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Saturday, June 06, 2009

A plan under consideration by the Obama administration would permit Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, detainees facing the death penalty to plead guilty without a full trial. This option would principally be aimed at a group of detainees accused of planning the Sept. 11, 2001 terror attacks, five people who have already indicated they prefer this resolution of the case.

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North Korea just flashed the middle finger to BHO. Iran is translating BHO's apology as source of energy for nuclear power.

Terrorists may be expecting leniency too --- as BHO and ACLU shows concern for their rights and attempt to demonize Bush and Cheney.

9/11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB.

Investigate the money trail to the Pakistan ISI.

Demand the video tapes be shown of the Pentagon Crash.

Demand the truth.

Predicton: While Obama is President there will be no executions. The Democratic base opposes them, and there is no moral imperative for carrying them out.

Investigate the money trail to the Pakistan ISI.

Worth repeating.

Wouldn't that be a sweet power to have? You have the ability to declare someone an enemy combatant, torture a confession out of them, get them to plead guilty and execute them.

The rule of law is dust in the wind.

"... torture a confession out of them..."

Maybe I'm mixing my news stories, but I seem to remember Sean Hannity confessed to the Sharon Tate murders....

The best part about exeuting these detainess without trial is that it prevents any potentially embarrassing testimony in open court about the use of torture to extract false confessions which are meaningless in any real court of law.

The rule of law is dust in the wind.

"I close my eyes..."

Be Well.

Maybe I'm mixing my news stories, but I seem to remember Sean Hannity confessed to the Sharon Tate murders....

Not yet but if he ever participates in the Sean Hannity "Waterboarding is not Torture" Challenge that he sed he would then he would not only be confessing to the Sharon Tate murders but also to those of Adam Walsh and Nicole Simpson, to assasinating Lincoln and possibly to pulling off the Lindbergh baby kindnapping.

Oh yeah and that his real name is D.B. Cooper.

Be Well.

#4 | Posted by IraqiBukkake at 2009-06-06 09:19 PM

Wouldn't that be a sweet power to have? You have the ability to declare someone an enemy combatant, torture a confession out of them, get them to plead guilty and execute them.

The rule of law is dust in the wind.


First let me congratulate you on selecting such a picturesque monicker. The "Bukkake" indicates that you are familiar with sexual activities that some would consider deviate and demeaning to women, while others might consider it consensual, and exploring the limits. What meaning are you trying to convey with your compound word, Iraqi and Bukkake? It may be obvious to you, but it is not discernible offhand by me, and I'm sure some other avid readers of your posts are also baffled. What is your cryptic message?

Your comment on "the rule of law" being dust in the wind, is also baffling. It may depend on what your understanding of "the rule of law" is. You may be dissatisfied with a course of events, but to then to try to justify the rectitude of your discontent with events by introducing unrelated words and phrases to which you attach semantic value, confuses the matter and accomplishes nothing.

Existing law provides that enemy combatants out of uniform caught on the field of battle or in a position where they are participating in the engagement even on a peripheral basis, providing intelligence or what have you, can be summarily executed on the spot. That's what happened post WWII, and was quite effective in stilling opposition. I regret that we have become so wary and do not use lethal force when and where appropriate to eliminate such enemies instead investing them with "rights." But that is further evidence of our increasing decadence and degeneracy. These people have been living on borrowed time. They should be thankful that they were enabled to survive so long and under such halcyon conditions in the tropics with good food.


Guilty pleas. Why do we need a plea?

Good grief, we catch pirates in the act on the high seas and do what, release them, so they can go and continue in their career in piracy again. The world has gone mad.

First let me congratulate you on selecting such a picturesque monicker. The "Bukkake" indicates that you are familiar with sexual activities that some would consider deviate and demeaning to women, while others might consider it consensual, and exploring the limits. What meaning are you trying to convey with your compound word, Iraqi and Bukkake? It may be obvious to you, but it is not discernible offhand by me, and I'm sure some other avid readers of your posts are also baffled. What is your cryptic message?

