These guys are no different than the imams who chant "death to America". And like the imams, they cheer on the jihadists, but lack the guts to do the dirty work themselves.
Evanjihadists are just rightwing domestic terrorists.

A horrible monster, a mass murderer of innocents, has been dispatched to his reward. He makes Dr. Mengele look like a humanitarian healer by comparison. God works in mysterious ways His many wonders to perform.

Someone tell me how Bill O'Reilly spins himself out of this one tonight please.

How much do you want to bet they find Bill's books in this guy's house?

Another murderer incouraged to kill by Right Wing lunatics.

There is no Dog Johnson that's just your superstition talking. If, in fact, there was a Dog lightning would have struck Dick Cheney 17 times by now.

No matter how you feel about abortion, you should recognize that protests against doctors at their hospitals and homes are a form of political violence intended to stop Americans from engaging in a legal activity.

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Protesting is political violence? That's a miiiiiighty stretch, rcade.

God works in mysterious ways His many wonders to perform.

Your God is a Cocksucking Motherfucking Asshole by the way. You really pick strange imaginary friends.

MP,

All of Johnson's friends are imaginary. Basement dwelling will do that to a person.

Someone tell me how Bill O'Reilly spins himself out of this one tonight please.

You idiot. O'Reilly is laughing his ass off right now. This is HUGE for him and his ratings.

Your God is a Cocksucking Motherfucking Asshole by the way

you need some good ole religion.

LOL

Protesting is political violence? That's a miiiiiighty stretch, rcade.

#5 | Posted by Pirate at 2009-06-01 04:49 PM

Sounds to me like domestic terorism. The JD neeeds to after these so called shadow groups that advocates killing or harrassing abortion advocates.
finally they shold approach the talking heads that offer support for groups who advocate violence against dostors and clinics.

There's so much irony, it's amazing.

Groups That Pursued Tiller Share Blame for Murder

With the murder Sunday of George Tiller, a Wichita, Kansas, doctor who performed abortions, some anti-abortion groups that targeted Tiller's clinic, home and church for protest have moved swiftly to distance themselves from the killing.

Posted by rcade

I can't believe that you actually believe this!?

Do you have a legal basis for stating this, or, are you simply emoting?

Wow.

Talk about stereotyping, profiling, and painting with the broad brush.

I guess those things are okay for Liberals to do.

"Since 1993, there have been 14 attempted murders of abortion providers, 13 bombings of medical care locations, and now two doctors killed."

With the murder Sunday of George Tiller, a Wichita, Kansas, doctor who performed abortions, some anti-abortion groups that targeted Tiller's clinic, home and church for protest have moved swiftly to distance themselves from the killing.

Posted by rcade

I can't believe that you actually believe this!?

Do you have a legal basis for stating this, or, are you simply emoting?

#12 | Posted by BENDOR

Yeah, you're right Bend. They are all lining up in full support of the guy and the killing.

(BENDOR, proof that life isn't always the best choice.)

simple fact remains that a man who was operating within the law was murdered by a terrorist.

"God works in mysterious ways His many wonders to perform."

If god really existed, miserable scum like you wouldn't.

Johnson is a nazi.

And his god is nothing more than a nazi too.

You idiot. O'Reilly is laughing his ass off right now. This is HUGE for him and his ratings.

Posted by Eb

30% off........

Your God is a Cocksucking Motherfucking Asshole by the way. You really pick strange imaginary friends.

#6 | Posted by Manypaths

And even stranger is how those imaginary friends get you so worked up that you must describe them.

"Tiller's abortion services were legal in Kansas, as demonstrated by his March acquittal on 19 misdemeanor charges related to abortions."

That is a gaggle of charges for someone working completely within the law.

A gaggle to have been acquitted on. Ever hear of political harassment? Prosecutorial misconduct?

Reading Johnson is like listening to bin laden. Both America-haters who use God to justify crimes.

"Groups That Pursued Military Recruiters Share Blame for Murder"

"Military recruiter killed in Ark shooting"

"One Army recruiter was killed Monday and a second was wounded in a shooting at a recruiting office, and a suspect was arrested, police said."

"Police Lt. Terry Hastings said the recruiter was shot when a man in a black SUV opened fire on the office in west Little Rock at about 10:30 a.m."

You idiot. O'Reilly is laughing his ass off right now. This is HUGE for him and his ratings.

Posted by Eb

30% off........

#18 | Posted by Manypaths

And he who laughs last... It is not over till it's over.

Since O'Lielly has benefited from this death then he should pay accordingly. Just as a blogger might be liable for slander he shares the blame for riling up the HATE in the rethug anti-life (yes I said anti-life!) mobs making these folks BELIEVE THAT HE DESERVES DEATH. And he has made a profit off of stoking the Hate and Fear of these fundie right wing religious zealots.

He is much like those Taliban Imams when if comes to stoking the Hate and Fear of the ignorant.

Tiller's name first appeared on "The Factor" on Feb. 25, 2005. Since then, O'Reilly and his guest hosts have brought up the doctor on 28 more episodes, including as recently as April 27 of this year. Almost invariably, Tiller is described as "Tiller the Baby Killer."

I would say he deserves whatever he gets for the slander and lies and endangerment this mans life. AND He shares responsibility for his death.

#21 | Posted by KBM

Missed the 80 point front page headline, did you?

Since then, O'Reilly and his guest hosts have brought up the doctor on 28 more episodes, including as recently as April 27 of this year. Almost invariably, Tiller is described as "Tiller the Baby Killer."

Okay but then the left should hope that nothing happens to Limbaugh/Coulter/Hannity etc......

I would say he deserves whatever he gets for the slander and lies and endangerment this mans life. AND He shares responsibility for his death.

#22 | Posted by donnerboy

Not sure I cn go that far and of course Bill won't be charged with anything.

But I bet the Tiller family sues his ass off and wins.

I don't realy care what the outcome of the suit is I guess, but it will be great to see them drag Bill through the public process.

"Groups That Pursued Military Recruiters Share Blame for Murder"

#21 | Posted by KBM

Now the military is to blame?

Well that doesn't make any fucking sense. Who pursueded the Recruiters?

But I bet the Tiller family sues his ass off and wins.

Perhaps. I met Mrs Tiller once at a function where my wife and her were in the same organization.

Something tells me that they will not sue but I can't say that for sure.

But I bet the Tiller family sues his ass off and wins.

I don't realy care what the outcome of the suit is I guess, but it will be great to see them drag Bill through the public process.

#25 | Posted by Manypaths at 2009-06-01 05:50 PM

I agree that he he probably wont be accused of murder (though I still beleive he shares responsibility. But, I do hope that Tiller's family sues his ass off. I am sure Bill will be in full CYA mode tonite.

Some more from the excellent Salon article:

This is where O'Reilly's campaign against George Tiller becomes dangerous. While he never advocated anything violent or illegal, the Fox bully repeatedly portrayed the doctor as a murderer on the loose, allowed to do whatever he wanted by corrupt and decadent authorities. "Also, it looks like Dr. Tiller, who some call Tiller the Baby Killer, is spending a large amount of money in order to get Mr. Morrison elected. That opens up all kinds of questions," said O'Reilly on Nov. 6, 2006, in one of many suggestions that Tiller was improperly influencing the election.

Protesting is political violence? That's a miiiiiighty stretch, rcade.

When an anti-abortion group staged protests at the home of "Tiller the Killer," what do you think the purpose was?

These groups incite violence to achieve a political end -- the absence of late-term abortion services in this country. And it's working.

Where does it end? I hate what Giroux is doing. Should I organize a bunch of pro-choice liberals to stand outside her home and make her fear violence the way Tiller must have feared it?

When an anti-abortion group staged protests at the home of "Tiller the Killer," what do you think the purpose was?

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Are the protests legal?

Do you have a legal basis for stating this, or, are you simply emoting?

They yanked ChargeTiller.Com offline after the killing and have taken other steps to distance themselves from their own rhetoric.

Here is the cached version of the pulled website:

Are the protests legal?

Depends on the jurisdiction. But there are any number of ways a group could intimidate their political opponents while staying within the boundaries of the law. That wouldn't make it right for them to do so.

RCADE, is it possible to compile all of ChargeTiller.com's cached website pages and promote them elsewhere before Google dumps them?

Depends on the jurisdiction. But there are any number of ways a group could intimidate their political opponents while staying within the boundaries of the law. That wouldn't make it right for them to do so.

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Morality and the law doesn't always mix.

Seeing any parallels?

"Unless drastic changes are made, American women will lose the right to abortion and the [U.S.] Supreme Court won't be the cause of it ... the reason will be that physicians either can't or won't perform this essential service." Barbara Radford, former director, National Abortion Federation

Threaten them to death!!!!!!

So Many--what is so agregious about the link ChargeTiller?

They allege he is doing illegal abortions and want him brought up on charges. They provide a personal story from a woman who was at Tiller's clinic.

Oh! And the worse part is that they asked folks for money!

They don't call for the man to be killed/murdered.

This group and many of the others that are pro-life want this issue decided in the courts. They don't want this guy killed.

And people who protest--at clinics have very special rules they have to follow or get arrested.

Ask Herm--he sees them out there all the time. So many feet away, can't block, can't touch, and keep the praying down too.

So Many--what is so agregious about the link ChargeTiller?

Why don't you ask that bitch Jenn Giroux why she took her site down.

Comment from ChargTiller? (And people wonder why one of these wackos went and did this?)

Rebecca Lawton
Mon February 23, 2009, 11:58:21
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This murderer should be stoned in the street. I pray that justice will prevail and he finds himself in lockdown forever, until he goes on to meet Satan in hell. he will spend eternity in hell being aborted over and over again.

Another comment calling for the death of Tiller:

John Sundelin
Mon April 02, 2007, 13:08:52
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Dont let people walk the street that are capable of this stuff

Yeah--Many--there are some loons on both sides of the edge--right and left.

She hates him--no doubt about it.

Your link wants to go thru my email?

It's her email address. Feel free to thank the bitch for helping to cause the murder of a guy while he attended church for Christ's fucking sake.

I wonder how happy that bitch is today.

Yeah--Many--there are some loons on both sides of the edge--right and left

Name the last anti-abortionist that was killed in front of his family while at church then.

Or in his/her office.

Sorry, the Pro-Life crowd has a wealth of the loons and they kill people.

"Your link wants to go thru my email?

#41 | Posted by MURPHY at 2009-06-01 06:46 PM"

So Many--what is so agregious about the link ChargeTiller? ... They don't call for the man to be killed/murdered.

