it's not like he had to tell them - they can crunch the numbers themselves - hence the laughter thimmy geithner reaped when he was there.

the chinese have been doing math for a very long time.

Kirk's ill-advised comments (treason?) could raise interest rates, threaten the weak U.S. recovery. If China cuts back on their financing (already holding more U.S. debt than any other foreign government) we'll have to sell our debt at higher rates.

I suppose this is the difference between wanting Obama's policies to fail and having the United States fail.

A distinction without a difference.

it's not like he had to tell them

But he did.

Can you imagine what the Republicans would do if a Congressional Rep did something like this? Oh wait, we don't have to imagine. They went absolutely apeshit over much less just a few years ago.

Belatedly becoming a fiscal conservative after eight years of borrow and spend makes us all realize that this POS puts party far ahead of country.
I'm interested, even conservatives, would you actually vote to reelect someone who went to China and told them your own country is not to be trusted????

danni - i would vote for the most honest person, provided one could be found. is what he said untrue?

Foreign countries have ambassadors in Washington. Their job is to tell their governments about how things really are in the country in which they serve. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out what the Chinese ambassador tells Beijing about the GOP.

Sorry, guys.

I overstepped my boundaries.

Kirk's ill-advised comments (treason?) could raise interest rates, threaten the weak U.S. recovery.

What are you smoking, Yav. It's the most widely known secret since the Israelis started building nukes.

In fact, the Chinese and the Russians have been trashing the dollar themselves. I don't think they would be so open unless they hadve an exit strategy.

I'm interested, even conservatives, would you actually vote to reelect someone who went to China and told them your own country is not to be trusted????

What? An honest politician? It's treasonous! Send that man to Gitmo and throw away the key.

In Yav and Danni we have two exemplars of the widespread moral decay that is leading to national self-destruction.

"In Yav and Danni we have two exemplars of the widespread moral decay that is leading to national self-destruction."

That's just hilarious. Ray is beginning to remind me of Tadowe.

nuf said.

"I suppose this is the difference between wanting Obama's policies to fail and having the United States fail.

A distinction without a difference."

Bullshit. I can say I want Obama's policy to succeed in Afghanistan, I'd like to see him succeed in stopping N. Korea's nuclear efforts (although I doubt it) but I certainly want his attempts to establish "card check" to fail, I don't want him to succeed in establishing government health care either. AND...I don't think his efforts to establish socialism/facism are in the best interests of the U.S. so I'd like to see him fail in THAT regard too. It was exactly the same with Bush too. regardles of what you think, wanting Obama to fail in some respects and succeed in others is NOT wanting the United States to fail.

"I don't think his efforts to establish socialism/facism are in the best interests of the U.S"

Just amazing. A country of morons easily led by right wing wackos like Rush, no wonder it is in serious decline.

"Can you imagine what the Republicans would do if a Congressional Rep did something like this?"
#3 | Posted by YAV

They have and nothing happened.The Democrats pretended it didn't happen. Look no farther that Pelosi undermining Bush overseas. Or Obama trying to postpone the troops coming home in Iraq during the election.

"Just amazing. A country of morons easily led by right wing wackos like Rush, no wonder it is in serious decline."
#11 | Posted by danni

How did Rush get into this?
Danni: "Rush this...Rush that..."
Who are the left wing wackos and who are the morons that voted for them?

Pot meet kettle.

They have and nothing happened.

I don't know about that. Obama was elected, the Senate became Dem controlled, the Dems picked up more seats in the House. The Reps became even more marginalized. Kirk's comments may very well undo him. He's done himself no favors for his reelection and against Giannoulias, he was tied in the last poll. If Madigan gets in, it's pretty much over for Kirk. Hence his hee-hawing on running for the Senate or the Governorship.

#9 | Posted by danni at 2009-06-13 10:45 AM | Reply | Flag: NO SCRUPLES

That's just hilarious. Ray is beginning to remind me of Tadowe.

Another stupid deflection! Tad is to the right what you are to the left. This country is getting screwed from both sides of the aisle.

whats hurting this country is the pure stupidity that is leading the ultra right and ultra left.

however

as long as people keep bitching and moaning
you don't have to fear

democracy is hear to stay and socialism and fascism have to way to come here

your fears of that are completely baseless and the continued promalgation of those things prove without a doubt of fear tactics and nothing more.

