RIP! Mother Nature can be a real Bitch!

Whenever I read of airline crashes I always think of what those last few minutes must have been like for the passengers and crew.

The article stated that once cabin pressure was lost all souls on board would have been unconscious within 1/2 a minute.

They plan to use submersibles to try and locate the black box and then possibly send down divers but I doubt it will ever be found. Sure seems odd that the entire plane can literally "fall apart at the seams" within 14 minutes but I'm not an aviation expert or pilot.

Any aviation guys on here with theories of their own as to what might have happened? Would an electrical storm have caused this total meltdown, a bomb, what's your opinion?

Not even Chuck Yeager flies in thunderstorms.

God must have been pissed off at somebody.

Wouldn't those breathing oxygen masks fall out and be used when the cabin pressure went out?

It's all speculation--a bomb, lightening strike...

Pretty incredible whatever it was--planes do not just break apart from electrical storms. They have hours and hours of testing to make sure this can't happen.

Which leads to the prospect of it being a bomb. Then there is that bomb threat called into the airline.

Someone must have let out a big ole fart and it was ignited by an electrical spark thereby exploding the plane along it's seams. Either that or some fat bastard got stuck on the toilet forcing the weight of the plane to shift to such a degree that the thing broke apart at it's seams. Much like if a fat bastard sat on one side of a blow up swimming pool causing the water to gush to the side of where the fat man sat causing the swimming pool to break apart at it's weakest points.

Larry

Murphy

I agree. I think it was a bomb too. The debris was spread over too wide a span of ocean which means something catastropic happened to the plane to blow it apart while it was still in the air. It didn't just break apart on impact with the water.

"I agree. I think it was a bomb too."

I'm not disagreeing with you, Chris, but have you ever seen anything hit by a bolt of lightning? A direct strike to a plane's fuselage would have blasted a hole that would have caused the aircraft to lose structural integrity almost instantly.

On the other hand, God knows a bomb isn't outside the realm of possibility either.

I doubt they flew through a T-Storm.

Oh god here they come. Out from under their rocks. Let the conspiracies begin. What's a disaster without them....

You know I wonder if the storm revirberated the aircraft in such a way as to cause it to split apart. You know if You shake something mechanical so violently it will fall apart. Wonder if that's what happened here.

Larry

Someone must have let out a big ole fart and it was ignited by an electrical spark thereby exploding the plane along it's seams. Either that or some fat bastard got stuck on the toilet forcing the weight of the plane to shift to such a degree that the thing broke apart at it's seams.

Much like if a fat bastard sat on one side of a blow up swimming pool causing the water to gush to the side of where the fat man sat causing the swimming pool to break apart at it's weakest points.

Larry

#6 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2009-06-04 11:09 PM | Reply |

I hope you all enjoyed this excerpt from Larry's autobiography

Hey Calchris because of the new SC nominee are you now going to change your tune about la raza

Accidents do happen. This world is imperfect. Equipments fail at times. Plenty surprises in life.

Luke 13:4-5.

Some die sooner, others die later. The question is: are you prepared for eternity? --- beyond your earthly retirement.

#12 | Posted by vernon at

You always have nothing to contribute don't you?

The question is: are you prepared for eternity?

Everyone is designed to decompose, so yes.

"Some die sooner, others die later."

Now, that/s what I've been talking to you about all this time: a pithy, vacuous truism that'll fit on a bumper sticker; or, in your case, a sandwich board. Well done!

#17.... yes, I have plenty sandwich boards and I will continue to display them for your enjoyment. LOL.

yes, I have plenty sandwich boards and I will continue to display them for your enjoyment. LOL.
#18 | Posted by takitez

Thanks!

An old aviation maxim:

There is no reason to fly through a thunderstorm in peacetime.

The thing that is most telling is that there was no distress call from the pilot. This occurred instantly-consistent with an explosion. We will never know the truth. The truth about TWA Flight 800 will never be officially known either. I know a mechanic who worked at TWA who told me it was common knowledge among TWA workers that 800 was hit by a missile.

