Drudge Retort: Red Meat for Yellow Dogs
Tuesday, June 02, 2009

President Barack Obama suggested that Iran may have some right to nuclear energy -- provided it proves by the end of the year that its aspirations are peaceful. "What I do believe is that Iran has legitimate energy concerns, legitimate aspirations," Obama said.

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Sounds like Obama sees the futility of taking the steps to stop them from attaining such power.

"Although I don't want to put artificial time tables on that process, we do want to make sure that, by the end of this year, we've actually seen a serious process move forward. And I think that we can measure whether or not the Iranians are serious," Obama said.

This statement is unfortunate, even if its his belief, because it takes everything off the table for at least a year. By that time, who knows Iran could have "nuclear breakout capability" or it being fait a complete.

US military chief says Iran closer on nuclear weapons
www.google.com

Obama might be taking a page out of Edwards play book, the "Grand Bargian", which he stated, he would trade with Iran nuclear power if they shut down its material production plant. If they didn't then it was a sign that they had intentions of wanting to build a weapon.

The other signal is an Iranian request to purchase low-enriched uranium....
"From our point of view, the best thing they can do is work out a solution with the international community so they can proceed with the nuclear electricity program and import the low-enriched uranium fuel that they need for those reactors."

"Now, on the other hand, it's one of the unfortunate ironies of the situation that while they don't have enough uranium for a civil nuclear energy program, they have plenty for a weapons program."
www.cfr.org

Considering the linear scale of weapons developement from rocks to spears to gunpowder to nuclear weapons and whatever lies beyond.

I've never understood how we can say you can develop to point A, but not past point A.

It's like putting your finger in the dyke.

It might take 2000 years but eventually Zimbabwe will develop these weapons.

We better get use to it.

Why didn't he campaign on stuff like this?

I think I'm going to follow Joe Biden's advice and gird my loins.

There is a law of unintended consequences and with Iran, unintended consequences are scaaaarrrrriiieeeey.

As far as power generating, Iran does have the right to nuclear power, as would any Nation.

Sounds like Lord Zero wants to see Israel at war.

Or he's a spineless wonder.

Either way, a very dangerous buffoon.

"President Barack Obama suggested that Iran may have some right to nuclear energy ..."

If a nation wants to diminish its dependence on oil, nuclear energy will have to be one of the ways. I'd say that Iran has as much right to do so as anyone.

President Barack Obama suggested that Iran may have some right to nuclear energy

They have a right but we don't....

...Nuclear Power does not mean Nuclear Weapons. Light Water Reactors for instance. How is this news?

Every nation has the right to nuclear power.

Sounds like Lord Zero wants to see Israel at war.

Or he's a spineless wonder.

Either way, a very dangerous buffoon.

#5 | Posted by TheOneBS

Your solution?

No more useless carping please.

Obama should inform the Iranians how irresponsible it is to pursue nuclear power. They should be building giant windmills and solar farms instead.

Why is Obama willing to have the Iranians building nuclear plants, but not Americans?

"Why is Obama willing to have the Iranians building nuclear plants, but not Americans?"

Since you're obviously familiar with Obama's position on this -- that he's opposed to building nuclear plants -- could you supply a link that might educate the rest of us?

Thanks.

"korea cannot be allowed to have nuclear power"what's the dif.everybody knows they both have the same ambition and all the carrots in the world is not going to stop them.

I wonder if all you Obama lovers will feel the same way about Iran having nuclear power after New York or L.A. disappear under a nuclear cloud?

So BHO is an advocate for Iran to have nuclear energy and is willing to aid them but the he is against the US having it.

obama is not sending a message to Iran here. he is sending amessage to Israel.


#14 | Posted by shortstop

Is that supposed to be a real argument?

Ailtd,
It is going for an emotional response because he knows logic and reason fail his argument.

no-- shortstop is two tacos short a mexican meal, as is every other neocon shill.

#15 | Posted by bph320

Doc Sarvis asked RiR for a link on that. Perhaps you can provide it?

#18 | Posted by kanrei

Every time I submit a sarcastic post it goes over like the proverbial lead balloon. One of these days I'll learn - maybe. Us old folks aren't big on change.

So BHO is an advocate for Iran to have nuclear energy and is willing to aid them but the he is against the US having it.
#15 | Posted by bph320

I completely agree. Obama is insane. We need to stop him. I can't believe he is shutting down all the nuclear power plants in the United States because he believes we shouldn't have nuclear power! ...wait...what? He's not? Obama merely is against some proposals expanding nuclear power in the United States in certain geographic locations? And Iran has very different technological, financial, infrastructural, meterological, and geological conditions from the United States? And BPH320, RightisRight, and Stirsumup are stupid, can't read, and liars? Oh...my bad.

