Drudge Retort: Red Meat for Yellow Dogs
Tuesday, June 02, 2009

GM, which filed for bankruptcy on Monday, announced that it has reached a deal to sell its Hummer division, but has not revealed the price or buyer. The company said the sale was is set to close by the third quarter of this year and should secure more than 3,000 jobs across the U.S.

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What are they charging per hour?

Out call?

People these "things" they are putting out are NOT true Hummers. There are just flashy fiberglas bodys on 3/4 ton Chevy Tahoe frames.

That monstrosity should never had been made for widespread use. They embody everything that is wrong with the american car industry.

They embody everything that is wrong with the american car industry.

Much like the Toyota Tundra.

Someone is wasting their money.

Good for GM. That is the best decision they've made in a LOOOOONNNNNGGGGG Time. Probably the smartest thing they've done since they overhauled the Ram pickup back in the mid-late 90's or whenever that was.

That monstrosity should never had been made for widespread use. They embody everything that is wrong with the american car industry.

#3 | Posted by panchovilla

I guess it is your palce(job) to tell me what kind of car I should drive. I thought we lived in a free country, not communist russia. Go sit on it.

Drive what you want, Sniper. Use up all the resources you want. Buy into the BS. Go for it. Show us all how big your... Oh, never mind.

But you are aware that there's a difference between saying that something symbolizes a problem and saying that you can't drive that something, right?

Granted, I don't think there's any reason for such vehicles to be on the road, and I don't see how it's a right. But you and I certainly disagree. Shockingly.

oh, I thought this link went to something else...

GM is general motors, got ya

"Hummer Division"
that'd be a great name for a butch gay hardcore band.

LMAO Kirk. Maybe Queen should reunite. And get Rob Halford as their lead singer. : )

Granted, I don't think there's any reason for such vehicles to be on the road, and I don't see how it's a right. But you and I certainly disagree. Shockingly.

#7 | Posted by pragmatist

If you want to ride a bicycle or use public transportation, don't let me stop you. Just don't tell me what to drive.

guess it is your palce(job) to tell me what kind of car I should drive. I thought we lived in a free country, not communist russia. Go sit on it.

#6 | Posted by Sniper at 2009-06-02 10:57 AM | Reply |

It is a free country and you can drive an 18 wheeler to the corner store for all I care. But this type of product focus is a prime example of why the big 3 are now the "please bail our asses from our own incompetency" 3.

What makes afraid to the point where you interpret everything as an offense to your personal liberty when it clearly is not?

What makes you...

If only this had been allowed to happen months ago, we could've saved a couple $10 billion.

"If you want to ride a bicycle or use public transportation, don't let me stop you. Just don't tell me what to drive."

You can't stop me from doing anything, pal, but thanks for the permission. And I didn't tell you what to drive. I expressed my disdain. Not the same thing at all. See Panchovilla's comment--I thought he put it well.

And JPW, I'm with you. I think this is a travesty. I also think Moore had some good points in his editorial.

That monstrosity should never had been made for widespread use. They embody everything that is wrong with the american car industry.

#3 | Posted by panchovilla

So how do you square that statement with your post # 11?

#16 | Posted by Sniper

Easily. It's quite clear, you might want to read them again.

the Obama plan dilutes the company's focus. Instead of thinking obsessively about profitability and quality, G.M. will also have to meet the administration's environmental goals. There is no evidence G.M. is good at building the sort of small cars the administration demands. There is no evidence that there is a large American market for these cars. But G.M. now has to serve two masters, the market and the administration's policy goals.to much political capital in the pot to fold now,will have to just keep calling.

Granted, I don't think there's any reason for such vehicles to be on the road, and I don't see how it's a right. But you and I certainly disagree. Shockingly.

#7 | Posted by pragmatist


I'm guessing Prag that you don't live some place that gets lots of snow? By lots I don't mean 2 - 3 inches.