I came up with it to describe the quagmire in Iraq in a beautiful alliterative package...which basically describes the orgy of destruction and money that Iraq is.

Your comment on "the rule of law" being dust in the wind, is also baffling. It may depend on what your understanding of "the rule of law" is. You may be dissatisfied with a course of events, but to then to try to justify the rectitude of your discontent with events by introducing unrelated words and phrases to which you attach semantic value, confuses the matter and accomplishes nothing.

Existing law provides that enemy combatants out of uniform caught on the field of battle or in a position where they are participating in the engagement even on a peripheral basis, providing intelligence or what have you, can be summarily executed on the spot. That's what happened post WWII, and was quite effective in stilling opposition. I regret that we have become so wary and do not use lethal force when and where appropriate to eliminate such enemies instead investing them with "rights." But that is further evidence of our increasing decadence and degeneracy. These people have been living on borrowed time. They should be thankful that they were enabled to survive so long and under such halcyon conditions in the tropics with good food.

Enemy combatants exist at the whim of the President. Anyone, including American citizens can be named enemy combantants by the President at any time. The test cases for these issues is always the most extreme example to make the sacrifice of rights as palatable as possible.

This has nothing to do with the field of battle or uniforms. When an individual is removed form the field of battle and detained by our government for a period of time, they deserve due process because American citizens can be given the same status by the President at a whim. These rights are supposed to be inalienable. Not even the almighty ruler of the manor is supposed to be able to take those away.

If these people are clearly guilty, which the powers that be seem to intimate, then this should be an open and shut case and there is no need for this enemy combatant nonsense. Hold the trials, put them on TV for free propaganda that the military loves so much, and execute them. It's that simple...unless the enemy combatants are just pawns in a much bigger game.

Johnson, go jump in a lake. I hope you can't swim.

On the other hand, The Bush doctrine has been to indefinetly(sic) lock people up so that they will do anything to get out. Kinda like torture only psychological. Kinda like reading Johnson's posts.

Existing law provides that enemy combatants out of uniform caught on the field of battle or in a position where they are participating in the engagement even on a peripheral basis, providing intelligence or what have you, can be summarily executed on the spot.

What does existing law say about the bulk of the detainees, those who were sold out by their neighbors, falsely fingered as Al Qaeda for the American reward money?

Enemy combatants exist at the whim of the President. Anyone, including American citizens can be named enemy combantants by the President at any time. The test cases for these issues is always the most extreme example to make the sacrifice of rights as palatable as possible.

This has nothing to do with the field of battle or uniforms. When an individual is removed form the field of battle and detained by our government for a period of time, they deserve due process because American citizens can be given the same status by the President at a whim. These rights are supposed to be inalienable. Not even the almighty ruler of the manor is supposed to be able to take those away.

If these people are clearly guilty, which the powers that be seem to intimate, then this should be an open and shut case and there is no need for this enemy combatant nonsense. Hold the trials, put them on TV for free propaganda that the military loves so much, and execute them. It's that simple...unless the enemy combatants are just pawns in a much bigger game.

#10 | Posted by iraqibukkake
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Ok, I'll bite, can you look at one of them and tell they are part of a milia? There's no uniform to judge. So they are considered illegal combatants just because they are not part of a country's military. It's that simple.

Obviously, you don't know shit about the military. The media is prohibited from interviewing soldiers unless they have a clearance from public affairs and the local commander. According to you, military personnel love to ham it up in front of the camera. I was in the military for 20 years. Nobody wanted to talk with the media unless they were ordered to. I doubt that has changed!

I'm pro death penalty, however, in these scumbags case, I'm against it. They want to go meet their maker to cash in on the virgins. They'd be a hero if we kill them. One thing that I'm pretty sure they're not ready for is to share a cell with big Bubba for the rest of their life. I'm totally against having the (Communist Party) ACLU get one of these guys off on a technicality. Soldiers are not police officers and they aren't bound by law to read them their miranda rights. This did not happen on US territory so the argument can't be made that they weren't read their rights.