Ailt,
I got the sarcasim, I was just adding to the "dogpile on the rabbit."

Why is Obama willing to have the Iranians building nuclear plants, but not Americans?

Go back and review his campaign speeches and responses in various debates regarding nuclear energy and then get back to us. I think you are confusing Obama with Hillary.

See pages 6 and 7:

www.barackobama.com

It is interesting to note that the factsheet states he is concerned with tracking, controlling and accounting for spent fuel - one would hope he has the same concerns regarding Iran's spent fuel.

someday franklin pierce is gonna be considered a great president because he did absolutely nothing.

getting things done will soon be overrated. obama is the third president in a row who is trying to do waaay too much-- the third president in a row captured by a messianic ambition and extremist ideology. as a result no one knows WTF will come of it even a year or two down the road.

Nerfherder,

Have you ever seen the youtube video named "Nerfherder".

#25 | Posted by NerfHerder

Ah, fatalism. Que sera, sera. La dolce vita. Or, as Louis XIV (IIRC) stated, after me the deluge.

#26

JJ

I tried to look that up when you mentioned it last time, couldn't find a particular video titled "Nerfherder", but lots of other funny and/or stupid videos with the word "nerfherder" in the title. I know it's a Star Wars insult, but what the hell is a nerfherder supposed to be, anyway?

As far as the topic of the thread, how scared/at ease should we all be? And what about North Korea? And what about Venezuela? And what about Cuba? And what about China? And what about Russia? And what about Pakistan? And what about Palestine?

(did I miss any more bogeyman used to justify further insane amounts of military spending?)

re: #27 | Posted by AILtd

I put the ball sack in Balzac.

"I wonder if all you Obama lovers will feel the same way about Iran having nuclear power after New York or L.A. disappear under a nuclear cloud?"

Boy the rightwing moonbat brigade wet dreams big, doesn't it? Shortdick and aflac cheering on islamics killing millions of Americans.

But there's no such thing as rightwing domestic terrorism because all rightwinger love America....

Scrump,

It's a Star Wars insult and nothing more.

In Episode V Princess Leia called Han Solo "A scruffy-looking nerfherder."


Here is a link to the video I am referring to:

www.youtube.com

Scrump,


You have to be a real Star Wars fan to pick up on all of the subtleties.

#32

That was awesome, thanks! That wasn't Romulan Ale the alien was drinking, was it? That would be splicing in some Star Trek, a big no-no. I want some of that vapory blue drink, whatever it was.

#33

Ouch. I guess I have been slacking, haven't watched or read any Star Wars in some time. Used to watch the videos pretty much every day as a kid. It's awesome to see kids these days still into Star Wars, and when I ask them which one is their favorite, it's usually Episode 4 or 6.

#30 | Posted by NerfHerder

Never heard that one.

I wonder if all you Obama lovers will feel the same way about Iran having nuclear power after New York or L.A. disappear under a nuclear cloud?

#14 | Posted by shortstop at 2009-06-02 03:33 PM


What are you talking about? There's no nuclear threat now that Saddam is gone!

Kirk quit being a pant pissed you have jeebus on your side.

Sounds like Lord Zero wants to see Israel at war.

Or he's a spineless wonder.

Either way, a very dangerous buffoon.

#5 | Posted by TheOneBS at 2009-06-02 02:51 PM | Reply | Flag:

The One Bullshit,

Let me guess, you're one of these 'we only love Israel because we think Armageddon will be fought there' loons??

So, you condone Israel bombing Iran because it wants to create energy? Typical uber-con mentality.

He's clearly trying to get the Iranian-American vote in 2012. Ahhh, the campaign never ends with this rookie Pres.

I wonder if all you Obama lovers will feel the same way about Iran having nuclear power after New York or L.A. disappear under a nuclear cloud?

#14 | Posted by shortstop

Why are you even worried about this...we all know this can't happen as long as we waterboard the perps right?

And I wouldn't worry so much about Iran as I would Pakistan. They already have nukes and they could lose them real easy. And isn't Pakistan the country of Khan, the Pakistani Nuclear Weapons Pimp? Why are you not all screaming about that? Oh, because that happened on BushCo's watch....rrrrright!

