Drudge Retort: Red Meat for Yellow Dogs
Thursday, June 04, 2009

Internet radio host Hal Turner -- accused of inciting Catholics to "take up arms" and singling out two Connecticut lawmakers and a state ethics official on a website -- was taken into custody in New Jersey late Wednesday after state Capitol police in Connecticut obtained a warrant for his arrest.

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"Obey the Constitution or die"

Funny, I don't remember that being on the document.

Hal is a coward. He has to get others to do what he is afraid of.

Typical...

This will be the Thread where the Tired old "conservatives" will Goose-Step in to Lecture us All on how the liberal media" is "Emboldening" the terrorists while simultaneously stating that their preferred Rhetoric is Harmless and has No Affect on the dumb listener!

As if these two statements aren't mutually exclusive!

Funny, I don't remember that being on the document.

Bill of Rights. 2nd Amendment. A bit of a stretch, sure.

Yes, yes, he is a terrorist. I mean the gall to actually believe that Americans should stand up and defend the freedoms this country was founded on. Lock him up, let him rot, that will show those bastards that standing up against the government to preserve the rights granted to us in the constitution will not be tolerated.


P.S. i do not condone meaningless violence, i do believe in free speech and thought.

poor Johnson just lost his favourite show

meaningless violence

Is Mr. Turner condoning meaningless violence? It sounds to me like Mr. Turner used "fighting words" which are not protected by the First Amendment - see, Chaplinsky v. New Hampshire, 315 U.S. 568 (1942) and Street v. New York, 394 U.S. 576 (1969).

poor Johnson just lost his favourite show

#6 | Posted by gl0bal74

They canceled Amos-n-Andy?

This guy is over the loon and cannot say the stuff he was spouting. He can protest and comment without the 'violence'.

-----------


Although the reason for his ire and craziness is what the state of CT wants to do to the Catholic church.

From the article--

"The remarks on the blog were a reaction to the recent controversy over a bill that would have changed the way the Roman Catholic Church is governed, taking power away from church officials and turning it over to lay members. It was pulled in mid-March following an outcry from Catholics across the state and questions about its constitutionality.


The controversy flared again when the Diocese of Bridgeport filed a federal lawsuit against state ethics officials, who are investigating whether church officials violated lobbying laws by organizing a rally at the state Capitol to protest the measure earlier this spring and not registering as lobbyists."


----

So the STATE of CT wants to get into the business of how a church runs itself. Can you imagine the GOV'T getting into how a church runs itself???

And when they went to protest at the capitol--the STATE is investigating if they can protest the STATE BILL to change the church's own business--by requiring them to register as lobbyists.

So are all protesters at the capitol in CT required to register as lobbyists?


wtf is going on in CT????

"Is Mr. Turner condoning meaningless violence?"


I probably should have used warranted over meaningless. The point is that there are situations that require violence, our founding fathers knew this. I think it is pointless to pretend that our rights are not being taken away and some may feel that the breaking point is near. I do not think that speaking out against the US is necessarily wrong and i understand the view that resistance may be required to keep the rights our country was founded on. As for the fighting words, it is a very touch subject. Many who are unequivocally called patriots would have been guilty of this as well. This is not to say this guy is a hero or patriot, this is the first i have heard of him. I think it is clear that the temperature of the peoples discontent with the government is escalating. Trying to curb dissent by denying the right to speak out is counterproductive at best.
It has always been understood that as Americans we will fight to retain the beliefs that we were founded on. The problem is that we have allowed so much to be taken away from us and just watched it happen. There is a flash point for most Americans, to me making a statement as to such should be protected speech.

