I saw Murphy on Morning Joe yesterday.. he's an interesting guy, and what he has to say is worth noting.

I think its worth remembering however, that the Washington pundits, party insiders, and talking heads are often wrong.

Does anyone remember that it was simply an accepted fact that the Democratic party nominee was going to be Hillary Clinton, and the Republican was going to be Rudy Giuliani?

Just something to temper what these unquestionably smart and knowledgeable people have to say. The Republican party isn't dead, and any Democrat that thinks so is going to be disappointed. And accepted truisms this far out from an election cycle are really just wild speculation.

The only ones who were trumpeting the Hillary as cant lose candidate were the blowholes at FAUX News, and that was 100% wishful thinking.

I dont see much which would suggest that Murphy's point is wishful thinking, really.

Do you?

Maybe it's part of the plan for the GOP to fold up so Obama can declare himself a dictator for life.

I don't see how this is possible, what with all the forward thinking and highly qualified spokesman and candidates.

Never in the 6,000 year history of this earth has there been a better time for the GOP!

What's needed is the free enterprise party.

The democrat and the republican parties are one in the same. There hasn't been a conservative in a race in several decades. For me it has been a vote for the lesser socialist for many cycles now.

I no longer consider myself a republican or democrat. There is no one to vote for any longer except socialist would be communist politicians. This country won't last a whole lot longer. A bunch of whiney asses that somehow think they should have it all on 40 hours or less a week while the productive feed them, clothe them and make their toilets flush.

Politics is a mirror image of public opinion and that opinion is a pendulum.

For as happy as I am to have the Dems in power vs the republicans, I know that eventually public opinion will swing back the other way and the republicans will control either the Congress, WH or both again.

All we have to do is look at history to know that this shift is not permanent. Now, if only someone had told Rove this when he was predicting that 'permanent republican majority'.

A bunch of whiney asses that somehow think they should have it all on 40 hours or less a week

Posted by Washboard

Great another asshole that thinks worker protections should be repealed and working conditions should return to that of the 1800's in the name of productivity.

"Never in the 6,000 year history of this earth has there been a better time for the GOP!"

#4 | Posted by briwo

You are so right! The unemployment rate is still moving upwards, gas prices are on the rise, the federal debt is growing by leaps and bounds, and the economy remains sluggish. The GOP will have an easy task in the next election cycle.

Is this the hope and change that you on the left voted for?

A bunch of whiney asses that somehow think they should have it all on 40 hours or less a week while the productive feed them, clothe them and make their toilets flush.

#5 | Posted by Washboard at 2009-06-13 05:05 PM | Reply | Flag: Enjoys 60 hour work weeks...sucker

No demographic is as convincing as this one: liberals are not reproducing due to birth control and abortion. I.e., they have to evangelize their suicidal behavior through schools and media.
Sure Latinos vote Democrat now, but I'd rather not lose that support when they realize they are targeted for the genocide with a smiling face called "family planning."
Just look at white Europe. It is happening here, too.

Obama is doing to the democrat party what Bill Clinton couldn't do. That is destroy it forever. Yes, Bill put the democrats in the wilderness for 10 years but they tricked and lied their way back into power. Now that America sees they are worse than before they won't be their long.

So long democrats I won't miss you or your corruption. Yes, there are bad republicans too but democrats are far more corrupt than republicans could ever hope to be.

So long democrats I won't miss you or your corruption. Yes, there are bad republicans too but democrats are far more corrupt than republicans could ever hope to be.

#12 | Posted by buzkiller

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Buz go take your meds. You don't have a clue and never will. The GOP is dead and has been in the process for at least 12 years. You and aflac the Arabwannabee are 2 of a kind -- dumb and dumber!

The democrat and the republican parties are one in the same. There hasn't been a conservative in a race in several decades. For me it has been a vote for the lesser socialist for many cycles now.

That's funny. I feel exactly the same way with "socialist" and "conservative" reversed.

