I'd put Levin's credibility far ahead of Cheney's, he is a known, proven LIAR who has his own personal reasons to lie. Levin does not face any legal prosecution reardless of what the docs say and he is in favor or releasing them.

Levin has credibility, are you kidding?

I'd put Levin's credibility far ahead of Cheney's,

#1 | Posted by danni at 2009-05-29 12:56 PM | Reply

Of course you would, Danni. Levin has the magic 'D' after his name, which washes everything clean, always.

What a partisan hack!

Vern worships Cheney and thinks that Rummy was the absolute bestest Sec of Def evah!

I live in MI and am not at all impressed with Levin. Cripe look at what the dems in general have done to our state.

He and Stabenow run around worried about Bush while our state flounders. They live in the past while the state suffers.

My only hope is that because they are doing such a poor job enough people move out of Detroit and the state so that we can elect someone who represents the whole state rather than the special intrests in Detroit.

Let's talk about when Cheney HASN'T been a liar.

It's shorter list.

What's all this crap about whether torture has ever really worked? Who cares - it's TORTURE.
We (Americans) are aupposed to be better than that. Some of us apparently are not.

And if it can work - and it's OK - why isn't it legal for cops to use it?

As Jesse said "We only seem to waterboard Arabs"

This will remain a "he said she said" scenario until the docs are released. but as hp said, it's not about whether or not it worked, it's torture. Cheney has at least achieved that: shifting the debate to the effectiveness of torture, not torture itself.

Some liberals are trying to crucify Bush and his cohorts.... but the dems knew that would be a dangerous move, plus many of their own will be burnt in the process....

So now this war of words is carried on in the hope that those bloodthirsty liberals will be appeased (with the idea that the dems tried).

Not necessarily to relief Obama for his heroic intention ('I tried to close Gitmo'), but I can see some sense in transferring those inmates to Montana to create jobs for the folks there.

It's easy for Levin to lie his ass off because he knows those documents will never be released. If what Levin says is true, on the other hand, then the documents WOULD be released. Kinda like birth certificates.

Levin is a yellow spined shit head Democrat....like all Democrats!

Take it to the bank!

Takitez,

Let them fall, dems or reps. Aren't you more concerned about the truth? About finding out if one of the fundamental values of your country was violated and, if so, prosecuting the guilty?

Call his bluff. If there's nothing in the documents release them. Put up or shut up.

Or you can be a child and try to have it both ways.

cheney is one useless chickenhawk liar and professional pos

#11 Pancho, I'm not saying 'do' or 'don't', but simply offering an assessment/analysis.

My guess is that Cheney wants the documents released in order to provide a framework for a defense based on "National Security" and polluted jury pools.

see, this is why torturing is a bad idea, because then it becomes some ugly debate over who we torure and when and why... at least not doing it is a helluva lot easier.

I'd put Levin's credibility far ahead of Cheney's, he is a known, proven LIAR who has his own personal reasons to lie. Levin does not face any legal prosecution reardless of what the docs say and he is in favor or releasing them.

#1 | Posted by danni at 2009-05-29 12:56 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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Levin has credibility, are you kidding?

#2 | Posted by nmg_no at 2009

AH GOOD
lets start the day out with putting up shit from both sides

this all is SO EASY to take care of and get it over with

MISTER PRESIDENT
you think its okay to release black panther CRIMINALS, so why not release these memos and we can see for ourselves?

3 slime balls were waterboarded, not tortured. Show me the scars of their torture.

Realease the documents and prove Cheney wrong. That would be simple enough.

What a partisan hack!

#3 | POSTED BY VERNON

What a nonpartisan remark!

SNIPER

DITTO

I just dont get it...well I really do ..but again

obama could take this off the table at least sooner

release whatever cheney says gives us this info
obamas hesitancy wouldnt have anything to do with CHENEY BEING RIGHT now would it???

and do dems REALLY think that we will buy whatever the shit this LEVIN suckass says...anyone who wears those little glasses and keeps them dangling on thier nose is not to be trusted anyway...LOL

Let's see - Danni posts her opinion, and her reasons supporting her point of view, and then Nmg No asks "are you kidding?' without any support whatsoever. Not to be outdone, Grandpappy Vernon calls Danni a hack, but also offers no evidence or srgument whatsoever on the issue being discussed. Hack indeed.

mr ex vice president, enough already. you have no defense, ignorance of the law isnt an excuse and neither is "well it worked". your no better than me or anyone else in this country that has to follow the law to avoid anarchy or tyrants like you. shut up and go away, stop ruining this countrys reputation with your tortured logic. have a heart attack and die like some of the people that were caught up in your bullshit, scumball

Let's see - Danni posts her opinion, and her reasons supporting her point of view, and then Nmg No asks "are you kidding?' without any support whatsoever. Not to be outdone, Grandpappy Vernon calls Danni a hack, but also offers no evidence or srgument whatsoever on the issue being discussed. Hack indeed.