They canceled Amos-n-Andy?
#8 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue

Just the television version, the one with that gaggle of mud racoids. But now that you mention it, son, I must say that whenever I run my tobacco-stained, ruby red index fingernail across the oaken shelves of my voluninous library --- positively Alexandrian in tone and proportion (most of the works in Babylonian cuneiform and Egyptian hieroglyphics; not for the hoipolloi, I can tell you that) --- I must needs pause, but a moment, upon espying the bold Gothic lettering "E" set in gold leaf above an oft-visited shelf, for there reposes my comparatively small albeit seminal (makes me tingly, "seminal") collection of volumes dedicated to the science of eugenics (a parting gift foisted upon me in lieu of paymnent for room and board by a rapidly departing Josef Mengele), by which I do not mean to confine my interests to the breeding of goats or fornicating practices of wallabies; for as my painted fingernail fondly sketches out the big letter "E" I cannot help but think to myself, "Johnson, consider: Freedman Gosden and Charles Correll -- there be giants."
Repectfully submitted,
~Raymond J. "Ya Doesn't Hafta Call Me 'Johnson'" Johnson

Doc, I do believe in the past couple of days you have out-johnsoned Johnson.

#11 - You troll. Johnson hasn't even posted here.

"You troll."

Has anyone ever told you, you sound excactly like Pepe Le Pew. En garde!

I'm a big fan of the First Amendment. But, I gotta say, his comments (as read in the article) are clearly an incitement to violence.

Problem with this kind of speech is that in inhibits those who are "marked" from their own speech. He marked them for death. Even with free speech, there is a line. He crossed it.

Trying to curb dissent by denying the right to speak out is counterproductive at best.

That isn't what is going on here.

The point is that there are situations that require violence, our founding fathers knew this.

Big difference between revolutionary acts against tyrany and promoting acts of violence for religious/moral reasons.

Let me re-try that post:


Trying to curb dissent by denying the right to speak out is counterproductive at best.


That isn't what is going on here.


The point is that there are situations that require violence, our founding fathers knew this.


Big difference between revolutionary acts against tyrany and promoting acts of violence for religious/moral reasons.

Ironically, this story has spread his words farther than his little blog and radio show alone would have. I never heard of him before...had any of you?

I think the founding father also knew that if you're in a situation that requires violent revolution - you better god damned well be ready to die yourself, and you better be prepared for the consequences if you lose.

Good. Let's hope this is a trend to get dangerous inciters off the air.

Ironically, this story has spread his words farther than his little blog and radio show alone would have. I never heard of him before...had any of you?

Exactly what this guy was hoping for.

We call Osama Bin Laden a terrorist (rightfully so) and we know that he himself doesn't do the dirty work. The same applies to people like Turner. He is, by the very definition, a terrorist and should be tried for it.

Also, the woman who gave the 'Tiller Killer' all the info on where to find Doctor Tiller is also a terrorist who uses others.....but not in every case.......back in 1989, she served two years for conspiring to bomb an abortion clinic.

"you better god damned well be ready to die yourself, and you better be prepared for the consequences if you lose."

Or, at least understand you may end up in jail as did Turner.

I have never heard of this jamoke either.
The only Hals I've ever heard of were Hal Sparks and that queef from Barney Miller.

"You troll."

Has anyone ever told you, you sound excactly like Pepe Le Pew. En garde!

#14 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2009-06-04 02:50 PM | Reply | Flag:


No - nobody never told me that. Also, I have never engaged in the sort of creepy ghostwriting you are doing here. There are plenty of real issues to write about and Doc you are obviously an intelligent guy, so why make yourslef into a tiny little troll?

#24 - I had never heard of this guy Turner either until this story.

no Murph, it's illegal lobbying that is in question and under possible further and/or modified regulation; the church has filed suit; so we wait and see.

MEANWHILE:
"It is our intent to foment direct action against these individuals personally. These beastly government officials should be made an example of as a warning to others in government: Obey the Constitution or die."

And, the post continued, "If any state attorney, police department or court thinks they're going to get uppity with us about this, I suspect we have enough bullets to put them down, too."

that ain't free speech.

if you want a revolution fine, don't televise it.

