Air France says the Airbus jet that disappeared en route from Rio de Janeiro to Paris sent an automatic signal indicating electrical problems while going through an area of strong turbulence.

Air France says in a statement the plane that carried 228 on board "crossed through a thunderous zone with strong turbulence" at 0200 GMT Monday (10:00 p.m. EDT Sunday).

Probably a blessing in disguise. There were going to France, after all.

"Air France says in a statement the plane that carried 228 on board "crossed through a thunderous zone with strong turbulence""

Must have not been aware of some sage advice:

"There is no reason to fly through a thunderstorm in peacetime." Sign over squadron ops desk at Davis-Monthan AFB, AZ, 1970. (It was still there
in 1972.)

Probably a blessing in disguise. There were going to France, after all.

#2 | Posted by goatman

That's a pretty low comment for you there, Goat. I would expect this from some of the other slobs on this page.

Dark humor, zot. Ever been to France? It sucks. Rudest people I've ever met

Ever been to France? It sucks. Rudest people I've ever met

#5 | Posted by goatman

While I have found that to be somewhat true of Parisians, my experience has been that the ordinary French folks around the country are quite friendly and hospitable. IMO, your generalization is unfair.

"your generalization is unfair."

Posted by SanAntonioRogue at 2009-06-01 09:34 AM

Frogs don't suffer assholes gladly.
France is a great place where they have incredible food, nuclear power and trains that work.

However, this is another reason I'll never set foot in a fucking POS Airbus.

IMO, your generalization is unfair.

I'm sure that's true. I've only been to Paris and Dunkirk. People outside the cities most anyplace are more down to earth.

But the city folks of France are ruder than any other city folks I've ever met -- even in NYC.

"[On the French] They don't seem to do foreign holidays, and with good reason. Does God leave heaven every August and take a vacation in hell? No. Well, why would anyone go abroad if they live in France?"

- Jeremy Clarkson

#8
Oh, the back handed compliment you give to us NY'ers.

IMO though, yes. Based on my somewhat limited experience with international clients.

While I have found that to be somewhat true of Parisians, my experience has been that the ordinary French folks around the country are quite friendly

That, and I was surprised at it, has also been my experience.

In fact, of all things, I met a Frenchman who was a big bluegrass fan, a banjo picker. He knew a lot more about American bluegrass than I did. I was blown away by it.. he also showed me video of a French Rodeo.. yep Rodeo.. AND it opened with the playing of the Star Spangled Banner.. go figure.

Ever been to France? It sucks. Rudest people I've ever met

#5 | Posted by goatman

I have. Even parler the lingo fairly well. Been to Paris a few times. For the most part, I found the French really not much different than other folk. Speak their language, or at least make the attempt, one is welcome. Come across as the "Ugly American," you'll get rebuffed.

Of course, Paris is Paris. City of Light. Center of culture and art. Hard not to cop an attitude to a degree. But I have also seen the hard side of Paris. Walked my feet off going into neighborhoods that the typical autobus turista doesn't venture. Definitely not where your classic pointy noise croissant munching beret wearing types one associates with the romantic Parisian stereotype live.

City of Light.

Is it anything link the City of Tiny Lights?

City of tiny lites
Don't you wanna go
Hear the tiny auto horns
When they tiny blow
Tiny lightnin'
In the storm
Tiny blankets
Gonna keep you warm
Tiny pillows
Tiny, tiny, tiny, tiny sheets
Talkin' bout the tiny cookies
That the peoples eats
Well city of tiny lites
Maybe you should know
That it's over there
In the tiny dirt somewhere

Probably Bush's fault.

tis a strange thing that, as people apparently perish, some find it a good time to show their anger and hatred towards a group of people.
say what you will about the french, paris is still the number one holiday destination in the world. o'reilly can't change that.

and having been there a number of times, i've never had a negative experience... which is more than i can say for the rest of europe. ever been to berlin?

zot has it right... if you make an effort and be polite, that is what you get back.
i've found americans to be amongst the rudest... even going so far as to break it down regionally... texans and califonians would top my list there.

and the french aren't fat and go shopping in a speedo and a t-shirt that hasn't fit them in years.

all the best.