When you organize a protest against a specific abortion doctor, you know going in that doctors have been murdered, clinics have been bombed, and staff have been attacked or killed. You can't say later, if the doctor is killed by one of the nuts you helped point his way, that you had no idea something like this would happen.

There's a direct connection between the site and Tiller's murderer. This isn't some random coincidence. The point of protesting at the homes, workplaces, and even churches of these doctors is to intimidate them until they quit. The protesters either willfully ignore the chance of violence happening or want it to happen.

[Montecore's] link wants to go thru my email?

#41 | Posted by MURPHY at 2009-06-01 06:46 PM"

Somehow that just doesn't sound right. lol

RCADE, is it possible to compile all of ChargeTiller.com's cached website pages and promote them elsewhere before Google dumps them?

Most of them are here:

http://web.archive.org

There was some new stuff on the homepage that I quoted in my article.

#46 | Posted by CalifChris

Now you are making me laugh--lol

Tiller was indeed a killer as is any doctor who terminates a pregnancy of 6 months or more for no other reason than the woman just didn't want the baby.

That's not what he did. Kansas did not permit late-term abortions for elective reasons. After fetal viability, an abortion only could be performed if the woman faced "substantial and irreversible" harm to her health.

60,000 late term abortions since when?

They included Depression as "substantial and irreversible" harm to her health.

They included Depression as "substantial and irreversible" harm to her health.

Do you really think that was the primary purpose of his late-term abortions, to let people use "depression" as an excuse for elective abortion in the third trimester?

Most of the stories I've read of patients who went to Tiller, many of whom had to come from other states, were like this one:

The fundies cheering here, how would you feel if your child was murdered by an anti xtian group? Would you be mad if others laughed and cheered?

They included Depression as "substantial and irreversible" harm to her health.

#51 | Posted by MURPHY

What about it? Depression is a substantial harm and can cause irreversible harm to one's health.

#52 | Posted by rcade

Rcade--

I am pro-choice. Yes--birth control for all women and it should be covered by all insurance.

RU40 for rape and incest victims.

Abortions for those whose life/health is in peril.

I am not one to say any of this is easy. There are no easy decisions.

Perhaps we need to hear from 40,000 women who had late term abortions.

Because for every one with the malformed/dead fetus there are those who did this over depression.

The point of protesting at the homes, workplaces, and even churches of these doctors is to intimidate them until they quit. The protesters either willfully ignore the chance of violence happening or want it to happen.

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Sounds like some Bush protesters.

And that is not how the Kansas law is worded--

"Under Kansas law, the records have to show evidence that the women would suffer death or "substantial and irreversible impairment of a major bodily function" if an abortion were not performed."

Tell us how "depression" fits into this definition?

Tiller went about to change the law and paid a lot of people.

Tiller went about to change the law and paid a lot of people.

And this is a bad thing how, exactly? He lobbied Kansas government, ran a PAC and made donations. So did the pro-lifers.

"Since 1993, there have been 14 attempted murders of abortion providers, 13 bombings of medical care locations, and now two doctors killed."
* * * *

You'll excuse me if two "doctors" killed in 16 years is much to get excited about. If the pro-life people really had a movement going to target and kill abortion providers, they're not doing much of a job. There are something like a half dozen "clinics" right here in my city, right in the middle of the Bible Belt.

Makes for good copy, though. And the libtard so-called pro-choice groups should see a big bump in donations, which is more important anyhow.

"Tell us how "depression" fits into this definition?"

Well sometimes depressed people commit suicide, Murphy. That's kinda irreversible.

Rcade, I read your link. And as soon as I got to this part, I stopped reading:

"Then they talked to their OB - and found out it was not going to happen in Texas. By the laws of the State of Texas - and by extension the Southern Baptist Convention, late-term abortions are impossible to be done here."

"And the libtard so-called pro-choice groups should see a big bump in donations, which is more important anyhow."

Excellent. Every dollar helps in keeping you bible-thumping rtards from sticking your nose where it don't belong.

noses where they don't belong.

"should see a big bump in donations, which is more important anyhow."

That's called projection. Just because you're a cynical money grubber doesn't mean everyone else is.

A horrible monster, a mass murderer of innocents, has been dispatched to his reward. He makes Dr. Mengele look like a humanitarian healer by comparison. God works in mysterious ways His many wonders to perform.

~Tiny "rightwing whackjob" Johnson

It seems as though what is happening in Kansas could be compared to the 'lawlessness' which is spoken of in the Bible," it said. "Tiller is the concentration camp 'Mengele' of our day and needs to be stopped before he and those who protect him bring judgment upon our nation.

~Scott "rightwing terrorist" Roeder

They say that "great minds think alike and fools seldom differ".

Spud puts Scott and Tiny firmly in the "Fools" category.

On Topic?

Groups who pursued Tiller share the blame?

Well, they may not be legally culpable but they certainly are morally culpable.

Be Well.

You'll excuse me if two "doctors" killed in 16 years is much to get excited about.

How many abortion doctors need to be murdered for you to consider it a concern?

How many abortion doctors need to be murdered for you to consider it a concern?

I think we should be concerned about all murders, ot just abortion doctors'.

"How many abortion doctors need to be murdered for you to consider it a concern?"

rcade:

You have only yourself to blame if RIR responds as if this was a light-bulb joke.

I think we should be concerned about all murders, ot just abortion doctors'.

#67 | Posted by goatman

Thank you, Miss Manners.

from the biased article:
"No matter how you feel about abortion, you should recognize that protests against doctors at their hospitals and homes are a form of political violence intended to stop Americans from engaging in a legal activity. "

Wow, what a stiffle on free speech. Read what they wrote again; they are NOT advocating violence.

All kinds of nasty sheet goes on in this world, and even some not nasty stuff that some people think is nasty. We ALL can and should speak out against whatever your convictions are.

Here's a quote from the group's website:
"Below is the the public statement released on May 31, 2009:

"Women Influencing the Nation condemns all form of murder. The murder of George Tiller is in direct contradiction with the beliefs and morals embraced by those of us who believe that every life is precious in the eyes of God and no individual has the right to take the life of another. We encourage everyone to pray for the repose of Dr. Tiller's soul."

Jenn Giroux
Executive Director
Women Influencing the Nation"

Well, they may not be legally culpable but they certainly are morally culpable.

Be Well.

#65 | Posted by dethspud

And don't forget to blame ALL MUSLIMS for that one muslim who killed the recruiter today in Arkansas.

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Rcade there are only 3 doctors in the country that do this procedure.

Kansas had a specific law against it.

He had been doing this procedure for 35 years.

He was breaking the law and got his boy into the AG office who did a shitty job to get him off.

What I would have liked to see is him being told by the law to stop--close up his mill and move away.

They would have brought him up on charges again and that jury may have gone the other way.

Thank you, Miss Manners.

You're welcome, Miss Troll.

murphy, you need to learn the english language. He was found not guilty of breaking the law. You sitting there saying he was breaking the law shows you to be stupid

Yeah, you're right Bend. They are all lining up in full support of the guy and the killing.

(BENDOR, proof that life isn't always the best choice.)

#14 | Posted by Manypaths

Now even I have to admit that was a great retort.

Yes George--and it was a matter of time to bring him up on more charges.

And it doesn't hurt to buy the prosecutors.

that fucker deserved to die and could give a shit less that he is dead... however, I do not agree with the way it was done, cant get anywhere with the vigilante mentality...

that fucker deserved to die and could give a shit less that he is dead...

That kind of sentiment is what inspired Roeder to kill him.

He was breaking the law ...

What part of acquittal aren't you getting? He was indicted and put on trial and he was acquitted. Tiller's practice was legal. He was never convicted of performing abortions illegally.

Wow, what a stiffle on free speech. Read what they wrote again; they are NOT advocating violence.

I disagree with you, Kirk. I think I'll gather up some people who agree with me and stand on the public street outside your house. We'll start a web site and put your address and phone number on it, and make a bunch of inflammatory charges about your wrongdoing. Every time somebody looks at you weird, you'll have to ask yourself if it's somebody we've agitated against you. Forever.

It's just free speech, right?

And don't forget to blame ALL MUSLIMS for that one muslim who killed the recruiter today in Arkansas.

Because ALL MUSLIMS specifically targetted that recruiting center and those two recruiters for years?

Cos they encouraged a previous bombing of that recruitment center?

Cos they had contributed to those guys being shot at before?

Started Web Sites demonising those guys at that center?

O R'ly?

Be Well.

You idiot. O'Reilly is laughing his ass off right now. This is HUGE for him and his ratings.

Your God is a Cocksucking Motherfucking Asshole by the way

you need some good ole religion.

LOL

#8 | Posted by eberly at 2009

you sir, have a real problem..I think we can all see that....

so ACCORDING TO RCADE's article if I say anything else bad about you and something happens to you it will be my fault.

sorry rcade ole bud..but I call bullshit here.....

all of you might want to google human gestation and look at what a 21 month old baby looks like....

and then remember that in order to abort them this monster had to KILL THEM...........

and if you want to think that I think his murder was justified by me saying that then thats your problem because whoever does think that..you are blinded by your liberal bullshit.

"all of you might want to google human gestation and look at what a 21 month old baby looks like.."

And you might want to re-take Biology 101 and look at how long a fetus is carried.

here is a pic of a 17 week old innocent life in the womb and remember this monster would kill them much later than this..

tell me this is just a gob of plasm

I know its 40 weeks...I may have been born in the country but the road wasnt THAT far away

but again...dont even try and tell me this pic at 17 weeks is just a gob of plasm that can be just disarded or LEFT ON A TABLE TO DIE LIKE OBAMA SUPPPORTS.

google human gestation and look at what a 21 month old baby looks like.

~Babbler

And you might want to re-take Biology 101 and look at how long a fetus is carried.

~MTW

Spud thinks that Babbler has once again confused human gestation periods with that of elephants.

Babbler's a big ole fan of Grand Ole Pachyderms and thus easily confused.

Be Well.

I was/am a Ron Paul supporter. But I never liked his abortion views much...

"I know its 40 weeks...I may have been born in the country but the road wasnt THAT far away"

So tell me, Toots - why did you give a "21 month old baby" as your example?

Giggle.

I know its 40 weeks...I may have been born in the country but the road wasnt THAT far away

AFLAC

By the 40th week the baby is born and not longer important to the right.