#25 | Posted by MrFair at 2009-06-04 03:01 PM | Reply | Flag: Should check E-bay for a deal on a sense of humor

and he claims he was about to release the addresses to of those to kill:
On Tuesday, the blog included a post that promised to release the home addresses of state Rep. xxxxxx, state Sen. xxxxxx and xxxxx of the State yyyy Office.

#28 - Sanan, now this IS funny, coming from a guy like you who rarely makes a funny.

#27 - You have the full support of Gil-Scott Heron.

#28 - Sanan, now this IS funny, coming from a guy like you who rarely makes a funny.

#30 | Posted by MrFair

Oh, I beg to differ. I've had my share of posts on the FF list. Unlike a certain SOMEone who is in dire need of a Stickectomy.


#11 - You troll. Johnson hasn't even posted here.

#13 | Posted by MrFair

.....in case you have not heard....Johnson is undergoing surgery to have Dick Cheney's head removed from his rectum........

your off the Constitutional farm Salamander. these were death threats against specific and named people.

it does not matter under what context.

at the Boston Tea party something happened that should not have: torture by a mob.

The first recorded incident in America was in 1766: Captain William Smith was tarred, feathered, and dumped into the harbor of Norfolk, Virginia, by a mob that included the town's Mayor. He was picked up by a vessel just as his strength was giving out. He survived, and was later quoted as saying that "...[they] dawbed my body and face all over with tar and afterwards threw feathers on me." As with most other tar-and-feathers victims in the following decade, Smith was suspected of informing on smugglers to the British Customs service.

The punishment appeared in Salem, Massachusetts, in 1767, when mobs avenged themselves on low-level employees of the Customs service with tar and feathers. In October 1769, a mob in Boston attacked a Customs service sailor the same way, and a few similar attacks followed through 1774 (the tarring and feathering of customs worker John Malcolm received particular attention in 1774). Such acts associated the punishment with the Patriot side of the American Revolution. In March 1775, a British regiment inflicted the same treatment on a Massachusetts man they suspected of trying to buy their muskets.[citation needed] There is no case of a person dying from being tarred and feathered in this period.

During the Whiskey Rebellion, the punishment was inflicted on Federal tax agents by local farmers.

In the early years of the Latter Day Saint movement during the early-to-mid 1800s, many of its adherents, including founder Joseph Smith, were tarred and feathered as a way to pressure the early LDS into leaving town or renouncing their beliefs.

San is hot and cold on the humor front. Sometimes I swear he's one of the funnier lefties and then he goes long periods of time without posting anything funny and then gets ruffled by something that ordinarily would not have made his radar.

He may be a schizo...

He may be a schizo...

#35 | Posted by 101Chairborne

We are not you asshole!


See? Now that was funny.

This thread has proved as predictable as the WingDings beliving that a fat, drug idled, underage hooker buying Pedophile cares "Deeply About Abortion" and the "Right to Life"!

Americans should stand up and defend the freedoms this country was founded on

Sal, you have a link to the amendment baiing abortion? Maybe you should forward it to SCOTUS. They've obviously been mistaken for the last 35 years...

I don't remember the right to be a domestic terrorist enabler anywhere in there.

actually, the BTP took place 4 weeks earlier than that particular incident.
historymatters.gmu.edu

So the STATE of CT wants to get into the business of how a church runs itself. Can you imagine the GOV'T getting into how a church runs itself???

Change "church" to "mosque" and tell me how you feel, Muffy.
Lululululu?

"Turner, who has been identified as a white supremacist and anti-Semite by several anti-racism groups,"

Sounds like Newt may have found his running mate for 2012...

"We'll either hang together or we'll hang separately." BF

There are plenty of real issues to write about
#25 | Posted by MrFair

Yes, there are. And sometimes there's stuff to just make fun of. Maybe you're just having a bad hair day. I don't know. But, rest assured, next time I need a crash course of what is and what is not permitted on the DR, I'll be sure to give you a call.

Or, better yet, you can tell me. You know, you don't have to act with me. You don't have to say anything, and you don't have to do anything. Oh, maybe just a whstle. You know how to whistle, don't you? You just put your lips together and blow.

