Maybe it was Obama's pastor, he's pretty mad at the Jews right now.

Well now we know what RealStory's been up to lately.

Islamofacist or Rightwing Domestic terrorist attack?

Or maybe just Mossad because Obama ain't bowing and scraping quite enough to Israel?

MSNBC is reporting that name of susupect is James Von Brunn, a white supremacist, born 1920. There is no official confirmation of this yet.

The suspect, who was not identified, was reportedly a man, born in 1920, who had possible connections to hate groups or anti-government groups.

#2 | Posted by astrobuckeye

FF! It's telling that that's one of the first things I thought of as well!

'MSNBC is reporting that name of susupect is James Von Brunn, a white supremacist, born 1920'

Oh, so he's a Democrat.

That's one old gunman. You can't say he's throwing away the rest of his life by committing this crime.

And really an 88 year old unleashing his rage? Bizarre.

#5 | Posted by astrobuckeye

Maybe he watched "The Shootist" to many times.

RCADE_get with the times, this wasn't a crime, it was a glorious stand by the Creator's chosen people against the Kenyan socialism being forced onto America. Like Roeder, this guy is a Hero of the Teabaggers.

Zulu-I'll see your Byrd and raise you a Lott, Duke and Helms.

Both SCOTUS and the NRA get an assist in the shooting, though if the guard doesn't die, it was hardly worth the effort, was it?

Both SCOTUS and the NRA get an assist in the shooting, though if the guard doesn't die, it was hardly worth the effort, was it?

#11 | Posted by northguy3

What about the ammo manufacturer and the store that sold him the Geritol?

Oh, so he's a Democrat.

#7 | Posted by zulu

I doubt it... more likely one of those rightie tightie wing nut extremist we have been hearing a lot about lately.

I thought DC was a gun free safe zone.

Still think hate-speech doesn't matter?

Stop the hate before it's too late. [TM]
Ban Reich-wing radio now!

Be Well.

Hey Helms is dead quit picking on him.

Oh and Duke was a democrat when he first gained office.

So You have byrd we have 1/2 of duke and lott but not sure how you figure him as remotly equivalent of duke or byrd.

Oh and Duke was a democrat when he first gained office.

#16 | Posted by TaoWarrior

So are you saying he didn't feel welcome there and moved to a more accommodating party?

Thanks again and again and again to you f**kers at the NRA.

What's the big deal? It's now legal to bring a machine gun to a national park if you so choose.

Protecting the American Way of Death: a toxic marriage between the GOP and the NRA.

The museum normally has a heavy security presence with guards positioned both inside and outside. All visitors are required to pass through metal detectors at the entrance, and bags are screened.

So did this guy start blasting on the street, or did he make it past "heavy security" through metal detectors and bag screening before he started firing?

What's the big deal? It's now legal to bring a machine gun to a national park if you so choose.

What's a machine gun?

Protecting the American Way of Death: a toxic marriage between the GOP and the NRA.

So what you're saying is that if you're against intrusive gun regulations, you're both a member of the NRA and the GOP, but if you're for those things, you're not?

Funny.

I can't find my membership card to either organization. Buffalo Bob says that gun ownership and the Second Amendment are Liberal ideas.

Guess Electro412 really didn't like being banned from the Retort.

Have fun being dead, old racist.

On a rambling, racist and bitterly anti-semitic website a man who identifies himself as James W. von Brunn claims to be a former World War II PT boat captain who was decorated for his conduct in battle, and was an advertising executive and film producer in New York City.

He claims to be a member of Mensa, "the high-IQ society," and in 1981 was convicted in D.C. Superior Court for an offense that is not made clear. He was "convicted by a Negro jury, Jew/Negro attorneys, and sentenced to prison for eleven years by a Jew judge. A Jew/Negro/White Court of Appeals denied his appeal. He served 6.5 years in federal prison."

He says he is now an artist and author living on Maryland's Eastern Shore.
He refers on his website to "Marxist/Liberal/Jews bankers," and provides this information in a poisonous biographical entry.

"Over my years of adversity, it became clear to me that a JEW strategy had emerged: "Kill the Best Gentiles!" The tactics were WAR & DEBT...I was chased from one job to another for not genuflecting before God's Chosen. When a Jew CEO deliberately farts in a business meeting, to express his contempt, I seem to react unfavorably."

Roeder/ von Brunn 2012: The NOP have their Men!

Or is Johnson really vonn Brunn?

Thanks again and again and again to you f**kers at the NRA.

#18 | POSTED BY TURNLEFTB42LATE

Another misguided individual who doesn't believe personal responsibility plays a HUGE part in crime.

It's the availability of guns that caused all of this right? The personal decision to commit a plays no part in the equation?

I bet you were in favor of the smokers who sued the tobacco companies? It was the availability of cigarettes that caused their cancer, not the fact they made the personal decision to smoke them right?

Geez.

Sounds like he's bat shit crazy.

Thanks again and again and again to you f**kers at the NRA.

What's the big deal? It's now legal to bring a machine gun to a national park if you so choose.

Protecting the American Way of Death: a toxic marriage between the GOP and the NRA.

See, this is what ignorance gets you. If you had done a little research on this guy, you would find out on his wikipedia entry (cached since evidently wikipedia has moved quick to remove the original text):

User: James W. von Brunn, b.1920, attempted to place the Federal Resrve Board of Governors under legal, non-violent citizens arrest, 12-7-81. Von Brunn charged the FED with treason and other high crimes. The FED, a private stock-company, owned by International bankers, financed the construction of manufacturing plants in the Soviet Union during the "Cold War." War materials, produced by FED financed plants, were used by the Enemy against American military forces in Viet Nam, and elsewhere.

Von Brunn was tried and convicted by a Washington, D.C. kangaroo court; then sentenced to eleven years in federal prison by Judge Harriet Rosen Taylor; the sentence was confirmed by a racially motivated Appeals Court. Von Brunn was imprisoned for 6.5-years.