The veto of SCHIPS by Bush and the GOP - health insurance fully funded by a cigarette tax - was very telling.

because the 17 week one is all I need ...just push that forward to 21 or whenever it was that the baby killer would yank the life out and snuff it out however he could and then what did he do with them

AND If any of you think I am saying its okay that he was shot and killed then you havent bothered or havent read my other comments..

the man who murdered the murderer is just as bad..

bring him to texas too...we will rehabilitate him

By the 40th week the baby is born and not longer important to the right.

The veto of SCHIPS by Bush and the GOP - health insurance fully funded by a cigarette tax - was very telling.

#86 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at

talking points straight out of cnn or msnbc,..

you can try and pidgeon hole the right with fiscal conservativsm all you want and then rail against them when they dont too...

and there is NEVER a fully taxed program from the government..you should know that

BUT HEY AU

almost through with sinatra bio

holy crap....I had no idea he was such a badass..or atleast he was when 'guido' was there to help him beat the shit out of people.

By the 40th week the baby is born and not longer important to the right.

The veto of SCHIPS by Bush and the GOP - health insurance fully funded by a cigarette tax - was very telling.

#86 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at

talking points straight out of cnn or msnbc,..

AFLAC

Perhaps. But, TRUE talking points.

The veto of SCHIPS by Bush and the GOP - health insurance fully funded by a cigarette tax - was very telling.

#86 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2009-06-01 09:25 PM | Reply | Flag:

It was a bullshit tax upon a certain segment of the population. It was a penalization of smokers so they got to foot the bill for nonsmokers which is bullshit of the highest order. If childrens health is so important why not tax the whole and not just a certain part of that whole??

Larry

And ya, Sinatra was a thug.

Were you aware Sinatra slways refused to do a 2nd take?

When asked to do a 2nd take, he'd replied, "No fuckin' way. Me and da boys are goin' for a steam!"

If childrens health is so important why not tax the whole and not just a certain part of that whole??

If children's health was important to the right they certainly wouldn't have refused to pass SCHIPS under any circumstances.

You a smoker or something? If they're unaffordable for someone I suggest they quit.

I read that

his mafia connection was much more than I had read about too..

more later

gotta go..

and DONT EVEN tell me that you worked with him....

you rat...LOL

So now terminating a fetus is okay because health care is considered inadequate. From the mind of American Unity, one election somehow justifies the other.

and DONT EVEN tell me that you worked with him....

you rat...LOL

#94 | Posted by afkabl2

Nope. Only time I ever saw him in person was when I was in town conducting for one of his fellow Strip showroom entertainers and saw he and his gang come barreling through the casino floor drunk on their asses and surly as a hungry pit bulls.

He didnt' have a good reputation in how he treated people.

#48 | Posted by CalifChris at 2009-06-01 07:06 PM

BUT neither Tiller, nor anyone else charged with crimes, does not deserve to be murdered. We can't go around taking the law into our own hands.

Hammarubi's Law was an attempt to limit the actions of the aggrieved party. Werfgeld among Teutonic tribes was intended to compensate the aggrieved party. Here the innocent continued to be killed and the law seemed impotent.

Tiller had something like 50 charges against him and justice can most times be frustratingly slow -- but you have to let the law run its course.

#97 | Posted by Johnson

Could have saved everyone, including yourself time and effort by using just 3 little words...

I support vigilantism.

"Hammarubi's Law was an attempt to limit the actions of the aggrieved party. Werfgeld among Teutonic tribes was intended to compensate the aggrieved party."

murder?

no more masturbating for u!

You a smoker or something? If they're unaffordable for someone I suggest they quit.

#93 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

I have a better idea. Let's tax whatever your particular vice is instead.

I'm a moderate smoker. I can afford them and am in great health. If I didn't want to pay $4 a pack I wouldn't. Don't mind that 7 million kids have health insurance either.

Thank you.

Tests revealed their child had abnormalities so severe he'd need open heart surgery every three years at a cost exceeding $3 million dollars. And would still only have a 10% chance of living to age 21.

This is the kind of reason that people went to Tiller. They wanted their child and would have gladly brought it to term, but severe abnormalities caused them to decide to terminate the pregnancy.

Posted by rcade

says it all....

I don't agree with this as a blanket statement. Speaking out against his actions, no matter how vile, does not equal murder. Billy O came really close to crossing the line and may have actually crossed it, but the only people responsible for the murder of Tillman is the asshole who did it and those whom he may have told about his plans who either encouraged him or did not dissuade him.

I think I'll gather up some people who agree with me and stand on the public street outside your house. We'll start a web site and put your address and phone number on it, and make a bunch of inflammatory charges about your wrongdoing. Every time somebody looks at you weird, you'll have to ask yourself if it's somebody we've agitated against you. Forever.

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You channeling Cindy Sheehan?

cigarette smoke gives me a headache...I avoid smokers exhaling whenever possible...

cigarette smoke gives me a headache...I avoid smokers exhaling whenever possible...

#105 | Posted by Bani

Gee what a coincidence nonsmokers give me a headache

go get an abortion then:>)

killer has a record of terrorist views, is member of terror group, lives down the roar from this clinic.

you EXPECT me to believe that the Kansas State police and/or local Police (Witchita/Kansas City/Merriam) authorities --perhaps FBI? -- did NOT know where Scott Rodder was headed Sunday morning? That he entered the area, shot and killed, unbeknownst?

YAAAA RIIIIIIIIGHT! They are ALL GUILTY AS SIN.

we are at war, we have been for decades -- from race war via drug war... it's all FASCIST PROHIBITIONISM. the faux theocratics is just cover.

these people won't recognize, by any human sense, Beelzebub when he shits in their mouth.

Bullshit. Just like Al Gore and his limpwristed bunch of loonie lefties aren't responsible for the Uni-bomber or those morons that torched SUV's, the religiously righties are not responsible for this idiot.

YOU are responsible for YOUR actions. HE was responsible for HIS actions. The baby-killer was responsible for HIS OWN actions. The sooner people wake up and take personal responsibility for themselves, the sooner we can get this country headed in the right direction.

cigarette smoke gives me a headache

The smoker you drink, the player you get

"With the murder Sunday of George Tiller, a Wichita, Kansas, doctor who performed abortions, some anti-abortion groups that targeted Tiller's clinic, home and church for protest have moved swiftly to distance themselves from the killing."

my dad's childhood buddy Bob Dole was known for vilifying an abortion doctor in his first run for office in Kansas

my dad's childhood buddy Bob Dole was known for vilifying an abortion doctor in his first run for office in Kansas

Well, since abortion wasn't legal in Kansas then, maybe ol' Bob had a reason to vilify him.

record = conviction;
roar should be road;
Rodder should be Roeder, Scott Roeder of Merriam, Kansas.

i see, 1JERKOFF thinks we need no, laws and no police... that as soon as we all become "responsible," as jackoff defines it, we'll have white christmases, peace on earth and no crime... at least no MURDERERS.

CLUELESS ASSHAT. is that mayonnaise on you chin or are you just happy to see me?

Will someone please explain why the intro of this thread says (truthfully) these pro-life groups renounce killings like Tiller's but the headline is they share the blame? A little editorial balance would be appreciated.

Will someone please explain why the intro of this thread says (truthfully) these pro-life groups renounce killings like Tiller's but the headline is they share the blame?

#115 | Posted by Diablo

rcade still harbors his boyhood dream that a supermarket tabloid will someday hire him as editor in chief

I am, as a Democrat and Pro-life person, really pissed off when some people try to paint me as one who encourages murder of anyone. It's like equating Quakers with the Weathermen and SDS just because they opposed a war.

What we obviously need now is a few women to volunteer to die because they couldn't get late term medical abortions. It's really not much to ask, and it might rebut some of that "baby killing" bullshit going around. I seriously suggest that Murphy, Nancy, Lisa and the other anti-women women volunteer. herm

"rcade still harbors his boyhood dream that a supermarket tabloid will someday hire him as editor in chief"

And if he ever achieves it, I have a good hot hunch he won't be asking you to write for him.

I wonder what sick forced perverted and warped your mind Herm. But one thing is sure, you are truly demented in the head.

With all the research you have 'personally' done on Tiller the Baby Killer, I am surprised you totally misrepresent everything Tiller said he stood for.

Tiller took pride in performing late term abortions because of 'emotional distress' that the mother might feel by having the baby, and gleefully butchered the infants despite there being no physical need to do so.

He did this up to and including the final day before she was due.

You should read Tiller's own words Herm, because you have no idea what he said he stood for.

Tiller the baby killer brought 1000's of frightened and distressed 10-14 year old girls into his office to feed his need to kill.

It's a shame you only have empathy for the baby killer and none for his 60,000 unborn victims.

I am, as a Democrat and Pro-life person, really pissed off when some people try to paint me as one who encourages murder of anyone. It's like equating Quakers with the Weathermen and SDS just because they opposed a war.

Do you protest outside the homes and offices of abortion doctors? Do you target specific abortion doctors for your anti-abortion activism? If the answer to these questions is no, then this isn't about you, because you're not engaging in political violence.

Tiller the baby killer brought 1000's of frightened and distressed 10-14 year old girls into his office to feed his need to kill.

Whereas rex the sanctimonious jackass would love to see 1000's of unwilling 10-14 year old girls popping out babies and suffering lifelong trauma as a result of the experience.

Who are you to speak of compassion, rex? The concept is lost upon you.

(cont)

His accomplices know they have blood on their hands, which might explain why they were quick to issue statements today expressing disapproval of Tiller's murder.

Among them, the anti-abortion group Operation Rescue.

"Operation Rescue denounces the killing of abortionist Tiller," read the headline of a new release posted on that group's website.

Those words drip with hypocrisy.

After all, it was Operation Rescue that coined the nickname "Tiller the Killer." It was Operation Rescue that was most responsible for ratcheting up the heated rhetoric toward Tiller over the past two decades.

The group issued the following statement today:

"We are shocked at this morning's disturbing news that Mr. Tiller was gunned down. Operation Rescue has worked for years through peaceful, legal means, and through the proper channels to see him brought to justice. We denounce vigilantism and the cowardly act that took place this morning. We pray for Mr. Tiller's family that they will find comfort and healing that can only be found in Jesus Christ."

Shocked? Are any of us really shocked that it would come to this after the many years of demonizing one man?

Certainly the group's founder, Randall Terry, didn't seem shocked when he issued a statement that, I would suggest, provides a truer sense of how the anti-abortion movement saw today's events:

"George Tiller was a mass-murderer. We grieve for him that he did not have time to properly prepare his soul to face God. I am more concerned that the Obama Administration will use Tiller's killing to intimidate pro-lifers into surrendering our most effective rhetoric and actions. Abortion is still murder. And we still must call abortion by its proper name; murder.