I'll have to disagree about American's being the rudest. I have witnessed Australians that would put the worst among us to shame.

"texans and califonians would top my list there"

When I'm in Europe I say (truthfully) that I was born in Germany when the Texans at the next table in some bistro are embarrassing me.

Some French people are rude, so a couple hundred people had to die?

Shame on you.

Zorg, good idea...much less embarrassing to belong to the country that murdered millions of civilians in concentration camps and invaded the country in which the bistro you are at is located.

God. This is why I don't fly.

I have to go sometime, and I have to go somehow.

But I'll be good and goddamned if I'll do it in an out-of-control tin can full of screaming, defecating people.

I want to die in my sleep like my grandfather...not screaming in fear like his passengers.

Any chance Pelosi was aboard.....? Probably not, we would have heard her screeching by now....When an earlier poster said an "out of control tin can full of screaming, defecating people", why the Speaker of the House and all the Dems leaped to mind....

Any chance Pelosi was aboard.....?

No,no chance Pelosi is a broad...she's a man baby!

"Probably a blessing in disguise. There were going to France, after all.

#2 | Posted by goatman at 2009-06-01 08:30 AM | Reply | Flag: I'M SURE YOUR DEAD WIFE IS BETTER OFF

I'M SURE YOUR DEAD WIFE IS BETTER OFF

*yawn*

Doesn't the old "dead wife" stuff seem a little juvenile -- especially since you have to copy it from someone else? Or are you the same person and just cowardly changed your handle?

Grow up.

I see I own one more troll to add to my collection.

"Probably a blessing in disguise. There were going to France, after all.

#2 | Posted by goatman at 2009-06-01 08:30 AM | Reply | Flag: I'M SURE YOUR DEAD WIFE IS BETTER OFF

#24 | Posted by Big_League_Chew at 2009-06-01 02:14 PM

And we would all be better off if you'd just shut your fat mouth.

Troll? You're the troll, cupcake. Making a stale French joke about 230 people losing their lives is nothing but the lowest form of troll-dom. I call an asshole and asshole, and you're an asshole. I don't care if you've got the rest of the site to stick up for you. You should have been on that plane.

"I'm sure that's true. I've only been to Paris and Dunkirk. People outside the cities most anyplace are more down to earth.

But the city folks of France are ruder than any other city folks I've ever met -- even in NYC.

#8 | Posted by goatman"

GoatTroll, I've been to Paris at least half a dozen times. Always had a good time. Of course I tried to be respectful, spoke a few french words and tried to fit in with local customs.

A couple cases in point I was at a great seafood restaurant and ordered some oysters. The french raise the best oysters. (the top US oyster farms copy them). When I asked for tabasco my friend said the waiter had a look of disgust on his face. When he came back with the tabasco I asked him if I shouldn't use it this got an enthusiastic nod. Afterwards he was the best waiter. I also haven't used tabasco on oysters since and make sure not to eat crap oysters either.

second point was going into a restaurant and being asked by the waiter what wine I would like. I said I didn't know a thing about French wine could he help me. His first comment was how much I wanted to spend and what type of wine. red and white, max 50 euro a bottle. He then spent about 15 minutes walking through the various wines, how to select the best wine by vintage and how to match them up with our menu. Had a great dinner. We were the last table in the place and were never rushed to leave.

GoatTroll you sound so clueless as usual. Get a bit of understanding of the world.

France is great....it is the French that suck. Same problem with Canada =P

Hi, troll! Didja dream about my fat hairy body last night, sweets? Obviously you are thinking about me enough to troll me.

GoatTroll you sound so clueless as usual. Get a bit of understanding of the world.

I've been to 33 countries. I've got a pretty good understanding of it, furrytroll. I still think Paris sucks, regardless of your meaningless oyster experience.

"Probably a blessing in disguise. There were going to France, after all.
#2 | Posted by goatman at 2009-06-01 08:30 AM"

I'm trolling you, Mr. Sensitive, I'm responding to your posts above. It's what people do here, in case you haven't noticed. Don't be such a pussboy.