Von Brunn champions Western Culture,and the practice of Eugenics. He states that Marxism-Multiculturalism-
Judaism is the Enemy of Mankind.citing Talmudic quotes to "Kill the Best Gentiles !"

Von Brunn was president of his college fraternity, SAE. He served as PT-Boat captain, USNR, during WW2, earning 4-battle stars and a Commendation Ribbon. His early business career was in NYC as copywriter, art-director and film producer; later as a real-estate broker; and lastly as a writer-artist.

Allegedly a member of Mensa...

I've BEEN worried Obama's presidency would make race relations WORSE in America.

Praying that the security guard in "grave condition" survives and gets better.

Hey Moon-did you actually read his wiki entry? Wanna bet he wrote it himself? Convicted of what? By a "kangaroo" court? A "racially motivated" Appeals Court? I'm betting he was 4-F in WW2.

James Von Brunn, Born 1920, White Supremest, Holocaust mesuem... Genuine article Nazi perhaps?

A D.C. Superior Court jury yesterday convicted a New Hampshire man of attempting to kidnap members of the Federal Reserve Board, stemming from a 1981 incident in which the man was arrested at the board's headquarters carrying several weapons.
According to police, James Von Brunn, 61, of Lebanon, N.H., told them after his arrest that he wanted to take board members hostage to focus media attention on the board's responsibility for high interest rates and the nation's economic difficulties.

Von Brunn entered the board's headquarters at 21st Street and Constitution Avenue NW with a bag slung over his shoulder. He was captured by a guard after running to the second floor, where the board was meeting. He was detained outside the board room and was carrying a revolver, a hunting knife and a sawed-off shotgun, police said.
The jury yesterday convicted Von Brunn of attempted kidnaping while armed, second-degree burglary, assault with a dangerous weapon, carrying a pistol without a license and two counts of possession of a prohibited weapon.

Just an honest, sane citizen exercising his Second Amendent rights...

Wanna bet he wrote it himself?

Duh! He did.

According to the other news reports out there, he was arrested in 1981 for rushing the boardroom of the Federal Reserve with a shotgun. He claimed it was in protest of high taxes.

He was sentenced to 11 years and served in federal prison.

The gun he had was therefore not legal. Which means no amount of gun control would have stopped this sick motherfucker since he obviously didn't give a shit about the law.

from above...

Sounds like he's bat shit crazy.

#24 | Posted by Axiom at 2009-06-10 03:17 PM |

Yep. Sad thing is these people, when they blow
their preverbial gaskets, never have the bravery to just remove themselves from the gene pool.

They always take innocents with them.

I'm sure as the Reality of a Black man in the
White House (and a President that is fairly popular over a large segment of society) sinks in to certain
less tollerable groups in America, that even more wingnuts will come out of the woodwork. That's a good thing...just wish they would get gunned down or arrested before taking others with them.

This is what a lifetime of hatespeech and hate media does to a person...how sad for his family...
what a ruined epitaph...

Just an honest, sane citizen exercising his Second Amendent rights...

If you say so Northguy.

Personally I think he was a sick piece of shit that didn't give a shit about the law.

Spin it the way you want to.

Von Brunn was president of his college fraternity, SAE.

SAE?
=
Same
Assholes
Everywhere

A heavily Jewish Fraternity in most environs

interesting...

"James Von Brunn, Born 1920, White Supremest, Holocaust museum... Genuine article Nazi perhaps?"

YEAH!

Perhaps, but a FreeRepublic.com Poster for Sure!

And you know what that means in "republican" bubble world ---- he's a democrat!

Shepard Smith of Fox News, once again proves that given a chance has proven that he is a NEWSMAN. This White Supremist that shot up the Museum must feel like his side has lost with a Black President an the power of the Jews in America. Ms Napalitiano may have something in her report when she said that the possibility that the servicemen may come back to become home grown TERRIOST..... No ,matter what thier age, Fox News has been the leader to condemn that report, today Shep Smith became a real AMERICAN in my eyes........The Truth will set you free......

Personally I think he was a sick piece of shit that didn't give a shit about the law.

Yup. But I expect he's one of those wackjobs that interpret the law to suit their delusions. Basically, just another rightwing domestic terrorist.

Sad part is he's got a lot of buddies here (see the Fedfreaks)and at the Teabaggers' Balls.

Nice thread, Redneck. Looks like it got pulled. What exactly were you hoping we would see? Keep in mind, we don't want to see those porn pictures of you with that sheep again. Once was enough to give me nightmares.

It is time to start targeting these right wing nutjobs.

One week an abortion doctor is killed and the perpatrator is giving interviews from jail??!! WTF

Next week this nut blows away a guard at the holocaust museum.

These people do not know how to fucntion in a democracy. They don't want government, they want THEIR government all day, all the time, screw the majority!!!

The ebb and flow of USA politics be damned.

Stay tuned to this channel for the next installment of RIGHT WING NUTJOB GOES BERSERK AND KILLS _____ (fill in the blanks) innocent bystanders.

Basically, just another rightwing domestic terrorist.

LOL... unlike the left-wing terrorist that use bombs in police stations, etc.

You keep trying to polarize this story, and the attempt just keeps making you look like an ignorant hack.

Keep it up. You're creating some good guffaw material.

KUDOS, to Shepard Smith for being a First Class News Person. Not since His reporting in KATRINA, did I watch Fox News with some sort of admiration for a FOX News personality. Today's reporting about the shooting at the Holocaust Museum was to notch, Surely he will get a lot of flack from the Extremist groups from the right an some from Fox personalities themselves for saying that the report from the Obama administration about Right Wing Extremist must be watched because of thier hatred for what is going on in our Country....

"MOOMANFL"....You ignorant fuck the last time a LEFTIST group planted a bomb at a Police Station was in the 1960's, Please grow up you fucking RACIST.....

Racist?