Those men and women who slaughter the unborn are murderers according to the Law of God. We must continue to expose them in our communities and peacefully protest them at their offices and homes, and yes, even their churches."

I'd suggest that if anyone is in need of salvation right now it's the anti-abortion movement in Kansas and across the nation.

As Terry's statement makes clear, the same bullet that killed George Tiller also shattered the moral underpinnings of the movement that inspired its firing.

for his 60,000 unborn victims.

Didn't realize Tiller had a time machine and a "kill john connor" mission. Thanks.

NONE of the abortions carried out by this doctor were elective. This doctor was a great savior to women who were in danger of dying, and needed an abortion to save their lives. Every single one of those abortions represents a woman who lived. 60,000 women are alive because this doctor saved their lives.

Buffalo... I think you have been buffaloed.

First, it is almost NEVER medically necessary for a late-term abortion. In most cases, the damage done by the process is more traumatic than the birth would be.

Second, I have seen links on this or another site (don't remember where, didn't bother to look for them) that some of the women he "treated" died from the process.

[that said, his ass should be in a cell, awaiting a date in hell... not killed by some asshole]

No one has the right to take the life of another including Tiller. However, Tiller made a living out of aborting healthy babies most of whom could have been carried to term by their mothers.

Buffalo Bob you are just wrong to assert that every one of his 60,000 abortions were medically necessary. Of course you already knew that.

I also still say that for those of you who say this death is the result of right wing commentators bringing this doctors exploits to the attention of everyone should look in the mirror everytime you bash Bush, Cheney, Coulture, Limbaugh, etc.

I disagree with you, Kirk. I think I'll gather up some people who agree with me and stand on the public street outside your house. We'll start a web site and put your address and phone number on it, and make a bunch of inflammatory charges about your wrongdoing. Every time somebody looks at you weird, you'll have to ask yourself if it's somebody we've agitated against you. Forever.

It's just free speech, right?

#77 | Posted by rcade at 2009-06-01 08:50 PM | Reply |

YES, that IS free speech.

Do you REALLY think that "inflammatory" was necessary? What Tiller did needed NO inflammatory rhetoric.

The above you described isn't quite as uncommon as you think.

Look up my friend Donny Pauling who left being a porn-producer. Ewwwww, people be HATIN'!

By the 40th week the baby is born and not longer important to the right.
The veto of SCHIPS by Bush and the GOP - health insurance fully funded by a cigarette tax - was very telling.
#86 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2009-06-01 09:25 PM | Reply |

Who do you know who adopts kids?
Who do you know who runs homeless shelters and soup-kitchens?
Who do you know who runs half-way houses for guys and girls getting out of prison?
Who do you know who tries to help people in prison?
Who do you know who helps junkies get off drugs in free residential settings?
The ones that I know, are all Christians, "conservative" by your standards.

Do you think government-run health care will actually IMPROVE medicine? If not, then it will HURT children much more than your average adult.

That's why I oppose SCHIP.
Not because I'm an asshole, but because it will actually NOT IMPROVE kids' care.

Look up my friend Donny Pauling who left being a porn-producer.

Did your friend Donny Pauling renounce porn after years of living under threat of violence? Did somebody shoot both his arms? Bomb his office? I'm not seeing that in his story:

"Do you protest outside the homes and offices of abortion doctors? Do you target specific abortion doctors for your anti-abortion activism? If the answer to these questions is no, then this isn't about you, because you're not engaging in political violence."

Rcade, read the lead paragraph for this link above and then look at the title of the link. That's what I am talking about. The title says I am responsible with no qualification. B.S. And it would be B.S. even if I protested a clinic or prayed a rosary outside it.

The summary is about "anti-abortion groups that targeted Tiller's clinic, home and church," Diablo. I don't see what your beef is here.

So what does "targeted" mean except to use a word suggesting all these people are aiming guns? Are you so out there that you think saying a rosary outside a clinic is somehow sinister? I've done it and assure you no one else there was advocating shooting anyone. I marched against the Viet Nam War, too, and in no way feel responsible for Mark Rudd and Bernadine Dorn, two left wing kooks.
You are inflaming emotions while renouncing people who inflame emotions. You know it, too, so stop posturing.

So what does "targeted" mean except to use a word suggesting all these people are aiming guns?

Target, verb, to go after

"I don't think he was murdered. I believe he was absolutely stopped in his tracks and it was long overdue." -- anti-abortion activist Regina Dinwiddie in today's Washington Post

DCStressfree: Marvelous writing, Says what I've been trying to teach the rigid right's robots, but better and more authoritatively. I do hope you will post again. herm

I think it interesting that the Tighties were all over our new Homeland Security chief just for mentioning domestic terrorism "such as against abortionists", and now she appears to have been completely correct about what is the more likely threat.

drug dealers are killed everyday but their seems to be an unendin supply of them-i don't think one dead abortionist will stop abortion-abortion is a form of legal genocide(check out which demograpic groups have the highest potion of abortions)
jasman

Well, I believe weak-minded people are influenced to some degree by what some say Kinda like Obama voters, So I agree that people who were after Tiller did influence his murder, Just as I believe the people who constantly criticize our military or the last administration, calling them Murderers, rapist, war criminals and all those cool leftie terms are just as responsible for the death at the recruting sation in Arkansas..

the RACIST FUCKIN LIAR In the white house has shown his true colors

he and his boy holder send in officials to protect abortion clinics ..AND THATS OKAY WITH ME I WOULD TOO...

but where are the guards for the military recruiters..they are also under assault arent they

but you wouldnt know it because the lying racists HASNT SAID ONE FUCKIN WORD ABOUT IT

Did your friend Donny Pauling renounce porn after years of living under threat of violence? Did somebody shoot both his arms? Bomb his office? I'm not seeing that in his story:

donnysramblings.com

#133 | Posted by rcade at 2009-06-02 08:54 AM | Reply

You just changed the standard, rcade.
The analogy YOU used, I answered. YOUR analogy didn't involve shootings and bombings and death threats.
The article posted, I responded to.

Speaking out against Tiller IS NOT political violence!

Threatening him with physical harm, shooting him, bombing his office IS political violence.

NO ONE should stiffle free speech against Tiller, against me, Billy Graham, Fred Phelps, Connie Chung, whatever.

But free speech does indeed end when there is an explicit threat of physical violence.

But

AND MORE PROOF that cnn and other networks are nothing but HORSESHIT EXCUSES for journalists

early this morning on cnn as part of thier ONE SIDED coverage of this they had at least 5 mins of comments from orielly and they STOPPED after he said something about the SIXTY THOUSAND potential lives taken by this "death camp" doctor...and a couple of other out of context quotes..>YOU KNOW WHAT THOSE ARE DONT YOU...they are ONLY when a latino lady shows HER TRUE COLORS...

they COMPLETELY LEFT out his opening comments about how this murder, if left unchecked to fester could bring down our society, and at the end he called it "a sad day for america"..

so those of you like celisaray..
DONT OPEN YOUR IGNORANT FUCKIN MOUTH AT ME about what fox says on this or that because THIS is the horseshit news source that you are getting your info from.....

and RCADE>..with respect I have for you intact..
this article from you is little better and you do JUST WHAT THE CNN people did..

YOU are a part of the incitefull atmosphere

shame on you

"but where are the guards for the military recruiters.."

Do you have ANY idea how stupid that sounds?

"DEATH CAMP" was not uttered by oreily...that is my ACCURATE description

"I disagree with you, Kirk. I think I'll gather up some people who agree with me and stand on the public street outside your house. We'll start a web site and put your address and phone number on it, and make a bunch of inflammatory charges about your wrongdoing. Every time somebody looks at you weird, you'll have to ask yourself if it's somebody we've agitated against you. Forever.

It's just free speech, right?"

#77 | Posted by rcade at 2009-06-01 08:50 PM | Reply

There.

And yes, THAT is free speech.
You could even include some shit in there about how I'm gonna burn in hell, or just reincarnate, or turn to worm dirt, or become a homosexual later in life...or stuff like, you better watch out--an effeminate spirit is going to try and jump on you!

Clearly inflammatory, but clearly free speech.

If someone physically threatened me, it's a completely different story.

And I would've shot back.

and then I would've consided, after I got shot twice, if it is really worth continuing my bloodly career.

But that's just me.

but where are the guards for the military recruiters.."

Do you have ANY idea how stupid that sounds?

#146 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue

its not stupid...if they didnt need protection there wouldnt be any of them DEAD.......

main point

NOT ONE WORD FROM THE LIAR IN CHIEF
not that I saw and I watched for it

"......that is my ACCURATE description"

#147 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2009-06-02 11:25 AM | Reply | Flag: YOU'RE KIDDING ME, RIGHT??

HA HA!

Hope you're doing well my friend. Have a great day!

MORE BULLSHIT JOURNALISM FROM CNN

last night they had some fat lady spewing her venim and last night on CLOSET QUEENS 369

another baby killing doctor was on whose name I wont use for fear that rcade will write an article blaming me if something happens to him

he did NOTHING but spew hatred and attacks as fast as REGAN BLEW VOMIT IN THE EXORCISE

when asked by AC what about the anti DEATH groups saying they "abhored' this action, this doctor called them liars and hypocrites
WITH NO FOLLOW UP OF COURSE from the PORNO using "journalist".........

and this went on and on...DOING NOTHING More than throwing one hatefilled charge after another

SO RCADE>..IF there is even a hair tousseled of someone who is prolife by a pro choice..I expect another full blown article about how THIS DOC on cnn had some responsibility for that TOSSLED HAIR..
or whatever..

"its not stupid...if they didnt need protection there wouldnt be any of them DEAD......."

Its the MILITARY you idiot. If they need protection, they can provide their own whenever and wherever they want.

HA HA!

Hope you're doing well my friend. Have a great day!

#150 | Posted by Lisa at 2009-

thank you my friend as well

but since 60,000 souls were butchered by this man WHO IS NOW BEING CALLED A HERO AND A SAINT BY THE new york times..........has declared a war...
so alwasy remember...you are sweet.

(well when you arent being A TOTAL DORK)

call me any name you wish..it doesnt matter as I have explained my point in the comment..

and besides..planned parenthood has shown they are pretty good at violence...at least against the most innocent and helpless of us all.

AND GET THIS

ON CNN..also yesterday...

orieely was soundly attacked in print by a lady named MARY MAPES

any of you SCHOLARS remember THAT NAME????????