The airline industry would be hurt immeasurably if it
was discovered that the Air France flight was destroyed by a bomb. Like TWA 800 the truth will remain elusive.

There is no reason to fly through a thunderstorm in peacetime.

I'd risk it about now.

I am supposed to leave the rig today, but troubles started. First, the relief crew got stranded at the hotel in New Orleans because someone forgot to arrange the shuttle (!?!). So they took cabs to the Houma heliport for a $300 fare.

Then the weather acted up. Winds too high. Helicopters grounded.

Winds died down, helicopter on its way with relief crew. But they just announced that it turned around because of a mechanical fault light. So that means I may be here another day.

Fuck

The latest on the wire is that it was a high altitude stall. Airbus has sent out bulletins of recommended speeds in a storm. Jets usually slow down in a storm and data prior to the crash indicated this jet slowed down.

#23 | Posted by goatman

This is just about the time when the weather closes in, lightning starts popping, the relief crew's helo pilot has to decide whether to try and make it to the rig or turn back so he...well, machts nichts, because what's gonna happen is gonna happen.

The generator fails on the rig as darkness falls. Clouds are thick. Lightning's dancing all around. Sea's up, way up. Radio's been smashed...

Wait a sec. Did you say, "smashed"? Yep. Radio's smashed. And, while inspecting the shattered link to the outside world you see -- no, you feel more than actually see, as the hairs on the back of your neck rise -- something...lurking...in...the
...shaddows...

#25 LOL

That does it. After this post, I'm going over the side for a 100 mile swim to the northwest.

"Wait a sec. Did you say, "smashed"? Yep. Radio's smashed. And, while inspecting the shattered link to the outside world you see -- no, you feel more than actually see, as the hairs on the back of your neck rise -- something...lurking...in...the
...shaddows..."

???What in hell, Doc...are you tryin' to replace DeadPud as the author of the "Great DR Novel," and Poet Laureate?

Jest - Must be the tofu breakfast sausage, green tea, and Red Bull. Although the hillbilly heroin I just snorted through a CSA $20 bill might be kicking in. Speaking of the moolah, man oh man, does Vice President Alexander Stephens look perky this morning or what?

FFs for Doc. Sounds like Lipzoidial territory.

I've grown up around an aviation family my entire life and have a little insight into this crash. My dad and I have sat down and talked about this crash at length, and whatever happened is something way out of the ordinary. For the record my dad is a 30 year plus widebody captain for a major US carrier. He has hundreds of flights over the North Atlantic and Pacific. First, it is very possible he flew into a severe thunderstorm. The reason being is that you do not speak directly with ATC over the ocean, you are speaking to a radio operator who then has to relay your message to ATC. You have to wait for an answer before you can change heading/altitude. By the time you get clearance it may be too late to avoid the storm. Next, based on the oil slick on the top of the water you can almost eliminate a direct impact to the ocean; it appears the plane had to break up at a pretty high altitude to spread that much fuel over that wide of an area. Third, lightening will not bring down a modern jetliner. Airplanes get struck quite frequently with lightening and it does little more can create a slight jolt and noise. They will absorb the strike and dissipate the charge. Unless the boxes are found we may never know the real cause of the crash.

Now they're saying the debris isn't from Air france.

Probaly crashed near some mysterious island....

Now they're saying the debris isn't from Air france.

???

As of the oceans are littered with airline seats? What are these guys smoking?

Goat-apparently the seat thing was bogus:

Confusion broke out after Brazilian officials said Thursday that a helicopter had plucked from the sea an airplane cargo pallet from the Air France flight - only to retract the claim hours later.

This occurred instantly-consistent with an explosion.
14 minutes isn't exactly instantly. even 4 minutes.

No phone calls from the passengers to loved ones?

Bob, would it have been possible?

Not even Chuck Yeager flies in thunderstorms.