(Thank you, Ms. Bacall.)

I reluctantly have to agree with Murphy on the question about why the State of Connecticut is involving itself in church governance. Just as I want Church out of my government, I don't feel that government should be involved in Church.

Other than all Church should not be non-taxed entities.

Ichiro--

From the article--

"who are investigating whether church officials violated lobbying laws by organizing a rally at the state Capitol to protest the measure earlier this spring and not registering as lobbyists."


They were rallying at the capitol--how is that lobbying--they didn't even bring lunch!

Change "church" to "mosque" and tell me how you feel, Muffy.
Lululululu?

#41 | Posted by northguy3


Is the gov't writing laws that would take away the governance of the mosque from the clerics and giving it to Saed and the other attendees to run?


No singing allowed--you sound awful.

Big difference between revolutionary acts against tyrany and promoting acts of violence for religious/moral reasons.


#17 | Posted by taxman

So, are you saying protecting the Constitution is like a religion?

This was happening during Clinton--remember G. Gorden Liddy and "Shot for center of Mass" statement when referring to when the "Jack-booted" ATF breaks your door down...

It's just talk-show hosts over-reacting. It's a symptom of a much bigger problem.

"Sal, you have a link to the amendment baiing abortion? Maybe you should forward it to SCOTUS. They've obviously been mistaken for the last 35 years..."



Got anything relevant to say?
Or is it just more fun to spout off about completely unrelated topics that only make sense to you?


From what i have now seen he has said some pretty terrible things. He may be a terrible person. That is no excuse to deny the right to speak.

Sal,

We've just very recently seen what happens when these flamers start giving out information about how to locate, track and kill someone for not holding the same beliefs as you do. There ARE lines that should never be crossed unless you're willing to suffer the consequences, this guy took 5 giant steps across the line IMO.

Ultimately I imagine that a much higher court than this district in CT will decide.

"The only Hals I've ever heard of were Hal Sparks and that queef from Barney Miller.

#24 | Posted by 101Chairborne"

What about Halimony?

Roses are Red
Violets are Blue
I'm a Schizophrenic
And so am I

Hal 9000?

Hal Itosis?

Hal Iburton?

Hal Sparks is Zoltan!

"Ultimately I imagine that a much higher court than this district in CT will decide."

I think you are right. The funny thing is that this publicity will cause theses comment to reach far more people then they would have. The thing that bothers me most is that people are saying that his comments incite violence, as if there is no responsibility on behalf of the person that cold commit the crimes. It is the same mentality that pointed the finger of blame toward Ozzy or Manson when a listener committed suicide or killed somebody.

Hals Famous Chicken & Ribs, in Wanaque, NJ. -The Coloreds

Has anyone been able to find these comments in their entirety?

Having listened to a bit (just a bit) of Manson, I totally understand suicide after the song ends.

So, are you saying protecting the Constitution is like a religion?

Are your reading comprehension skills that poor?

The thing that bothers me most is that people are saying that his comments incite violence, as if there is no responsibility on behalf of the person that cold commit the crimes.

I never said that, I think the actor would be responsible for an act of violence and should be punished as such. However, I also believe the person inciting the violence has some culpability as well, which is why "fighting words" are not protected by the First Amendment.

"""It is the same mentality that pointed the finger of blame toward Ozzy or Manson when a listener committed suicide or killed somebody."""


Art vs. news or opinion. Not the same. Plus Ozzy's suicide solution didn't go as far as saying Sal, you should slit your wrists. Mr Turner is talking about specific targets and threatening violence.

If I push your logic to the limit, OBL is not guilty of anything.

"I never said that,"


I never said you did.
I believe that the person is completely responsible for their own actions. "fighting words" is a cop out used to send out political messages. How many times do you hear a radio host say something like "someone should castrate that guy," it is all relative. Justice is supposed to be blind but it is evident that he struck a hornets nest and the gov responded with force that would not have been used had it been pointed elsewhere.