In January 2004, Khan confessed to having been involved in a clandestine international network of nuclear weapons technology proliferation from Pakistan to Libya, Iran and North Korea. There is evidence to believe that Khan and his network are one of the worst proliferators of nuclear technology that can be used to develop nuclear weapons. However, owing to domestic pressure from radical groups, on February 5, 2004, the President of Pakistan, General Pervez Musharraf, announced that he had pardoned Khan, who is widely seen as a national hero.

Obama doesn't really care about Israel.

"No more settlements for you".

And--


"Iran can have nuclear power".


www.youtube.com

The Americans that truly care about Israel are those who:

1. Regularly buy numbers on their local baptist church's "date of the Rapture" betting board.

2. Lovingly cultivate their own anal wart colonies and windowsill booger farms.

3. Are racist redneck closeted faggots who spooge at the mention of anything USMC, during the talk of big weaponry, at the sight of Dick Cheney, and while watching Bill O'Reilly and the other FOXtards spew their verbal neocon spunk across the country's airwaves.

Outside of some BS prophesy out of a 2000+ year old book written by superstitious men, what exactly are the reasons we should allow Israel to do things that threaten war and hurt our greater interest? Not that we shouldn't be allies. We should. But to allow Israel to dictate U.S. policy -- for whatever reason -- is treasonous. Which make the folks here who unequivocally support Israel -- even over their own freely elected President -- well, I guess that makes them traitors.

Yes, the far right fundamentals are traitors. The enemy of country, and reason. Just like the POS women haters in Pakistan. Enemies of humanity all.

Keep your religion private. Worship as you want. I don't give a fuck.
But when you flash your God like some pervert flashing his cock and demanding that everyone suck it -- fuck you.

I wonder if all you Obama lovers will feel the same way about Iran having nuclear power after New York or L.A. disappear under a nuclear cloud?

Because bombing them or getting bombed are our only two choices... and even if they were, Tel Aviv will go first. In a few years, once Iran figures out all the nuances of bombmaking... and only if the world conforms to some neocon fantasy.

BTW there is a big difference between a nuclear reactor and the fuel that produce peaceful energy and the stuff used for weapons. If Iran wants nuclear energy and not a bomb, there are ways of keeping both sides happy.

Unfortunately, it's looking more and more like Israeli government and US neocons are frothing at the mouth and spoiling for a fight. The Iranian government isn't exactly concerned about clean energy, either. They want to goad the US and Israelis, perhaps getting whatever concessions they can. Do they want a bomb? Maybe... but the issue itself is advantageous for the theocracy. It lets them keep playing the valiant underdogs in a drama of their own making.

He's clearly trying to get the Iranian-American vote in 2012. Ahhh, the campaign never ends with this rookie Pres.

After all of Bush and the neocons bloviating, I don't think he needed to worry about that demographic.

Remember... "axis of evil"... "bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran..."

Obama doesn't really care about Israel.

He cares enough to try and deter them from doing something truly stupid.

Murph, It's similar to what your family did when they saw you were getting jaundiced and refused to keep bringing you handles of whiskey and pilfered Oxycontin tablets.

Yes, the far right fundamentals are traitors. The enemy of country, and reason.

You got it!

Here the Islamics have been using the weapons at hand to wreak destruction, and have declared their intent to subjugate the West. The denials by the left are similar to those who declared that Hitler couldn't really mean what he said in Mein Kampf.

If the Iranians obtain nuclear weapons then our major cities are at risk from Iran and rogue elements it supports.

It's interesting that the compassionate left is willing to sacrifice the Israelis, who are civilized to the barbarians lurking at the gates. Somehow leftists generally have taken over the role of Jew-haters and pursue their passion in whatever context is available. The only consistency is their enmity.

Oh well.

I fear that our submission to Islamics will produce unexpected and unpleasant consequences for us.

It's interesting that the compassionate left is willing to sacrifice the Israelis
#46 | Posted by Johnson

The compassionate RIGHT as well. I'm all for Israel becoming mincemeat for the benefit of America. Any real American should gladly sacrifice poor Israel if it benefits their country in the long run. I think this small sacrifice isn't too much to ask to keep america strong-- after all, israel is barely the size of delaware, and we shouldn't sacrifice delaware because no one wants PA as the new first state and with only forty nine states the stars on the flag would look all assymetrical and cock-eyed.

Just curious, has Obama proposed increasing our nuclear energy system? Seems like a known quantity; we could build more plants and get more and more off foreign energy sources / sources that pollute the atmosphere. Just wondering if he's proposing anything that increases Amercians' access to nuclear energy while he's working on Iran's nuclear ambitions.

suggest you consider what Obama is saying as if this is a chess game. I do not think he is ignoring or palliating[?] this situation.