#3 | POSTED BY MISTA KURTZ AT 2009-06-04 10:53 PM | REPLY | FLAG

Only Chuck Norris can.

have you ever seen anything hit by a bolt of lightning? A direct strike to a plane's fuselage would have blasted a hole that would have caused the aircraft to lose structural integrity almost instantly.

Planes get struck by lightning all the time. Typically it leaves a minuscule hole that they simply patch over with a fresh rivet. (Unless it's too close to an existing rivet, then they have to do... something else, I can't remember what right now.)

The things that you've seen struck by lightning were grounded. Planes in flight are not. The lightning passes through. It can cause some minor damage, and the electrical discharge could potentially screw up the avionics, but it's not like when the old oak tree went kablooey.

Based upon the precious little we know a bomb isn't unreasonable. It's certainly at least as plausible than the "oops it flew into a bad storm" explanation. NOAA aircraft fly into hurricanes many times every season...

H A L I B U R T O N !

Planes in flight are not. The lightning passes through.

read an article that says all the new carbon fiber stuff amkes good insulators. If the built in conductors are damaged it could cause problems.

My first thought was bomb, but the plane was inspected before taking off and the timing, without any maydays, isn't supportive.

Doesn't the fact that there was no mayday support
the bomb theory? It seems to me that the other
scenarios would have resulted in some type of radio
communication from the cockpit. What other explanation supports the lack of a radio transmission?

There's an article over on Slashdot speculating the plane could have been struck by a meteor... Taking into account total flight hours and the rate of meteoric activity with the requisite mass to impact on Earth (approximately 3,000 a day), some quick math suggests there may be one in twenty odds of a plane being brought down in the period from 1989 to 2009.

Of course, a bomb and a meteor would result in pretty much the same endgame.

Curious about the carbon fiber/insulator thing. Hadn't thought of that. You'd hope the engineers would have thought of it though...

What other explanation supports the lack of a radio transmission?

Given the 4 or 14 minutes, depending on when you start the clusterfuck clock, other than a dead radio, I'd say pilots thinking they've got a handle on the weather situation wouldn't radio in. I'd expect they would radio in if there was an explosion on board, even if they thought they had control.

"I agree. I think it was a bomb too."

- CalifChris"

I'm not disagreeing with you, Chris, but have you ever seen anything hit by a bolt of lightning? A direct strike to a plane's fuselage would have blasted a hole that would have caused the aircraft to lose structural integrity almost instantly.

On the other hand, God knows a bomb isn't outside the realm of possibility either.

#8 | Posted by MaryTylerWhore

You've got a good point about how a lightening bolt to the plane's fuselage destroyed plane's structural integrity and the plane was going through an intense electrical storm, if I read it correctly.

Then NORTHGUY3 made this comment --

My first thought was bomb, the plane was inspected before taking off the timing, without any maydays, isn't supportive.

#39 | Posted by northguy3 at 2009-06-05

Is is really possible to inspect every single passenger and be 100% sure you've checked for every possible explosive device which could be concealed in a carry on or suitcase down in the cargo hold? Remember Richard Reid the shoebomber who carried an explosive in the sole of his tennis shoe!

Although now shoes are removed for inspection, the minute one method for carrying explosives on to a plane have been discovered and dealt with, then another new scheme takes its place. Remember Lockerbee? Wasn't that plane taken down with a cassette carrying "plastique" (sp?) -- an explosive almost impossible to detect?

Will we ever know for sure? Probably not.

The fact it exploded over such a wide expanse of ocean almost insures it will be impossible to recover the black box -- all the more sure it had been a perfect place for a suicide bomber to set off his explosion. Bombers do not always look to take for credit for their handiwork -- such as naming some radical terrorist group they represented, if that was even the case.

I doubt we'll ever know what really happened.

CC: We may never know, indeed. Hell they don't even have any idea where it is. I'm sticking with a "lost" island or it having been sucked up into a UFO-maybe the raelians...