Ill give you a hint
she has already been proven to be a FUCKIN LIAR and thus on OBAMAS FAV FIVE

BL2:

"but since 60,000 souls were butchered by this man WHO IS NOW BEING CALLED A HERO AND A SAINT BY THE new york times..........has declared a war...
so alwasy remember...you are sweet.

(well when you arent being A TOTAL DORK)"

Thank you.

But Dorkette would be the appropriate language in my case.

As far as the topic goes...I'm still discussing this on the other thread. But ran out of energy...this pnemonia is kicking my butt. Gonna go back and rest. Have a beautiful day!

oh sweety

IM sorry to hear that...

take care of yourself.

Words do not kill.

Words do not kill.

#159 | Posted by kerrin57 at 2009-06-02 11:50 AM |

No but they can definitely incite. Think of a loopy imam saying that infidels are not worthy or a christian fundamantalist saying that god hates queers, when queers die, god is happy. They don't kill, but at some point, they do bare (sp?) some responsibility for events they provoke.

-No but they can definitely incite.

Think of Charles Manson.

NO pancho...not alwasy

lawyer on tv yesterday said that there is a SUPREME COURT APPROVED thing about this

something about a certain amount of time goes by and then you cant hold anyone accountable in order to satisfy free speech....it went by while I was doing something else so I didnt catch it all

but even ON CNN who is doing little more than attempting to get the left in a 'tizzy'...had a guy on LATE LAST night who talked about this very thing......

AND how did FOX news and orieely MAKE this guy get all those bombs and shit that he was charged with in the 1996 I blieve the year was

and even cnn said that he had a history of mental illness..isnt this SOMEONE WHO is supposed to be treated with some respect and decency???????

CORKY

THERE IT IS

anti death advocates are the same as charles manson

right on time

but WHAT ABOUT A GOOD old all american hitler reference??????

I would have said bear.

So words and ideas incite/motivate people ...agreed.

So do we muzzle free speech because a few weak brained wack jobs go off the deep end?

When prop 8 did not pass there were some pretty hateful thing said on BOTH sides...what if somebody was hurt?

Which side do we muzzle?

Kerrin,
You touch on the double edged sword of freedom and there is no universal right answer.

Hell prop 8 ...passed.

I am as confused as some of the Ca voters about what "no" meant.

Herm - I am one of those weird pro-choice, pro-lifers. I am personally pro-life and proud that I have the choice to be pro-life. I posted the piece from Salon (posts 128 and 129) because I wanted to show that there are two sides to every issue. If it was that black and white, it would be easy, wouldnt it. While I cannot imagine the doctor conducting every abortion because it was a medical emergency, it appears that some were.

Would I have made the same decision as many of those mothers, probably not. I cannot say because I am blessed with two beautiful children, and thankfully I wasnt confronted with such issues. But its difficult to comment without walking in another person's shoes. I think the Salon article shows that.

I think I'll gather up some people who agree with me and stand on the public street outside your house. We'll start a web site and put your address and phone number on it, and make a bunch of inflammatory charges about your wrongdoing. Every time somebody looks at you weird, you'll have to ask yourself if it's somebody we've agitated against you. Forever.

You mean Kirk donated money for the passage of Prop 8?

Boy, you queers sure can hold a grudge.

So we can hold The Sierra Club, PETA, and such other groups responsible for acts of violence on reaserch facilities, sabatoge of construction equipment, or for theft of animals from private property?

We can charge Gays and Lesbians for any assualts of persons or property in Cali?(Remeber the map they had to homes of Prop 8 Supporters and voters)

this is a dangerous road to tred.

Activists who go after doctors are doing so to intimidate them into quitting

----

Which should not be a concern if it's legal.

Ace..."DrewM makes an interesting point in the comments. When Dr. Tiller was murdered, the White House released a statement on Sunday afternoon. As of 11:15 a.m. EST, the Commander in Chief has yet to release a statement condemning the murder of a member of the armed forces by a suspected terrorist."

Still true??

Bottom line is that ole Doc T(K)iller ran into that inevitable bitch called "karma".

If there is a hell, he's currently being sodomized by Satan's thorny cock.

For eternity.

And that's exactly how it should be.

"A group called WhoSigned.org says it will publicize the names of people signing petitions for Referendum 71, which seeks a public vote to overturn a new expansion of Washington's same-sex partnerships. WhoSigned.org says it's partnering with the gay rights group KnowThyNeighbor.org to put the names online. In a statement Monday, WhoSigned.org says it expects people who see the names online to contact the signers for what may be uncomfortable talks about gay rights and coordination of fashion accessories."

We can charge Gays and Lesbians for any assualts of persons or property in Cali?(Remeber the map they had to homes of Prop 8 Supporters and voters)

this is a dangerous road to tred.

#169 | Posted by GotTruth at

DONT FORGET the ACORN people supported by the SEIU AND GEORGE SOROS who stood out in the street outside homes of bankers and AIG people sent there IN BUSES so by standards set by CNN..even the bus company could be liable..........

and throw in CNN and thier two guests...the doctor who I specifically talked about but WONT NAME for fear of him getting hurt and people blaming me here...

they are stirring up a COUNTER ATTACK from someone.

and IF THAT were to happen

RCADE>>>I will be waiting your article blaming the doctore on cnn and cnn as well....

one more thought on the subject for the day

I agree with this quote from oreiily on the LAura ingraham show this Morning

talking of course about the attacks on him

he siad

" the left is stupid if they think they can win on this issue"

and he is right...you are...IF

Detain them all indefinately and waterboard ALL of them. These are radical extremists who are at war against the United States of America, who knows when they may strike again?

If there is a hell, he's currently being sodomized by Satan's thorny cock.

For eternity.

And that's exactly how it should be.

#172 | Posted by Jak_Se_Mao at 2009-06-02

or maybe there are 60,000 souls right now ripping his head apart with forcips and waiting on him to die before they do it again and again and again..,like maybe 60,000 times

Detain them all indefinately and waterboard ALL of them. These are radical extremists who are at war against the United States of America, who knows when they may strike again?
I agree, you never know when these "doctors" might perform might kill another infant with their late term abortions.

"A group called WhoSigned.org says it will publicize the names of people signing petitions for Referendum 71, which seeks a public vote to overturn a new expansion of Washington's same-sex partnerships. WhoSigned.org says it's partnering with the gay rights group KnowThyNeighbor.org to put the names online. In a statement Monday, WhoSigned.org says it expects people who see the names online to contact the signers for what may be uncomfortable talks about gay rights and coordination of fashion accessories."
if this happens, may the leaders of the group WhoSigned.org would be executed and the video placed on youtube.

I agree, you never know when these "doctors" might obey the laws of the united states of america.

#179 | Posted by slicksterWilly

Fixed that for ya'.

Why do you hate america so much? You're siding with the terrorists.

at one point in time, slavery was legal. That did not make it right.

Late term abortion is legalized murder.

Which should not be a concern if it's legal.

Funny. Tell that to the people who stood outside his clinic harassing him and his patients. His abortion services were legal.

Regardless if something is "legal", this is a moral issue. Late term abortions are immoral.

Not performing a late term abortion on a dying woman could be construed as murder.

...and immoral.

Corky, nice deflection. When the mothers health is jeapordy is a no brainer.

Speaking of n0-brainers, Slicky, the man had just been exonerated of 19 charges of performing an abortion where legal conditions such as the life of the mother were necessary by law.

Morality is subjective. Nothing can be called universally moral or immoral.

-Objective morality, that is to say a morality based on reality (instead of subjective beliefs, desires, whims, etc), is usually claimed to be the province of religion. Atheism, on the other hand, is supposed to have nothing to offer but evolutionary or emotionalist explanations. In this article, I will defend secular objective morality against both religious absolutism and skeptic subjectivism/relativism.

Funny. Tell that to the people who stood outside his clinic harassing him and his patients. His abortion services were legal.

----

If it's legal, why should it matter? After all, his services were legal.

So we're left with people doing legal things.

Yet ugly rhetoric gets thrown into the mix. Words describing illegal activities like...

"Killer"
"Murderer"
"Domestic terrorist"
"Political violence"

legalized murder

Oxymoron.

Murder, by definition, is the illegal taking of a life. Therefore neither abortion nor capital punishment is murder.

Protesting is political violence? That's a miiiiiighty stretch, rcade.

When an anti-abortion group staged protests at the home of "Tiller the Killer," what do you think the purpose was?

These groups incite violence to achieve a political end -- the absence of late-term abortion services in this country. And it's working.

Where does it end? I hate what Giroux is doing. Should I organize a bunch of pro-choice liberals to stand outside her home and make her fear violence the way Tiller must have feared it?

#29 | Posted by rcade

Sorry. You can't have it both ways...

...if your premise is that only right-wing gatherings incite violence.

If fact, I think there is much more evidence to the contrary. I submit that left-wing gatherings are far more likely, statistically, to incite violence.

What say you?

"If fact, I think there is much more evidence to the contrary. I submit that left-wing gatherings are far more likely, statistically, to incite violence."

Just look at the events of Woodstock '94.

or how about this:

Do left wing gatherings incite violence or attract it?

Sorry. You can't have it both ways... ...if your premise is that only right-wing gatherings incite violence.

Show me where I said that only right-wing gatherings incite violence.

Tiller murdered unborn children by performing late term abortions. There are even reports that he peformed such late term abortions without the 2nd doctor's opinion as required by law. I don't condone someone murdering anyone including Tiller but I would never cry for a murderer like Tiller.

Tiller didn't respect the law or human life so why should anyone care about that human filth?

Because we are a nation of laws, not vigilantes.

UTAstiff is making a case that abortion should be mandatory in some instances whether he knows it or not.

What about the groups that cultivated and incited the The guy who shot up the Army recruiters? Can we hold the Mosque he attended lible for his actions?

Can we hold the Mosque he attended lible for his actions?

#200 | Posted by GotTruth

Probably not. But we sure can take a very close look at what he was doing in Yemen with a Somali passport, eh?

Sorry. You can't have it both ways... ...if your premise is that only right-wing gatherings incite violence.

Show me where I said that only right-wing gatherings incite violence.

#196 | Posted by rcade

Good!

I was hoping you weren't implying that.

Rightly or wrongly, I, and others, might infer it from your post however.

I mean, just by changing a few words let's just see what happens.

...

When an anti-abortion group staged protests at the home of [GM, AIG, IMF, World Bank executives], what do you think the purpose was?

These groups incite violence to achieve a political end -- the absence of [globalization, the IMF, Black/Hispanic non-representation, highly paid executives] in this country. And it's working.