"I don't think his efforts to establish socialism/facism are in the best interests of the U.S"

Just amazing. A country of morons easily led by right wing wackos like Rush, no wonder it is in serious decline.

#11 | Posted by danni

So she has no problem with socialism/fascism. This woman is seriously fucked up.

"So she has no problem with socialism/fascism"

no she doesn't fear it because its not coming

a little bit of socialism might come
but a little doesn't mean we turn into a communist country

socialism doesn't equal communism

we'll still be a democracy and if the universal health care system turns out to be aweful then we the people will still have the power to remove it.

stop fearing ghosts.
then maybe you wouldn't sound like an idiot

"So she has no problem with socialism/fascism."

Not content to just brand us lefties as socialists, I think the addition of fascist too really provides a clear description for my political views which are similar to those of the majority of this country on most issues. Are most Americans socialist/fascists too Ray???

a little bit of socialism might come

It's been here since FDR, and it hasn't gone away. For all the bitching done about socialism here in the USA, our economy is fairly heavily regulated.

but a little doesn't mean we turn into a communist country

No, it means that the Reptilian Antichrist will materialize in the precise center of the pentagram formed by Washington DC's funky streets and he will command an army of giant Japanese robots to enslave the human race! Only Chuck Norris (commanding a giant robot of his own) can save us!

In Soviet Russia... teabaggers laugh at YOU!

So if an American says don't trust America... can you trust him?

What would Lao Tzu say on that one?

"The Dow is like water... it flows ever downward."

Mark Kirk should be imprisoned for treason, for daring to question the veracity and the wisdom of the Obama Administration's numbers. After all, if only the Chinese kite us a few more trillion dollar loans, he can have his "3 million jobs saved or created", we can finally get healthcare costs under control by creating a giant new federal bureaucracy, we can push GM and Chrysler back into profitability by turning it over to the guys who screw on the mufflers, and we can funnel enough through AIG and Citi to keep Goldman Sachs around for another quarter. Tack onto that the idea that we can enact cap-and-trade policies that will only cost American households $300 per year--when private estimates run more than five times that--and we'll be legislating our way back to prosperity in no time flat. The Chinese need to quit being pussies, and stop listening to the people telling them that the resultant inflation won't wipe out the value of all the bonds they're buying.

Anyone who dares question that this will work is obviously an un-American. Or, worse still--a racist. Ahhhh!!

Kirk tells the truth to the Chinese while Geithner and Obama have been lying. Who is guilty of treason?

That is good advice to China.

If a democrat gave the same advice to China during the GWB dictatorship, dipshits like FWTHOM and KBM would have accused him of being a traitor, and suggested he should be tried for treason. But when a GOPher does it these same hypocrites don't seem to see any problem. Wow.

FuckWad is a goddamned terrorist sympathizer and and America Hater!!!

This Kirk asshole should be tarred and feathered for anti-American activity. Then have his traitorous throat cut.

The net result of having foreign banks lower our credit rating (exactly what this traitor scum was trying to have happen) is that the interest on our national debt (you know, the one Regan, Bush 1, and Dickless created) goes up. This costs the few of us Americans that still have a job more in taxes.

This is what Rtard chicken shits (and chicken fuckers) want. All in the name of party first.

Typical actions by Paultards and Republicans - they can't win so they will do their best to sabotage this country in hopes of a power grab.

"Anyone who dares question that this will work is obviously an un-American."

Love the logic or rather lack of it. Pretending that questioning the policies of Obama and going to China and telling their leaders not to trust us are the same thing is the typically psychotic thinking process of the right.

What the FUCK? 'Could raise interest rates', that's a given! You can't do this shit without consequence, higher interest rates are just one! He spoke the truth, and gets shit on for it!

Does anyone really think China can't figure this out for themselves? The same people who stole 80% of our secrets without raising a finger (Los Alamos - Nuclear Facility)? Standard practice!

We are exactly like the Iranian people, only we're to fucking stupid to take to the streets for peaceful protests about what has and is happening to us!

Pulling money from your Grandmother and Grandfather to pay for another HALF/BAKED program that won't work!

S-O-C-I-A-L-I-S-M!

Can you imagine what the Republicans would do if a Congressional Rep did something like this? Oh wait, we don't have to imagine. They went absolutely apeshit over much less just a few years ago.

#3 | Posted by YAV at 2009-06-13 10:21 AM | Reply | Flag:

You're right.