Hmmm... if no one wanted the Hummer... wonder why it sold so fast??? China seems to think it a valuable investment. Fools, it's not the end of the Hummer... just the domestic "American-made" Hummer.

I'm confused if the smaller cars are GM's new focus, why sell Saturn and Saab? Weren't they GM's smaller car models! Nobody wanted them either?

The hummer is a show truck. Ridiculous to own in my opinion, but that's some people's thing... just like hydraulics on a Monte Carlo, or pin-stripes on a pinto, it's a shell on a Silverado. Might not be me, but to each his own.

America is relatively big. Outside the major cities there's large expanses of road between towns... between farms and grain elevators... between our mom & pop shops and suppliers. Those of you in large cities are out of touch w/ the rest of the country. We depend on rugged vehicles that can get us through deep snow & hull goods, ...while doing so safely.

drive your hummer 24/7 and sleep well knowing your carbon footprint would still be about 1/100th of al gores.

I agree to a point with the living in the country aspect, but some of it is still pretty silly. I know lots of guys that live in small towns / country that own big trucks but never use them for anything close to what they were designed for. Tossing a rifle in the gun rack and driving up a gravel road to go hunting does not require a monster truck.

Also the trucks have gotten far bigger than actually needed. I live in the country and have a '96 F150 that I haul more stuff in the back of than most folks. It looks like a midget beside some of the new F150s. The trucks my dad and I plowed snow with were a lot smaller than the trucks today. Personally, I am not sure what heated seats, leather interiors and GPS systems have to do with a work truck anyway.

The commercials show manly men smashing their trucks over rocks and boulders. Most trucks I see on the road though never get more than dust on them. My point being, if you need a big truck, buy one. If you don't need one, you are wasting your money (and resources).

Mike, I live in northern New England, where we get lots of snow. I drive a Hyundai Elantra, and it serves me just fine. There are vehicles other than Hummers that serve the needs you all are speaking of just fine. And btw, does every person who owns a Hummer or even a big truck really need it for those reasons? Hm. Doubt it. I saw lots of Hummers when I lived in NEW YORK CITY. (And some hummers too.) Trucks and other FWD vehicles are important or necessary for far fewer people than the sales indicate. A great many people buy their vehicles just 'cause they're cool. And that's their choice, just as it's my choice to be disgusted at the absurdity and ostentation. (Look carefully. Nowhere in there did I tell anyone what they had a right to drive. Or even what to drive. You can infer that I disapprove of whatever, and you'd be right. But disapproving is not the same as telling someone else what to do. I'm also disgusted by the millions who claim to _need_ air-conditioning and cable TV.)

GM's sellin' HUMMERS?
They should all go to jail for prostitution!

"Most trucks I see on the road though never get more than dust on them."

Even that causes the owners to freak out.

Here in Houston, gigantic pickups are everywhere. They're also seem to be the cleanest most often washed cars on the road.

Hmmm... if no one wanted the Hummer... wonder why it sold so fast??? China seems to think it a valuable investment. Fools, it's not the end of the Hummer... just the domestic "American-made" Hummer.


#20 | Posted by BMECH

Obviously these insane little China men have gone over the edge. Don't they know Obama said people don't want big vehicles. They want little bubble cars that blow around in a hard wind, But they make you feel good.

The Obama Administration just placed an order for the first Hummer that comes off the assembly line in China.

""" I'm confused if the smaller cars are GM's new focus, why sell Saturn and Saab? Weren't they GM's smaller car models! Nobody wanted them either? """

Saturn was a good idea poorly executed, saab was a good company that was mismanaged once under the guidance of gm. In any case, they were not part of their core activities, which is usually what you bank on in difficult times.

And maybe hummer sold so fast because it was a fire sale.

Just because you see a truck w/ nothing in the back doesn't mean it isn't ever "properly" used. We can't all afford multiple vehicles so suit every need for every occasion. Those trucks w/ shotguns in the back (what a cliche') might use their beds for dead game.