"If I push your logic to the limit, OBL is not guilty of anything."

????
by his videos?
No.
By his other actions?
yes

"Art vs. news or opinion. Not the same."


Why not?
This guy expressed his feelings, are you saying that if he said it in iambic pentameter that it would be different?

As a further point. I would think that if this guy goes down for this it will have dire consequences for the freedoms we take for granted. For instance how many on this site have talked about hurting people? How many times have we seen signs at protest that say things like "torture bush"? A decision here would be far reaching.

fighting words" is a cop out

Not according to the United States Supreme Court which was granted authority under Article III of the constitution to rule in such cases. This guy could have said anything he wanted short of what he said and he would have been fin - hell, he could have wished a horrible disease on these people and gotten away with it. However, he used language which is probably not protected by the First Amendment and which is obviously illegal in CT.

RE #47 Muffy-if you were referring to the people versus Bureaucrats law that thankfully got dumped, I agee with you. It seems the papal papershufflers are running the church and the sheeple don't like it. But they can always walk away...

I do not think that speaking out against the US is necessarily wrong and i understand the view that resistance may be required to keep the rights our country was founded on

Sal, so opposing the Iraq war allows you to shoot soldiers?

Muhammad al Little Rock will be glad to hear it.

"Sal, so opposing the Iraq war allows you to shoot soldiers?"


Huh?
Try this for me, before you type something say it out loud. That might help with your complete lack of an ability to make sense when you type it.


And before you get all uppity, it is not that i am unable to make the connection it is that the connection is at best an exercise in fuzzy logic.

Taxman,
The point this guy was making is that the government is failing to follow it's own laws. The court ruled that way but i don't think it is right. I am a firm believer in "what they do not what they say." By punishing speech you are punishing thought. As despicable as some things may be i think you have every right to say them. At that point an individual who thinks he has been hurt by obscenity or harassment has every right to press charges. It is, or should, not be up to the government to decide what is ok to say. When a law is written that allows the government to pick and choose what specific words are protected the the idea of the first amendment is destroyed. I think the word were inappropriate, i do not think that he should be charged for that. Now, if you can p[rove that he is an active part of a plan to carry it out then that is something that he should be charged for. To convict someone one thought or speech is a very dangerous game to play. Writers have toyed with this concept for a long time, the idea that someone can be found guilty of a hypothetical crime worries me as well. But in the end, it should not be up to the government to decide what is politically acceptable.

Typical lib reaction "I don not like what you say, you are arrested".

Nazi Germany????

Soviet Russia????

ETC


RE #47 Muffy-if you were referring to the people versus Bureaucrats law that thankfully got dumped, I agee with you. It seems the papal papershufflers are running the church and the sheeple don't like it. But they can always walk away...

#67 | Posted by northguy3


Exactly--the State of CT is trying to pass a law to interfere with the business of the Catholic Church in the State.

If they were suspected of terrorism--then the FBI could infiltrate and check it out--survelliance--video--
tapes, etc.

But the State is doing--or attempting to do something so unconstitutional--it's breathtaking.

Now, if you can p[rove that he is an active part of a plan to carry it out then that is something that he should be charged for. To convict someone one thought or speech is a very dangerous game to play. Writers have toyed with this concept for a long time, the idea that someone can be found guilty of a hypothetical crime worries me as well. But in the end, it should not be up to the government to decide what is politically acceptable.

#71 | Posted by salamandagator


Sounds like the Minority report....


And we have dozens of hate crime laws--.

This guy may have crossed the line with "fighting words" and should curb it.

But there was no active violence that ensued.

And with all this attention and him arrested--he appears like a free speech political prisoner.

@ murphy

If a radio announcer implied that you should be killed, how would you react?

...or your kids...

If a radio announcer implied that you should be killed, how would you react?

Buy a gun.

And with all this attention and him arrested--he appears like a free speech political prisoner.

#74 | Posted by MURPHY at 2009-06-04 07:37 PM | Reply | Flag:

Psssssst.......they didn't just make up some phony law to arrest him. HE BROKE THE LAW!

