You really don't expect two former Presidents to pointedly criticize each other or even a sitting President do you? For any faults that their Presidency may have had they realize the stress of the job.

Too bad Carter doesn't have that kinda class.

To Carter having no class I say rubbish. Takes more class to criticize a sitting President from a former sitting president than it does to remain silent. Only classles cowardly ones say absolutely nothing when they know they should say something.

Oh and since Bush Sr "adopted" Bill for Hiis own Son that automatically makes Him Dubya's brother like duh

Larry

Takes more class to criticize a sitting President from a former sitting president than it does to remain silent.

I disagree, Larry. A former president is just that -- a former president. He should let the other 299,999,999 people in the country do the criticism.

An ex-president criticizing a sitting president has no class. This is especially true when the ex-president in question lost his his bid for re-election. If his opinions held any weight he would have served two terms.

Takes more class to criticize a sitting President from a former sitting president than it does to remain silent.

Larry

#2 | Posted by LarryMohr

I disagree too. Larry, one thing I have learned since I starting dabbling in the stock market is that this country waxes and wanes based on emotion more than hard economic factors.

The only reason we are not swamped in a major depression right now is because of the in-bred strength and versatility of the american character simply will not let that happen without a good fight.

Most people want to be led. They want leaders that will do the thinking so they don't have to. When people see those leaders sniping at each other like a miserable drunken couple, they loose confidence.

Since no one knows what tomorrow will bring, we all can only base our attitudes and extend our faith to those that seem deserving. Obama has a nice calm demeanor and he is confident and very intelligent. America needs that now (for the sake of the economy if nothing else) and Bush/Clinton/Bush 1/Carter all know that.

I want to give a big shout-out to Former Prez's Bush and Clinton for showing such class and not making me feel embarrassed to be an american for once.

I disagree, Larry. A former president is just that -- a former president. He should let the other 299,999,999 people in the country do the criticism.

An ex-president criticizing a sitting president has no class. This is especially true when the ex-president in question lost his his bid for re-election. If his opinions held any weight he would have served two terms.

#3 | Posted by goatman at 2009-05-30 08:48 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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A Former President was an AMerican before during and after becoming a President first and foremost. He or She(If we ever get a female President) was an American long before they reached the WhiteHouse. Their loyalty is to the very fabric of America and Americana. If trhey refused to speak out they are cowards. For You see real Americans speak out during times of great crisis NO MATTER their previous Station in life.

Larry

For You see real Americans speak out during times of great crisis NO MATTER their previous Station in life

An elegant ex-president with keeps quiet. It is classless to do otherwise. Especially with Carter, the loser. Who respects the words of a loser? It's like the Bronze medal winner telling the Gold that he doesn't know what he is doing.

If Carter knew what he was talking about his resume would read:

January 1977 to January 1985 President of the United States of America

No wonder some of us think Goatman is just full of shit that talks like a man with a paper asshole the shit just keeps spewing forth from His mouth. So in order for Carter to somehow know what He is talking about He needed to win both terms in office?? What utter and complete bullshittery You spew Goatman. Quite typical of You though I am afraid.

Larry

No wonder some of us think Goatman is just full of shit that talks like a man with a paper asshole the shit just keeps spewing forth from His mouth

Larry, I present my feelings in a civil manner and your reply is a potty mouthed ad hominem attack with no substance.

That pretty much says it all. And as you say: quite typical.

And what of Former Vice Presidents?

To Carter having no class I say rubbish. Takes more class to criticize a sitting President from a former sitting president than it does to remain silent. Only classles cowardly ones say absolutely nothing when they know they should say something.

Oh and since Bush Sr "adopted" Bill for Hiis own Son that automatically makes Him Dubya's brother like duh

Larry

you obviously are confused and you arent able to recognize integrity when you see it but being a democrat supporter thats not all that unusal

and bush was wrong...blowjob HAS gone after him but he usually had to go overseas to do since I GUESS he didnt think we would find out.
but what about bygones and burying the hatchet?