No demographic is as convincing as this one: liberals are not reproducing due to birth control and abortion.

You're really going to have to back that up with some facts. You're suggesting only liberals get abortions?

If that were the case you'd think the right-wingers would favor abortion out of political expediency, since without it there would be 40,000,000 more liberals in this country since 1974. (If I remember the anti-abortion talking points correctly.)

In truth, it's well-known that super-Christians will rush their own knocked-up-by-a-negro daughter to the abortion clinic while demanding nobody else have the same right.

Greetings All,
Murphy has been kissing the blarney stone too much to get his wish. People used to brag about how the communist party was dead after the CCCP collapsed. This statement has been proven to be purely wishful thinking because the communist party is alive and well, though it has change its name and now even wears a disguise by calling itself the democratic party, it is truly a sadly comedic oxymoronic statement, when I hear someone state they are part of the democratic party I grimace, because there is nothing democratic about the democrat party. Who would have thought it would have occurred like this? The only way the democrat party can save face now (as if they had any self-pride to begin with) is to merge the names to reflect its true essence and name itself the communist-democrat party because this what the party has become, then the commie pinkos democrats can be honest about their intentions.

may they freeze in peace

where is the koolaid

Forget the Koolaid. That's an invitation to death. Move on!

"If that were the case you'd think the right-wingers would favor abortion out of political expediency, since without it there would be 40,000,000 more liberals in this country since 1974. (If I remember the anti-abortion talking points correctly.)"

Unless they love your children more than you do. I would rather red than dead when it comes to that.

deadly for the Republican Party as it exists today. A GOP ice age is on the way.

That is what they said when Nixon left office too.

If you take a close look at all the politicians, both parties are in trouble. Poles say that 'independent' is the largest golitical group now.

The best thing the Republicans have are the Democrats currently in power! Just think, a $787 Billion payment to shore up your base! Passing out money as if it were pop-corn! None of it going to advance the ECONOMY, just the PARTY!

The Fed Reserve has pushed another $8.5 - 9 Trillion out there, and has guaranteed considerably more than that!

The ONLY saving grace in all of this, The Initial Bail Out, approved by Bush IS a LOAN, repayable with INTEREST and IS coming back to the Treasury ($72 + Billion to date), although Geithner wants to reuse it!?!

INFLATION ANYONE?

Let's give TWO Car Companies to the Unions to operate, and CONTROL! I mean, after all, they've ran their Unions so well!

Let's create a Car Czar, someone who is answerable to NO ONE, and knowledgeable AND experienced in a 'different field', to push for accountability, quality, and integrity in Car manufacturing. Oh yeah, let's also appoint a CEO who has no knowledge of the business, OR turn arounds!

Let's create a Pay Czar, to facilitate the transfers of our Intelligence to Europe, so they can receive pay according to their considerable abilities! Oh, let's not forget the Pay of the Union Executives also shall we?

Let's jump on AIG for paying bonuses to people who are trying to CORRECT the past screw-ups of a select few employees (apparently including the old CEO)! Exactly who do you think would do that job without some type of Guarantee?

We see a problem being created, let it go on unabated because it is feeding us a dividend or interest rate never before heard of! Then, when it falls apart we jump all over the ones who are there to straighten things out!

Ah, 'Democracy at work'!

We are going to have approximately six to nine months of a faux prosperity, because people want to see it. We then will fall off the cliff seeing as how there is nothing being done to ACTUALLY support this economy!

The price of OIL, and GAS is increasing for NO apparent reason!

Can you spell DEPRESSION? SAVE WHAT YOU CAN!

My daughter just bought a Jetta TDI wagon.
40 MPG EPA highway. Drives nice, too.

where is the koolaid

That asshole Johnson didn't leave any for the rest of us...

You are so right! The unemployment rate is still moving upwards, gas prices are on the rise, the federal debt is growing by leaps and bounds, and the economy remains sluggish. The GOP will have an easy task in the next election cycle.