It was Israel who first illegally developed their nuclear weapons in the Middle East and that is what caused others such as Iran and Iraq in the region to demand their own. These reckless actions have threatened and cost the USA enormously.

Israel should be required to either give up their nukes, or the USA should withdraw the committment to their defense. Tiny trigger happy little nations should be stripped of their nuclear weapons and Israel should be the first example to make the remaining purge credible.

As far as the topic of the thread, how scared/at ease should we all be? And what about North Korea? And what about Venezuela? And what about Cuba? And what about China? And what about Russia? And what about Pakistan? And what about Palestine?

(did I miss any more bogeyman used to justify further insane amounts of military spending?)

#29 | Posted by Scrumplet at 2009-06-02 04:08 PM|

Yup, you sure did. What about Israel.

Iran has a right. It's just Americans that can't build any nukes for power. Windmills are superior.

And oddly enough....The Jewish voted for him.

they only voted for him in hopes he would get bumped off and their boy, Joe "I am a Zionist, really" Biden would ascend to the throne.

Don't think that scenario can't happen.

"Obama: Iran Has Right to Nuclear Power"

Gee, maybe some related news is needed to help explain Obama's position.

"Why'd Obama switch on detainee photos? Maliki went ballistic"
"President Barack Obama reversed his decision to release detainee abuse photos from Iraq and Afghanistan after Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al Maliki warned that Iraq would erupt into violence"
www.mcclatchydc.com

Then why all that bullshit about protecting the troops blah blah blah?

"The Emergence of President Obama's Muslim Roots"
"During a conference call in preparation for President Obama's trip to Cairo, Egypt, where he will address the Muslim world, deputy National Security Adviser for Strategic Communications Denis McDonough said "the President himself experienced Islam on three continents before he was able to -- or before he's been able to visit, really, the heart of the Islamic world -- you know, growing up in Indonesia, having a Muslim father -- obviously Muslim Americans (are) a key part of Illinois and Chicago."
blogs.abcnews.com

Add a preacher that says "God Damn America" and a buddy who is a domestic terrorist then it all makes perfect sense.

And Obama is anti-coal and wants billions spent on so called green house gases BUT when it comes time for lying to get votes Obama is for blowing the tops of mountains to make coal mining easier.

"Obama Moves Mountains to Create Jobs; Environmentalists Weep"
"The Obama administration has expressed approved of at least two dozen new mountaintop removal' projects, an environmentally destructive mining method used in West Virginia, Kentucky, and Ohio, to expose coal by removing the entire tops of mountains ."
www.americanthinker.com

Israel should be the first example to make the remaining purge credible.

#50 | POSTED BY ROBSON

You need all nations capable of launching an ICBM to guarantee a shield. Shift the focus to defense. An absolute inventory would have to be verified.

What's surprising in retrospect is that no one has lit one off in war for almost 70 years.

Israel fears the religious zealots in Iran who has the End Times vision of the world destroyed by a fiery blast - their version of Armageddon. They're just waiting for umpteenth Iman or something.

I think everyone ought agree that the First Rule is the Preservation of Life.

As far as power generating, Iran does have the right to nuclear power, as would any Nation.

#4 | Posted by briwo at 2009-06-02 02:45 PM |

Except the United States of America. Wind and solar aren't the answer. What happens when the wind doesn't blow and the sun doesn't shine?

Obama is a farce, a political whore and I can't stand him. He speaks for no one and yet claims to speak for all of us. When will you lefties wake the hell up?

Obama: largest debtor in US history. We will have to borrow more to cover his current debt, than ALL of THE DEBTS combined in the last 30 years!

Iran signed the NPT, Israel hasn't.
Iran does not have nukes, Israel does (even though they won't admit it publicly).

People who take the Bible prophecy/Israel/End Times thing literally are scary to sane humans.

The Isrealies aren't the chosen ones, in God's eye.

Iran DOES have nukes. Damn, if N. Korea can come up with a few, surely Iran already has them!


Obama is a farce, a political whore and I can't stand him. He speaks for no one and yet claims to speak for all of us. When will you lefties wake the hell up?

Trust no-nothing KKK knuckledraggers to try and blame Obama

According to an analysis by USA Today, the U.S. government borrowed $6.8 trillion in 2008, raising the total owed to a record $63.8 trillionwhich comes out to $546,668 per household in the United States. The average American family has personal debt of $122,000.

2008? Last time I looked that was during Bush's term you racist retard.

Why would Iran attack Israel or anyone else with a nuclear weapon?
When I get a reasonable answer to that question then I'll take your opinion seriously.