I GUESS he didnt think we would find out.
but what about bygones and burying the hatchet?

LOL

And Cheney?

Bush declined to criticize the Obama dministration, in contrast to former Vice President Dick Cheney,

HA!!!! Seems to me he has just been defending himself. BHO never misses a chance to slam the previous administration.

Carter has no class.

He was a terrible POTUS as well.

BHO never misses a chance to slam the previous administration.

#12 | Posted by Sniper

It's always someone else's fault when it comes to Obama. Not just the Bush Administration.

Guess that makes Cheney the red-headed step child nobody wants!

Bozo had TWO illegitimate sons??

Need we say more?

It doesn't make a drop of pisses difference to the average American which brand of the primary criminal conspiracy's is in charge in this country. The real reason Wall Street backed Obama so early is it would put a newer kinder face on their plans to continue to rape pillage and plunder without gaining the attention of law enforcement they deserves.

TORONTO | Former President George W. Bush, appearing Friday with his predecessor, Bill Clinton, in what turned out to be a collegial conversation rather than a spirited debate, once again said he would not criticize President Obama then proceeded to do just that.

If anybody is still talking about "CLASS" how about - no former President with any CLASS would engage in this sort of paid-for conversation.

But Clinton was always vulgar and like Bush will do anything for bucks.

The both disgrace MY sense of what is classy.

The one who shows no class or common sense here is Bill Clinton. Both George Bushes have befreinded him and emasculated him. They sold our country down the river and he helped them do it. Jimmy Carter told us what we needed to do in this country but REagan got elected and now our formerly great nation is a memory. The whole idea that former presidents somehow owe other former presidents some sort of noncritical pass on the destructive policies they pursued insults the momories of the American troops who died carrying out their orders, the foreign nationals who have died by the hundreds of thousands because of their misbegoten wars and the American citizens now impoverished by the crony capitalism allowed by those two spoiled rich sons of a traitor who helped Hitler. I think Bill Clinton besmirched his own legacy so thoroughly in the Lewinsky scandal that he hungers for a pretense of respect from the former rulers who's crimes will go unpunished.
What is the most dispicable about the whole idea is that all three of those former presidents oversaw the demise of this country and now parade around as if they are heros. All three are the opposite of heros. I wouldn't walk across the street to see or hear any of them and none of them are worthy of shining Jimmy Carter's shoes.

America- Going to hell since 1979.

Bush is a classy person, the entire Bush family is. I never voted for Clinton, but overall, he's been a classy ex president. Always amazes me that people who've accomplished nothing whatsoever in their lives somehow decide to brutally criticize those who have.

"Bush is a classy person, the entire Bush family is."

Remember "Read my lips: no new taxes?"
These people are WASP parasites. All they think of is the family fortune. Yes, the conspiracy nuts went way too far in their accusations against the Bush family, but they sold out Republicans just as Clinton sold out my party. I can't fill my bladder enough to shower them with the accolades they deserve.

Even though I never cared for Bush that much I am starting to believe he was a decent guy that was really misguided by Cheney and Rove. Cheney is a completer tool that should be locked up in supermax. I do like the fact he has kept quiet about Obama. He seems generally glad that his time in office is up while Cheney still yearns for the spotlight.

Is a "completer tool" one of those latex extension attachments?

Since Bush did actually get a shot in at Obama on foreign policy, I'm assuming all you righties are saying Bush has no class, either.

used to believe in free speech

Bubba's pulled in close to 40 Million in "speakers fees" since leaving office.

If he had been openly vocally critical of the BushCo regime (as Spud felt he shoulda been) those numbers woulda been waaaay lower.

Funniest part of this story is how it's being played in Canada. Nobody's really talking that much about the overly cosy Clinton Bush connection so much as people are openly wondering if Canada was right to invite wot many percieve to be a war criminal into Canada. At one demonstation outside the venue in Toronto where Bush and Clinton spoke a crowd gathered to hurl shoes at a huge picture of Bush. Bush supporters were noticably absent unless you count the security detail.