Um... how do you get racism out of anything I said?

In this case, Celisary, I would say that "he who smelt it, delt it".

But then to a hammer I suppose everything looks like a nail.

Basically, just another rightwing domestic terrorist.

LOL... unlike the left-wing terrorist that use bombs in police stations, etc.

No, exactly the same. And they should be handled exactly the same way they were. Arrested or assasinated.

Let the de-tea bagging commence!

Not exactly the same?

Killing and terrorizing for a political agenda? How is that not the same?

BTW... I agree with the method of dealing with them, both left and right varieties.

Further note,

The tea party protesters don't fall into that group. They aren't advocating violence.

Maybe you weren't meaning to imply that they were terrorist, but it sure seemed to be that way. I am simply trying to give you credit for being smarter than that.

The Security Guard has died, now all of the emergency Doctors can put all of thier attention to the Racist Killer, now those Jewish and Black Doctors can save this PRICK!!!

"What exactly were you hoping we would see?"

Looks like the free republic has pulled his post(s).

But anyway, there is more and Im sure a cached page of his FreeRepublic.com posts will materialize shortly

WOW....all the extreme right-wing terrorist groups are acting up lately.

at some point one has wonder whether some form of mind control was use on this fellow to make anyone who is a critic of the FED RESERVE bs & the 6 million figure a suspected felon or something.

Patrick Stewart's vicous doctor character in Mel Gibson's "Conspiracy Theory" comes to mind

Gunman was a white supremacist....Like Algore's grand daddy and other Democrats. And he hated Jews....just like most on the DR who rail against Israel.

Doctors can put all of thier attention to the Racist Killer, now those Jewish and Black Doctors can save this PRICK!!!

I hope so.

He went down to quick the first time.

I say we turn him over to a bunch of Jews for some Old Testament style punishment.

But that is just me.

"The tea party protesters don't fall into that group."

Sure they don't --- they fall into a group (special) all of their own.

A group that despite the hilarious Irony, still thinks it's relevant and representative.

To see an example of this in action, the next time some teabagger present themselves --- ask them where they were for the eight years Before Obama took office. I haven't encountered one that didn't skedaddle with a sense of urgency after such a query (cause resorting to childish name calling doesn't go down so well in person)!

"just like most on the DR who rail against Israel."

Riight....Even many Jews in Israel oppose much of Israeli policy. Are they white supremacists too???

I may foolishly be trying to subscribe logic to an inherently illogically behavior.... but why do White Supremecists hate Jewish people anyway? Aren't most Jews white? Is it just cause they aren't Christian?

It's a shame the guard didn't make it though. Maybe the old son of a bitch will die, 88 is a little old to bounce back from a gsw.

"ask them where they were for the eight years Before Obama took office."

Their favorite answer is, "we have to look forward not backward."

Sure they don't --- they fall into a group (special) all of their own.

If you think they qualify as terrorist, the show some evidence. I know you don't have any, but the attempt will provide a few laughs.

To see an example of this in action, the next time some teabagger present themselves...

Redneck, you don't have the cajones necessary to stand up to a Girl Scout cookie salesgirl never mind an adult tea protester. I know your post represents what you WISH you could do, along with an invented fantasy of how you would like them to react to your dream of being a big, smart tough guy. Reality is a bit sadder though. Just take another swig out of the bottle and dream a little dream.

I heard that this was a jealous rage killing, the 88 year old suspect having found the victim in bed with his wife.

Duke? Lott?

How about an elderly white supremest, racist, Jew hating nut job. Forget the other nut jobs. This guy did this himself. We can possibly give a bit of blame to old age and senility. I hope. Some of the posters seem to feel this thread is just ripe for humor. A man is dead and that is just not very damned funny.

The security guard is a hero!

He reportedly put himself in front of the gunman and took the bullet.

If the gunman would have gotten into the museum--this could have been 100 times worse.

I agree 100%, Murphy.

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Riight....Even many Jews in Israel oppose much of Israeli policy. Are they white supremacists too???

#53 | Posted by danni

ABSOLUTEY FLAG!

So let me get this straight, a white supremest kills a black guard who is protecting a Jewish museum?

There's a seriously unconscionable 101 joke in there somewhere.

Murph is right about the guard.

All hail security guards a brave and noble profession. I will be sure to have a moment in silence for my fallen comrades.

"The security guard is a hero!"

Gotta agree with Murphy on this one.

Fuckin' rightwingnut psychos. Hey at least this one has the change up that he's not a christian. Hates them too.

So far:

1. Abortionists
2. Jews
3. I hope we're guarding all the MLK Jr Memorials because if I was in the AA community, I'd be getting pretty nervous.
All the rednecks are going off the deepend.

Can I get a YEEEEEEEE-------HAAAAAAAWWW!!?

Gunman was a white supremacist....Like Algore's grand daddy and other Democrats. And he hated Jews....just like most on the DR who rail against Israel.

#50 | Posted by TheOneBS at 2009-06-10 04:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

TheOneBullshit,

How do you equate not approving of the actions by the Govt of Israel with 'hating jews'?

So, I guess that makes you a Christian hater, after all, you talk ill of Hugo Chavez and that is Christian nation.

Why do you hate the Christians?

To see an example of this in action, the next time some teabagger present themselves...

Redneck, you don't have the cajones necessary to stand up to a Girl Scout cookie salesgirl never mind an adult tea protester. I know your post represents what you WISH you could do, along with an invented fantasy of how you would like them to react to your dream of being a big, smart tough guy. Reality is a bit sadder though. Just take another swig out of the bottle and dream a little dream.

#56 | Posted by moomanfl at 2009-06-10 04:20 PM | Reply | Flag:

Leave it to a douche-nozzle like you to try to twist the words "ask them where they were for the eight years Before Obama took office" into some some make believe conflict.

Your saying that you cant talk politics with someone you disagree with face-to-face without expecting it to become physical. Says a lot about you (none of it good).