I call an asshole and asshole, and you're an asshole.

Actually, you made a lame joke about my wife, but whatever -- you are right: I'm an asshole. I've never denied it. So?

Next.

You're the troll, cupcake.

I know I am not an asshole because I can see my asshole and therefore know it is not the entirety of my being.

I'm trolling you,

I know you are. That's what I said. duh

France is great....it is the French that suck.

"The problem with Scotland is that it is full of Scots"

Edward I
Braveheart

I paraphrased a Mel Gibson movie? ACK! Ok, a good one, but still. Damnit!

Actually Mel Gibson cribbed that line. I've heard it in many forms my whole life.

Thank G-d. If I get caught quoting Mel Gibson, they make me reattach my foreskin

much less embarrassing to belong to the country that murdered millions of civilians in concentration camps and invaded the country in which the bistro you are at is located.

#19 | Posted by brentrice1

Or less embarrassing to belong to the country that murdered 100s of thousands of indigenes, stole their lands, exterminated the main food source for for those on the plains, placed thousands of them on the reservations (where many remain today in poverty, unwelcome in their "own" country), forced-marched thousands across the plains during which thousands died, and invaded the country in which the strip dive you are at is located.

Your a real piece of work you are. Mebbe mouths like you just need to Shut The Fuck Up.

Goat Troll {heh}

You're so cuuuuuuute!

When I asked for tabasco my friend said the waiter had a look of disgust on his face.

#30 | Posted by furio

Next time ask for catsup. You'll be the fastest deportation in French history.

I still think Paris sucks..

#34 | Posted by goatman

I think that if you would have gotten sucked in Paris instead on La Rive Gauche (or was it La Rive Droite?) in the Delhy Hotel, you'd have a different take on it.

You're so cuuuuuuute!

*blush*

Thanks!

Next time ask for catsup. You'll be the fastest deportation in French history.

Or butter for the bread

I can't stand the salad at the end of the meal thing as they do there, either.

Wasn't it furrytroll who a few months ago was trying to impress everyone of his worldliness by telling them how great the Jules Verne restaurant at the Eiffel tower was until a couple of other posters told the truth about it and how bad it really was?

Since then I've heard from a couple of other people that it really sucked, too.

"I'm trolling you, Mr. Sensitive...
#35 | Posted by mOntecOre"

D'oh! Reminds me of this one:

"And I'll bet you wonder why one one takes you seriously...
#17 | Posted by goatman at 2009-06-01 10:57 AM"

"Wasn't it furrytroll who a few months ago was trying to impress everyone of his worldliness by telling them how great the Jules Verne restaurant at the Eiffel tower was until a couple of other posters told the truth about it and how bad it really was?

Since then I've heard from a couple of other people that it really sucked, too.

#51 | Posted by goatman "

No GoatTroll it wasn't me. Try not to make shit up.

"France is great...."

Ha! Well you have about another 15 years tops to enjoy it and then it will be France no more.

Be careful what you ask for.

"I've been to 33 countries. I've got a pretty good understanding of it, furrytroll. I still think Paris sucks, regardless of your meaningless oyster experience.

#34 | Posted by goatman "

GoatTroll, walking around a city for a couple of hours while you were in the Navy doesn't count worth much. Neither does spending time on a Navy base.

" the Jules Verne restaurant at the Eiffel tower "

That place sucks.

Here, a few suggestions ...

That place sucks.

I've never been there, but from what I hear from most people, they agree with you.

GoatTroll, walking around a city for a couple of hours while you were in the Navy doesn't count worth much. Neither does spending time on a Navy base

You are right, of course. That is why I always left the base and stayed for several days, ate at the local restaurants and went to the out of the way places.

Next troll attempt, please? I'm ready.

Try not to make shit up.

I didn't make anything up. I asked question.

I used to wonder if you are as dense as you appear most of the time or if you were playing the part of an internet fool. I don't think I need to wonder about that much longer.