I'm surely not going to hull 4'x8' sheets of dry wall in my Honda or on some mass transit system. I need a truck or van for that. Hose out the bed when I get home, and looks unused... good as new. I'm just saying we shouldn't be too quick to presume to know the life styles of others.

Commercials are just that... they're designed to sell you the "rugged" truck. You'll ruin the truck driving it over boulders like that. We're in the middle of a true pop-culture where we're told we need these things in order to fulfill the "missing" things in our lives. So manufactures exploit that... who's fault is it that they are trying to turn a profit in a competitive market and we can't say "no"?

You know, when I was younger it was cooler to be different than others... today, if you don't have a cell phone, an ipod, or the latest gadget (hummers included) you're likely to be grouped as "socially disadvantaged". Maybe I'm just older now & there's no difference other than my perspective.

Saab was a Saab story

"Saab was a Saab story"
Ugh... that's just awful.
...puns. :-D


If I buy a Chinese Hummer, will I want another one in a half-hour?

And will they be called, "Chummers"?

LMAO Kirk. Maybe Queen should reunite. And get Rob Halford as their lead singer. : )
#9 | Posted by pragmatist at 2009-06-02 11:09 AM

Holy shit what an incredibly good idea.

Geoff Tate would be another.

LMAO Kirk. Maybe Queen should reunite. And get Rob Halford as their lead singer. : )
#9 | Posted by pragmatist at 2009-06-02 11:09 AM

Holy shit what an incredibly good idea.

Geoff Tate would be another.

#33 | Posted by redlightrobot

They want Adam Lambert from American Idol.

If I buy a Chinese Hummer, will I want another one in a half-hour?
And will they be called, "Chummers"?
#32 | Posted by Corky at 2009-06-02 01:55 PM

FF.. we were waiting for a parking space behind one of those guys.. he's just needing his Chinese Hummer, and then he would be, as Palpatine is so fond of.."Complete!"

I detest nearly all cars to date. They are UGLY, INEFFICIENT and OFFENSIVE.

GM was murdered by popular demand long ago.. this corpse is still being agitated.

I was passing a VW lot yesterday on route to ride the fully electric Max light rail. Two well-dressed lot attendants were diligently affixing white balloons onto hopeful sales. Feeling slightly rambunctious I turned, smiled and asked "Hey, how many on your lot are electric?" They both stood up straight and the taller of the two responded weakly with "We don't believe in them." We all paused. They were serious. I honestly laughed in their faces and crossed the street to my Max.

What is it going to do to oil prices to have billions of Chinese driving around gas wasting hummers?

If the rumor regarding Chinese male anotomy is true, Hummers should sell well amongst Chinese men.

Hay, This is good news if you like the Hummer. I bet they will be cheaper and built better than if they were built by the UAW.

Oh, and by the way, which president is sending our industry overseas now bitch?

LMAO Kirk. Maybe Queen should reunite. And get Rob Halford as their lead singer. : )
#9 | Posted by pragmatist at 2009-06-02 11:09 AM

Holy shit what an incredibly good idea.
Geoff Tate would be another.
#33 | Posted by redlightrobot

They want Adam Lambert from American Idol.
#34 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue at 2009-06-02 02:12 PM

Oh, yes. He's got an awesome voice. And with the right production could blow our minds. He's one I might actually purchase other than William Hung.

The entire Idolatry I used to detest until I saw these latest tryouts - it was similar to watching 2girls1Cup reaction videos. I laughed until it hurt. Too good.

Prag, never said you were telling anyone what they could and could not drive. The statement you made that I disagree with is:

I don't think there's any reason for such vehicles to be on the road

I'll give it to you that folks in downtown NY City probably don't have much real use for a Hummer. However; living in Michigan I disagree with that because there are many reason's to have those kinds of vechicles. I'll also admit that I'm a little biased because because I also work for the company that produces the locking differentials that they use.


GM is now 55 cents a share. It hasn't been this low since the 1920's. BUY! BUY! BUY! BUY!