Fuckin' rightwingnut psychos. Hey at least this one has the change up that he's not a christian. Hates them too.

All the rednecks are going off the deepend.

#66 | Posted by briwo

What does this even mean?

I see common people getting upset with the direction of the country and some of the unstable in the fringes are losing control.

What's Obama going to do about it?

What's Obama going to do about it?

Posted by Eddie

whatever he has to in case eleven more congressmen get on board to audit the FED:>)

Fox News is back with thier BULLSHIT, first Ralph Peters an now Glen Beck are trying to justify the killing at the museum as "THE ARE RADICALS ON BOTH SIDES". An wondering how President Obama's actions are leading these crazies to do such things....

#71 | Posted by celisary

do you have a link for this?

An wondering how President Obama's actions are leading these crazies to do such things....

#71 | Posted by celisary

It's not Obama, it's Obama and the Libs in Congress.

I'm not sure if you've been paying attention, but Obama and the Dems in Congress are changing the direction of the country and millions of citizens don't like it. In fact, they are willing t otake up arms to change it back. They are afraid.

"In fact, they are willing t otake up arms to change it back."

Do you support that?

why do White Supremecists hate Jewish people anyway? Aren't most Jews white? Is it just cause they aren't Christian?It's a shame the guard didn't make it though. Maybe the old son of a bitch will die, 88 is a little old to bounce back from a gsw.#54 | Posted by astrobuckeye at 2009-06-10 04:15 PM | Reply

Most White Supremacists hate Christians too.

They're a wicked bunch.

Ran into a bunch of hammerskins in my old ska days...bastards.

Fuckin' rightwingnut psychos. Hey at least this one has the change up that he's not a christian. Hates them too.

So far:

1. Abortionists
2. Jews
3. I hope we're guarding all the MLK Jr Memorials because if I was in the AA community, I'd be getting pretty nervous.
All the rednecks are going off the deepend.

Can I get a YEEEEEEEE-------HAAAAAAAWWW!!?

#66 | Posted by briwo

Hey arse--you forgot the friggin muslim who killed the soldier.

Most White Supremacists hate Christians too.

They're a wicked bunch.

#75 | Posted by kirk

That's pretty much true--they hate everyone different from themselves.

Doesn't this guy have a website?

Most White Supremacists hate Christians too.

Horseshit. They call it Christian Identity.

Their whole argument is that God made them better. White Supremacists have religion written all over them and they vast majority are Christians.

you never know how those 9/11 truthers are going to react:

manypaths - "He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now." 1 john 2:9

one CANNOT claim christianity and hate their fellow human beings, especially to the point of murder. hatred actually preempts murder and is equated with murder throughout the bible. hatred is a form of murder.

I guess he didn't have a Julia Roberts to save him from a Capt. Picard's type of character ~ like in "Conspiracy Theory"

one CANNOT claim christianity and hate their fellow human beings, especially to the point of murder. - nanc

Tell that to the dead doctor you fucking hypocrite.

Tell that to the fags you loathe you fucking pig.

Oh, and fuck you.

Hypocrisy is the act of being less critical of oneself than of others. A well-known example is the smoker criticising someone else for smoking:

Father : You shouldn't smoke.
Son : But you smoke.
Father : Yes, but I've had a hard day at work and I need to relax.

nanc - Christians don't murder
MP - but Christians kill abortion doctors and are proud of their heros that do
nanc - That's different

Yeah, I got it, thanks!

Abortion Doctor Killed

herm will be in mourning.

#1 | Posted by nanc at

She couldn't wait to profess her glee in this man's murder. Fuck You!

This von Brunn shitbag would fit right in with the repug 'birthers' on the DR.

Von Brunn, an oil painter from Annapolis, Md., posts on neo-Nazi Web sites and is the author of a self-published book titled "Kill the Best Gentiles" that he claims "exposes the Jews and explains what you must do to protect your White family."

He was also a "birther" - questioning the legitimacy of President Obama's birth certificate in screeds posted on conservative Web forums.

What do Obama and God have in common?

- Neither one has a birth certificate.



How do they differ?

- God does not think He is Obama.



What also is different?

- Liberals love Obama.

Do you support that?

#74 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2009-06-10 05:46 PM | Reply | Flag

If it's the only option, yes.

But! We have far too many options for changing government and the direction this country is taken at our disposal to resort to violence.

Or...have you forgotten this

#82 | Posted by Manypaths at 2009-06-10 06:16 PM | Reply | Flag:can you feel the leftie love?!?

#85 | Posted by Manypaths at 2009-06-10 06:29 PM | Reply | Flag:bookkeeper

#91 | Posted by nanc at 2009-06-10 07:10 PM | Reply | Flag: I love Rush

Horseshit. They call it Christian Identity.

Their whole argument is that God made them better.

Wasn't that the gist of Gingrich's speech to the NOPpers?

And Eddie-guys like vonn Brun have been around a long time before Obama-40 years ago he would have been wearing a white robe and lynching blacks.

You may want to have somebody read the article to you-he was sent to jail in 1981 for being a whack job.

"he was sent to jail in 1981"

So it's illegal for him to have a gun, therefore this couldn't have possibly happened. Besides guns are verboten in DC so he couldn't have possibly had a gun anyway.

You may want to have somebody read the article to you-he was sent to jail in 1981 for being a whack job.

Yay!

So he shouldn't have been allowed to purchase a gun. Which means either he lied to buy it (probably not) or someone gave it to him (find out who, put them on trial right beside him) or he bought it illegally.

So, basically, more restriction for law abiding citizens would not have stopped this guy from doing what he did.

So, basically, more restriction for law abiding citizens would not have stopped this guy from doing what he did.

Posted by Axiom

absolutely not

#96 - Things are so much easier when someone is willing to give a reasonable answer to a question such as mine.

"There is a connection between James Von Brunn and EVERYBODY the entrenched powers do not like.