Lonnie

Ok, I'll bite, can you look at one of them and tell they are part of a milia? There's no uniform to judge. So they are considered illegal combatants just because they are not part of a country's military. It's that simple.

Except that an American citizen has already been named an enemy combatant. Try again.

Obviously, you don't know shit about the military. The media is prohibited from interviewing soldiers unless they have a clearance from public affairs and the local commander. According to you, military personnel love to ham it up in front of the camera. I was in the military for 20 years. Nobody wanted to talk with the media unless they were ordered to. I doubt that has changed!

The US military has a long and storied history when it comes to propaganda. They love it. Type it in to google someday and learn something.

I'm pro death penalty, however, in these scumbags case, I'm against it. They want to go meet their maker to cash in on the virgins. They'd be a hero if we kill them. One thing that I'm pretty sure they're not ready for is to share a cell with big Bubba for the rest of their life. I'm totally against having the (Communist Party) ACLU get one of these guys off on a technicality. Soldiers are not police officers and they aren't bound by law to read them their miranda rights. This did not happen on US territory so the argument can't be made that they weren't read their rights.

Too bad you can't use fingerpaint on the internet...perhaps this would be easier for you to understand. Enemy combantant is not a term that is used exclusively for foreign fighters. Americans can be deemed enemy combantants. American's rights are inalienable. If Americans could not be declared enemy combantants, you might have a point.

Oh I see, these innocent Americans were tourists in a fuckin' combat zone innocently trying to get directions to the nearest Chinese restaurant when they happened to find some dead guy with a gun. They picked the gun up and that's when the US military swept in and arrested them. Oo so logical it sounds like bullshit if you ask me. I would categorize this as fantasy because it's definitely something hard to believe.

Lonnie

I think the more likely scenario is that these Americans were Islam converts who decided to go get trained to wage jihad and they got caught. In which case the American legal system DOES NOT have jurisdiction as US laws only pertain to stuff that happens within our borders. Since it clearly did not happen within our borders the only thing left is to try them in a military tribunal.

Lonnie

I think the more likely scenario is that these Americans were Islam converts who decided to go get trained to wage jihad and they got caught. In which case the American legal system DOES NOT have jurisdiction as US laws only pertain to stuff that happens within our borders. Since it clearly did not happen within our borders the only thing left is to try them in a military tribunal.

You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. Feel free to read up on Jose Padilla and perhaps we can have this conversation again?

Investigate the money trail to the Pakistan ISI.


We already know the money trail runs to saudistan, through Ambassador Bandar Bush's Wifey's purse.

Of course, like Condi, she said "no one could have predicted..." so she gets a charter flight home. Because Saddam had WMD and all...

Well ok, Jose Padilla had his day in court already and was convicted. What seems to be the problem? He pleaded guilty to the charges. He was caught with high dollar cash, emails to Al Quaeda operatives, and busted by Khalid Sheik Mohamed's testimony. I guess your major problem is he didn't get a trial right away. Again, his crime took place in another country where he was raising funds for Extremists Scumbags R US. He still got his day in court and he still pleaded guilty. This does not change the facts.

Lonnie

Demand the truth.

The truth is out there... keep chasing flying saucers there, Agent Mulder.

GOOD PLAN!!! Sure blame a number of prisoners that the US Military has systematically "abused,tortured and brainwashed" in Guantanamo for the past six years,for instigating 911 - then his will take the pressure off any investigation to find the "real perpetrators" of 911 including Israel,P Tech,Mitre Corp and the Bush Regime!!! FUCK DEMOCRACY and FUCK HUMAN RIGHTS and Protect the ZIONIST CorpoRat NAZIS!!!

Hey auntie, now you must add BHO to your hate list.

Do you sit home drinking, and get real worked up by midnight Geez those people in gitmo are just peace nics according to you?

Let them move in with you dip shit


Jose Padilla...pleaded guilty to the charges. #19 | Posted by lwalk17

Uh, no, Lonnie, he did not enter a "guilty" plea.

If you're going to include a statement like "This does not change the facts," you might want to get your facts down first.

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