I did the same thing when Ford was at a dollar a share. I went deep and ended up with a very nice lump of fun money. Instead of buying another car or boat, I bought another 4 unit property with cash.

GM is almost certain to make out of this and you will NEVER see it this low again. BUY!!

Really? Reasons for a Hummer? Regular trucks, I see, but Hummers? So convince me. We can disagree--I'm good at it--but first I have to be sure what we're disagreeing about. ; )

Prag, never said you were telling anyone what they could and could not drive. The statement you made that I disagree with is:
I don't think there's any reason for such vehicles to be on the road
I'll give it to you that folks in downtown NY City probably don't have much real use for a Hummer. However; living in Michigan I disagree with that because there are many reason's to have those kinds of vechicles. I'll also admit that I'm a little biased because because I also work for the company that produces the locking differentials that they use.
#39 | Posted by mikemcdon321 at 2009-06-02 02:45 PM

The Hummer is so poorly designed you would be better off with a monster Pacer to impress the ladies. And what better way than pulling up in an oversized tackle box, every jagged corner filled to the brim with man power! The hummers all male ownership society are consistently military enthusiast and their wannabes. It's like how some people plaster their rear with bows of support for troops cancers and Jesus, these guys advertise their sexual proclivities and dysfunctions through poor purchasing power and fad engineering. But that industrial worker yellow sure makes it easy to find in the Abercrombie & Fitch parking.

What is it going to do to oil prices to have billions of Chinese driving around gas wasting hummers?
If the rumor regarding Chinese male anotomy is true, Hummers should sell well amongst Chinese men.
#36 | Posted by taxman at 2009-06-02 02:43 PM

And your answer:

GM is now 55 cents a share. It hasn't been this low since the 1920's. BUY! BUY! BUY! BUY!
I did the same thing when Ford was at a dollar a share. I went deep and ended up with a very nice lump of fun money. Instead of buying another car or boat, I bought another 4 unit property with cash.
GM is almost certain to make out of this and you will NEVER see it this low again. BUY!!
#40 | Posted by COMMONSENSE at 2009-06-02 02:56 PM

If the rumor regarding Chinese male anotomy is true, Hummers should sell well amongst Chinese men.

They'll have to put a city phone book in the seat and strap blocks of wood to their shoes.

Also the trucks have gotten far bigger than actually needed.

#22 | Posted by deadarmadillo

You can make the same arguement about houses. If they can afford them, what is it to you?

See, it's not enough to leave them be is it? You just had to go out of your way to push your opinion onto a couple of sales reps (granted sales reps are generally slime, but there are some decent ones out there) doing their job... humbly putting up some balloons. You should be proud. Better people offend people than inert cars offending you, huh? You're like the Jehovah Witness's of the green agenda. Common.

The Hummer is a fucking dumb vehicle.

We can't all afford multiple vehicles so suit every need for every occasion.

#29 | Posted by BMECH

That's not entirely true. Though it can be a little bit of a hassle.

I own three vehicles:

- '03 Subie AWD wagon - my main use vehicle

- An old warrior '89 Toyo 4WD stretch cab pick-em up for the trails and hauling stuff

- A '76 Toyo Chinook pocket RV, basically a mobile one-room hotel. A real sweetheart of a vehicle. You can see it here:

groups.yahoo.com

Yahoo login needed.

The two Toyos especially are minimal yearly cost.

All three are paid for.

should never had been made for widespread use. They embody everything that is wrong with the american car industry.
#3 | Posted by panchovilla

What is it going to do to oil prices to have billions of Chinese driving around gas wasting hummers?
#36 | Posted by taxman

unintended Obama-consequences - -

USA is 350 million pop;= 30,000 sold in '06

China is 4 billion - - if similar % sales could be 4 million per yr - - -

I'll cut back on mowing lawn to compensate,
AND . . no more weekend bbq for me

A car like the Hummer will be illegal in this country anyway.We will all be forced into micro cars by this Government,they will help a lot when gas is over $5 a gallon where Obama wants it.It may be all a mute point when in four years the next president repeals these irresponsible policies of this wanna-be,the sad part is many will be hard to undo.