This is the same crows who, just this week, went bat-shit crazy over a picture of Obama with his feet up on the Oval Office desk while he was on the phone yet they said nothing when George Bush did it. They simply can't stand that they lost and will try anything.

Here's an example:

THE OUTRAGE!!!!

My parents live in Kirk's district.

My dad, who's very conservative, is not too happy with this guys speech.

#27 | Posted by axe at 2009-06-14 02:07 PM | Reply | Flag:DEMONCRAT!

yep - you're just as recognizable. just look for the nearest 4-letter word!

i cannot count the people i know who would make the same statements - left AND right. i don't trust this administration - not that they need to be told - they're laughing their tiny-hineys off at u.s. and now have a new reason to live - the failure this administration will make of this nation. mene, mene, tekel, upharsin

#23 | Posted by rightisright

please tell me your sarc meter's running...

"Anybody that doesn't go along with Obama's and Geithner's lies and deceptions is a traitor. Sure they spent all the money available for the next 100 generations, but now they believe in pay go. Besides we must lie to the Chinese so they will buy our bonds."

The Left

HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa!!!!

Chinese studests listening to Geithner

Love the logic or rather lack of it. Pretending that questioning the policies of Obama and going to China and telling their leaders not to trust us are the same thing is the typically psychotic thinking process of the right.

#29 | Posted by danni
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Sure. Because it was news to the Chinese leadership that there are many Americans who don't think you can borrow your way out of debt. And that the Chinese who have amassed trillions of dollars worth of reserves are too stupid to understand the yield curve which--in the past three weeks--has steepened faster than any time in history. I'm sure they're ignorant of that fact, which is why they're piling into the 2-year, and letting the long end go.

The best laid plans of mice and men . . . ol' Timmy and Ben were hoping the Chinese would pony up and buy the 10-and 20-year, so that mortgage rates would float down. Nope. But we're supposed to believe it's all because the Chinese started listening to a Congressman I'd never heard of before two hours ago.

Show of hands, libbies: how many of YOU believe Obama's numbers?

Show of hands, libbies: how many of YOU believe Obama's numbers?

More than Bush's, not that that's the point of course. Do continue to deflect, though.

This idiots actions are damaging as hell. While they don't extend to treasonous, they can be said to be just a step or two behind. Why? The man represents the US as a law maker and as such his words carry special weight. He needs to learn about talking to his people (us) and addressing a foreign power. At reelection time this will need to be examined as an example of irresponsible talk.

Why do Rtard cocksuckers defend this god damned traitor?

When is it okay for a US Citizen to go abroad and defame our country? What kind of shit eating moron would defend this kind of action?

Republicans are Party before Country. Fuck them all!!!

Party before country.

Oohrah,

This pitiful wide-stancer went way over the line. There is cheerleading for failure and then there is actively working to cause it.

The voters in his state should start a recall movement right now. Make sure he is replaced by another Rtard, but get is sorry ass out of Congress today!!!

republicans would gain more respect with the conservative movement if they'd do exactly as this guy's done - TELL THE TRUTH!

Republicans would gain a lot more respect if they would collectively commit suicide........

Oh Wait, they ALREADY DID!!!!!

RIP GOP. Nobody misses you. Rot in Hell for all eternity.

I'm interested, even conservatives, would you actually vote to reelect someone who went to China and told them your own country is not to be trusted????

You mean like Obama who has gone around the world and apologized for America's history, charater, ideals or it's existence? Fascism is defenitly on its way: Gov control of the auto industry, banks, insurance companies, utilities, carbon use in your own home, the use of trans fat in cooking, who gets to state there views in public, soon health and education and trying covertly for gun control. Gov now the only creator of new jobs. Oh yeah!

What a system of free enterprise. A nanny system in the making.

More than Bush's, not that that's the point of course. Do continue to deflect, though.

#39 | Posted by YAV
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LMAO. Why is it a deflection? I just asked the question: how many of you libbies believe Obama's budget numbers? Or his Treasury team's assessment of the bank bailouts? How about his "3 million jobs saved or created"?

He's lying to you. And you don't care, because he's a libbie, just like you. Hopefully the Chinese don't read any American 'blogs--maybe they're too stupid to know what a steepening yield curve means.