"That's why this looks like a staged incident." Michael Rivero wrh

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On Wed, 10 Jun 2009 17:15:42 -0500, "Fragger" wrote:

This story was just on the news. The idiot wasn't some old man in his pictures (taken from his own hate website) showed a late middle aged man fill with a ton of hate. Yes, he was one of those whites only types and his killing of a black guard will only please him if he survives.(cheaper and better for all if he doesn't) This guard is as much a victim of the holocaust as any one in Europe. His name should appear on the full rolls of those that died their or anywhere.

Wifeypoo just heard a physician interviewed on "Democracy Now" suggest that the nation's war on terror should focus on "Christian" extremists like the museum killer and the physician's killer, rather than Moslems who lack much clout anyway. Operation Rescue, Holocaust deniers, global warming deniers, ultrta-evangelicals are our real threat. herm

Mcveigh and the idiot at museum today are not representative of conservative people anymore than Bill Ayers or the Unibomber are representative of the Left in this country. Anyone from either side that try to make either one of those cases should have their heads examined.

Operation Rescue, Holocaust deniers, global warming deniers, ultrta-evangelicals are our real threat. herm

Now what would you have said if Bush had started rounding up Anti-War protesters or Pro Choice Advocates?

Well, I know what you would have said. That's why you're not just a shitty old fart. You're a shitty old hypocritical fart.

Some would call him crazy. The GOP call him
their base. Perhaps, the Idiocy In Broadcasting
Network will make him Rush's sidekick.

She couldn't wait to profess her glee in this man's murder. Fuck You!

#86 | Posted by Manypaths

Are you pissed off because some wacko came and shot this guy or are you pissed off because you think you're right and can't prove it?

Yes. Many people believe that shooting an abortionist is a righteous thing to do. I don't, but if I think of all the children he killed (because the mother decided to have it done), then I don't really have any love for the man. The man thought he was doing a service. And Hitler thought he was doing the right thing too.

You know what's really evil, ManyPaths? You don't like Conservatives, so you harp on anything that you think is negative, plus you make shit up. no, no... FUCK YOU!

Operation Rescue, Holocaust deniers, global warming deniers, ultrta-evangelicals are our real threat. herm

#101 | Posted by herm

YES! It is a threat.

A threat to your evil Progressive movement!

Except for the holocaust deniers. Funny, how you idiotically lump that one in there. Operation Rescue is the exact opposite of a Holocaust denier! The real threat is seemingly moral people, like you, knowing about it and doing nothing!

Global Warming Deniers? Are you kidding? Look at the debt we're racking up because of your fantom problem!!!

ultra-evangelicals: Name one (besides Wright) LOL!

Operation Rescue, Holocaust deniers, global warming deniers, ultrta-evangelicals are our real threat. HARM

Operation Rescue verified kills = +/- 9?
Holocauset deniers verified kills = ?
Global warming deniers verified kills = 0
Ultrta (sp)-evangelicals verified kills = 0?

Abortion doctors verified kills = 45,000,000 and counting.

Yep, you sure are good at enemy recognition. Your wife however is not.

this guy is a leftist, hated jews, bush and mccain:

don't know why that link came out like that...

Operation Rescue verified kills = +/- 9?

Abortion doctors verified kills = 45,000,000 and counting.
#107 | Posted by ELCIDCE90

Elcid is one of the madly deluded people who doesn't understand that abortion is not murder.

Elcid is part of the problem of people not respecting the laws of our nation.

Elcid is the kind of person that could convince a wingnut like Roeder go off and Assassinate someone helping women in need, because neither understand the reality of law.

don't even try to blame him on conservatives.

So now Truthers aren't Conservative? what fucking country do you live in Nanc?

But, your posting this in the wrong topic, there is a dc gunman thread in case your confused...

opps my bad i though I was in another thread...

Elcid is one of the madly deluded people who doesn't understand that abortion is not murder.

#110 | Posted by Repugnant

LOL. Yes it is. Deluded?

LOL. Yes it is. Deluded?

#113 | Posted by Eddie

Not in general however, these late term jobs and partial bith types are.

NOTHEGUY3: Seems in researching the Holocaust Museum bomber it turns out he hates neocons, jews, both Bushes, McCain and believes 911 was an inside job. Sounds like a wacko leftie to me - just like the and Uni-bomber and Ayers.

I guess the lefty terrorists are slipping since it's been 24 hours

I just don't know what to make of a White Supremest walking into the Holocaust Museum and shooting a Black man other than I am sure the American Indians are pissed they were left out.

So now White Supremacists are leftist according to the Neo-con artists??

Why have the Klan been voting and supporting Conservative Republicans all these years then?

Guns don't kill people, conservatives with guns kill people.

Hey Scooter, I'll put a Bush bumper sticker on my car, you put a Clinton bumper sticker on your car and we'll both drive to an Aryan Nation rally. We'll see who gets out alive.

Like you can afford a bumper sticker, let alone a car, shitheap.

So, basically, more restriction for law abiding citizens would not have stopped this guy from doing what he did.

#95 | Posted by Axiom at 2009-06-10 07:56 PM | Reply | Flag:

No guns----no crime here.

NOTHEGUY3: Seems in researching the Holocaust Museum bomber it turns out he hates neocons, jews, both Bushes, McCain and believes 911 was an inside job. Sounds like a wacko leftie to me - just like the and Uni-bomber and Ayers.

I guess the lefty terrorists are slipping since it's been 24 hours

#115 | Posted by scooter28054 at 2009-06-11 02:33 PM | Reply | Flag

This guy is a right wing nut job and has never had anything to do with the left. He hates America--a right wing trait that includes the Bushes, McCain, Obama, Clinton, and all American leaders. That isn't a lefty. He's one of yours.

Lefties know the holocaust happened. Righties are alway the deniers. That isn't a lefty. He's one of yours.

Lefties don't hate Jews or anyone else, except those who hate freedom. Righties are theJe haters. That isn't a lefty. He's one of yours.