D'oh! Reminds me of this one:

Really? You admitting you are a troll reminds yourself of the word 'one' spelled twice?

What a strange thought process you possess.

"You are right, of course. That is why I always left the base and stayed for several days, ate at the local restaurants and went to the out of the way places.

Next troll attempt, please? I'm ready.

#59 | Posted by goatman"

GoatTroll, if you lived as a civilian for a couple of months or even a couple of weeks in a foreign country would count far more than 1-2 days in 33 countries. Being a tourist and living in a place are very different experiences.

"Really? You admitting you are a troll reminds yourself of the word 'one' spelled twice?

#61 | Posted by goatman at 2009-06-01 05:00 PM"

No, dickface - my typing error reminded me of your typing error. Next?

No, dickface - my typing error reminded me of your typing error

ooh -- name calling. the troll is getting frustrated. LOL

You call it a typing error, I call it a Freudian slip.

"GoatTroll, if you lived as a civilian for a couple of months or even a couple of weeks in a foreign country would count far more than 1-2 days in 33 countries. Being a tourist and living in a place are very different experiences.

#63 | Posted by furio at 2009-06-01 05:06 PM"

Not to The Amazing Squid Goatman, who can take in an entire country in 2 or 3 days. If you haven't noticed, Goat-Know-It-All is rather quick to judgment about, well, about everything.

GoatTroll, if you lived as a civilian for a couple of months or even a couple of weeks in a foreign country would count far more than 1-2 days in 33 countries. Being a tourist and living in a place are very different experiences.

???

OK? YOur point? You've lived in 33 different countries? Good for you, oh worldly one. I am so impressed!

If you haven't noticed, Goat-Know-It-All is rather quick to judgment about, well, about everything.

Judgement is what this place is about.

politics
culture
religion
sports
constitutional law
military
CIA
explosives experts
natural disasters
weather
space exploration
aviation
Commerce/industry
etc.....

I call it a Freudian slip.

#65 | Posted by goatman at 2009-06-01 05:07 PM | Reply | Flag: No One Cares

#69 | Posted by mOntecOre at 2009-06-01 05:13 PM | Reply | Flag: Brings up things no one cares about

"#70 | Posted by goatman at 2009-06-01 05:15 PM"

Finds himself incredibly interesting.

"Freudian slip"

J Edgar Hoover liked to wear women's underwear, too.

Finds himself incredibly interesting

Why should I be the exception?

"OK? YOur point? You've lived in 33 different countries? Good for you, oh worldly one. I am so impressed!

#67 | Posted by goatman "

GoatTroll, you don't see me listing the numbers of countries I have been in for 24 hours like some cheap Japanese tourist do you?

Your problem is you think because of some limited experience you know everything about something. Sadly you are probably the wild adventurer as compared to your contemporaries in Texas.

If you knew half as much as you think you do you'd know twice as much as you really do.

"If you knew half as much as you think you do you'd know twice as much as you really do."

Now that hurts.
GL3

A couple cases in point I was at a great seafood restaurant and ordered some oysters. The french raise the best oysters. (the top US oyster farms copy them). When I asked for tabasco my friend said the waiter had a look of disgust on his face. When he came back with the tabasco I asked him if I shouldn't use it this got an enthusiastic nod. Afterwards he was the best waiter. I also haven't used tabasco on oysters since and make sure not to eat crap oysters either.

GoatTroll you sound so clueless as usual. Get a bit of understanding of the world.

#30 | Posted by furio

Great. A French waiter turned you off of one of the best ways to eat an oyster. And I don't care if they were "French" oysters. Tobasco sauce and cocktail sauce are excellent ways to eat oysters. But you had your mind changed by a waiter. How nice.

Cocktail sauce? Are you kidding? Don't ruin a good oyster that way, Everlong - even if the sauce has your favorite word in its name.

Interesting Thread.

Can I get an estimate of how many "Amercicans" have to die in a plane crash before you folks actually give a shit?

Obviously 2 doesn't do it.

Or is it just the lack of an obvious terrorist angle? Or it wasn't a Boeing? Didn't take off from Houston? It was headed for Paris but she wasn't actually on it?