Why would Iran attack Israel or anyone else with a nuclear weapon?
When I get a reasonable answer to that question then I'll take your opinion seriously.

I think the knuckledraggers are employing

Rumsfeld's theorem: The absence of evidence is evidence.

Every country has the right to peaceful, nuclear energy. But any country with nuclear energy must also ensure adequate protection of those resources. I guess the fear is that Iran will be the next Pakistan (AQ Khan).

Tommy W (white trash?)

Trust no-nothing KKK knuckledraggers to try and blame Obama...you racist retard.

Obama is a farce. I don't like him and don't hide that fact. How did I raise my stature in your playbook to racist? Anyone that disagrees with you is a racist?

Please explain, POS white boy....


I guess the fear is that Iran will be the next Pakistan (AQ Khan).


They have a loooongggg way to go to get to THAT level.

Besides, they have declared nukes as "unislamic". LOL

Why do we have the right to nuclear weapons and they do not? I thought all humanity was equal.
It is, but equally evil.
That aside, a country with oil like New Jersey has crass does not need cheaper electric right now....

Al queda blows up a building = terrorism.

American army blows up a building = freedom.

American army blows up a building = freedom.

Guess it depends on whose building it is Shawn!

Teliban building = good.
Iran nuclear building = good.
N. Korean nuclear building = good.

Your mom's apartment building where you live in the basement = bad.

"The wave of the Islamic revolution will soon reach the entire world."

-Mahmoud Ahmadinejad


Yeah, it's really a good thing that he has any type of nuclear capability.

Who seriously thinks that what Iran is really doing is pursuing electricity?

But don't take any EXTREME RIGHT WINGER'S word for it. Take him at his own words:

"Iran's enemies know your courage, faith and commitment to Islam and the land of Iran has created a powerful army that can powerfully defend the political borders and the integrity of the Iranian nation and cut off the hand of any aggressor and place the sign of disgrace on their forehead."

"The Islamic republic of Iran has the capacity to quickly become a world superpower. If we believe in ourselves... no other power can be compared to us."

"By the grace of Allah, we (will be) a nuclear power."

"We don't shy away from declaring that Islam is ready to rule the world." 1

"Our revolution's main mission is to pave the way for the reappearance of the Twelfth Imam, the Mahdi."

"Soon Islam will become the dominating force in the world, occupying first place in the number of followers amongst all other religions."

"Is there a craft more beautiful, more sublime, more divine, than the craft of giving yourself to martyrdom and becoming holy? Do not doubt, Allah will prevail, and Islam will conquer mountain tops of the entire world."

The mask is almost completely off.

this Barak Obama is the greatest subversion ever perpetrated in the history of the world.

The Muslim extremists have successfully planted into the office of the Presidency- their greatest and most arduous achievment imaginable.

Positioned and already in the act of taking the USA down.
While brain dead Americans cheer and clap for him like an "American Idol"

A Muslim extremist infiltator in the guise of regular middle class college kid turned lawyer turned politcian.

Pefectly groomed, and background controlled and guided like the greatest of undercover operations.

No one would have possibly expected this ( well, almost noone)

Born in Ethiopia. Schooled as a child by Muslim fanatics. planted in the american school system by his handlers. guided towards the most corrupt political machine in the country- Chicago (a soft target for infiltration). gains the support of the most fanatic left wing America hating political powerbrokers in the country - to legitimize his agenda- well the part of it that he can SHOW, anyways.

well it is showing now.
He wants Israel wiped off the map.
He wants to let Iran, Cuba, Venezuela, N Korea run wild and take us into nuke war.
He has taken over the banks, the auto industry,
now gunning for the Internet, Radio. he has taken the approipriate steps to assure the destruction of the dollar.

CANT ANYONE see what is going on??!!!

TELL ME ONE TINY GODDAM SENTENCE EVER UTTERED BY THIS MUSLIM TERRORIST INFILTRATOR OBAMA that sounded like he GENUINELY LOVED AND RESPECTED THIS COUNTRY and thought THIS COUNTRY WAS GREAT. WHEN DID HE EVER UNABASHEDLY SPEAK OF HIS PRIDE IN THIS COUNTY'S EXCELLENCE ????
TELL ME ONE FUCKING THING !!!!!!!!!!!!!

#71 | Posted by 8roper


Tell me something: If someone showed you the Queen of Diamonds, would your leg get all tingly?

#71 | Posted by 8roper| Flag: Anyone Who Knows This Loon Should Call the Secret Service, Immediately

Iran DOES have nukes.

#59 | Posted by Beachbuzz

Speculation.