Onto the side topic that's emerged on this thread.

To whit... Should a former POTUS or Veep speak out against the new guys when they leave office?

Coupla things.

First, who the fuck else in the world is more qualified to judge a sitting Pres or Veep than a previous Pres or Veep?

Second, Carter is not classless, he's the best living president you guys got at present.

Cheney? Now *there's* a classless asshole.

They both speak out against wot they percieve as mistakes by new admins.

Difference is that Cheney is an overly obvious ass-covering war criminal who lies through his teeth and Carter is mostly right.

Especially about Israel.

Be Well.

"Difference is that Cheney is an overly obvious ass-covering war criminal who lies through his teeth and Carter is mostly right."

A very MSNBC-ish analysis!!

Clinton and Bush brothers?

No shit.

No wonder some of us think Goatman is just full of shit that talks like a man with a paper asshole the shit just keeps spewing forth from His mouth

Larry, I present my feelings in a civil manner and your reply is a potty mouthed ad hominem attack with no substance.

That pretty much says it all. And as you say: quite typical.

#8 | Posted by goatman at 2009-05-30 10:08 AM | Reply | Flag:

Yeah, I picked up on that too. I have found that, if it can't be said without resorting to profanity, it's probably not worth hearing...particularly when directed at the messenger and not the issue.

"Bush Calls Clinton His 'Brother'"

....ah...perhaps a more fitting and accurate phrase would be "Bush Calls Clinton His 'Co-Conspirator'!!!

And what of Former Vice Presidents?

Excellent question. When it comes to former VPs- no holds barred. Say whatever you want. Dissent and criticism is part of our tradition.

Hell, no comments could have been more incendiary than an Al Gore speech leading up to the 2004 election. Other than his Cujo-esque foaming at the mouth; I had no problem with him speaking his mind.

Personally, I think former presidents should keep quiet regarding their predecessors. It's kinda a fraternity thing; or more a mutual respect/understanding of the tremendous difficulties that the office represents. We are not in shortage of political criticism in this country. For a small handful of living former presidents to remain mum and let everybody else speak their minds is not too much to ask.

Having said all of this; I wish Cheney would primarilly limit his commentary to defending Obama's relentless deflections to Bush-admin. failings and less so toward staunch criticisms of Obama policies. I expect this shit from Al Gore, who has always been a blowhard. Cheney has always been a behind-the-scenes type of guy, and given his rock-bottom approval ratings, his criticisms are probably helping Obama.

I guess it all boils down to what is CORRECT for America at any certain time frame. Think about it the President is the highest ranking civilian employEE therefore He is beholden to everyone. When that former employEE leaves office they become the employER therefore their words need be heard good or bad. After all who better that a former President to speak out during times of great importance and great Crisis.Their words and their impact hold more weight than say the average joe's. Think about it being a former steward seeing the error in the current stewards ways and voices that dissent to the masses. Who would YOU take more seriously JeffJ Me or a former President.

Larry

HA!!!! Seems to me he has just been defending himself. BHO never misses a chance to slam the previous administration.

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You delusional as usual....

Cheney is never going to shut up. For Cheney to remain silent would be a grave error. It's like he's got to keep the lies rolling to keep from being overtaked by them.

#20 | Posted by danni at 2009-05-30 04:30 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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I tend to agree with you Danni.

Jimma Carter was the by-product of a criminal Nixon Administration. Meaning he was elected much the way Obamma was. "CHANGE"

He had some incredible Ideas on conservation of energy. (which the righties laughed at) When Gasoline hit 4 bucks a gallon last summer Ole Jimma's ideas looked pretty good.

As far BEING CRITICAL goes .... If you are bringing the character of a critic into question GWB and Cheney are two of the raunchiest i've seen.

Be sure to ask decorated war hero John McCain what his buddy GWB said about his service in Nam.

W is trying to gain face with his empty words.Don't think many are buying it.

