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Tuesday, June 02, 2009

"Freedom means freedom for everyone," former Vice President Dick Cheney said in support of same-sex marriage. "I think people ought to be free to enter into any kind of union they wish, any kind of arrangement they wish." Cheney, who has a gay daughter, said that it should be decided on a state-by-state basis and not imposed federally.

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dickless has a daughter who is queer

everything that dickless does is self serving. do not look for any type of intellectual thought

His change of heart has been in the works ever since he saw the KSM interrogation video had to call his doctor about an erection lasting longer than 4 hours...

Though I don't think that makes you gay, per se... just extraordinarily disturbed...

Cheney got it right that it is up to the states to decide whether to accept homosexual marriage but the "freedom for everyone" comment was probably just to appease his daughter.

Cheney got it right that it is up to the states to decide whether to accept homosexual marriage but the "freedom for everyone" comment was probably just to appease his daughter.

Yeah, well she probably held a pair of scissors to his LVAD wire and made him say it...

Cheney wants that "freedom for everyone" to be granted on a state-by-state basis.

Posted by MaryTylerWhore at 08:08 PM | 6 COMMENTS | permalink

MaryTylerDipshit

Marriage is regulated at the state level, as it always has been, and as it should be. Just like abortion, car insurance and a thousand other things.

Why does the left have so much trouble reading and understanding the constitution?

Oh, never mind... trying to educate some of these people is like trying to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and it annoys the pig.

Cheney is in favor of anything that benefits him and his demonic offspring.

Nothing more, nothing less.

What a selfish prick.

Cheney is in favor of anything that benefits him and his demonic offspring.

Another perfect example of the left putting a rightwinger in a no win situation.

If he had said he was against gay marriage, he would be a typical rethuglitardian. He says he is for gay marriage, it is to benefit himself.

This "damned if you do, damned if you don't" mentality sucks.

Another perfect example of the left putting a rightwinger in a no win situation.

Excuse me, but I have absolutely nothing to do with whatever situation Cheney finds himself in.

Marriage is regulated at the state level, as it always has been, and as it should be.

#7 | Posted by vernon

Not really. There are federal decisions such as Loving that supersede and govern state marriage laws. There is also the issue of Constitutional full faith and credit.

PS: Good for you Dick. A glimmer of humanity!

PS: Good for you Dick. A glimmer of humanity!

Definitely a more positive sentiment than that in #9.

Excuse me, but I have absolutely nothing to do with whatever situation Cheney finds himself in.

???

OK . . . ? Fine with me.

" There is also the issue of Constitutional full faith and credit."

Never minding that the Commerce Clause has been so distorted and twisted to mean anything and everything .....

it is still there to assure that contracts entered into in one STATE are recognized in other STATES.

Yes, it's always possible to pick out an exception. So what? The overwhelming regulation of marriage related matters is at the state level, where it belongs.

it is still there to assure that contracts entered into in one STATE are recognized in other STATES.

#15 | Posted by vernon

And does that recognition from state to state not include marriages performed there?

#10 | Posted by goatman at 2009-06-02 08:01 AM

The problem is that he was so against even discussing it for so many years that this smells of a PR stunt to correct the negative press he has been getting since attacking Obama.

Cheney is writing a memoir about his years in government, which he said will highlight the successes of the policies set in place after the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.

A book or a pamphlet? Perhaps a leaflet? A flier if they don't get too wordy.

This "damned if you do, damned if you don't" mentality sucks.


Yes, he is such a humanitarian.

will highlight the successes of the policies set in place after the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.


How about his ignoring the threat of terrorism despite repeated warnings before 9/11?

I am sure he will gloss over that little inconvenient truth.

So his keeping his yap flapping is nothing more than promotion of his book?

Yes, he is such a humanitarian.

Sarcasm and point duly noted.

Nonetheless, the "damned if you do, damned if you don't" attitude still sucks.

I remember Edwards hammering Cheney on this point in the Vice-Presidential debate back in '04. (ie "How can you not support gay marriage, do you not love your daughter?")

And I remember wactching and thinking that Cheney probably supported gay marriage than but was keeping to the campaign agenda.

It would be hard to say that you felt a member of your family didn't deserve to marry the person they loved.

It would be hard to say that you felt a member of your family didn't deserve to marry the person they loved.

You could ask Alan Keyes about that...

This actually humanizes cheney for me... a bit.

I always thought that he was probably a decent father/grandfather and only a monstrous politician/businessman.

He sold out his country first, his daughter second, and, most recently, his party.