Sheesh.

Most of the world is curious about what happened to the plane and where it might be, but here we are are more interested in playing the daily "he trolled me first" game?

Wow.

Yup, interesting thread...

One of the chemtrail canisters blew up and blew the wing off.
That's all I have to say about that.

JeffnDenmark

Lol or they just got lost in the storm and flew through their own chemtrails...

And seriously folks...?

:-)

You dipshits are saying it's justified since the French are "rude". There were 228 people on that plane of all nationalities. They deserve prayers not judgements.

Wayne

"Great. A French waiter turned you off of one of the best ways to eat an oyster. And I don't care if they were "French" oysters. Tobasco sauce and cocktail sauce are excellent ways to eat oysters. But you had your mind changed by a waiter. How nice.

#76 | Posted by everlong "

No you ignorant fool tabasco occludes the flavor. If you are eating gulf oysters from the mud I can understand using tabasco since they taste like shit.

The French have given us food, democracy and helped out in the Revolution.

A snail walks into a Nissan dealership and picks out a Z.

He tells the salesman, "there's one additional thing I want. Pat big S's on the hood and sides".

"Why", asked the salesman.

"So when I go whizzing by they'll all say, 'look at that S car go!"

*groan*

I feel sympathy for the families of those who were lost on this flight.

I wonder if the problem was a design fault? And, if so, will the country of France have financial liability? Talk about deep pockets for lawyers... the families won't get a dime, but in 2 or 3 generations, the law firms will all be RICH.

I am just SO GLAD that my life isn't riding on a vehicle built by the gov't... oh, wait... damn... forgot about GM... hope they don't buy Boing and Ford.

Probably a blessing in disguise. There were going to France, after all.

#2 | Posted by goatman at 2009-06-01 08:30 AM | Reply | Flag:

YEAH. FUCK 'EM ALL......we know that they couldn't have been taking another flight to elsewhere. They must have been going to France as their final destination so this is a blessing.

Tool.

"I wonder if the problem was a design fault? And, if so, will the country of France have financial liability? Talk about deep pockets for lawyers... the families won't get a dime, but in 2 or 3 generations, the law firms will all be RICH."

1Lib,

If you don't like a world with lawyers imagine what it would be like without them. Just because you a naive enough to believe that everyone will settle their differences simply and fairly doesn't mean it has a chance in hell of happening.

Lawyers are simply filling a demand of society.

blame society not lawyers

Any chance Pelosi was aboard.....? Probably not, we would have heard her screeching by now....When an earlier poster said an "out of control tin can full of screaming, defecating people", why the Speaker of the House and all the Dems leaped to mind....

#22 | Posted by bumpkin44 at 2009-06-01 01:32 PM | Reply | Flag:

Why? Are you asking why?

OK. My Guess.....you're an ass.

"Any chance Pelosi was aboard.....? Probably not, we would have heard her screeching by now....When an earlier poster said an "out of control tin can full of screaming, defecating people", why the Speaker of the House and all the Dems leaped to mind....

#22 | Posted by bumpkin44"

Either that or the tilt-a-whirl at the 4th of July fair in your white trash, shit hole town.

Lawyers are simply filling a demand of society.

blame society not lawyers

#87 | Posted by furio at 2009-06-02 04:51 AM | Reply | Flag:

While lawyers are a necessity, many of them simply create cases where there should be none. Take a simple, amicable divorce. By the time the lawyers get done, it's a cutthroat power/money grab that turns both sides into complete monsters.

These 'lawyers' who are always looking for 'victims' are the worst and are part of what is wrong with society today.

I threw up in Paris once. It was so romantic.

Without reading the thread, there has to be at least one "The plane surrendered to the ocean" joke, right?

"I think I Can-can, I think I Can-can," said the little French Airbus That Thought It Could-could.

"And, if so, will the country of France have financial liability?

#85 | Posted by 1libertarian at 2009-06-02 04:38 AM"

No. It enjoys sovereign immunity, unless it waives it, and French culture is very anti-consumer/injury lawsuit. Id' be surprised if it has opened itself up to such lawsuits.