#21 | Posted by mOntecOre at 2009

on behalf of the posters you mention I say thank you

THANK you for recognizing that they are using the style of debate that LIBS here have made famous.
so I dont think your "SURVEY" is complete with just this CNN style of polling

HEY MONTECORE

HERE is where you can start..with this crackhead and his comments at the end

mr ex vice president, enough already. you have no defense, ignorance of the law isnt an excuse and neither is "well it worked". your no better than me or anyone else in this country that has to follow the law to avoid anarchy or tyrants like you. shut up and go away, stop ruining this countrys reputation with your tortured logic. have a heart attack and die like some of the people that were caught up in your bullshit, scumball

#22 | Posted by blurb at 2009-05-30 12

what a pile of 'do' you have written here sir.

and YET cheney's approval rating has gone up 9 points
AND OBAMA IS USING SOME OF the VERY SAME TECHNIQUES...A FACT The left wants to keep hidden

I so love when Cheney speaks The more He speaks the more He sinks Bushco. The more He sinks Bushco the more He speaks so naturally so automatically. Just think the more He sinks Bushco the happier people like Me become. Not at what they have done but the openous that Cheney is sharing His War Crimes and His crimes against Humanity. Let the bastard sink Bushco and Dubya will be PRAYING nobody remembers His Presidency. You gotta love THAT if nothing else.

Larry

Republicans are in the position of defending raping children.

and dems are now in the position of being racist by letting blacks go who are guilty of poll crimes as well as a sc justice who rules by color and position in life rather than by the constitution

and I assume you are referring to something that LITTLE DICK TURBIN DURBIn may have said or murtha or even john kerry...he was in viet nam you know.

AND CLEMINS>.

oh yeah

it was a LIBERAL judge who recently let a man off the hook..basically...I think like a year only..for raping a 5 year old girl....

so please inculde him in any rant you may have about it

crackhead, ive never met one SIR but i do know of an ex vice president with a crack in his head. if you dont like it you can always kiss the vertical smile on my backside, i have it with me at all times.

vertical smile on your backside........

what a sterile way of mentioning your fat ass......

lastly

there is no need for anyone of us to barely even comment on this issue

IF obama would release them

maybe if they were something to LET BLACK PANTHER RACISTS OFF THE HOOK FOR CRIMINAL BEHAVIOR he would release them.......

fuckin RACIST liar

Release the damn things, then we won't have to argue over who has more claim to their position! If Cheney says this and Levin says that, it means nothing! Let it all hang out (and no special re-dacting), then someone will, hopefully shut the fuck up!!

Wow, Darth Cheney is full od **it again! What a concept that the former VP is dishonest. I do believe that this is one that is believable. Fully believable.

If any of you Cheney haters have any facts, let's have them. Otherwise shut up.

"If any of you Cheney haters have any facts, let's have them. Otherwise shut up."

Laughable. ONly the worst liars still pretend Cheney didn't lie about WMD, Al Quaeda and Saddam link, nuclear program, etc.
Sniper's comments have just become pathetic bleatings of a sheep who has lost his shepherd.

Just releaase the docs already. The cats out of the bag. We'll see who is lying.

Republicans are in the position of defending raping children.

#26 | Posted by clemens

That has to be the stupid post of the day. You have nothing to back that wild statement up. vThe only thing pushing that is a big pile of smelly brown stuff.

What a nonpartisan remark!

#19 | Posted by fribo at 2009-05-30 11:47 AM | Reply

Thank you!

Unlike OldSoakedInWhiskey, perhaps you can see the distinction?

Pointing out Danni's blind hackery does not mean that I'm an advocate of what she hates. It's all well and good to be passionate, but with some, like Danni, it's slipped over the edge into vile, mindless hatred.

Vile Vermin: vile, mindless hatred.

Danni?

Yer fucking kidding with that, right?