Kind of unlikely that it was a missile, A bomb maybe, but I think too far from land and above 30,000 feet, not a missile. I think the pilot was in a storm he could not evade and the storm tops were about 50,000 feet, was more likely a very strong wind shear or some other freak of nature. Was probably over very quickly, RIP

"Accidents do happen. This world is imperfect. Equipments fail at times. Plenty surprises in life.

Luke 13:4-5.

Some die sooner, others die later. The question is: are you prepared for eternity? --- beyond your earthly retirement.

#14 | Posted by takitez at 2009-06-05 07:04 AM | Reply | Flag: Weak-minded Born Again Fucking Loser

"What other explanation supports the lack of a radio transmission?"
#40 | Posted by tiger150 at 2009-06-05 03:00 PM | Reply

An electrical system failure could have knocked out the radio, preventing communications. My problem with the bomb theory is the four minutes of communication from the onboard computer, reporting a succession of systems problems. Bombs tend to be more instantaneous than that.
Sad thing here is, as has been stated many times before, we may never know. That's tragic, especially if this was caused by a curable flaw in the aircraft's design

"My problem with the bomb theory is the four minutes of communication from the onboard computer, reporting a succession of systems problems. Bombs tend to be more instantaneous than that."

Depends how big the bomb was and if it was able to take out critical structural or flight equipment in the initial explosion.

"An old aviation maxim:

There is no reason to fly through a thunderstorm in peacetime.
#21 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2009-06-05 08:20 AM"

Another item I remember my Dad (a flight instructor) saying:
"It's better to be down here and wishing you were up there, than up there and wishing you were down here."

Meanwhile, why haven't the 'Rapture Crowd' weighed in???

"Depends how big the bomb was and if it was able to take out critical structural or flight equipment in the initial explosion."
#48 | Posted by furio at 2009-06-06 09:01 AM | Reply

That's true, but it indicates a tremendous working knowledge of the aircraft's systems, to plant it just where it had to be to cause a cascade of systems failures. And what would be the point? Say the bomber figured he could only get a small bomb aboard the plane undetected. Someone with that much knowledge would surely pick a spot where hr was certain it would cause fatal structural damage, rather than depend on a systems fault.
I'm not saying the bomb scenario is impossible; I just prefer the simpler explanations.

#46.... furio...
If a terrorist did it, its here: Luke 13:1-3.
If by accident, then here: Luke 13:4-5.

Either way, a warning for all to get ready for life in the next world!

"That's true, but it indicates a tremendous working knowledge of the aircraft's systems, to plant it just where it had to be to cause a cascade of systems failures. And what would be the point? "

Not really. If it took out enough or breached the fuselage then the plane could easily start tearing itself apart. The pilot would need to drop speed and altitude very quickly to save it. Planes aren't made to withstand bombs no matter how small going off inside.

"Either way, a warning for all to get ready for life in the next world!

#51 | Posted by takitez"

So what addiction did you have before finding religion?

#53....

I quit smoking months after I came to Christ --- by fasting and prayer.

Can you by yourself physically lift a bulldozer to retrieve a golden coin lying underneath the wheel?

Here on earth you have the choice to be arrogant and go your way --- one second after you die you will be powerless to decide your own fate --- like the golden coin beneath the bulldozer. Powerless to move even one iota.

"I quit smoking months after I came to Christ --- by fasting and prayer."

figures another weak addict who gives up his self direction.

Smoking is no longer a temptation for me; I still enjoy hanging folks when they smoke though. The aroma.

hanging around folks....

No conspiracy, no bomb, a failure of the fly by wire computer system as has happened before in the Airbus. One of the siginificant ACARS codes sent was rudder limiter fault, that means the rudder could full throw exceeding Max Beta Q (dynamic side load pressure for the tail) causing the vertical stabilator to fail, this too has happened on the AB series aircraft. Once that happens the aircraft will tear itself appart. The most telling evidence is the intact tail assembly, it seperated from the aircraft prior to impact. To see the pictures and full explanation go to www.project7alpha.com
Any thing built can fail. No conspiracy required.