The three times I rode on Airbus aircraft, I believe they were A310's, at engine start-up, the cabin was filled with the stench of hot kerosene. It's the only commercial aircraft on which I've ridden that had that characteristic. I much prefer Boeing or Douglas aircraft.

"The three times I rode on Airbus aircraft, I believe they were A310's, at engine start-up, the cabin was filled with the stench of hot kerosene. It's the only commercial aircraft on which I've ridden that had that characteristic. I much prefer Boeing or Douglas aircraft.

#95 | Posted by Vancouver_Bob"

Idiot, the only reason why you would smell kerosene on startup is because the crew left the ventilation system open. It has nothing to do with the make of the plane.

I guess this was the only flight in your life pops?

I guess this was the only flight in your life pops?

#96 | Posted by furio at 2009-06-02 03:54 PM | Reply |

What a fucking retard.
Hey furryhole, tell the class how VancouverBob states "The three times I rode on Airbus aircraft..." could lead you to believe he's only taken one flight in his life?

You're pretty stupid, aren't you?

"What a fucking retard.
Hey furryhole, tell the class how VancouverBob states "The three times I rode on Airbus aircraft..." could lead you to believe he's only taken one flight in his life?

You're pretty stupid, aren't you?

#97 | Posted by 101Chairborne "

No shit StillBorne I read his comment and thought he is full of shit and making up his story. What about you asshole can you also smell the difference between Boeing and Airbus?

Am I now supposed to believe every story some shitbag posts on Drudge? How about AmericanUnity stories?

How about AmericanUnity stories?

#98 | Posted by furio at 2009-06-02 04:18 PM | Reply

JESUS CHRIST! Whatever you do, don't believe one of those, ever.

"How about AmericanUnity stories?

#98 | Posted by furio at 2009-06-02 04:18 PM | Reply

JESUS CHRIST! Whatever you do, don't believe one of those, ever.

#99 | Posted by 101Chairborne "

Yeah that's right. We just don't want to go there and turn that rock over, do we?

We just don't want to go there and turn that rock over, do we?

#100 | Posted by furio at 2009-06-02 04:36 PM | Reply

I keep turning it over and he keeps trying to run away from answering 4 direct questions about his lies.

"I keep turning it over and he keeps trying to run away from answering 4 direct questions about his lies.

#101 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2009-06-02 04:40 PM | Reply | Flag"

AU is a wanker with few friends and the couple he does have are losers like himself who will tolerate his obvious bullshit stories because he tolerates their own fucked up personality flaws. Of course he thinks they will work in a public forum like this because he is allowed continuous participation unlike the real world where is ignored after sentence one.

Furio gets a vote for Best Deflection of the Day! After being on the verge of having his cyber ass kicked and made to look silly by 101, he materfully plays the ultrapowerful AU card, and skates away unharmed. Nice play, Furio!

"Furio gets a vote for Best Deflection of the Day! After being on the verge of having his cyber ass kicked and made to look silly by 101, he materfully plays the ultrapowerful AU card, and skates away unharmed. Nice play, Furio!

#103 | Posted by mOntecOre"

MontWhore, don't be shy. If you really want to swallow StillBorne's chowder just ask him directly.

How about AmericanUnity stories?

#98 | Posted by furio

"It was a dark and stormy night...

I found myself on an Air France flight headed for Rio de Janeiro where we had been booked for months to play a gig during Carnival in the lounge at the Sofitel Rio.

Barely an hour into the flight and with a half-finished cocktail still in my hand, all of the sudden the plane started to shutter violently, the lights flickered and then the interior of the plane went pitch black. A couple of women on the flight had started to cry and then the fearful woman sitting next to me grabbed me by the hand and squeezed it tight....."

(Just having fun, AU. I, for one, happen to love your stories. lol)

"#104 | Posted by furio at 2009-06-02 05:13 PM"

Hey, dickface, I was giving you a compliment. Just say "Thank you Mr. mOntecOre Sir," and move on. No need to go all ghey on us.