And even if Iran possesses a nuclear weapon, there's not a lot that can be done about it, now is there.

A couple of points:

Iran is a major supplier of sweet, wonderful, black crude to just about everybody on the side of the planet.

If Iran were to deploy nuclear weapons against any country, it would also be signing its own death warrant. It's that MAD thing.

For my part, I fear bio and chem weapons far more than nukes.

Anyone Who Knows This Loon Should Call the Secret Service, Immediately

#73 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis

The Secret Service and other security agencies of the US employ thousands for the sole purpose of surfing the net. To be sure, "they" have already read the above rant-rave. If "they" have determined that the author is a threat, or simply requires investigation, you can bet that the cyber-hounds are already on the trail.

Doc and Zot the "thought police" that you describe only exist in Obama's fantasies at this time.
But as I mentioned in my post, and the both of you agree, he IS aiming to control the content of the internet -
Oh and speaking of controlled content....

I FORGOT to mention that he now shuts out even the FRIENDLY independent news agencies and produces his own news presentations.

OK...so let me understand....in Obama's mind

EVERY NATION has a 'right" to nuclear power - except ours?

And its ok for the terriorist supporting country to have nuclear weapons (that we could stop with a couple of cruise missles and a bunker buster or two)even if THE WORLD puts sanctions on it? But WE need to dismantle OURS?

And it is also OK to have a 4th world Dictator in Korea to test Missles and Nukes (thank you Bill Clinton for allowing them to have the guidance systems) but we should not try to stop them? (with same above mentioned capabilities)

THIS IS WORLD LEADERSHIP? Oh..sorry forgot...we are not supposed to lead the world.....

You guys might not agree but - there is nothing to discount what 8roper is saying. Do you know Obama's history? Do you know who paid for him to get into Harvard? Do you know who paid for his senatorial campaign?

You can call him a nut...but where is your documentation that proves IT IS NOT TRUE?

Are you not the least bit concerned at the direction all this is going?

I think it was Bid Laden who shortly after 9/11 said something like - We are going to see something that makes the World Trade Center attack pale in comparison -
or something like that -

Doc and Zot the "thought police" that you describe only exist in Obama's fantasies at this time.

#76 | Posted by 8roper

Methinks it be you who is having the fantasy.

Do you believe that there are not people hired solely for the purpose of trolling the net seeking out subversive and/or criminal activity?

ZOT-

While I am sure the authorities monitor internet content,

clearly my #71 is not the type of thing that sets off alarm bells with them.

And even if they were having a slow day and for some silly reason were interested in my #71, it probably lasted for about 30 seconds- as they can probably figure out who i am amd see my record as an upstanding citizen regular guy.

MY POINT was that the THOUGHT POLICE that you and DOC would think should COME AND LOCK ME UP for my #71 - ARE THE TYPE OF THOUGHT police that Obama has in store for us.

that clear it up for ya?

see Zot - notice my wording -

Doc and Zot the "thought police" that you describe only exist in Obama's fantasies at this time.


You good now???

OK ????

oops wrong handle

ah that's better

I don't trust the Muslims, the Israelis or the Israeli firsters inside the USA. They all have warped agendas that no not work to the greater benefit of the USA.

I'm also not convinced that 9-11 was what it appeared to be. It could have been either an "Operation Northwoods" type event organized or aided by the neocons and Israel Zionists to gain favor for Israel, OR it truly was an event totally and independently perpetrated by OBL. Too many unanswered questions from the 9-11 Commission. www.911truth.org

God forbid if there ever is another massive terrorist action or nuclear event inside the USA, I would not jump to the conclusion that it had to be the Muslims. But of course the overabundance of Zionists in our government and media would push the propaganda in that direction so that Americans would once again react with another unending war against Israel's enemies. We are puppets. The really dangerous aspect is that Israel knows there would never be an aggressive impartial objective investigation that would prove them guilty.

If Iran were to deploy nuclear weapons against any country, it would also be signing its own death warrant. It's that MAD thing.

#74 | Posted by ZOT

Zot, don't you get it yet? In order for the 12th imam to reappear, there has to be great death and destruction against the Muslims. Ahmadinijad (sp) is a Twelver and his belief is that in order for his version of Jesus Christ to appear on earth, millions of Muslims must die.

Take him at his word. He is WELCOMING the destruction of the world so that Peace can reign over earth. That's not me talking. That's the insane nutjobs running Iran!

I don't trust the Muslims, the Israelis or the Israeli firsters inside the USA. They all have warped agendas that no not work to the greater benefit of the USA.