If you don't like Turner's comments, and I sure don't, please review the ones made here a few days ago about the woman who attempted to assasinated Gerald Ford. Some of you just don't get it. There is no difference between Tiller and his murderer. There is also no difference between left wing hate speech and right wing hate speech. But some people here "take sides" as if one is okay and the other terroristic threat.
Let's clean our own mouths out first.

Let's clean our own mouths out first.

Posted by Diablo at 2009-06-05 12:57 AM | Reply

I'm sorry but My Grandmama and My Momma both tried that when I was young. Momma method was a Bar of Lava Handsoap. My Grandmama's was a bar of Lye soap(That shit burns going down) I still have a potty mouth so no luck here.

Larry

Typical lib reaction "I don not like what you say, you are arrested".

Nazi Germany????

Soviet Russia????

ETC

~Chickenshiat

Do you even know why it's illegal to yell "FIRE" in a crowded movie house?

Free Speech is not infinite.

Inciting violence is a form of violence that does not fall under the category of free speech.

And Spud sez that being a HUGE Free Speech advocate.

Be Well.

/Also never heard of this wingnut before today.
//Is it illegal to yell MOVIE in a crowded firehouse?

from above...

"I probably should have used warranted over meaningless. The point is that there are situations that require violence, our founding fathers knew this. I think it is pointless to pretend that our rights are not being taken away..."

yada, yada, yada, the usual fear mongering crap, incitation of holy war and uprising, teabagging,
teabagging, teabagging...(etc, etc...)

GODS I really wish some of the wacked out Right
would earn an Early Rapture from the Almighty...

Yeah, I'm thinking that would be a Good thing...

Hey did you hear about the crazy Right winger on CNN that has like half a dozen guns 80k and has threatened to kill Obama?

I hope some sniper explodes his head all over the yard...

"I'm sorry but My Grandmama and My Momma both tried that when I was young. Momma method was a Bar of Lava Handsoap. My Grandmama's was a bar of Lye soap(That shit burns going down) I still have a potty mouth so no luck here."

I will try to find a soap that will clean out only threatening and nasty talk that defends violence, Larry. I would never destroy an artful potty mouth.
Maybe Dove?

This guy expressed his feelings, are you saying that if he said it in iambic pentameter that it would be different?

#64 | Posted by salamandagator

In a way yes, but the salient point in this case is that he singled out specific targets.

This is interesting from the tail paragraph of Wikipedia on Turner. Somehow I hope it is true just so the case becomes a circus:

"Allegations that Turner acts as an informant to the FBI surfaced after unidentified hackers claimed on Turner's website's forums that they had read email correspondence between him and an FBI agent, apparently his handler.[34] This led to a discussion on a neo-Nazi website on January 10, 2008, in which Turner revealed he was quitting political work, was ending his radio show and that he was separating "from the 'pro-White' movement".[34] Both the FBI and Turner declined to comment on the matter.[34] The Southern Poverty Law Center later reported that they had "revealed... that Turner was an FBI informant"[35] and the Anti-Defamation League reported that "a neo-Nazi Website had posted material reportedly found by the hackers, including alleged exchanges between himself and law enforcement agents that indicated that Turner had been providing information to them."[36]"

"Sounds like the Minority report...."
"And with all this attention and him arrested--he appears like a free speech political prisoner."
#74 | Posted by MURPHY at 2009-06-04 07:37 PM


YEAH!
Says the person who just 3 months ago held this position (of convenience) concerning the release of crooked execs who still were rewarded with bailout money!
"Congress and the MSM are whipping people into a frenzy of class warfare.
Someone is going to get hurt."
#5 | Posted by MURPHY at 2009-03-20


But I suppose you forgot all about that!