Where does it end? I hate what Giroux is doing. Should I organize a bunch of pro-choice liberals to stand outside her home and make her fear violence the way Tiller must have feared it?

#29 | Posted by rcade

...

rcade, you do realize that you are on the wrong side of history on this one. Right?

The issue of abortion is not a big one for me personally (I think we should be able to kill the little bastards until they reach the age of seven or eight).

However, I CAN see science finally settling the abortion debate.

And that will not be good for your side. Not good at all.

Abortionists will become like yesteryear's slavery advocates. Yes; that institution was once legal and very common as well. Today slavery is vilified; as abortions will someday be.

Very soon now, new discoveries will prove the fetus to be sentient, aware, and intelligent - human life in other words, and therefore protected by the United States Constitution.

Some researchers suggest it might even become possible to one day communicate with a fetal human being.

What then?

Just look at the events of Woodstock '94.

or how about this:

www.youtube.com

#194 | Posted by GotTruth at

A. I'm not sure how you attach political affiliation to a modern rock concert. It would be like saying an event that the WWE put on or a NASCAR race is "conservative."

B. Nothing happened at Woodstock 94, I was there. You are thinking of Woodstock 99. When you're trying to make a point, no matter how far you're reaching, it's important to get what few "facts" you have going to for correct.

Very soon now, new discoveries will prove the fetus to be sentient, aware, and intelligent - human life in other words, and therefore protected by the United States Constitution.

Some researchers suggest it might even become possible to one day communicate with a fetal human being.

What then?

#203 | Posted by BENDOR

Find me a zygote that can cook, clean, and wash the stains out of your boxers for no pay and you win this argument. Untill then I don't give a fat rat's ass if the thing is in there juggling, it's not more important than the woman who is carrying it.

Find me a zygote that can cook, clean, and wash the stains out of your boxers for no pay and you win this argument. Untill then I don't give a fat rat's ass if the thing is in there juggling, it's not more important than the woman who is carrying it.

#205 | Posted by NoGov4Me

Allow me me rephrase this for you from a historical perspective.

Find me a [slave] that can cook, clean, and wash the stains out of your boxers for no pay and you win this argument. Until then I don't give a fat rat's ass if the [slave] is in there juggling, it's not more important than the [slave owner] who [purchased the slave].

Find me a zygote that can cook, clean, and wash the stains out of your boxers for no pay and you win this argument. Untill then I don't give a fat rat's ass if the thing is in there juggling, it's not more important than the woman who is carrying it.

#205 | Posted by NoGov4Me

Not more important.

Equally so.

With an equal, unalienable right to life.

This is the future. And you, me, and rcade are on the wrong side of history.

Good sweet Jesus Christ on a bicycle.

This is all so easy for a bunch of people who have never had fate (or a uterus) put them between a rock and a hard place.

It doesn't seem to occur to some of the posters here that late-term abortion is a very tough call, far beyond anything the average person has to make. I don't think any reasonable person would want to take a coat hanger and an old Electrolux to a third-trimester baby, and we have a considerable body of law to deal with the unreasonable ones.

Once in a great while, though, it's necessary to make some goddamn tough choices in this world, and that's what the right to choose late-term - under emergency circumstances - is about. It's not about going in for a scrape just because you were careless; it's about the right to choose not to bear a child who is provably, horrendously compromised in ways that would make its life unbearable. It's about being able to choose to preserve your own life when medical opinion is clear that your life would be substantially endangered by delivering. It's about choosing healthy, viable life over death or tragedy, not convenience.

You guys are doing nothing more than armchair quarterbacking. I notice that when it comes to problems with your own precious pee-pees, stud muffins and prostates, you're a lot more inclined to listen to medical advice instead of looking in the Book of Revelations or whatever for guidance.

Again, if someone wants to mis-use late-term, emergency abortion, we can deal with that. But there's no need to make it absolutely unavailable, putting lives at risk thereby. It should be a last resort, but it should be there, and under safe conditions.

If you believe otherwise, I can only hope that you and your most loved don't end up on a plane to some weird country where there's somebody who will do the only thing that will save her life, or prevent a tragic life for a horribly compromised child. I also hope that your daughters do not marry some fundie who condemns her to death because a medically necessary abortion is "against God's will."

Groups of that are pro-choice share the blame for millions of murdered unborn children.

I mean, just by changing a few words let's just see what happens.

I am opposed to the people who publish maps of all the individual Prop 8 donors. I think that's an encouragement to harass those people, and that's harmful to our country.

But there's a matter of degree here we have to consider. Have prop 8 donors been victims of violence the way abortion providers have been? The people who protest individual abortion clinics and doctors *know* that violence has occurred before. They know they're playing with other people's lives.

That makes it worse. People like Jenn Giroux say they're sorry he got killed, but will they change their form of protest to make it less likely another doctor will be harmed?

Equally so. With an equal, unalienable right to life. This is the future. And you, me, and rcade are on the wrong side of history.

The only way abortion becomes illegal again in this country is if a Supreme Court decision makes it illegal. Since Obama's got four years and a pretty strong chance for eight, he's likely to make at least three court appointments. So you're looking at, what, 2040 before there's another chance to repeal Roe v. Wade?

However, I CAN see science finally settling the abortion debate. And that will not be good for your side. Not good at all.

The science of fetal development is well-established. Pick up a copy of What To Expect When You're Expecting. We know what the fetus is capable of, week by week. There are no surprises waiting for us that would suddenly impose personhood on a fetus.

Abortion is not murder. Science will not turn it into murder. Indeed, science will prove that attributing personhood to fetuses is preposterous. The right is stupid if it thinks it will win on this issue. The self-styled pro-liars (including Westboro?) do celebrate today, as those of us still favoring women's rights send condolences (tot ACORN) to a murdered healer and his staff. This may cover the most recent spate of idiocies. herm

Viability outside the womb is one of the touchstones of the legal decisions on the right to choose. As science enables younger and younger fetuses to be viable, the "first-second-third trimester" debate may shift.

However, I CAN see science finally settling the abortion debate. And that will not be good for your side. Not good at all.

The science of fetal development is well-established. Pick up a copy of What To Expect When You're Expecting. We know what the fetus is capable of, week by week. There are no surprises waiting for us that would suddenly impose personhood on a fetus.

#212 | Posted by rcade

I actually hope your right rcade.

My silence on this issue puts me in the same crowd as you.

When I look to the future though, I see something else entirely.

The genocide of millions of unborn will our generations cross to bear.

We may get to see this future unfold.

"Groups of that are pro-choice share the blame for millions of murdered unborn children."

And groups that are fundamentalist share the blame for millions of murdered born children. And adults. And for that matter, fetuses - pregnant women get killed in fundie-fueled wars and terroristic actions.

Why don't we outlaw that?

Could it be that people have a right to choose fundamentalist religious views?

Groups that pursue and hate the military are to blame for Carlos Muhammed shooting the recruits.

In fact--let's just blame all the muslims while we are at it.

Let's just blame all the code pinks, the whackos who hate the gov't, hate society, hate getting a job.

Same logic as the focus on this article.

Abortion is not murder. Science will not turn it into murder. Indeed, science will prove that attributing personhood to fetuses is preposterous. The right is stupid if it thinks it will win on this issue. The self-styled pro-liars (including Westboro?) do celebrate today, as those of us still favoring women's rights send condolences (tot ACORN) to a murdered healer and his staff. This may cover the most recent spate of idiocies. herm

#213 | Posted by her

Attributing personhood to fetuses is preposterous?

Boy, you're just going to love the future then!

If robots and other entities with artificial intelligence can be deemed as "persons" with certain rights bestowed...

...why not the real McCoy? Hell, even completely life-less corporations hold legal personhood.

A great many things that once seemed preposterous have instead become reality.

What will we all say when the first sentient conversation with a fetus happens?

Unbelievable! Ludicrous! You say?

That day is right around the corner.

Abortion is not murder. Science will not turn it into murder. Indeed, science will prove that attributing personhood to fetuses is preposterous. The right is stupid if it thinks it will win on this issue. The self-styled pro-liars (including Westboro?) do celebrate today, as those of us still favoring women's rights send condolences (tot ACORN) to a murdered healer and his staff. This may cover the most recent spate of idiocies. herm

#213 | Posted by herm

One other point to make hermaphroditus.

You say that abortion is not murder.

While that still remains legally accurate, hermaphroditus, there is legal precedence for murder prosecutions and convictions on those who kill fetuses.

You think that legal precedent won't be used in future court proceedings on the abortion question?

Think again hermaphroditus. Think again.

The assertion is insane. The guy that shot Tiller is a nut, that's it.

I'm very opposed to abortion, so much so that I will not vote for a candidate, of any party, that isn't pro-life, and that may well mean that I don't vote in future elections..

But neither I nor anyone else I know supports the coldblooded murder of Dr. Tiller. I think Tiller was a horrible person, but the common good dictates that we remain a nation of law, not vigilantes.

But to claim that people opposed to abortion, especially the late term abortions that Tiller performed (opposed by the way, by the majority of Doctors that do abortions) are somehow not supposed to speak out because some nut killed him is insane.

And the majority of the media's salivating rush to make the assertion that prolife groups support murder is not a compliment to the modern media.

Equally so. With an equal, unalienable right to life. This is the future. And you, me, and rcade are on the wrong side of history.

The only way abortion becomes illegal again in this country is if a Supreme Court decision makes it illegal. Since Obama's got four years and a pretty strong chance for eight, he's likely to make at least three court appointments. So you're looking at, what, 2040 before there's another chance to repeal Roe v. Wade?

#211 | Posted by rcade

The future might unfold that way, sure.

It might not.

Sooner or later though, a great many in our generation will be vilified as abortionists.

"Mommy, why was great great grandpa an abortionist? How could he support killing so many people?"

"I don't know honey. I really don't know."

The people who protest individual abortion clinics and doctors *know* that violence has occurred before. They know they're playing with other people's lives.

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They also realize there is a very strong possibility and likelihood that it won't. You listed how many acts of violence there have been since 1993. How many protests have there been since then?

I'd agree with you if there was a high ratio of violent acts to protests but I strongly doubt there is.

"Sooner or later though, a great many in our generation will be vilified as abortionists."

This is the important thing to Bendover. He KNOWS that reproductive rights will not be abrogated. For him it is enough that physicians who terminate pregnancies be vilified. herm

For him it is enough that physicians who terminate pregnancies be vilified.

Is this anymore absurd that "vilifying" people who voted for GWB?

"Is this anymore absurd that (than?) 'vilifying' people who voted for GWB?"