"Bush is a classy person, the entire Bush family is. I never voted for Clinton, but overall, he's been a classy ex president. Always amazes me that people who've accomplished nothing whatsoever in their lives somehow decide to brutally criticize those who have."

This is lol funny!!!!!!!!!

Complete and utter HORSE SHITE

Too bad Carter doesn't have that kinda class.

Carter's been out of the White House for 29 years. He's devoted years of his life to election accountability, Middle East peace and affordable housing. Why should he spend his entire post-presidential life avoiding criticism of the current president, particularly when it's about one of those three issues?

I think there's a good reason for decorum when you're immediately out of office, but at some point a president should be encouraged to speak freely like any other former official.

Why should he spend his entire post-presidential life avoiding criticism of the current president, particularly when it's about one of those three issues?

It taints his legacy to be the first ex-president to do this. It shows a lack of class and pettiness. He should be above small-minded criticism.

Also, he failed to get re-elected and botched his term so badly it looks like (as I noted yesterday) he is the bronze telling the gold how to play the game.

Most of his other post-presidential enterprises are to be commended, however.

The brothers are bonded by being the two Americans most responsible for 9/11.

It taints his legacy to be the first ex-president to do this. It shows a lack of class and pettiness. He should be above small-minded criticism.

Also, he failed to get re-elected and botched his term so badly it looks like (as I noted yesterday) he is the bronze telling the gold how to play the game.

Most of his other post-presidential enterprises are to be commended, however.

#39 | Posted by goatman at 2009-05-31 10:45 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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I agree with you on the "pettiness" and "small-minded criticism".. However, a lot of what Carter has said isn't petty.

The last decade has brought us a new era in politics called Character Assassination. Bought and paid for primarily by the Republican Party(Rove)

As I stated in an earlier post Bush and Cheney have the worst reputation when it comes to criticism. Just ask McCain...

What a bunch of crap. The only reason Incurious George is buddy buddy with Bubba is that Laura shut him off and Condi dumped him and he's looking to snag some strange skank.

It says something about the boomer generation that we elected a pair of party boys to office.

Cocaine has been known to affect the frontal lobe and destroy the region associated with our conscience. This pair has no remorse though their social and political agendas were implemented in classic Machiavellian style.

Clinton let the Dogs out and Bush fed them America. The partisan bickering is music to their ears. A Divided House is Easiest to Rule. Especially when Congress sold itself to the bankers and corporatist lobby so any real dissent is mere quibbling over the Spoils. Well, there have been Spoils Aplenty and all the Right People profited.

Now Pappy and the Boys can party together.

The Three Amigos!

Uggh!
Clinton and bushbabie BROTHERS?
B lech! If someone told me babs was now MY mother-I'd kill myself.

It taints his legacy to be the first ex-president to do this.

He's not the first ex-president to speak out on issues of concern after his term in office ended.

I GUESS he didnt think we would find out.
but what about bygones and burying the hatchet?

LOL

And Cheney?

#11 | Posted by Zap at 2009

cheney has been attacked almost more than me and he has a right to speak out and tell the world how the left has been lying about him and the memos and all that.
Im sorry that you apparently are against the truth coming out or even against someone using thier freedom of speech.

and YES I know I go after carter but he still has a right to run his mouth and then we have a right to remind everyone what this country was like from 1976 to 1980 too

all my life i,ve seen ex presidents hold their tongues as a tradition politicians do not as a rule dislike each other jus their points of view-carter is an exception a lot of his talk i believe is driven by envy-he seems to think isreal is the real evil in the middle east ignorin the fact that every time isreal traded land for peace(lebanon-gaza) all it did was bring terrorism closer
jasman

Who are these hundreds of "dorks" protesting and throwing shoes?. Why don't they throw shoes at Obama for continuing Bushes policies? WHy aren't they throwing shoes at The Dictator Of Rwanda, N. Korea, Iran, Venezuela, How about Stalin, Hilter, Pol Pot, Mussolini, Mugabe,Peron They has been out of power for a while. And what The F*** is Canada good for anyway.

Talk about whiney, miserable people,