Robson that's a nice disclaimer preamble to your post ,

but then the rest of your post clearly is a Jew haters rant.

what gives, man.... skip the niceties next time and just bust right out into your post and call them a bunch of filthy Jews.


As far as power generating, Iran does have the right to nuclear power, as would any Nation.

#4 | Posted by briwo at 2009-06-02 02:45 PM


the telling difference?

both the us and russia offered to take care of all of thier nuclear needs to avoid even the hint of weapons...they declined.......

because that is NOT the point of thier work and only the naive american liberal wont admit that.
or MAYBE they arent so naive afterall...

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#87 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2009-06-03 11:53 AM

I'd tell you what I think, twinkle toes, but you'd just try and ssssssue me.

www.drudge.com

MY POINT was that the THOUGHT POLICE that you and DOC would think should COME AND LOCK ME UP for my #71 - ARE THE TYPE OF THOUGHT police that Obama has in store for us.

that clear it up for ya?

#80 | Posted by santino_c at 2009-06-03 10:39 AM | Reply | Flag:

see Zot - notice my wording -

Doc and Zot the "thought police" that you describe only exist in Obama's fantasies at this time.


You good now???

OK ????

#81 | Posted by santino_c

You clear up nothing because there was nothing to clear up. You brought up the Thought Police and arrests.

And yeah, perhaps (probably) some monitoring software keyed on certain words in your rant-rave, flagged it to an auditor, who accessed this site, read your rant-rave, rated, tagged, and filed the instance, and saved it back to some heuristic system that will correlate your next rant-rave with your last, bump you up a notch.

Just because you believe that you are innocuous, innocent, and harmless, and "an upstanding citizen regular guy," based on your commentary, you probably could (should) be tagged as a subversive.

If, stress if, you ever get yourself deep in doo, depending on the doo you stepped in, especially if it is fed doo, your commentaries could come into play.

When asked about his position early on by a New Hampshire newspaper, Obama said he was open to the idea if certain problems could be solved. And it was a long list of issues, including safety, waste storage, vulnerability to terrorist attack and concerns about weapons proliferation.

But if those are solvable?

"Why not?" Obama said. "I don't think there is anything we inevitably dislike about nuclear power. We just dislike the fact that it might blow up ... and irradiate us ... and kill us!" His questioners laughed.

www.npr.org
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So . . . . Obama is more confident in Iranian plants' "safety, waste storage, vulnerability to terrorist attack and concerns about weapons proliferation" than in those here in America.

But that's fine. Between his absurd cap-and-trade dumbassedness and his revulsion to nuclear power, every American household's power bills will be going up. A lot. And we deserve to put our money where our mouths are. He's a buffoon, talks out of both sides of his mouth, is a Luddite who would rather build windmills than nuclear plants, and Americans deserve everything about him.

ah good one kevin


I chuckled when it said...that it was on record that he was a hetero....
did he have arrests for using whores or something?

and is that a new defense for the spritzers of the political world..

hey I bought a whore with tax money but at least it was with a woman...

Just because you believe that you are innocuous, innocent, and harmless, and "an upstanding citizen regular guy," based on your commentary, you probably could (should) be tagged as a subversive.


If, stress if, you ever get yourself deep in doo, depending on the doo you stepped in, especially if it is fed doo, your commentaries could come into play.

#89 | Posted by ZOT

DUDE

you have an irrational fear/acceptance of authority


I bet you hate the Patriot Act.

And I would say
"SO what man, if you are not breaking the law, you have nothing to fear about the Patriot Act" -


and YOU would say - "HOW THE FUCK do I know that ? they will arrest me for SOMETHING I just KNOW IT"

WOW either that or you are JOE MCCARTHY BAT SHIT NUTS:

Just because you believe that you are innocuous, innocent, and harmless, and "an upstanding citizen regular guy," based on your commentary, you probably could (should) be tagged as a subversive.



WOW either that or you are JOE MCCARTHY BAT SHIT NUTS:
#93 | Posted by 8roper at 2009-06-03 02:09 PM | Reply | Flag: BAT SHIT NUTS

Roper....specifics as to what in my post is anti-Jewish and a falsehood? Some don't like hearing the truth because it doesn't mesh with the propaganda that they want Americans to be fed, as they have been fed for too many years. The internet offers the availability of candid, not canned views. If it were the Gypsies who were leading America around by the nose to benefit only Gypsies I'd be just as vocal about it.

And I would say
"SO what man, if you are not breaking the law, you have nothing to fear about the Patriot Act"

Take that to its logical conclusion.

You aren't breaking the law. So you have nothing to fear from the government installing cameras in your house to monitor your actions every day and implanting a chip in you to track your every movement.