Suckers

"A car like the Hummer will be illegal in this country anyway.We will all be forced into micro cars by this Government,they will help a lot when gas is over $5 a gallon where Obama wants it.It may be all a mute point when in four years the next president repeals these irresponsible policies of this wanna-be,the sad part is many will be hard to undo."

Assumptions rule.

1. Forced into micro cars? Maybe. Emissions standards anyway, of which I approve heartily.

2. Gas over $5 a gallon? Link? You'd be better served suggesting that NH Gov Lynch wants that. (Read the news.) Of course, I would suggest that we could have avoided even the $4+ per gallon we faced not so long ago if Detroit had embraced new technologies years ago--decades ago. All this shit about how expensive the hybrids and electrics are to make--yeah, 'cause you fuckers don't _want_ them to be affordable. Supply and demand and economies of scale--I thought capitalists understood these things.

3. Obama will be defeated in 2012. Jeez, man, a bit early to makin' that prediction.

Ya gota love rants like these.

Oh, and it's a _moot_ point, kinda like saying something is "academic," a pointless argument. Mute point would be one that is very very quiet. (Reminds me of a joke from Friends. Joey says "A moo point." Chandler, I think, says, "Don't you mean a moot point, Joe?" "No," says Joey, "It's a moo point--like a cow's opinion. It don't matter." What made it actually funny was the fact that he was holding a glass of milk in one hand as he delivered the lines.)

They had a Hummer division???
Don't ask, don't tell was a resounding success!

See, it's not enough to leave them be is it? You just had to go out of your way to push your opinion onto a couple of sales reps (granted sales reps are generally slime, but there are some decent ones out there) doing their job... humbly putting up some balloons. You should be proud. Better people offend people than inert cars offending you, huh? You're like the Jehovah Witness's of the green agenda. Common.
#46 | Posted by BMECH at 2009-06-02 04:01 PM

Imo, "ask a silly question, get a MORONIC answer" doesn't cut it. Those "slime" lied to my face - imagine what they get away with when 15k is on the line? But you are right - those balloons on cars are more offensive than the asshats affixing them. I'm just incapable of appreciating your "hydrocarbon agenda", obviously.

There is not one single fully electric vehicle on the entire 122nd Avenue car-sales strip. Honda, Toyota, Ford, VW, etc are all represented in my fair city. Out of those hundreds of "choices" - NO electric cars. Now THAT'S common, sweetie.

If you think the Hummer is a bummer, the Boss Hoss will probably totally freak you out.
Mind you, there are no emission controls on this beast.
The fact is, some people like the biggest and most ostentatious while others find pride in the smaller and more mediocre.
Some prefer a little house on the prairie while others aren't complete without a trac-mansion in the suburb.
The Hummer will fade away when people stop buying them, like the Oldsmobile and the Yugo before them.
To each, his own.
Just don't tread on my life, liberty or property while you do it and we're cool.

from above...

Granted, I don't think there's any reason for such vehicles to be on the road, and I don't see how it's a right. But you and I certainly disagree. Shockingly.


#7 | Posted by pragmatist


If you want to ride a bicycle or use public transportation, don't let me stop you. Just don't tell me what to drive.

#10 | Posted by Sniper at 2009-06-02 11:22 AM


With a name like Sniper, he's got to be tollerant...

(snickers)...I just love the whole Righty NRA, don't tell me where I can't use my AK47, drive my monster truck, hang my Rebel flag, bowhunt with Ted Nugent don't tred on me thing...it's like, so fricking Retro even...(LOL)

hey, but seriously...do what you want, but if it's gonna like tank the environment for you to be ultimately free, you oughta pay a tax for that privelege...having a Hummer is a luxury, not a right if it over pollutes the environment for everyone else....but don't worry, they will invent a hydrogen run Hummer or an all electric Hummer in a decade or two, so you can feel like a 'real man' again...