#8 | Posted by Republican4ever at 2009-06-13 06:30 PM | Reply | Flag:

You mean all those aren't good things?

You never seemed to complain about them when Dumbya was in office, why now? Is it because you feel Obama should have it all fixed after 21 weeks in office?

#15 | Posted by Bioniccycle

I guess to be fair: We thought the fascist Nazi party was dead after WWII but sadly it is alive and well, disguising its name as the Republican party.

How imbecilic?

Unless they love your children more than you do. I would rather red than dead when it comes to that.

And do you love children so much that you're willing to open the borders and allow millions upon millions of the world's poor to emigrate to this great country? That seems to be exactly the sort of thing you're worried is happening in Europe, amirite?

Your "love" looks to me like a politically expedient talking point.

Palin/Bachmann in 2012 to put a partay for the GOP and make this country #1 and USA USA USA!!!!! Palinator and the Bachmannster will be using their unique intellectual capabilities to reunite the Reicht Wing and crush them dastardly Demoncrats, leberalls and sochallists. USA USA USA #1. Palin/Bachmann 2012!!!! PARTAY!!!!

Hopefully the Greedy-Opining Party will go the way of the Wooly Mammoth.

Funny how you libs are under the illusion the currant administration policies are sustainable and think better times are ahead. You are getting the "change" you wanted but I'm afraid it is going to be something very different then you imagine. The Republicans were certainly no angles but the direction President Obama and the Democratic congress is taking this country in will be quite the opposite of the utopia you all hope for. Trust me on this one. Your standard of living is about to take a drastic turn for the worse in the very near future and it going to be very difficult if not impossible to dig ourselves out of the hole the government is putting us in. Obama is going to be a single term president and will likely go down in history as the most disastrous administration this country has ever known.

You seem to be more preoccupied with bashing Republicans then taking an honest look and noticing what direction we are going in and its long term implications. When you do it will be too late.

Slowsvt I look forward to direction we are going. I look forward to hearing people like you bitch that the Govt takes 60% of your income. Those with nothing will be on equal footing of greedy folks like yourself.

"Slowsvt I look forward to direction we are going. I look forward to hearing people like you bitch that the Govt takes 60% of your income. Those with nothing will be on equal footing of greedy folks like yourself."

#30 | Posted by rastaninja

There in a nutshell is the problem with many libs today. They think it's greedy to want to better yourself and your family. Earning a profit is considered criminal. They believe penalizing the rich with overtaxation is going to bring utopia to the downtrodden. Sorry, but after 40 years of the Great Society, we still have poor people in this country. What ever happened to rugged individualism and self-reliance? When they tax the rich out of existence, who will be left to bail out the government?

Explain why countries with the highest tax rates in Northern Europe have the happiest people. You believe you have the right to get ahead on the misery of others. I believe everyone should have access to quality health care, shelter, education and other basic necessities while you don't. You think only about yourself while I think of the greater good in society. We tried you thinking under Bush where taxes kept dropping. It didn't work. It's time we tried a new way of thinking.

Obviously, RASTANINCUMPOOP pays no taxes.

I do and I don't mind. I make enough that after taxes I get all that I need. I'm not greedy.

"You never seemed to complain about them when Dumbya was in office, why now? Is it because you feel Obama should have it all fixed after 21 weeks in office?"

#24 | Posted by COMMONSENSE

Actually, I didn't agree with Bush and his domestic spending agenda, and stated such many times. He was not a conservative. Now, we have a President who has doubled our national debt after only five months in office, with projections of much more debt to come. When the feds start printing trillions of dollars, hyper-inflation will be right around the corner. It's a no brainer that Obama is going to be a one term disaster.

I make enough that after taxes I get all that I need.

I am semi-retired now, but when I was pulling down a bit of the large green (for me anyway), I was always proud of the amount of taxes I paid.

I had more than enough to live well on and do everything I wanted and still save plenty.