Danni is actually quite a skilled debater for the yellow dog Dem contingent hereabouts.

Vile?

Far from Vile, Spud finds her posts to be quite pleasant and largely accurate.

Never A Waste Of Bandwidth.

Spud agrees with Danni far more than he disagrees.

Mindless?

Danni is strong minded not mindless.

Perhaps you confused the two terms, no?

Hater?

Danni hates hate and luffs luff.

That means her mechanism is intact.

See also: Intolerant of intolerance.

Too nuanced, Vern?

Be Well.

Easy, Deth. Vermin's just projecting.

Easy, Deth. Vermin's just projecting.

Agreed, in a manner somewot reminiscent of Linda Blair's high projectile vomiting in the Exorcist only, ...you know, ...more offensive.

Be Well.

Cheney is well aware that these document are part of an ongoing investigation and will not be released.

That puts Cheney in a very safe position for the moment. He can cry "foul" all day long, be as disengenuious as he pleases and, as usual, play the role of a poor misunderstood martyr who gave his all to defend the very people who are now tormenting him.

For someone who claims he doesn't give a fuck what people think, he's certainly knocking himself out these days, isn't he?

As for Cheney being a serial liar, I think the case has already been closed on that one.

Cheney ia thw epitomy of arrogance personafied. I wished like hell Bushco eould be facing War Crimes and Crimes against Humanity trials. That would warm My heart up nicely.

Larry

I wished like hell Bushco eould be facing War Crimes and Crimes against Humanity trials. That would warm My heart up nicely.

I think you've mentioned that a few hundred times already, Larry.

LARRY

The wheels of justice turn way too slow for that to ever happen.

But the court of public opinion is just as deadly and a lot faster.

It something we'll just have to learn to live with, absent the alternative.

Revenge is a dish best served cold.

I'm sorry but unless they get charged and convicted and sent away for a very very very long time they got away with their crimes scott free. Court of Public opinion means NOTHING to these people. HARD TIME would mean a whole bunch.

Larry

TwinPac let's put it this way. I used to think I was untouchable. I could do whatever I wanted to with impunity. All that changed when I was faced with the rolling of the bars. Once You hear the sha ching cha ching cha ching of bars closing BEHIND You thing change. When You wake to bars go to sleep to bars have to eat Your breakfast lunch and dinner next to a filthy dirty shitter Your asinine attitude changes. This is the ONLY way Bushco AND the Nation will ever learn a lesson. When the Leaders get treated like the common criminals they are. When they have to face the fact that the Guards are more powerful than a former President then and only then will they wake up and see the light. Right now they flipping their Fuck You fingers at us and anyone who dares call them on their bullshit.

Larry

Larry, you speak of your incarceration as a rehabilition so you won't repeat your crime. It appears to have worked. Since Bush will never be president again, he will never repeat his actions, either.

No but His collective arrogance and those who supported Him will live on unless Bushco is forced to answer for His crimes and the supporters support for said crimes.

Larry

and YET cheney's approval rating has gone up 9 points
AND OBAMA IS USING SOME OF the VERY SAME TECHNIQUES...A FACT The left wants to keep hidden

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So Cheney sits a modest 9% approval rating?

Now Obamma is torturing people , right, did i get that right? You're a registered circus clown.

Wow. you and your butt buddy sniper make a swell pair of duces.

Oh and don't forget incarceration is first and foremost about punishment. It's the removal of an offender from society, If that incarceration leads to rehabilitation all the better, But primary function still is Punishment,

Larry

But primary function still is Punishment

Hmm -- I grew up being taught that in a civilized society that incarceration's primary purpose was rehabilitation.

"Some liberals are trying to crucify Bush and his cohorts...."

Traditionally, traitors are hung or shot by firing squad.

I wished like hell Bushco eould be facing War Crimes and Crimes against Humanity trials.

#42 | Posted by LarryMohr

Exactly what was the crime lar?

Did pres clinton say Iraq had WMD?
Did pres clinton bomb an asprin factory?
Did congress authorize troops to be used in Iraq?

Tell me lar, what was the crime!

Oh shit, I left out he had 3 slime balls water boarded.

Levin: "Cheney's full of it on those docs"

Than Sen. Levin why don't you tell FLOP EARS to release the docs. Or are you FULL OF SHIT like Nancy (The LIAR) Polosi.

ozz, I think you already know the answer to that one.