Well no shit Sherlock.

Old news. This came out before the 2000 election. The only reason I remember it is because of the statement "...the reason he wanted to do it is he had been led to understand that you could not really have a successful presidency unless you were seen as commander-in-chief, unless you were seen as waging a war."

No. These are lies! Iraq had WMD's and was going to attack us.

He had yellow cake.

Duncan Heinz. Extra Moist!

.. However, Baker says, when he approached The Washington Post and The Los Angeles Times with the potentially devastating story to President Bush prior to the 2004 presidential election, they declined to publish it.

In a new book, "Media In Crisis"(Doukathsan), Baker quotes Herskowitz as telling him: "He (Bush) said he wanted to do it(invade Iraq), and the reason he wanted to do it is he had been led to understand that you could not really have a successful presidency unless you were seen as commander-in-chief, unless you were seen as waging a war." ..

Imo, The Washington Post and The Los Angeles Times should be put out of "business" entirely and their staff investigated. Wouldn't it be a FUCKING HOOT if the chief editors were BUSH supporters?

hence the inside job of 911

Honest question: what would cause more damage to the country- if the government was behind a terrorist attack or finding out the goverment was behind a terrorist attack?

the truth however painful would be a good start in any potentiial long term relationship:>)

In the long term, yes, but my question deals more with the short term I think. Would this nation survive if we were to learn that the government was behind 9-11 for example or would the anger tear it to shreds before any healing could begin?

"People whose lives are barren and insecure seem to show a greater willingness to obey than people who are self-sufficient and self-confident. To the frustrated, freedom from responsibility is more attractive than freedom from restraint. They are eager to barter their independence for relief of the burdens of willing, deciding and being responsible for inevitable failure. They willingly abdicate the directing of their lives to those who want to plan, command and shoulder all responsibility." ~Eric Hoffer �The True Believer�

hence the inside job of 911

----

But what if Gore won?

my ex girlfriend who's now living with a billionaire said at the time..."Gore means war ~ right?"

My ex girlfriend Morgan Fairchild said at the time..."What in the world does that mean?"

Old SNL sketch. Tommy Flanagan (pronounced Fla NAY gan) - Jon Lovitz

would the anger tear it to shreds before any healing could begin?

The populace for the most part is so pacified these days that it would be a good bet that nothing will happen.

Hell, look at all the stories of corruption and waste and the elections keep sending essentially the same assholes back every time.

My opinion is that if the smoking gun were in fact found implicating the BUsh regime with 9/11 the collective yawn that would be emitted would be defeaning.

Yea, that's the ticket.

I call bullshit.

If this was true--which is highly unlikely--it would have been splashed over every friggin newspaper, blog and drink napkin in America.

BS.

Bush in 1999 - "I'm Going to Invade Iraq"

Bush in March 2002, "Fuck Saddam, we're taking him out"

"But in a remarkable though little noted disclosure, Time magazine reported that in March 2002 a full year before the invasion Bush outlined his real thinking to three U.S. senators, "Fuck Saddam," Bush said. "We're taking him out." ............... Bush offered his pithy judgment after sticking his head in the door of a White House meeting between National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice and three senators who had been discussing strategies for dealing with Iraq through the United Nations. The senators laughed uncomfortably at Bush's remark, Time reported. [Time story posted March 23, 2003]

"if the government was behind a terrorist attack or finding out the goverment was behind a terrorist attack?"

"
I call bullshit.

If this was true--which is highly unlikely--it would have been splashed over every friggin newspaper, blog and drink napkin in America."

Kanrei, there is your answer.
You can send them to school, buy them books, but you can't make them learn.

Imo, The Washington Post and The Los Angeles Times should be put out of "business" entirely and their staff investigated. Wouldn't it be a FUCKING HOOT if the chief editors were BUSH supporters?

No, they are just the anti-Bush uber librul MSM. Just ask any righty here.