The whole line of resoning is defunct. It's the rationale used by authoritarians to fabricate some semblance of legitimacy for their actions.

Wow... reading the thread from the bottom up... and I just hit post #71...

8Roper is probably due for another depot injection of haldol.

Or he is a plant from the CIA who tries to see who pipes up to agree with him after he posts a bunch of batfuck insane drivel... it would be a good strategy to keep tabs on rightwing militants. Troll blogs and such, spouting nonsense, and see how many militan rightwingers and unmedicated schizoprenics step up to agree with you. Trace their IP's, and then get one of those nice little warrantless wiretaps...

It would be a fun job, really.

If the US can be happy with Pakistan having the world's 4rd largest nuclear arsenal in a few years, it can be just as happy with Iran getting nukes.

I don't see any problems.

4rd = 4th, fourth

Dyslexia bad today... LOL

Obama can have any opinion he wants about Iran's right to have nuclear power... but will he support Israels' rights to defend itself? Will he support a preemptive strike?

Without US assistance, the only way that Israel can be sure that Iran doesn't build and use a nuke against them is to use one of their own first. That would be a HUGE problem not only for Israel but for us. However, it might be the only choice they have if they wish to continue to be a country.

I cannot see a happy outcome anywhere on the horizon.

"Why is Obama willing to have the Iranians building nuclear plants, but not Americans?"

Since you're obviously familiar with Obama's position on this -- that he's opposed to building nuclear plants -- could you supply a link that might educate the rest of us? . . . Thanks.
#12 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis

try NRC.GOV

There have been 17 licence applications to build 26 new nuclear reactors on someone's desk in DC since 2007 . . .
a) reactor designs are approved
b) the site plans are approved

if somebody would simply "ink" a "CONSTRUCTION APPROVED" stamp . . . .
$300 billion+ of PRIVATE MONEY would begin to flow to shovel ready projects

jobs-jobs-jobs . . hundreds of thousands of jobs

engineering - construction - office - welding - inspection - government

millions of tons of steel - pipe - concrete

restaurants - hotels -transportation

NO TAXPAYER MONEY - JUST TAX REVENUE (payroll tax, sales tax, etc, etc)


screw the windmills . . we're 30 yrs behind France on a nuc-power grid

Interesting information, but my question to RiR remains unanswered. (Hint: He hasn't supplied a link because he's misstated Obama's position.)

Hint: He hasn't supplied a link because he's misstated Obama's position.
#102 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis
which position? his campaigning position? he promised everybody - everything


it doesn't take 4 months to stamp a document

Energy Sec Chu does favor nuc-power but has been on a white roof-top promo tour lately

"There have been 17 licence applications to build 26 new nuclear reactors on someone's desk in DC since 2007 . . ."


Linking to NRC.GOV only allows one to spend all day wading through the website. I'm not sure what the procedures are for granting these licences. Your mention of 2007 takes it back well before Obama's time, and that does, in fact appear to be the case, i.e.it usually takes quite a bit of time. See "New Reactor Licensing Applicatins: Schedujles by Calendar Year" at
www.nrc.gov I do know one plant's operating licences wre just renewed by the NRC(www.nrc.gov).

None of which brings RiR's response.

Does Obama support nuclear power, or not?

You tell me Doc. He's you guy.

I'm not sure what the procedures are for granting these licences. Your mention of 2007 takes it back well before Obama's time, and that does, in fact appear to be the case, i.e.it usually takes quite a bit of time.
#104 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis
of course he was not Pres til '09 and appears to have done nothing as a US Senator prior to that

the 17 permits which have site & design approval are just waiting for some agency boss to tell the stamping guy to use that stamp

These nuclear plants are what The Great Obama likes to call "shovel-ready" projects. A whole lotta guys standing around with shovels, waiting for someone in Washington to give them the go-ahead.

But the Luddite Obama is too busy building windmills, and trying to get Muslims to love us. Well, we'll see how that all goes.

Still wondering if he's done or proposed anything to increase Amercians' access to nuclear energy while he's working on getting Iran's nuclear ambitions up and running.

Guess that's a no. If Obama says he supports American nuclear power, but then does nothing to increase it, he's full of shit.

I'm sure he'll be successful in ensuring that Iran gets theirs, though.

Indeed! Well put! This is simpy too scary to even contemplate!

Exactly!

TRANSLATION

israel

suck it up because I cant defend you the way you need because of my committments to the hard corp left led by george soros and some of the people at that RETORT Place...sorry bout that... B OBAMA

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