It is my understanding that a lot of cargo ships arriving from China full of cargo are going back nearly empty (or a least not full). If China continues to manufacture the hummer here, they will probably get a break on the cost of shipping vehicles/vehicle parts back to China. And, shipping can be expensive.

The question I have is wasn't the Hummer division of GM producing the militarized version of the Hummer? If so, will the Chinese get the military contract to produce Hummers?

The question I have is wasn't the Hummer division of GM producing the militarized version of the Hummer?

Hummer was producing our military Hummer prior to GM's acquisition of Hummer. The militarized version, the H1, never really took off because it was too extreme. The H2, which is a Chevy Suburban with Hummer clothes, was vastly successful - practical, solid roots, AND...butch beyond belief. The H3 is based on the Colorado platform and its 5-cylinder platform doesn't cut it...

Good for GM. ...Probably the smartest thing they've done since they overhauled the Ram pickup back in the mid-late 90's or whenever that was.

#5 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2009-06-02 10:54 AM | Reply

So it was GM that overhauled the Ram?

Did they tell Dodge, or was it supposed to be a surprise?

you oughta pay a tax for that privelege...having a Hummer is a luxury, not a right if it over pollutes the environment for everyone else...

#55 | Posted by earthmuse at 2009-06-03 07:41 AM | Reply

New vehicle emission standards are but a tiny thing compared to cars and trucks of the past. So the emissions of a Hummer are irrelevant.

And if Sniper drives a Hummer (I doubt he's that insecure) he already pays a tax for the privelege (sic). It's the per-gallon gasoline tax levied by his city, county, state and federal governments.

Hummer hell!

I want an International CXT!

mycxt.com

"I want an International CXT!"

With its 7-10 miles per gallon fuel efficiency, it's a ganga at only $93,000 to $115,000.

Vernon

you have earned an enviroMENTAL attaboy today!
Congrats man...

(so on our way to extinction)...

yeah, yeah, I know...you just don't care
(and it shows!)

"Hey, Obama has just nationalized nothing more and nothing less than General Motors. Comrade Obama! Fidel, careful or we are going to end up to his right," Chavez joked on a live television broadcast.

Too much! Got this from Reuters. The South American Marx Brother strikes again.

you oughta pay a tax for that privelege...having a Hummer is a luxury, not a right if it over pollutes the environment for everyone else...

#55 | Posted by earthmuse

Its interesting, here in Silicon Valley they a "relatively" popular vehicle. When I recieved my registration notice on my Tahoe, there is a charge for weight, so they are taxed more. And if thier gass mileage is low, they are taxed more per mile driven. If we spent tax money soley on the roads and bridges, I would be willing to pay more.

The people that drive Hummers have the highest ticketing rate of any vehicle.
usnews.rankingsandreviews.com



EARTHMUSE:

"With a name like Sniper, he's got to be tollerant...

(snickers)...I just love the whole Righty NRA, don't tell me where I can't use my AK47, drive my monster truck, hang my Rebel flag, bowhunt with Ted Nugent don't tred on me thing...it's like, so fricking Retro even...(LOL)

hey, but seriously...do what you want, but if it's gonna like tank the environment for you to be ultimately free, you oughta pay a tax for that privelege...having a Hummer is a luxury, not a right if it over pollutes the environment for everyone else....but don't worry, they will invent a hydrogen run Hummer or an all electric Hummer in a decade or two, so you can feel like a 'real man' again..."


Yes, thanks for showing us how to be tollerant Ms. EARTHMUSE.

"do what you want, but if it's gonna like tank the environment for you to be ultimately free, you oughta pay a tax for that privelege...having a Hummer is a luxury, not a right if it over pollutes the environment for everyone else"

Earth,

You really look at the world from your perspective, and not the earths. While perhaps after recieving delivery of your
Prius it may be environmentally friendlier. But when the D2D is considered, the Hummer is friendlier....

www.hybridcars.com

Which begs the question, why aren't you complaining about Prius owners?

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