The majority of Americans doubt the government bullshit on 911. That is a American trait.

Wow, the dipshits are really trying to disown this guy. He was a member of FreeRepublic.com. Anyone who's ever posted there knows that you get banned if you don't march in lockstep.

Like you can afford a bumper sticker, let alone a car, shitheap.

#119 | Posted by 101Chairpoodle

Actually, I'm in the process of buying a house right now. I'd invite you over but I don't want shit smeared on the walls.

This guy is not a lefty or a rightie...he is a psycho who searched high and low for justifications for his homicidal desires and felt political ones would make him a martyr instead of a killer.

"This guy is not a lefty or a rightie..."

He is just as much a rightie as Timothy McVeigh was.

#125 Probably. No true rightie or lefty would use innocent deaths to justify their vision IMHO, only psychos who want to kill and need justification do.

BBob,

Was Stalin a righty too?

BTW - the whole guilt by association thing is stupid.

Even if this guy favored lefty causes, the fact that he's a psycho in no way tars lefties who are not psychos.

BBob,

Was Stalin a righty too?

#127 | Posted by JeffJ at 2009-06-11 03:23 PM | Reply | Flag

Do you think he was a liberal? Was he for liberty and justice for all? Righties don't think liberty and justice for all is good for anything but a slogan for votes as they wave the flag. Lefties believe all men should be treated as equals. Where do you think Stalins sentiments would have been?

Sure Bob.

All things bad = the right
All things good = the left

Copy those 2 sentences and save yourself a ton of keystrokes every time you post on issues like this.

" Lefties believe all men should be treated as equals."

As long as to do what you tell them, say what you want and only think in approved thought. But the really funny thing is that communism is based off the idea that no one is greater than another, i'm sure you would know that if you ever passed the 4th grade.

Lefties believe all men should be treated as equals.

Which is why they tend to favor programs like Affirmative Action?

#130

I have been telling him "Duh" would save us all time and still get his point across just fine.

#130 | Posted by JeffJ at 2009-06-11 03:31 PM | Reply | Flag

I noticed you didn't respond to the post---simply posted more of your brainwashing. Run along zombie.

Lefties believe all men should be treated as equals.

Which is why they tend to favor programs like Affirmative Action?

#132 | Posted by JeffJ at 2009-06-11 03:32 PM

All animals are created equal, but some are more equal than others- Orwell.

There was nothing to respond to, Bbob.

All you said was the right is all bad and the left is all good.

The only appropriate response to that line of "logic" is to satirize it.

Which is why they tend to favor programs like Affirmative Action?

#132 | Posted by JeffJ at 2009-06-11 03:32 PM | Reply | Flag:

Yes--affirmative action levels the playing field, giving all a better shot at equality of opportunities. Of course you righties only want rich white people to have a good education and job opportunities.

Actually, I'm in the process of buying a house right now. I'd invite you over but I don't want shit smeared on the walls.

#123 | Posted by RastaCyborg at 2009-06-11 03:13 PM | Reply

Unless you're new house is a fast food joint you're safe.

(congrats on the house).

Yes--affirmative action levels the playing field, giving all a better shot at equality of opportunities.

Affirmative Action is the application of a different set of standards for different groups based upon skin color. If you want to argue that it's a good and necessary program - fine. But when you say that "Lefties believe all men should be treated as equals." expect to be called out when lefties champion a program that DOESN'T treat all men as equals.

Of course you righties only want rich white people to have a good education and job opportunities.

Ah yes, the classical case of intellectual laziness.

If one doesn't support x-lefty cause, then said person hates x-lefty victim group.

I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character. -MLK

A true Liberal

Affirmative Action is the application of a different set of standards for different groups based upon skin color. If you want to argue that it's a good and necessary program - fine. But when you say that "Lefties believe all men should be treated as equals." expect to be called out when lefties champion a program that DOESN'T treat all men as equals.

#139 | Posted by JeffJ

I think the point (at least from my perspective) is that ideally everyone is treated equally, assuming everyone starts from the same point. In reality, when you have certain groups that were treated very unequally for centuries, you cannot just flip a switch and say "OK, everything is rectified".

For those who would say that the Civil War was 144 years ago, I would point out that the last of the racial discrimination laws weren't overturned until 40 years ago, within many of our lifetimes.

There was nothing to respond to, Bbob.

All you said was the right is all bad and the left is all good.

The only appropriate response to that line of "logic" is to satirize it.

#136 | Posted by JeffJ at 2009-06-11 03:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

Again--you lie. I said nothing of the kind. Try again.

Question ONE

Do you think he was a liberal?

Nothing about the right is all bad and the left is all good. You must be delusional. Can you answer the question?

Question TWO

Was he for liberty and justice for all?

Nothing about the right is all bad and the left is all good. You must be delusional. Can you answer the question?

Statement ONE

Righties don't think liberty and justice for all is good for anything but a slogan for votes as they wave the flag.

Nothing about the right is all bad and the left is all good. You must be delusional. Can you respond to the statement?

Statement TWO

Lefties believe all men should be treated as equals.

Nothing about the right is all bad and the left is all good. You must be delusional. Can you respond to the statement?

Question THREE

Where do you think Stalins sentiments would have been?

Nothing about the right is all bad and the left is all good. You must be delusional. Can you answer the question?

I think the point (at least from my perspective) is that ideally everyone is treated equally, assuming everyone starts from the same point. In reality, when you have certain groups that were treated very unequally for centuries, you cannot just flip a switch and say "OK, everything is rectified".

I am not stating that the program is without merit. I was just rubbing BBob's nose in his comment by pointing out that an awful lot of lefties, himself included, favor a program that does NOT treat everyone equally.

Affirmative Action is the application of a different set of standards for different groups based upon skin color. If you want to argue that it's a good and necessary program - fine. But when you say that "Lefties believe all men should be treated as equals." expect to be called out when lefties champion a program that DOESN'T treat all men as equals.