The tax bill to me meant that I was helping support my society, which had made it possible for me to earn that much money.

You may say, "Well what about the entrepreneurs who started or ran the company and made your salary possible?"

They are all multi-millionaires. If they feel worried about their personal tax bills, I pity them for their destructive emotional attachment to money.

There are two ways to be wealthy, get more or want less.

"You believe you have the right to get ahead on the misery of others. I believe everyone should have access to quality health care, shelter, education and other basic necessities while you don't."

#32 | Posted by rastaninja

I have no problem with helping those who truly cannot help themselves. It's the able-bodied welfare recipients that I have a problem with. Let them be miserable if they won't do what is necessary to become a productive member of society. According to rastaninja, we should expect the government to be the provider for our needs. If this nanny state idea ever comes to fruition, where would the incentive be to get a job and become a tax payer? The government would eventually run out of money.

If this nanny state idea ever comes to fruition, where would the incentive be to get a job and become a tax payer? The government would eventually run out of money.

#37 | Posted by Republican4ever

Socialism doesn't mean everyone gets paid equal. Those not willing to work would only get the basic necessities. People willing to work hard would still be rewarded. People seem to think Obama wants to be Pol Pot. He doesn't.

Rastaninja

I don't think anyone who knows me would describe me as "greedy". I live a very modest middle class lifestyle, worked very hard to get to where I am, shunned buying on credit and pay plenty in taxes which largely goes to other people with little return to myself which I don't have too much of a problem with up to a point (I do believe in helping others including those who can't help themselves).

You sound similar to a member of my family who hasn't held a real job in 30 years, mooches off anyone he can attach himself to, has a very strong sense of entitlement, blames Republicans for everything that has gone wrong in his life and is extremely angry and hateful of anyone who has done better them him.

You're looking forward to the government taking 60% of my income which is the stupid statement is worthy of the target audience here on the Retort. That's funny because chances are that is probably a low estimate and what remains won't buy much with the value of US currency falling. Rather then spending my income buying goods and services that generate commerce I will be handing it to the Government who will dole up amongst one another and to people like you. In case you haven't heard the Government doesn't actually produce anything they just consume it! Our ability to be globally competitive is rapidly eroding where our quality of life will be on equal terms with Mexico.

I hope you enjoy your socialist future. At some point I may throw up my hands and join you wanting the Government to take care of me. If I go down you will be right behind me. don't think your miserable existence can't get worse, it will.

Be well

This Murph is surely spot on. Now how does the Far Right deal with this? By shooting doctors and museum guards, bad-mouthing their president no matter how irrelevant the occasion, protesting all taxes, supporting all wars (and torture), fighting equality in marriage opportunities, hanging the Coulter, Malkin, Palin and Prejean photos on the wall. herm

Explain why countries with the highest tax rates in Northern Europe have the happiest people. You believe you have the right to get ahead on the misery of others. I believe everyone should have access to quality health care, shelter, education and other basic necessities while you don't. You think only about yourself while I think of the greater good in society. We tried you thinking under Bush where taxes kept dropping. It didn't work. It's time we tried a new way of thinking.

#32 | Posted by rastaninja at 2009-06-14 09:32 AM

Don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out. You're the dumbest dummy I've read on here. What's the matter pumpkin, you study and study and still you fail? Doubtful. Your problem is you're a slug, plain and simple. IT SHOWS.

You believe you have the right to get ahead on the misery of others. I believe everyone should have access to quality health care, shelter, education and other basic necessities while you don't."

#32 | Posted by rastaninja

I travel all over the country, dumbass. And I'm not triping over dead bodies and homeless people everywhere. The people on the streets are drug addicts and the mentally unstable who by choice are where they are. You truly are the dumbest dummy I've read on here.

You want to work less so you can spend quality time on here, right?

Asshole! Get a life.

If this nanny state idea ever comes to fruition, where would the incentive be to get a job and become a tax payer? The government would eventually run out of money.