If he had said he was against gay marriage, he would be a typical rethuglitardian. He says he is for gay marriage, it is to benefit himself.

Do you think Cheney would be in favor of gay marriage if all his kids were straight?

Hagard's right. You may not have like what he did as a politician. However, I think he probably did it in good faith - as misguided as he might have been.

No reason to think he's not a bad father/grandfather. His kids seem functional, and he devoted a large part of his life to public service.

He's also dead on in his position on gay marriage. I don't think you'll find many GOPers that actually take a different position on this (except for the religious right)

Hey, lets all argue about stupid gay marriage!!!

Do you think Cheney would be in favor of gay marriage if all his kids were straight?

I don't think he'd be against it. I don't think he would actively campaign for it though.

Besides, what does his daughter have to do with it? It's not like he can change any laws that would benefit her.

Can anyone see the idiocy of a natural human right being legal in Iowa but not in Nebraska? Does anyone NOT think that the great VP debate was good (Al) vs. evil (Dick)? herm

Cheney is not in favor of SSM. He's in favor of people voting on it.

He thinks gay people should "get a shot at it". Nowhere does he say he thinks we should succeed.

Americans are just plain stupid to fall for such deceit.


That Gosh-Darned Reich-Winged Son of a...

HUH?

Be Well.

"Marriage is regulated at the state level, as it always has been, and as it should be. Just like abortion, car insurance and a thousand other things."

Vernon:

Civil rights are regulated at the Federal level, as it always has been, and as it should be. And the abortion, car insurance and the "thousand other things" you mention may be regulated at the state level, but their equal availability to all citizens of a state - and from state to state - is Federally guaranteed. You cannot offer insurance to white people and not Asian people for instance, because of the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

That legislation specified that racial and ethnic minorities were entitled to the same civil rights as anyone else, because the patchwork of state-by-state laws that had existed prior to that time did not guarantee any sort of equality. When President Obama was born to a mixed-race couple, their relationship was "legal" in some states, and "illegal" in others. The ramifications of that are mind-boggling to any thinking person - not that you should worry about my including you in that category.

A black husband or wife could make medical decisions for a white wife or husband in some states, but not in others. A mortgage was subject to standards based on a husband's race: in some states, a black husband could take out an affordable mortgage in a good neighborhood. In other states, no - and at that time, it was a rare wife of any race who had the financial clout to secure a mortgage on her own.

The change fostered by the Act was fought bitterly by people who sounded remarkably like you. "Tradition" was cited, so were "States' Rights." I personally heard discrimination preached from the pulpit, by a Presbyterian minister who cited Joshua 9:27 ("And Joshua made them that day hewers of wood and drawers of water for the congregation, and for the altar of the LORD, even unto this day, in the place which he should choose.")

There were plenty of good ole boys and gals who understood that passage to mean that certain people had certain rights, and that others were not entitled to them. They were just certain it gave them the right to kill people like Medgar Evers, that a black activist like him had gotten above a pre-ordained station in life and should be "taught a lesson" that would percolate down to other black people.

Notions and behavior like that are both repellent and illegal today, but as recently as the day JFK was struck down, they were codified in law, custom and social norms.

Get it through your head - the times, they are a-changing.

P.S., Vernon:

In case you're wondering, the Civil Rights Act is what makes marriage a Federally guaranteed right, although the states administer marriages within their borders. For forty-five years, no church, no justice of the peace, no minister has been allowed to say that he will not marry two persons of differing races.

And in forty-five years, it'll be the same way with same-sex couples. People will read about points of view like yours in history books and websites dealing with past weirdness, and they'll wonder what in hell all the fuss was about.

Remind me to tell you about the day my high school integrated sometime. Fierce reaction then, nobody cares now.

Change happens.

Cheney is in favor of anything that benefits him and his demonic offspring.

Another perfect example of the left putting a rightwinger in a no win situation.

If he had said he was against gay marriage, he would be a typical rethuglitardian. He says he is for gay marriage, it is to benefit himself.

This "damned if you do, damned if you don't" mentality sucks.

#10 | Posted by goatman at 2009-06-02 08:01 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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Goat, do you have your head in the sand, or some other dark orfice?

Here's where I take issue with this... W along with Cheney ran a campaign in '04 that used states adding things to their ballots like constitutional ammendments to ban same sex marriages and in some cases same sex civil unions.All brought to you by the local GOPers. In other words, they bought the votes of every gun totin', psudo christian, rebel flag a-flyin, brain dead, double-wide livin' in the pair-o-dice trailor park, fourwheel drive truck ownin... ok I think you got the picture...
cuz these fucks sure as hell weren't comming out for no general election.
And now this old dried up bastard can come out and say this in the open? Where the fuck was his opinion when he was campaigning and his daughter was pregnate?