#139 | Posted by JeffJ at 2009-06-11 03:39 PM | Reply | Flag

The law equalizes the playing field for all men as much as possible. Without such a law, the bigotry of this country would have seen riots that would have torn the country apart. The lessons of the 60's shouldn't be forgotten---I doubt you ever learned them. That you see it as inequality simply shows your narrow mindedness and explains your right leaning tendencies.

I would point out that the last of the racial discrimination laws weren't overturned until 40 years ago, within many of our lifetimes.

#142 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue at 2009-06-11 03:44 PM | Reply

Sure, that's correct, no argument. I just don't see how that leads to things such as dropping a swim requirement for the Miami-Dade Sheriff's test so that more blacks can make it.

Also, weren't laws against discriminating against women abolihed after those of blacks?

Nothing about the right is all bad and the left is all good. You must be delusional.

Here is the post I was parodying:

This guy is a right wing nut job and has never had anything to do with the left. He hates America--a right wing trait that includes the Bushes, McCain, Obama, Clinton, and all American leaders. That isn't a lefty. He's one of yours.

Lefties know the holocaust happened. Righties are alway the deniers. That isn't a lefty. He's one of yours.

Lefties don't hate Jews or anyone else, except those who hate freedom. Righties are theJe haters. That isn't a lefty. He's one of yours.

The majority of Americans doubt the government bullshit on 911. That is a American trait.

#121 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob

The entire post can be summed up as follows:

The right = all things bad
The left = all things good

That you see it as inequality simply shows your narrow mindedness and explains your right leaning tendencies.

IT IS a program that is based on inequality. That is indisputable fact.

Whether or not it's a good program is debatable, but it IS a program that legalizes discrimination based upon skin color.

Kanrei says, "A true Liberal"

Yes, indeed, and because he supported the LIBERAL Constitution of the United States ... which represents TRUE freedom and liberty for the individual ... an extremely *liberal* document, even in comparison to any other nation's law limiting government in favor of the person, in today's world.

The term "liberal" has been suborned and falsely identified with efforts to establish economic socialism ... not free the individual and safeguard their collective LIBERTY!

Leftist liars conflate economic socialism with being "liberal," and where it doesn't at all, but rather tries to modify the social structure of our society and economic system ... one which has successfully provided the world with the hope of obtaining our degree of liberal law to protect them.

Democrats and their leftish ilk want to change the economic system to one which has demonstratebly FAILED throughout the world of today, and every time it has been attempted in history ...

... destroyers of liberty calling themselve's "liberals" ...

To me, they are either ignorant scum for votes, or knowing scum for votes ...

Tad,
Just like there is nothing conservative about "Conservatives."

Also, weren't laws against discriminating against women abolihed after those of blacks?

#146 | Posted by 101Chairborne

Technically yes. In practice, no.

And I agree that there are definite cases where Affirmative Action is taken way to far. I agree with the President we've reached a point where AA should begin to be phased out, and need weighted more than race.

Kanrei please don't feed the Turdowe troll or it'll stink up the whole thread.

"and need weighted more than race."

Can you explain that more?

That the need of the individual should count more than race.

IE - Obama has said his daughters should never benefit from Affirmative Action.

I am not stating that the program is without merit. I was just rubbing BBob's nose in his comment by pointing out that an awful lot of lefties, himself included, favor a program that does NOT treat everyone equally.

#144 | Posted by JeffJ at 2009-06-11 03:48 PM | Reply | Flag:

You have a strange set of values I hope to never understand. I think it is a brain dysfunction.

Affirmative action laws address the problem of bigotry in hiring that the nation endured for almost 200 years.

That you see affirmative action as taking a bigoted workforce and making it an equal opportunity workforce and call that unfair, simply illustrates the right wing view.

The left is for freedom and justice for all. Affirmative Action fits that nicely. I understand your opposition completely.

Kanrei tries sarcasm, "Just like there is nothing conservative about 'Conservatives.'"

Your sarcasm misrepresents reality, and since the term "conservative" has also been falsely associated with the "rightwing." There are many Democrats who are conservatives and defend our Constitution ... not modify it to suit the social millieu of the moment ... and they are politically "leftwing."

All of those terms evolved from British parlimentarian conduct; where the royalists sat on the right, and those sponsoring democratic rule sat on the left.

Facing the Speakers podium, the Democrats are seated on the Left, but have evolved into political correctness ... not freedom of speech or democratic freedom to speak one's mind, politically ...

Still, those on the right of the Speaker's podium, are timid in their "conservatism," at best. They are more like pale imitations of the left of the aisle ... "moderate" stutterers, at best ...

Rogue,

Let's take college - they have entrance standards for a reason. When they adjust the curve on the basis of race, they are setting an awful lot of kids up to fail. The dropout rate for AA students is considerably higher than for non AA students. I believe the reason for this is that some of these kids are being placed into a college that is 'above their pay-grade' and they can't hack it as a result.

You tell me which is better:

2 years and then dropout at a Big 10 school, or a Bachelor's degree from a MAC school?

Technically yes. In practice, no.

#151 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue at 2009-06-11 04:00 PM | Reply

The Right to Vote?

#147 | Posted by JeffJ at 2009-06-11 03:53 PM | Reply | Flag

I understand. I am familiar with the right wing problem of simplistic thinking. Your illustration of a first level thought and a knee jerk response has been a right wing staple for decades. Such processes ran the country for 8 years.

#157 | Posted by JeffJ at 2009-06-11 04:13 PM | Reply

That's one of the many examples of good ideas gone wrong.

I always think of the smart white kid that couldn't go to Harvard or Princeton because somebody that didn't work as hard or as smart as they did was black or hispanic.

Life ain't fair, but that's just one of those things.

I understand your opposition completely.

No, you don't.

I have no problem "rectifying" institutional racism.