#37 | Posted by Republican4ever at 2009-06-14 10:18 AM |

It's already arrived for many. My guess is that rasta is a member of those collecting some kind of government goodie.

This is brought to you by the same people that predicted the next ice age in 1972...we all saw how that worked out.

Rome is burning people, wake up.

Herm wrote:

"This Murph is surely spot on. Now how does the Far Right deal with this? By shooting doctors and museum guards, bad-mouthing their president no matter how irrelevant the occasion, protesting all taxes, supporting all wars (and torture), fighting equality in marriage opportunities, hanging the Coulter, Malkin, Palin and Prejean photos on the wall. herm"

Herm

How do you equate a madman killing an abortion doctor or shooting a museum guard is even remotely connected to the right. You forgot to mention the Muslim convert who killed the soldier outside the recruitment center but I'm sure that one just slipped your mind. I suppose you don't realize the tens of thousands who are killed every year in the US alone are way more likely to support Democrats rather then a Republican or perhaps those people don't matter to you. But "hay", what are 20,000 people killed compared to a doctor and a security guard? To me all these deaths are nothing more then selfish cruel acts that cause many to suffer. But I guess that is the difference between you and I.

As far as the torture is concerned your efforts to expose these acts would do far more good focusing on other countries where their techniques do far more serious bodily harm rather then the three terrorist who were made very "uncomfortable" by the use of water boarding. Something every US soldier is subjected to as part of their training. If you yourself are ever tortured just pray you have the CIA doing it rather then the Egyptian Government. I think that is something we can both agree on.

Your post here only outlines your desire to paint people on the right in a very mean spirited way and does not reflect reality. You're do nothing more then to distort the truth to serve you political aim. Get a life.

A few more Second Amendmenters and some zyklon B and we'll get this country uni-cultural and right with baby Jayzuuzz again soon.

The NOP.

How do you equate a madman killing an abortion doctor or shooting a museum guard is even remotely connected to the right

Cos being pro forced birth and hating jews is the distinct province of the extreme religious Christian right in the US.

You forgot to mention the Muslim convert who killed the soldier outside the recruitment center but I'm sure that one just slipped your mind

Yet another religious extremist albeit from a different religion.

As far as the torture is concerned your efforts to expose these acts would do far more good focusing on other countries where their techniques do far more serious bodily harm rather then the three terrorist who were made very "uncomfortable" by the use of water boarding.

Yes, complain about the mote in yer neighbours eye w/o first acknowleging the beam in yer own!

That's in the bible somewhere.

Three terrorists were made "uncomfortable"?

Try thousands were detained many were abused, ill treated and an uncounted amount were even tortured, some to death.

Over 100 detainee deaths in US custodies to date.

Many of them total innocents.

If you yourself are ever tortured just pray you have the CIA doing it rather then the Egyptian Government. I think that is something we can both agree on.

Actually, dude, if yer being tortured it doesn't really matter wot ideaological hand holds the electric cattle prod, k?

Yer recitiation of right wing talking points FAILs.

Be Well.

"You never seemed to complain about them when Dumbya was in office, why now? Is it because you feel Obama should have it all fixed after 21 weeks in office?"

#24 | Posted by COMMONSENSE

Actually, I didn't agree with Bush and his domestic spending agenda, and stated such many times. He was not a conservative. Now, we have a President who has doubled our national debt after only five months in office, with projections of much more debt to come. When the feds start printing trillions of dollars, hyper-inflation will be right around the corner. It's a no brainer that Obama is going to be a one term disaster.

#35 | Posted by Republican4ever at 2009-06-14 09:44 AM | Reply | Flag:

I never said you agreed with him. I said you never seemed to complain about his spedning.

BTW, regardless of what the hacks at the Heritage foundation tell you, he hasn't doubled the National Debt.