Most who voted for Dubya did not have to deal with some kid's problem pregnancy. herm

I'd agree with you if there was a high ratio of violent acts to protests but I strongly doubt there is.

There have been at least 7 doctors killed, and 17 attempts. There have been bombings. Vandalism is constant. There is harassment of patients going to their Doctor. There are states where no Doctor is available to perform the abortion, no matter how neccessary it may be - and this is a result of the fundamentalist wackos and threats.

TIller dealt with late term abortions for women who's primary GYNO told them, that even if their child has died, they have to carry it until their body expels it. He dealt with cases of incest of 11 year old girls who would die in childbirth.

The "right" and (I wish I could say extremists) demonized this man. O'Reilly demonized him.

His death, his blood is on their hands - and so are the women and children that will die because no one will be left to perform a somber, last effort to save them.

But the right loves absolutes when it comes to a fetus. Absolutes about gay marriage. Absolutes about personal morals - but screw that when it comes to a war of choice, or torture.

Yav,

your arguments are a joke. A GYNO requiring a women to carry a dead child...incest....these types of cases likely make up 1 out of every 20,000 of the abortions performed.

the only person with blood on his hands is the trigger puller.

and so are the women and children that will die because no one will be left to perform a somber, last effort to save them.
if you believe this you are really disturbed. I have never met or read of a pro life person with any credibility who argues the womens health does not come before the child she is carrying.

Late term abortions where the mother is not at risk are immoral.

Obviously you don't know what your are talking about because no real human would believe that this doctor was a savior to anyone. He was doing elective abortions left and right so look up the facts.

There have been at least 7 doctors killed, and 17 attempts. There have been bombings. Vandalism is constant. There is harassment of patients going to their Doctor.

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Sounds like the labor movement.

"Sounds like the labor movement."

With or without the epidural?

#226 | Posted by YAV

Yav--there have been 4 doctors killed.

Compared to 40 million abortions since 1973 and 60,000 late term abortions done by Tiller.

The harassment has been kept away like a 50 feet from the doors.

All they do is pray and hold signs. If they do any more than that they get arrested.

The last bombing was by that guy who bombed the Olympics in Atlanta--Rudolph.

And it was completely wrong for this guy to kill Tiller--we have laws and they have to be followed or there is anarchy.

Your comment about groups who are pro-life or people like O'Reilly having blood on their hands because another guy shot the doctor just don't hold any water.

This guy was into bombs since 1993 and anti-abortion way before then. He killed because of his ideology.

Just like the Muhammed guy killed that recruit in Arkansas--ideology.

I don't hear you accusing the muslim world for that guy shooting and killing a recruit.

Absolutely with. No bottom lip pulled over my head.

I'd probably need one just for the sonogram....

And eventually he would have been brought up on the charges that were dropped by the DA he bought and paid for along with Sebelius.

They dropped the charges that he was performing illegal abortions as his records showed that up to 70% of his practice for late term abortions were "elective" and not medically required for the health of the mother.

But when you make a million dollars a year--you can buy the politicians.

Here is Doctor McHugh who reviewed abortion records

Absolutely with. No bottom lip pulled over my head.

#232 | Posted by Pirate at 2009-06-03 12:25 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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I'd probably need one just for the sonogram....

#233 | Posted by Danforth

If birthing babies was the man's job--we would be extinct as humans.

And Dan--the sonogram is painless--except you have to drink 48 ounces of water and hold it--forever!

Both of my kids I had natural--it's not that bad--at least for me. Can't speak for everyone.

"And Dan--the sonogram is painless"

I'd have the epidural just the same!

Mmmmmmm...epiduralllllll....

I don't like needles--especially in the spine--no thanks.

Heck --for Dylan--we barely made it to the hospital. I had him 45 minutes after arriving.

They didn't even have time to put the IV in.

All this makes me chuckle.
Someday, and I think within 20 years, there will be a crumbling of the abortion mentality much like what happened to the Iron Curtain after the Pope visited Poland. Evil runs and hides when confronted.

If you really want to save babies that dont have a chance - save the ones that are being "shaken" to death or beaten to death by their parents. Do a google search and read about the helpless children that are victims of abuse and are murdered by their parents EVERY day. These are children that we can save now vs. wasting our time with this theoretical debate.

But to claim that people opposed to abortion, especially the late term abortions that Tiller performed (opposed by the way, by the majority of Doctors that do abortions) are somehow not supposed to speak out because some nut killed him is insane.

That's not what I said. Speaking out is fine. Being an activist is fine. But when your activism targets individual abortion doctors, you're part of a harassment and intimidation campaign that could easily result in the doctor's murder and violence against other clinic staff and volunteers.

If people like Giroux are genuinely upset about Tiller's murder, they will renounce the tactic of targeting abortion doctors.

That's not what I said. Speaking out is fine. Being an activist is fine. But when your activism targets individual abortion doctors, you're part of a harassment and intimidation campaign that could easily result in the doctor's murder and violence against other clinic staff and volunteers.

#240 | Posted by rcade

You would've made a fine hardhat during the Vietnam era rcade. Or is it just fine when folks speak out on behalf of issues you approve of?

Evil runs and hides when confronted.

#238 | Posted by Diablo at 2009-06-03 01:53 AM | Reply | Flag

Abortion is not evil. Abortion is not something "new". Abortion has been around since the beginning of humanity, and it will be around till the end of humanity. The only question is---how many women will people like you kill with your sanctimonious attitude.

Murder, by definition, is the illegal taking of a life. Therefore neither abortion nor capital punishment is murder.

#192 | Posted by goatman at 2009-

ON orielly last night he played clip of doctor mchugh from johns hokins who had looked in to the late term issue and he found that there were many times that the womans health really wasnt an issue
he listed the following as some of the reasons given
on why they needed the baby aborted

couldnt go to concerts
couldnt go dancing
and would rather abort than put up for adoption

someone please try and tell me why these are justifications for murder

and he did mention one case...they found out the child did not have a brain or lungs...okay even the most devout person here might see this as something to think about

but COULDNT GO DANCING so you KILL your child..

sick

" COULDNT GO DANCING so you KILL your child...sick"

Shit, Babble. NO child. NO killing. And not a helluva lot of sense. herm

it makes sense to people who actually give a shit about the innocent potential lives who were snuffed out by this murderer........

and again........this was from a doctor from johns hopkins who researched all of the late term BUTCHERS............

it makes sense to people who actually give a shit about the innocent potential lives

So potential life is valued higher than actual life. I always thought that was the pro-life position. Nice to have it clarified.

CNN last night had more guests on who were attacking everyone who is prolife and NOT ONE FUCKIN WORD FROM that side..
so called journalist and closet queen anderson cooper interviewed one guy who said

"abortion is not a reproduction or womans rights issue. It is an issue of the heart"

It was all I could do to keep from throwing something at the tv.
what nonsense..

So potential life is valued higher than actual life. I always thought that was the pro-life position. Nice to have it clarified.

#246 | Posted by kanrei at 2009-06-03

dont even try and twist it

you know good and well what I am talking about. I even mentioned earlier the case of the mother who found out that her late term child had no brain or lungs.....isnt THAT what the law is saying about "catastrophic reasons"
last time I heard not being able to attend a dance or concert wasnt a catastrophy

and I am sure that there are many cases of more of that bullshit....also heard of one who had it done because being pregnant gave her a headache..

and THESE are okay with you?????

I even mentioned earlier the case of the mother who found out that her late term child had no brain or lungs.....isnt THAT what the law is saying about "catastrophic reasons" ...

So you support abortion in the third trimester for babies when there are "catastrophic reasons"?

If the answer is yes, who's going to perform these abortions when the doctors are have all quit performing them or are dead?

Someone watched O'Reilly last night. Too bad he was full of shit.

Okay, I'm willing to bear my part of the blame or credit, I suppose that it depends on your point of view regarding the consequence of the removal of a serial killer of innocents from his occupation. I certainly am not one of the mourners as I don't view "celebration" of the life of Tiller the Killer as meriting mourning. What is it that he did that was noteworthy. Set a record for termination of lives.

Well, he has a buddy next in line, waiting to replace him in his lucrative practice. After all, just as did the fictional James Bond, Killer Tiller, skirting the law, was able to use his state issued "license to kill" (actually issued for the healing arts) to insulate himself from legal culpability and liability for the heinous acts he regularly and routinely committed.

Who is this other licensed practitioner of "the healing arts?' Why he has come forward. He is LeRoy (the heartless) Carhart of Nebraska, who has his own late term abortion activities and has also assisted Tiller the Killer in Tiller's clinic, which has not yet reopened. But Heartless Carhart is hoping that it does so that he, Carhart, can carry on Tiller the Killer's work.

By the way, is it true that Carhart's nickname is "Next?"

If the answer is yes, who's going to perform these abortions when the doctors are have all quit performing them or are dead?

#249 | Posted by rcade at

this according to my reading is what the law says..the term used...that was my main point on that..........

and even then there are things that have to he done that I STILL believe tiller circumvented even though YES he was acquited..

but I dont think we would have a problem finding docs that wanted to become millionaires like tiller..

and THESE are okay with you?????

#248 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2009-06-03 12:22 PM | Reply | Flag

Having an abortion because of a bad hair day is good enough for me. It is the quality of life that matters---not the quantity. I would rather be aborted than live in a world of hunger and squalor surrounded by filth and disease accompanied by an early death such as is found in Bangledesh, or India and China. Think it can't happen here? That's because you only see the moment.

Filling the country with millions upon millions of unwanted, unloved, uneducated children whose parent would have rather they didn't exist, would not be good for society.

I would rather be aborted than live in a world of hunger and squalor surrounded by filth and disease accompanied by an early death such as is found in Bangledesh, or India and China. Think it can't happen here? That's because you only see the moment.

I have trouble believing this
for instance if you were in that condition you would still fight to live and besides

it might make you a shoe in to be on the obama supreme court...unless you pay your taxes

Having an abortion because of a bad hair day is good enough for me

Incredible. Even for someone who is pro-abortion, this is simply too callous.

Thank you ancestors for not being as cavalier towards life as Bob. I guess they thought I could handle a little hunger, a little sickness, and even a little filth if it meant I might get to live an otherwise fulfilling life. Whew.

Is there any wonder about why people don't believe that the abortions this doctor performed were legal? Notice the question is always about whether Abortion should be allowed. The question is never asked about whether the reason fits Roe v Wade.