I strongly question whether or not AA accomplishes what it sets out to do. I have serious concerns that the unintended consequences cause more harm than the good that the program accomplishes.

I gave one example regarding college.

Another example is Clarence Thomas - he makes the point that the stigma associated with AA implied that his law degree was worthless and thus made it even harder to find gainful employment.

"That the need of the individual should count more than race."

So you would still avoid reward based on merit?
I would think that the best system would be based on punishment of discrimination. If you can prove that you were as qualified and you were not hired or admitted then there should be a penalty. I have trouble forcing the schools and businesses to accept the unqualified. I am all for equality but any time that someone is judged based on anything other then applicable merit then equality is negated.

The Right to Vote?

#158 | Posted by 101Chairborne

Again, technically yes, practically, no.

Blacks were prevented from voting in many southern states for years after they technically had the right.

The granting of rights to women was assimilated into the culture with much less difficulty than the granting of rights to Blacks.

#157 | Posted by JeffJ at 2009-06-11 04:13 PM | Reply | Flag:

Without AA, they wouldn't have been in college at all.

Which is better---a high drop out rate---or none in college at all?

#160 | Posted by 101Chairborne

I actually don't have so much a problem with the unfairness of it for the very reason stated in Rogue's earlier post.

My concern is that it does more harm than good on a macro scale.

This type of critical thought is clearly above BBob who seems to believe that any criticism of it only stems from the desire to keep blacks down.

My concern is that it does more harm than good on a macro scale.

#165 | Posted by JeffJ

I think there is truth to that. The overarching issue is how do we provide equal opportunities for everyone, regardless of race?

Like it or not, we know there is a huge iniquity in our schools and that schools in poorer communities do not have the resources to give kids a fair shot.

So I believe it is time to phase out AA and focus on how to bring our educational system into better balance.

#164 | POSTED BY BUFFALO_BOB
"Without AA, they wouldn't have been in college at all. "

Too great a leap.

This type of critical thought is clearly above BBob who seems to believe that any criticism of it only stems from the desire to keep blacks down.

#165 | Posted by JeffJ at 2009-06-11 04:22 PM | Reply | FlagTalking out his ass again

BBob,

"Without AA, they wouldn't have been in college at all. "

A high school buddy of mine had the exact same GPA and exact same ACT score as me. His last name was "Martinez". He got accepted into of U of M, but had to write a short essay about how difficult it was for him to achieve in school given he is Hispanic. I don't care that he got in and I didn't. He got in due to AA. Were it not for AA he still could have gotten accepted into Michigan State or Albion college, just as I did.

In short, your statement is a non sequitur.

So I believe it is time to phase out AA and focus on how to bring our educational system into better balance.

#166 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue

Exactly.

I always felt that AA tried to treat the symptom but ignored the disease. That's kinda FUBAR.

I think basing admittance on need rather than race makes more sense than Affirmative Action. However, I doubt the numbers of those using AA for college would change much at all using that criteria.

This type of critical thought is clearly above BBob who seems to believe that any criticism of it only stems from the desire to keep blacks down.

#165 | Posted by JeffJ at 2009-06-11 04:22 PM | Reply | FlagTalking out his ass again

#168 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob

You've made several comments on this thread to that effect.

I doubt the numbers of those using AA for college would change much at all using that criteria.

#171 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob

That's possible - but I think it would be a fairer way of trying to level the playing field.

Were it not for AA he still could have gotten accepted into Michigan State or Albion college, just as I did.

In short, your statement is a non sequitur.

#169 | Posted by JeffJ at 2009-06-11 04:35 PM | Reply | Flag

Says you. How many Hispanics went to Michigan State or Albion college in 1960? Prove that there was just as high a percentage then as there is now, or your point is lost. Show that AA was not a factor in Hispanic attendence at those schools.

#172 | Posted by JeffJ at 2009-06-11 04:39 PM | Reply | Flag

That's because you keep talking out your ass--as shown.

AA was better than nothing---and the riots stopped.

" Prove that there was just as high a percentage then as there is now, or your point is lost."

C'mon bob even you cannot truly believe that that would be a legitimate ruler for race relations.

C'mon bob even you cannot truly believe that that would be a legitimate ruler for race relations.

#177 | Posted by salamandagator at 2009-06-11 04:46 PM | Reply | Flag

Why not? Didn't Hispanics want to go to college 1960? Has the proportion of whites to Hispanics changed that much? If so--adjust for the change.

"Didn't Hispanics want to go to college 1960? Has the proportion of whites to Hispanics changed that much?"

It has skyrocketed, they no longer just congregate in migratory towns and there are generations that have now been through school and are qualified for collage.
That's just for starters you cannot just compare numbers.

"qualified for collage."

Sometimes, it just writes itself.

Didn't Hispanics want to go to college 1960? Has the proportion of whites to Hispanics changed that much?"

It has skyrocketed, they no longer just congregate in migratory towns and there are generations that have now been through school and are qualified for collage.
That's just for starters you cannot just compare numbers.

#179 | Posted by salamandagator at 2009-06-11 05:29 PM | Reply | Flag

Read the whole fucking post.

Why not? Didn't Hispanics want to go to college 1960? Has the proportion of whites to Hispanics changed that much? IF SO--ADJUST FOR THE CHANGE.

Did you see that part that time?

"Qualified for this? www.firelands.bgsu.edu"

Hey, it take training to avoid paper cuts.

"IF SO--ADJUST FOR THE CHANGE."

Hmm, so you still think that you can just adjust the numbers to fit the population and it would be an accurate representation? You tell me to read the whole post, did you not see the part where i said it also had to do with the prep need for college(better monte?) or did you just skip that because you don't have the facilities to comprehend that there just might be factors other then the number of hispanics in the country.

"I'd invite you over but I don't want shit smeared on the walls.

#123 | Posted by RastaCyborg"

I don't think 101 would do that. He might pee your bed, but shit on the walls?