In a speech at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington, Kirk said he told Chinese officials "the budget numbers that the U.S. Government has put forward should not be believed." He went on to say that Congress will wind up spending even more. (Here's a link to a video of the speech put on YouTube by Talking Points Memo.)
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I don't think you liberal dumbasses even read the article. He didn't say not to trust the US--that's just an inflammatory headline thrown up by Yav, and rubber-stamped by RCade. What he said was that it be unadvisable to trust the Congress' budget numbers, and that spending would be going higher. And, it is.

So, the Congressman was right, and it's you libtards with your head in the sand. Hopefully Obama, Joe, and Timmy can overturn millennia of common sense, and borrow our way out of debt, and hopefully China will keep lending us money until it happens.

"After helping get us into this current economic crisis by supporting President Bush's failed economic policies, Congressman Mark Kirk went to China and told Chinese officials that the American government was not to be trusted," says Ryan Rudominer, spokesman for the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee.
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Translation: President Bush's administration was not to be trusted, but we are! Please believe us!! Buy our bonds!! Bush's policies of borrow-and-spend failed, but our policies of borrow-and-spend-a-lot-more will succeed!!!

LMAO. What a bunch of douchebaggery.

A couple of shit-kicking hillbillies called the DixieChicks go overseas and say they disapprove of the then president Bush and the rightards have album-burning parties and send them death threats.

A politician does it, and because he has an R after his name, he's now a hero to the rightards.

Your "translation" needs a little work. Again, move the argument away from the man with the (R) by his name.

Interesting take on the headline, Yav. Just because I think the Congress is populated by a few hundred people who lie for a living doesn't mean I feel the same about the United States.

I guess that's what happens when you have the majority. If your guys are talking, the entire national credibility is at stake. So answer me a question I'll pose, yet again: Do YOU believe the Congressional budget numbers?

danni - i would vote for the most honest person, provided one could be found. is what he said untrue?

#5 | Posted by nanc at 2009-06-13 10:30 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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Is what he said untrue?????????

Nope and neither is what Jane Fonda or John Kerry said untrue.

Bitch

Do YOU believe the Congressional budget numbers?

Irrelevant. What Kirk did was betray the trust of the United States and impugn the integrity of the U.S. Government.

For Kirk to say "the budget numbers that the U.S. Government has put forward should not be believed" is wretched.

It undermines the U.S. It wouldn't be acceptable if a Dem said it during Bush's term and it's not acceptable now. For a U.S. Congressional Rep, in a foreign country, the biggest creditor we have no less, to say such a thing should warrant condemnation from everyone.

Yav!!!

WAY off-topic, but I would be immensely appreciative if you would read the following article I linked on my user-blog and then offer up some thoughtful commentary:

Jeff, sure - I'll take a look and post something over at that link. Halftime's coming up!

Kirk's ill-advised comments (treason?) could raise interest rates, threaten the weak U.S. recovery. If China cuts back on their financing (already holding more U.S. debt than any other foreign government) we'll have to sell our debt at higher rates.
I suppose this is the difference between wanting Obama's policies to fail and having the United States fail.
A distinction without a difference.
#2 | Posted by YAV at 2009-06-13 10:19 AM

Precisely.

#55 | Posted by lfthndthrds

are you investing in OUR dollar?

Irrelevant. What Kirk did was betray the trust of the United States and impugn the integrity of the U.S. Government.

Yer goddamn right!

Sincerely,

Harry "The War is Lost" Reid

Irrelevant. What Kirk did was betray the trust of the United States and impugn the integrity of the U.S. Government.
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So it's okay for you to admit that the Congress' numbers are BS, but not for a Congressman to.

Lemme give you a hint: the Chinese have already figgered it out, if even a partisan shill like yourself has realized that the Dem Congress is a bunch of liars. In fact, no sooner did this Kirk say that Congress' budget numbers were wrong, did Joey Biden come out on TV this morning and say there would be even more stimulus spending.

As cynical as I get for you libbies, I can't keep up with your own press releases and Meet The Press appearances.

Gobama! LMAO. Every time Joey and Timmy open their pieholes, they "impugn the integrity of the United States government."

"Yer goddamn right!"

You tell 'em!
~ Newt 'Obama's "Already Failed"' Gingrich

Some rethug shithead essentially told the Chinese not to trust the budget numbers?

DoubLOL!

Tha's funny twice.

First, cos as Nanc already pointed out that's a known known in China.

Second, cos the shear blind partisan hackery of the rtards is funny beyond belief to Spud.

A rethug actively undercutting the Obama administration?

This is news to anyone?