WIKI:
Reasons for abortions
In 2000, cases of rape or incest accounted for 1% of abortions.[25] Another study, in 1998, revealed that in 1987-1988 women reported the following reasons for choosing an abortion:[26]

25.5% Want to postpone childbearing
21.3% Cannot afford a baby
14.1% Has relationship problem or partner does not want pregnancy
12.2% Too young; parent(s) or other(s) object to pregnancy
10.8% Having a child will disrupt education or job
7.9% Want no (more) children
3.3% Risk to fetal health
2.8% Risk to maternal health
2.1% Other
According to a 1987 study that included specific data about late abortions (i.e. abortions "at 16 or more weeks' gestation"),[27] women reported that various reasons contributed to their having a late abortion:

71% Woman didn't recognize she was pregnant or misjudged gestation
48% Woman found it hard to make arrangements for abortion
33% Woman was afraid to tell her partner or parents
24% Woman took time to decide to have an abortion
8% Woman waited for her relationship to change
8% Someone pressured woman not to have abortion
6% Something changed after woman became pregnant
6% Woman didn't know timing is important
5% Woman didn't know she could get an abortion
2% A fetal problem was diagnosed late in pregnancy
11% Other

Here's are poll question I want asked.

"In the Roe v Wade decision, the Supreme Court ruled that the abortion could not be prevented by the State if the abortion was performed based on her physician's medical judgment.

Answer yes or no:

Is the inability to afford a child a medical judgment?

Is the discomfort of being pregnant out of wedlock a medical judgment"

Is career interference a medical judgment?

Is 'too young' or 'too old' to be a mother a medical judgment?

Is the chance of the mother losing her life a medical judgment?"

BL2: So you don't support abortion in the third trimester for babies when there are "catastrophic reasons"? You think a woman whose fetus has no brain should be forced to carry it to term?

- You think a woman whose fetus has no brain should be forced to carry it to term?

His mom thought so.

(I'm really, truly sorry about that! Just TOO easy!)

no I believe I said something else....I may have said thats at least something to think about

and also ..the article I read said that the doctors told her that the baby had little chance of even surviving the birth....which with no brain or lung sort of makes sense dont you think

so I guess YES I would support that.......but again

thats a long way from aborting because you cant go dancing or what bob said.........

His mom thought so.

(I'm really, truly sorry about that! Just TOO easy!)

#259 | Posted by Corky at 2009-06-

hey dont apologize

everyone around me is wondering why I am laughing so hard..
NICE ONE................(prick)

No one who is pro-choice would ever call themselves "pro-abortion". No one who is "pro-abortion" would ever object to any reason a woman wants an abortion.

It is none of my business why a woman wants or has an abortion---it is no one else fucking business either. In a free society---people should be free to control what happens inside their own body. Most abortions happen when the embryo is nothing but undifferentiated tissue anyway.

Forced birth advocates see every fetus as having the capability to play the piano from conception.

oh bob..

it took me until I was at least 4 before I was playing the concertos from memory....lol

and its none of your business whether I wear a seat belt or not but the fuckin cop at the corner last month didnt seem to think the same way.........

so its my body that would be twisted and torn up..so 'its no one elses fuckin business' but they make it so.........

His mom thought so.

(I'm really, truly sorry about that! Just TOO easy!)

#259 | Posted by Corky at 2009-06-

CORkMiesTER

I have to say it againl.

damn that was good..I wish I had said it myself
i wish I had said it myslef
i wish I had said it myslef
i wish I had said it....slaP..

there...had to slap the brain battery I got instead..

so I guess YES I would support that...

I agree with you. But if late-term abortions aren't available, we're forcing woman to carry these catastrophic pregnancies to term. And now Tiller's not providing that service any more, because of domestic terrorism.

People who read about Tiller will find that what motivated him to offer these abortion services -- in the fact of relentless abuse -- were women who could turn to no one else when they had pregnancies like that.

so its my body that would be twisted and torn up..so 'its no one elses fuckin business' but they make it so.........

#263 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2009-06-03 01:26 PM | Reply | Flag

No comparison--but not surprising. Your body may go flying through the windshied and kill someonelse--that rarely happens in a pregnancy. Your seat belt is on the outside of your body.

How does a woman aborting an unwanted fetus affect you? Why is it any of your business?

People that post here share the blame for causing (herm)aphroditus to become gay-curious.

I wonder if herm knows his name originates from Hermaphroditus, a Greek god having both male and female organs?

I wonder if herm knows his name originates from...
#267 | Posted by BENDOR

Most likely the lightning quick messenger Hermes.

"Bendor," "Bendo'er," "Bendover" is another matter altogether.

I'll bet his dad was named herm too. He sure did run from europe pretty fucking fast.

How does a woman aborting an unwanted fetus affect you?

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I would have 2 more nieces/nephews.

I'm proud of your sister(s), Pirate, embarrassed by you and the bogus paratrooper. herm (lower case) was pinned on me by an editor reminding me of the clueless pointyhaired boss in "Dilbert" - so he could send computer messages and not have to type more than one syllable. Stuff even "101" could read. herm

I'm sorry...am I supposed to care what somebody on the internet thinks about me?

"I'm sorry...am I supposed to care what somebody on the internet thinks about me?

#272 | Posted by Pirate"

Why, is that bad?

Goatman

it's the worst, montetroll. You have no idea.

I don't care what anyone thinks about my caring whether he cares. herm

I don't care about you're not caring about your caring on my caring or lack thereof.

And I don't care that you're should be your.

"And I don't care that you're should be your." No "your" is correct. Your caring is of no concern to me. But thanks for playing Pirate and stop by any time you're (not your) in the area. herm

#253 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob at 2009-06-03 12:53 PM

Having an abortion because of a bad hair day is good enough for me. It is the quality of life that matters---not the quantity. I would rather be aborted than live in a world of hunger and squalor surrounded by filth and disease accompanied by an early death such as is found in Bangledesh, or India and China. Think it can't happen here? That's because you only see the moment.

I wonder if Bob was ever in a relationship where he fathered a child. He seems to indifferent so that I wonder how detached he is from the reality of it being a life in esse.

Filling the country with millions upon millions of unwanted, unloved, uneducated children whose parent would have rather they didn't exist, would not be good for society.

Oh. Oh. Will Bob join the Minutemen and stand guard at the border whipping a car antenna through the air to intimidate the illegal aliens contemplating making a dash into the USA?

The notion of a mourning "unborn baby," an oxymoron if one ever was, boggles MY mind, and only Johnson's could have produced it. Indeed, J, supporters of reproductive rights are the No. 1 supporters of human life. herm

The dr deserved to die. Live by the sword, die by the sword. Burn in hell you fucking killer.

I would have 2 more nieces/nephews.

#270 | Posted by Pirate at 2009-06-03 03:58 PM | Reply | Flag

Whoop De DOO. BFD

The dr deserved to die. Live by the sword, die by the sword. Burn in hell you fucking killer.

#282 | Posted by chickenrancher at 2009-06-03 08:46 PM | Reply | Flag

The doctor was a hero, saving thousands of womens lives. All his abortions were legal--performed on dead fetuses--fetuses with no brains--no organs--massive defects--or saved the life of the mother. It took great courage to do these procedures that no one else would do. This doctor deserves a heroes funeral.

People like you are evil and ignorant. This doctor was a true American Hero, living courageously every day, facing death to help women.

'People like you are evil and ignorant.'

While serila killers like Tiller the baby killer are hero's.

Tell us Buttf*ck, if Tiller was such a 'hero', why are there only 2 other people in America that perform late term abortions on demand?

Tiller was a psychopath, a sociopath, and the most prolific serial killer in world history.

The fact that he was able to feed his desire to butcher the unborn and become a millionaire many times over, is as astounding as it is demonic.

Tell us Buttf*ck, if Tiller was such a 'hero', why are there only 2 other people in America that perform late term abortions on demand?

#285 | Posted by r_zeitgeist at 2009-06-03 09:45 PM | Reply | Fla

Because nut cases like you shoot them. It took great courage to live this mans life---more courage than Audie Murphy ever had.

How's that gun collection coming along---made up your list of people who deserve to die yet?

All his abortions were legal--performed on dead fetuses--fetuses with no brains--no organs--massive defects--or saved the life of the mother. It took great courage to do these procedures that no one else would do. BB

That is not true BB--there are claims that 70% were viable and would survive and were not dead.

If he didn't buy the DA and the governor Sebelius--maybe the charges against him for wrongful abortions would not have been dropped.

They only tried him on the 19 charges having to do with a second opinion from the doctor he paid in the same office.

Immoral and unethical all the same.

They should have subpeonaed all the records and made legal decisions as to whether or not his late term abortions were legal or not.

He did 60,000 over the years and made millions of dollars.

He killed viable babies before they drew a breath--because then he would be guilty of legal murder.

Why do you think they pull the baby out feet first? No breathing for that infant. Then they stab the infant with scissors into it's brain and vacuum out the brain material. Then they cut up the baby limb by limb and toss the pieces into the medical trashcan.

But because of buying off the politicians--he got a pass.

I've never shot anyone Bob, I use a car antenna to settle my disputes.

That is not true BB--there are claims that 70% were viable and would survive and were not dead.

#288 | Posted by MURPHY at 2009-06-03 09:59 PM | Reply | Flag:

Ther are claims HW Bush is a pedophile, with book, newspaper articles, and eywitnerss accounts as evidence. Do you believe those claims? Do you have as much evidence to support your charge against this doctor? I expect you don't have the logic or courage to answer those two question

That you would spread such unsubstantiated lies shows your Christian upbringing. FACTS are that this man was scrutinized in every action he took by people with attitudes every bit as radical as your own. If he had just ONCE did such a thing, he would have been vigorously prosecuted.
Do you know the altrnative to late term abortions? It is the same procedure except they dismember the fetus inside the uterus. Much riskier to the woman, since there is a much greater chance of leaving dead tissue behind that will decompose and cause infections. Much riskier to the woman---not that that bothers a fetus lover like yourself---but since the fetus was already dead before the abortion, I doubt it will save many lives.

You are a pure evil person. Evil in an insidious manner in that you think you are doing good.

This man never performed an abortion on a healthy fetus that wasn't a danger to the mother's life. To say otherwise is to spread malicious lies about a courageous American who faced death every day in service to women in need of specialized medical care.

This man saved the lives of thousands of women whose fetus was already dead or massively deformed, some with no brains or organs. Not that saving humans means anything to you---you would rather see a woman dead than see her already dead fetus aborted in a safe manner. As stated. You are evil.

#289 | Posted by r_zeitgeist at 2009-06-03 10:04 PM | Reply | Flag

Running from your moronic statements as usual. Here--take your ass with you.