Like Judith Miller aand the NYT, who whored herself out to te WH for bullshit "exclusives"

BWHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHHA OMFG ROLFMMFAO HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA I have been saying since day one that 9-11 was an inside job set up during the energy meetings in Houston Texas that the Taliban were in attendance at and guests of honour. bwhahahahahahaaha I find it hilarious that many of You thought I was crazy a baffooon but now the truth is starting to come out full force and now You are all facing what some of us Free thinkers knew way back when. Jackass/Rastaninja claims hurting someone is the ultimate in vicotry I say when the truth is told and the truth tellers are vindicated Now THAT is the ultimate in victory. For those who thought and still think I am crazy and talking out of My ass. How does it feel now assholes???? bwhahahahahahahahaah You got to love the sweet smell of vindication now don't You.

Larry Mohr

You got to love the sweet smell of vindication now don't You.

Vindication from a web site whose tagline is "Marxist thoughts online"?

Well, I guess you take 'em from whereever you can get them, even if it is from the bottom of the barrel, Larry. Good for you. It gave you a great chance to string a bunch of Hs and As together with bold letters, though

It's better than the shit You spew Goatman. That is for damned sure.

It's better than the shit You spew Goatman. That is for damned sure.

Of course being a marxist, you would think that, Larry. That's OK. I tolerate people from all over the political spectrum even if you don't. I understand the the democrat's claim of accepting everyone is one of the biggest lies ever told.

I was wondering when this story was going to get some traction.

I talked about it several years ago when Mickey Herskowitz went public with his notes and tapes of his interviews with George Bush when Bush was governor of Texas.

I always did think this was the smoking gun everybody was looking for as to whether or not 9-11 was an inside job.

I don't believe in coincidence.

Looks like we found most of the nut bags. Larry, you are at the top of the loony list. Do you really not believe that if this were true it wouldn't be on a credible news source, instead of this left wing propaganda crap?

Never mind, I forgot who I was talking to.

That is the trouble nobody wants to admit to themselves that their Government would conspire to kill their own to further their cause because it turns everything that we have thought a Government should be on it's very head. NOBODY wants to confront that possibility. The likelyhood that the Natio would recover from such knowledge is slim to none. It's best to say foreign bad guys did it as to assuade one of the self guilt that would follow if they were to admit their Government did the Unthinkable to their very own would tear us to smitherings.

Larry

Of course being a marxist, you would think that

You're a Marxist Larry? Say it ain't so (sob)

No Gimme A Scotch jst an ordinary Kansan that happens to be a Liberal is all.

Larry

Whew that was close

Wait a minute how liberal?

~Eric Hoffer �The True Believer�

#9 | Posted by Bani at 2009-06-04 03:33 PM | Reply

That might be mildly interesting had it been your own thoughts.

But you willingly abdicate independent thought for the comfort and security of letting others think for you.

I believe in a Woman's right to choose
I believe in separation of Church and State.
I believe in live and let live way of life, I won't bag on Your backyard if You extend to Me that same courtsey.
I don't care how You believe as long as You don't try and shove it down My throat.

Tat sort of Liberal GAS

I believe in live and let live way of life, I won't bag on Your backyard if You extend to Me that same courtsey.
I don't care how You believe as long as You don't try and shove it down My throat.

#31 | Posted by LarryMohr

Larry you just described yourself as a Libertarian not a liberal. Give yourself 40 lashes and meet me in Reno I'll help you complete your conversion.

let me see if I understand this. The terrorist's who occupied the planes entered the country during the Clinton administration. But Bush arranged it. And Bush had the democratic sample ballot in Miami changed so it was incorrect which resulted in Buchanan getting many of the votes intended for Gore...and Bush had the MSM declare FL for Gore before the polls in the Republican pan handle closed....and Bush arranged for Gore to lose in TN....and Bush orchestrated the murder of the Afgan resistence leader Mussoud...

And you libs questioned Bush's IQ and competance? What a hoot.

And you libs questioned Bush's IQ and competance? What a hoot.