This Murph is surely spot on. Now how does the Far Right deal with this? By shooting doctors and museum guards, bad-mouthing their president no matter how irrelevant the occasion, protesting all taxes, supporting all wars (and torture), fighting equality in marriage opportunities, hanging the Coulter, Malkin, Palin and Prejean photos on the wall. herm

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The American people have every right to be angry... with 30 years of compassionate conservatism under both parties.

I travel all over the country, dumbass. And I'm not triping over dead bodies and homeless people everywhere. The people on the streets are drug addicts and the mentally unstable who by choice are where they are. You truly are the dumbest dummy I've read on here.

You want to work less so you can spend quality time on here, right?

Asshole! Get a life.

#42 | Posted by Washboard

You are about the dumbest moron I have ever read if you believe most of the homeless are that way by choice. There is more to life than work idiot.

HUH?

"And do you love children so much that you're willing to open the borders and allow millions upon millions of the world's poor to emigrate to this great country? That seems to be exactly the sort of thing you're worried is happening in Europe, amirite?"

I don't want children killed in utero.
I am amazed at wealthy white westerners refusing to have children and even aborting them.
I am further amazed they pay taxes to fund aliens and Muslims to come to their countries and start businesses.
None of that means I hate the newcomers. I am just watching the greatest civilization ever run like lemmings into the sea because Griswald and Roe are their lawyers.

Murphy is not saying that the Republican party is dead because that would be as stupid as Rove saying that there was going to be a permanent Republican majority. He's saying that given the demographic trend in the country the Republican party, as it exists today, will not regain power. Already there are simply not enough people like those we all saw at the Republican convention and at the Palin rallies to give them sufficient votes. In fact they lose them votes because those very people are the ones that motivate those in other demographics to vote against Republicans even if they are not particularly attracted to the Democrats either.

Bush, Cheney, Rove and Limbaugh are already history although only Bush seems to realize it. It will take a while for the others and their supporters to move on but real Republicans will either reform their unelectable shambles of a party or create a new one.

There is nothing sacred about the name Republican or the people who have used it to drag it down. I know next to nothing about the Whig party but I do know that there were a few Whig presidents early on and that they and their party are now a footnote in history. In the end who cares whether those opposed to Democrats on philosophical grounds rather than emotional ones call themselves Republicans or something else.

Ah, I had to look up the "Walpin-gate" thing. Sounds pretty sleazy of Obama on the surface (I'm sure his O'tarded minions will defend him regardless of what he does though).

Seriously, Zulu, if you want to discuss it put up a thread. You're just being annoying.

Lordie but I'd like the slow Vermonter to restate, rephrase of translate:

"You're do nothing more then to distort the truth to serve you political aim. Get a life."

I think he or she wants to imply that there are other nations, or have been other nations, which as national policy do worse things than we did under Bush. I think. Anyone? herm

(I'm sure his O'tarded minions will defend him regardless of what he does though).

#54 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE

Just as the Rtards can be counted on to attack him no matter what he does.

That being said, this was either a thread, or was on the nooner late last week.

Personally, at face value, I think it should be looked into.

Also, Zulu is a big old pussy.

I think he or she wants to imply that there are other nations, or have been other nations, which as national policy do worse things than we did under Bush. I think. Anyone? herm

History is replete with examples of such. Is that what you are asking or are you asking for a translation of the original statement?

And the truly looney (luly trooney?) ones continue to wring their hands and suggest that because we elected a half-white centrist as president, the country is doomed, moving toward socialism in a handbasket. If only! If only we did become like the civilized nations of western Europe and gave folks something for their tax bucks, something other than starting pointless wars to enrich corporate cronies. herm

Slowsvt I look forward to direction we are going. I look forward to hearing people like you bitch that the Govt takes 60% of your income. Those with nothing will be on equal footing of greedy folks like yourself.

#30 | Posted by rastaninja
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How Stalinistic of you? I'll just bet you masturbate as you read the communist manifesto. People like you honestly can't grasp the concept that effort = money. The greater the effort the more the money. Instead of putting more effort in, you stay at your current financial situation and bitch that it's not fair.