The way this story is encapsulated above (by the always religious-friendly moderators of this website I suppose) makes Catholics sound as if we were his this nimrod's audience. Actually, Turner only used an issue we have been hot about (government regulation of one religion proposed in that state) to make his vile comments.
Hey, retort mods: look at the polling data for the last election and see that Obama got the majority of Catholic votes. Stop trying to make us sound like the "enemy."

"This will be the Thread where the Tired old "conservatives" will..." #3 | Posted by Redneckville

Creating 'liberal facts" out of thin air by drawing phony conclusions. "Conservatives" will blah blah this and "conservatives" will blah blah that...yadda yadda yadda.

"Creating 'liberal facts" out of thin air by drawing phony conclusions"

YEAH!

You're Right ------ What was I thinking!

The "conservatives" have never made the claim that the "libruul media" is "emboldening the terrorists" while simultaneously claiming that the vile and hateful rhetoric of their own is "harmless"! Rhetoric that includes suggestions like "Poisoning Liberal Judges", suggesting an elected official should "suck on this gun", and now openly advocating for the Murder of doctors who perform a Legal service!

And hell, it's not like any "conservative" has ever declared a war on rock music, claiming it makes people kill themselves!

Your right, why should those past statements of "conservatives" be relevant and rehashed ------ it's not like any "conservative" makes a lucrative income out of doing Just that (like a radio show that's devoted to obsession of what people have said in the past)!



And hell, it's not like any "conservative" has ever declared a war on rock music,

Nope. The democrats did that first.


And hell, it's not like any "conservative" has ever declared a war on rock music,


Nope. The democrats did that first.

Posted by goatman at 2009-06-05 11:00 AM |

They both did actually. The right used the church and the left used the children.

They both did actually. The right used the church and the left used the children.

I stand by my statement. The left did it first and in grand style -- senate hearings and everything. Google PMRC. (hint tipper and al gore)

Loved Zappa's testimony before the senate, btw

The left did it better (PMRC sucks and I still hate Tipper Gore to this day), but the right actually brought criminal charges against bands that the left didn't (Judas Priest suicide trial, Ozzy). They are both equally guilty in their assaults on rock and roll.

The left did it better (PMRC sucks and I still hate Tipper Gore to this day), but the right actually brought criminal charges against bands that the left didn't (Judas Priest suicide trial, Ozzy). They are both equally guilty in their assaults on rock and roll.

Just agree that both parties are guilty of trying to pander without actually doing anything and just flush redshitville down the toilet along with his stupid argument.

And Zappa was great, but I still love Dee Snider of Twisted Sister and his filed teeth to look like fangs as he smiled and gave great testimony.

... but I still love Dee Snider of Twisted Sister and his filed teeth to look like fangs as he smiled and gave great testimony.

Yes, I do remember. I'm not a Twisted Sister fan, but that was a good testimony.

Wish they had subpoened the Ramones. That would have been a great scene!
I did not vote for Gore in the primaries in good part because of this censorship crusade. He is a prig. He was the evil of two lessers in the main election for me, however. Sigh. God help this country.

Al didn't support the PMRC, but kept silent cause his wife did. Al Gore went to Zappa shows in the 60's. I didn't vote for him in 2000 inpart because I did not want first lady Tipper.

"Just agree that both parties are guilty of trying to pander without actually doing anything and just flush redshitville down the toilet along with his stupid argument."
#94 | Posted by eberly at 2009-06-05 11:14 AM


So then I take it, Scarlett, that in your opinion, investigating Bush and his torture fetish in fact DOESN'T embolden the "enemy" after all?
Or are you attempting to just ignore that part (rhetorical of course, because it's obvious)?

I stand by my statement. The left did it first and in grand style -- senate hearings and everything. Google PMRC. (hint tipper and al gore)

Loved Zappa's testimony before the senate, btw

#92 | Posted by goatman at 2009-06-05 11:08 AM | Reply | Flag:


Are you honestly trying to say that Tipper Gore and 'the left' were the first people to use political power to try and crush rock music?

I think you need to look back to the earliest days of Rock-N-Roll to find that.

Goatman is gone.