#33 | Posted by midtowncowboy

Careful there it's not nice to pick on the Special Ed students

You forget that Candidate Bush's Brother was then Governor of Florida and Ms Harris was the Secretary of State for the State of Florida which were both Republicans. Not to mention Jeb Bush's ties to PNAC the ones who needed that Pearl Harbor event to jump start the resource wars in the Middle East. Why do they conveniently forget those tittlating facts.

Larry

I find it hilarious that many of You thought I was crazy a baffooon

We still do Larry.

Bush's comments do not add fuel to the 9/11, "inside job", fire. If it was an inside job why didn't they plant evidence implicating Iraq?

Why plants evidence when the American populace was out for blood ANY Muslim blood would do Stirinthepot. Say Iraq was involved and the sheep would follow the leader over the cliff.

Larry

Seeing you like conspiracies so much Larry what's your nonpartisan take of allegations of massive voter fraud by the 0bama camp and it's allies (re: ACORN) in the 2008 election?

bwhahahaha ACORN hasn't this been investigated already GaS?? I swear.

Larry

Oh and SITP isn't that why they tortured the detainees so someone would say that Al Qaeda and Saddam had an operational link?? Just thought I'd throw that atcha. Give Ya something to chew on.

Larry

That might be mildly interesting had it been your own thoughts.

But you willingly abdicate independent thought for the comfort and security of letting others think for you.

#30 | Posted yonon

nice try vernon...spaming any threads lately?

What's with all the GAS tonight Larry? Don't they have Bean-O in Kansas?

Bush's comments do not add fuel to the 9/11, "inside job", fire. If it was an inside job why didn't they plant evidence implicating Iraq?

It would've given Bush the incentive to expand the war in the ME.The CIA would most certainly have provided all the back round and future plans for terrorist activities.They would of certainly found proof in destroyed Iraqi documents linking Syria and Iran,not to mention WMD's.He may have even lobbed a few poison gas rockets into Israel to really get things stirred up drawing them into the fight instead of relentlessly petitioning them not to.
The US press would have screamed bloody murder and the nightly news would have had a broad red flashing band at the bottom of the screen.
Activists,dissidents,poets and naysayers would have disappeared.
The borders would have been locked down, and the riots,the riots we would have seen in front of the White House, screaming not for an end to the war but screaming, MORE! MORE! MORE! More, because we weren't making enough bombs and weapons fast enough to satisfy the blood lust bellowing up from our collective conscience.MORE! MORE! MORE! We aren't going to take it anymore, 3000 dead and we aren't going to take it anymore.Remember the Cole!
At night the Christian right would have come out holding candle light vigils signing praise to God and death to islam.We would have been united!We would have been one!.....ADRIAN!
But nope,Bush fucked up.He was heard to say after... "dang I wished I would of thought of an after plan after I crashed those buildings,what time is it,I'm hungry,lets go eat"

It still wasn't answered.

What if Gore won?

I'm sure Cheney would have helped out on the 911 details:>)

I think you did. You seem to have all the insider knowledge.

Bani why do You think Cheney tortured the detainees. He wanted them to give Him a false confession linking Saddam to Al Qaeda. Yav's posting of this is somewhere in the archives.

Larry

I think you did. You seem to have all the insider knowledge.

#46 | Posted by Pirate

My brother was unable to meet with me right away when I flew in 4 days later because he was by then interacting with one of the conspirators ~ the mayor:>)

" If it was an inside job why didn't they plant evidence implicating Iraq?"

Good one. Unfortunately a little late ~ don't you think?:>)

Bush's comments do not add fuel to the 9/11, "inside job", fire. If it was an inside job why didn't they plant evidence implicating Iraq?

#36 | Posted by Beachbuzz

ff

It still wasn't answered.

What if Gore won?

#44 | Posted by Pirate

Stop trying to scarce me

If it was an inside job why didn't they plant evidence implicating Iraq? - Beachbuzz

They probably didn't think they had to . . . relying instead on a massive propaganda campaign which they carried off quite nicely.

The last thing Bush/Cheney wanted was their fingerprints on the 9-11 disaster.

"Do you really not believe that if this were true it wouldn't be on a credible news source, instead of this left wing propaganda crap?"

