DISGRACEFULL"
charles also said that the best NON VIOLENT WAY to stop iran from getting a nuke is right in front of obama and he is worried about 'meddling'....nonsense...

I had a comparison here with nero "FIDDLING" too as rome burned.....same thing in reverse sort of

"the people you see in those streets DO like us according to reports I have listened too...

they WANT obama to at least say something...thats what ..oh whats her name on cnn....the main Middle east lady..christine something maybe..anyway...."

Think of this from a common sense standpoint: They feel cheated by their government. Why would they need a foreign leader to tell them how to feel about that? These Middle East "experts" always endorse our meddling - probably because if we started to mind our own business, their analysis would not be needed.

"as krauthammer desribed his comments yesterday..."DISGRACEFULL"
charles also said that the best NON VIOLENT WAY to stop iran from getting a nuke is right in front of obama and he is worried about 'meddling'....nonsense...

I had a comparison here with nero "FIDDLING" too as rome burned.....same thing in reverse sort of"

First of all, the people who really run Iran are not even in play here. They will stay in charge regardless. Secondly, the best way to get Middle Easterners to rally behind a leader has been to have the US attack that leader verbally. So I don't see why we'd want to butt in now. We want them protest and shake things up and that is what they are doing. Why risk fucking it up?

I give Obama credit for not trying to attach himself to this so he can take credit for it. And I don't really like him so its not a partisan thing with me.


Why doesn't Barack Obama do like Reagan and give them some weapons if they will recount the election.

Arms for Elections.

"Good thing Fast Gun McCain is home in Arizona instead of compromising the Iranian counter-revolution with our "support"."

We are all Iranians today????

BTW, how is our important ally Georgia these days???

So, what's your solution, Cookie? Bomb all the "mud people"?

Let me answer for him.

"Mud people" is offensive and ignorant. They're all a bunch of filthy fuckin' Arabs. Which makes them sand people.

I know you'd have a sperm-encrusted gym-sock to show for it if this were the case, but really - what else would be accomplished?

He'd have a rash, too.

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