Wot's the next big scoop?

There's gambling going on over at Rick's Cafe Americain?

/Better not be obscure.

Be Well.

/Has Ric Romero been told about this yet?

Time out! Does anyone here, Liberal, Conservative, Republicrat or Democan trust the US Government??
Yep. Give that congressman a medal for inadvertantly speaking the truth.

Time out! Does anyone here, Liberal, Conservative, Republicrat or Democan trust the US Government??
Yep. Give that congressman a medal for inadvertantly speaking the truth.
#65 | Posted by Diablo at 2009-06-15 02:24 AM

You got me there. I feel uncomfortable defending his general critism, but in context - to Chinese "officials"?! To keep an "honest" face? Laughable from a Republican. The Chinese are probably more aware of our economic problems than we are. Kirk's not specifically attempting to insult the Obama administration, however the undertones and distancing are obvious.

Pls.Note:Washington has already SOLD the USA to China!

China doesn't have to trust the U.S. because soon China will "Own" the entire USA - lock,stock and barrel - and then China,being the legal "Owners" of America will only have to trust themselves - No Tikky - No Country!!!

Let me throw out a question:

If this guy were being interviewed on, say, Meet the Press and he expressed his opinion that the budget numbers presented by the Dems were not to be believed because they would spend even more than they are stating - would any of you on the left have a problem with that statement on that forum?

I would seriously hope not - if this is the case, is it your gripe that he directed this comment toward the Chinese? If so, it's a gripe that I can understand.

Please remember, both former presidents Clinton and Carter made inflammatory remarks about Bush's policies on foreign soil. Many on this site cheered them on. I am wondering how many of those individuals who were cheering then are bitching now.

If this guy were being interviewed on, say, Meet the Press and he expressed his opinion that the budget numbers presented by the Dems were not to be believed because they would spend even more than they are stating - would any of you on the left have a problem with that statement on that forum?

No, that wouldn't be a problem for me.

Please remember, both former presidents Clinton and Carter made inflammatory remarks about Bush's policies on foreign soil.

And Obama was still in Cairo when the Republicans started in on his speech. Republicans still holding elected seats, unlike two former Presidents that have been out of office for a minimum of 8 years.

Lemme give you a hint: the Chinese have already figgered it out, if even a partisan shill like yourself has realized that the Dem Congress is a bunch of liars.

Let me give you a hint, it's not about what is known, it's about opening your trap, in China, undercutting our Gov't. Let me give you another hint: The CBO is not a political party. It did get screwed up under Bush, and the heavy handed bullshit with the Medicare Part D was exposed. Those days are over unless and until it's demonstrated otherwise.

Say whatever you want Yav. There is a difference between saying not to trust the country, and not to trust the Congress. Congress' opinion polls in the US consistently sucks, ESPECIALLY among people who love this country the most. It's silly now to say that there is an equivalence between trusting the country, and trusting the Democratic Party leadership in the Congress. If that's what makes you unpatriotic in your eyes, then a whole lot of people are on that list.

I don't know how anyone can watch Bawney Fwank and Maxine Waters on the House Financial Services Committee and not conclude that the place is run by a bunch of clueless morons. And since those hearings are broadcast on CNBC and Bloomberg, the Chinese are watching it too.

Fresh off the press! More than 60% of US doesn't trust the US (Congress)!

There is a difference between saying not to trust the country, and not to trust the Congress.

Kirk's words: "the budget numbers that the U.S. Government has put forward should not be believed."

Not the budget numbers Congress put forward.
Not the budget numbers the Democrats have put forward.
The budget numbers the U.S. Government has put forward.

Fresh off the press! More than 60% of US doesn't trust the US (Congress)!

Fresh off the Press! Look at the historic ratings. Duh.

no one should trust us

Why does the right hate America?

The Congressman was only "Singing to the choir" when he spoke to the Chinese. They know that practically everyone in government, in Washington, D.C. and elsewhere within the U.S., is a pathological liar. In fact, the Chinese have been lecturing the Obama administration officials about fiscal responsibility. Even the Russians have done the same thing. However, it seems that those lectures have been falling on deaf ears. Just wait until those jerks cause the dollar to lose its place as the world reserve currency. That plus all the debt they are making will bury us.

#68 | Posted by JeffJ

How is this comment by Kirk any different than telling our enemy about our troop movements?

There is economic strategy at play here and we should not be telling our competitor our plans.