Like I have said before, no matter what facts you present the right wing lunatics will believe what they choose to believe.

Like I have said before, no matter what facts you present the right wing lunatics will believe what they choose to believe.

Then address his concern instead of the usual "righ wing lunatics" response? I, too, wonder especially knowing how the media loved to Bush-bash

I understand the the democrat's claim of accepting everyone is one of the biggest lies ever told.
#23 | Posted by goatman

Try being to the left of Democrat consensus and you'll see we get worse treatment than anybody on the right ever does.

Considering Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 and invading Iraq actually undermined our efforts against the 9/11 attackers, why would anyone be surprised that Bush's desire to invade Iraq was not related to 9/11?

And the claim that this "proves" or even provides any indication whatsoever that 9/11 was an inside job just shows how desperate the conspiracy crowd is. Rather than provide real evidence, they grasp at anything......

If it was an inside job why didn't they plant evidence implicating Iraq? - Beachbuzz

They probably didn't think they had to . . . relying instead on a massive propaganda campaign which they carried off quite nicely.
The last thing Bush/Cheney wanted was their fingerprints on the 9-11 disaster.
#52 | Posted by Twinpac at 2009-06-05 04:29 AM

Sure, I guess. Disinformation, thy name is PNAC.

But, if you can picture the Saudi ties to Bush, and Cheney bringing Haliburton, oil consistently appears as the main and "best" reason to believe they conspired the events of 9/11. They couldn't go into Afghanistan and then invade Iraq - Saddam would have a neutral and ME coalition arguing against our presence with possible success. And considering the eventual nationalization of oil in Iraq - like what Hugo Chavez is "criticized" for - it's convenient when you have both oil magnates and the global super power at your disposal to facilitate an invasion of the next oil-rich nation, demonize others, quietly install a pipeline from Afghanistan into Israel, and now the posturing along Pakistan border.. etc, etc.

Iran has reason to fear - the American people are led and bred just as well as any other.

Plus, didn't their "administration" admit it was for the oil?

Just a "thought".

Why do we require an excuse to invade another country? if it's in our national interest, we may contrive some cover story, but most of the time, it's not necessary. No justification is needed.

The only problem with our invasion of Iraq is that we did not receive the gains due us. We should be in a position now where we have total control of Iraqi oil resources and their economy.

And our failure to use sufficient forces and and iron hand to eliminate opposition presents an object lesson in the folly of restraint. We should have confined people to zones, issued holographic identity cards for access to food and the like, and when faced with opposition destroyed the centers of resistance and the leaders so that Sadr City would have been razed and al-Sadr executed, and Fallujah and other centers of resistance also razed. Any attacks on our forces should have resulted in reprisals against those in control of the region.

We should be basking in the role of conquerors now with permanent bases and a sphere of influence in the region. And remember that that astute leader Saddam Hussein managed to exert firm control of the country with only 20% of the population being Sunni. We could have emulated his successful methods, governed by objectives, and if indicated, have used Iraqi forces to combat Iranians. But no, we prefer to act against our own interests undercut by leftist ideologues in the U.S., whose arrogance resulted in the U.S. not exploiting the situation for its benefit.

Hey Robot, what's the problem with recognizing we benefit from controlling a resource, oil, and getting it? The problem is not our goal, but our half-hearted and ineffective strategy and tactics in accomplishing our ends.

Hey Robot, what's the problem with recognizing we benefit from controlling a resource, oil, and getting it?

The problem is not in the goal of assuring a secure access to oil in the region it's the indenfensible steps taken to date in order to secure that advantage.

Military bases everywhere, propping up dictatorships like Saddam and the House of Saud, supplying arms and cluster bombs and diplomatic over to Isreal for thirty years, supplying Afghanistan with weapons and training to the Taliban precursers and groups like Bin Ladens while the Soviets were there and then abandoning the place, using a CIA coup to prop up the torture happy and much loathed Shah which led to the Iranian revolution all the way up to the recent invasion/occupations of Iraq and Afghanistan.

Might does not make Right.

Learn that.

Be Well.