The system your endorsing does not generate excellence. Where in the hell is the motivation? You want the rest of the US to put the same little effort into their job as you do. This system stunts economic growth and technological advancement of the country. It's been proven that communist regimes hurt themselves financially. That's why the US pulled ahead during the cold war because our country rewarded technological breakthroughs.

Lonnie

According a Gallup poll published TODAY, CONSERVATIVES compose the largest ideological group in the United States.

PRINCETON, NJ -- Thus far in 2009, 40% of Americans interviewed in national Gallup Poll surveys describe their political views as conservative, 35% as moderate, and 21% as liberal.

The gummint's taking half my income would be great if, as in civilized nations, the gummint gave me something in return: health care, all the education I can absorb, social safety nets.

"Lonnie" implies that the only motivation worth diddly is economic. Hey, wouldn't it be marvelous if doctors/physicians/medics were motivated ONLY by a desire to heal?

The Lonnies of the world - I don't think it was THIS one - suggest that if I'm not rich, it must be my own fault, that if I'd just put in a little more overtime I'd be piloting my own Learjet.

I really need to know why Lonnie hates his poor cousins like that. herm

Herm,

I don't have any poor members of my family. Everyone in my family is successful. Not sure where your pulling out poor cousins from? Most likely out of his backside.

No, your misquoting me but that's ok. You can work overtime to get more money now. You can develop ideas to become rich. There are not many people that can actually get rich while working for someone else. You can change work habits to work your way up the corporate ladder. If your only accomplishment at work is just showing up for 8 hours a day, you probably shouldn't expect to move out of your current position and into a higher paying job. Last time I checked, just because you've been at your current job for longer than anyone else doesn't necessarily mean your moving up. You have to show other leadership abilities, job competence, and passion for your job to secure that higher paying job within the company.

In yours and rasta's case, if your going to be a janitor be the best damn janitor out there while encouraging your co-workers to do the same.

Lonnie

Not to nitpick, Lonnie, but you succeed not knowing the difference between your and you're?

I don't remember which great D.R. economist proposed that if I wasn't rich it was my own damfault, but that held up as the most ridiculous post ever until someone today said the U.S. doesn't torture, the rest of the world does. Lonnie, in 2009 few people have even a chance to work overtime, and if they do, that barely buys bread. My money-making ideas might start with - well - dealing with the Lonnies.

I know specifics are irrelevant, but I simply GOTTA know what job made you rich via "leadership abilities, job competence, and passion for your job." I was the very best around in my field ("coulda been a contender"). Those didn't work. herm

That would be none of your business Herm. I'm not rich but I'm not poor either. They worked for me, guess, you obviously found another way to sabotage yourself then. There's only a handful of ways that those virtues wouldn't work. They say lose lips sink ships, they also cost promotions too. Complainers are always a nuisance running around blaming everyone else instead of shutting their mouth and fixing the problem.

Yeah good luck with dealing with people like me who want the freedom to develop their ideas and make money. Because without that freedom, we're going to become a communist nation. Oh yeah and see you in 2012. Keep believing that the GOP is going to have an ice age. Let me know how that worked out for you.

Lonnie

Lonnie obviously believes that good clean hard work gets rewarded. That's only if there's good clean management. Lonnie lives in a world that never existed even in Horatio Alger's time, and I just happen to have a bridge...

Lonnie, I also guess you haven't a clue to what a communist nation is or if one really still exists. herm

Sure I do Herm. It's a nation where dissent is illegal and free speech will land your ass in prison. It's when the government goes on spending binges after it repeatedly prints more money. That state takes over ALL private corporations and runs them. Oooo we're almost there. Oil is the only last sovereign resource that the government hasn't tried to take away from private enterprise and started trying to run it how they believe it should be run.

My world beats the hell out of yours. Of course who could blame you if you feel this way. I mean if I tried to look out at the world and only got a close up view of my own rectum everyday, I'd probably feel just like you.

Lonnie