I think you need to look back to the earliest days of Rock-N-Roll to find that.

#100 | Posted by COMMONSENSE

If you have a link to a site that contradicts what I said, I'll look at it and concede my point. But I'm not real impressed with your usual "you are wrong" retort without backup.

I've got a couple of more hours at he airport, then I'm outta here for a couple of weeks in case you wish to respond intelligently

I was wrong - you're back.

You must be on a layover.

Or, if I'd read the whole post, I'd have known you ARE on a layover.

PS, commonsense (I still laugh when I type your handle) I'm still waiting for that link to substantiate your claim that Rick Perry edorse Texas secession.

You have a lot of "you are wrong posts", but never any to back up your BS.

I don't know Turner or his actual remarks in context. He seems to be a personally unpopular fellow, whom many folks find distasteful. Without viewing the actual statements, it's difficult to evaluate them. I wonder since he is unpopular if the interpretation might be excessive, if he might have been using hyperbole and imagery rather than advocating actual harm be one to the government functionaries.

It is noteworthy that this government action took to lock him up results from what may be marginal political expression, as the government intrudes in an increasing number of areas of lives of Americans controlling their actions in a variety of ways.

His tactics are similar to those aggressively used by proponents of "sexual marriage" legislation, publishing names and home addresses and otherwise encouraging vigilante action with harassment and what have you, and also hounding people out of their jobs.

Here is an excerpt regarding tactics this fellow is accused of using.

On Tuesday, the blog included a post that promised to release the home addresses of state Rep. Michael Lawlor, state Sen. Andrew McDonald and Thomas Jones of the State Ethics Office.

Isn't it remarkable that these same tactics or those which may be far worse, targeting individuals and releasing their home addresses and employment, and advocating their loss of their employment, is considered laudable when done by self-righteous homosexuals and homophiles, but condemned when done by someone with another cause?

Hey Doc, my "thready," good to see your interest. I'm pleased to have the opportunity to help you improve yourself. I'm not usually a monitor, who corrects spelling and the like, but since you are seeking to pattern yourself on my performance, I think that the term you used "hoipolloi" is actually two words "hoi polloi," and means the people. I won't explore the nuances of usage here now.

You are so rhythmic Doc. Your presentation is amusing, but I think that it would be awesome if presented in the proper venue. I can visualize you in a minstrel costume (the loose striped double breasted coat covered with large red dots, worn over a loose shirt with a large collar and red and white stripes, and large white sport socks covered with oversized pointed shoes, and of course you'd be carrying and twirling a cane) singing and dancing as you perform on a vaudeville stage doing your shtick. You'd be magnificent Doc.

I wonder if you have an agent yet. What a monologue. I suppose that you are patterning the lyrics for your skit on my original work, so I certainly hope that you are sending me the appropriate payment through ASCAP for each performance. With you being such an avid proponent of workers and artists, I certainly hope that you would not repudiate your ideology for pelf and not remit the proper compensation to me for use of my original ideas and work product. Worker and artists are worthy of their hires, Doc.

I'm sure Doc will give you a percentage of all that he makes from his hilarious spoof of you, Johnson. In fact, in anticipation of that, I suggest you go right out and buy a new car on credit. I'm thinking you would fancy a Buick, or maybe an Oldsmobile?

"Goatman is gone."

No such luck. He's back, like the Drduge chancre sore.

Drudge

#109 | Posted by mOntecOre at 2009-06-05 04:47 PM |Flag: still obsessed

"...next time I need a crash course of what is and what is not permitted on the DR, I'll be sure to give you a call..."

#44 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2009-06-04 03:36 PM | Reply | Flag:


Doc - wow touchy. I didn't say anything was not permitted. I just thought it was kind of cheap, what you guys were doing. But if you got some FF's, then fair enough. A cheap laugh is a laugh.

BTW - do I get any humor credit at all for my #31? :o(

I just realized I drive past this creep Turner's house every day I go to work. He's in the middle of a heavily minority neighborhood.

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