If you dont have a problem with this then you are certianly aren't the non-partisan you claim to be...

If you dont have a problem with this then you are certianly aren't the non-partisan you claim to be

I never have a problem with people becoming more open minded. I'm sorry that you do.

I didn't realize that being non-partisian required that one be unacceptable of change -- especially change for the positive.

I never have a problem with people becoming more open minded. I'm sorry that you do.

I didn't realize that being non-partisian required that one be unacceptable of change -- especially change for the positive.

#36 | Posted by goatman at 2009-06-02 09:54 PM | Reply | Flag:

Goat, you're really to good at playing dumb. almost a natural...

You know better. you know exactly what I'm talking about.

You know better. you know exactly what I'm talking about.

Yes, I do know what you are talking about. And I think it's absurd. You said:

W along with Cheney ran a campaign in '04 that used states adding things to their ballots like constitutional ammendments to ban same sex marriages and in some cases same sex civil unions

Both parties used whatever states they could get their hands on regardless of their stance. Have you ever heard a politician say, "I don't want to carry this state because I don't like their laws or stance on _______".

But what do I know? I have my head up some dark orifice.

In other words, they bought the votes of every gun totin', psudo christian, rebel flag a-flyin, brain dead, double-wide livin' in the pair-o-dice trailor park, fourwheel drive truck ownin... ok I think you got the picture

Yes, I get the picture. You are a stereotyping fool who can't be believed

Have you ever lived in the south? If so, you know your statement is false. If not, how can you judge someplace you've never lived?

If you dont have a problem with this then you are certianly aren't the non-partisan you claim to be

And yes, I am non-partisian. If all the votes I've ever cast in my life were tallied, it would show I've voted for far more democrats than any other party. And I'm too ashamed to say that I am a democrat, so I'll stick with non-partisian.

BTW, you do realize that the root word of 'non-partisian' is 'party', right? Well, that is how I vote -- not on the party. I vote for the person.

"And yes, I am non-partisian. If all the votes I've ever cast in my life were tallied, it would show I've voted for far more democrats than any other party."
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#40 | Posted by goatman

Who cares? You're a rightwing shill on Drudge. The only thing that counts here is the content of your posts, not confessions about voting records.

Who cares?

Obviously you do. LOL

Americans are just plain stupid to fall for such deceit.

#31 | Posted by BobSF_94117

Short-term memory lost? They voted for an ambiguous politician who claimed to represent "change" on November 4, 2008.

Oh he's changed a few things that most people who voted for him expected him to change but more importantly a lot of the things that the folks who warned he intended to change only to be derided as foolish for claiming. Buying a pig-in-a-poke has it's price - in this case an astronomical cost.

Politicians lie because they know that when it's time for reelection all they have to do is deceitfully promise whatever the electorate's current flavor of concern is and defame anyone who points out their lies in the last election and since as unbalanced.

Goat is right and so is Cheney. Our Union is designed to let citizens do as they wish STATE BY STATE. If the people of Massachusetts desire to recognize same sex marriage then that is their prerogative and constitutional right. If the people of Montana desire to say no to same sex marriage then that is their prerogative and constitutional right. Liberal states are liberal and conservative states are conservative. This will create a balance for our Federal Government to operate within. We should not allow our Federal Government to make these decisions for the people they don't even know. This is what makes our country great.

This is my problem with the progressive movement as all it wants to do is force ideology, regardless of culture, upbringing, or populace thought. So where is this democratic empathy I've been hearing so much about?

Feelings...nothing more than feelings....

FEEELINGS! Whoa-oh feelings......

It is a good thing for him to say this, but I find it hard to feel good about it as this man is responsible for forming public opinion on torture. Apparently 50% of americans now believe torture can be justified.

www.time.com

Unless marriage is torture, Pancho, and Cheyney wants them to suffer.

I wonder who passed the gay gene to his daughter, Dick Cheney or Mrs. Cheney?

What did Nancy Pelosi know of this and when did she know it?

Have you ever lived in the south? If so, you know your statement is false. If not, how can you judge someplace you've never lived?

#39 | Posted by goatman at 2009-06-02 10:14 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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Yes, I live in the Deep South and my state (LA- South Louisiana that is) was one that used the Const. ammendment I spoke of.

Yes I did sterotype as you do with partisanship...

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