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Thursday, May 28, 2009

Sam Stein: One of the more provocative critiques to come from conservatives concerning the appointment of Sonia Sotomayor to the Supreme Court has been the charge that her nomination is racial politics at its most cynical. But in the past, Republicans were eager to play up the diversity of their own nominees. When Orrin Hatch took to the Senate floor to push the nomination of Alberto Gonzales for Attorney General, he elevated the nominee's Hispanic roots and accused opponents of racial insensitivity.

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Its getting more and more pathetic as the Party of Lincoln evolves into the Party of the Liquored. But perhaps even worse is the incessant obliviousness to the fact that everything they've said in the past is readily available to be shoved down their pieholes whenever they hypocritically place themselves on opposite sides of the same issues over and over again. "Gonzo" and his good-ole boy Texas shingle? Good Hispanic. "Sotomayor" and her top drawer, Ivy League pedigree and decade plus service on the federal bench? Bad Hispanic. Si?

Credibility must not mean too much in today's Republican Party or perhaps it just wasn't mentioned in the latest talking points memo released from party headquarters; errrrrrrrr, Rush's latest comedy routine....

Tony - I think the difference is that Gonzo never uttered anything as foolish as Sotomayor's thing about a Latina woman vs. an old white male in the area of being able to make the "right" decisions. Think about it.

H.W. also said that "empathy" was one of the characteristics he admired when he nominated Clarence Thomas.

MRFair, what did she say? Entire quote in context please.

Johnny: One of the more striking quotes is this one:

"In her speech, Judge Sotomayor questioned the famous notion often invoked by Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg and her retired Supreme Court colleague, Sandra Day O'Connor that a wise old man and a wise old woman would reach the same conclusion when deciding cases.

"I would hope that a wise Latina woman with the richness of her experiences would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a white male who hasn't lived that life," said Judge Sotomayor, who is now considered to be near the top of President Obama's list of potential Supreme Court nominees."

So the first quote said an old woman would find a different decision than an old man, and Soto finds that an old Latino woman would find a better decision than an old white male.

Make of this what you will, but I find it very telling.

NY Times

I didn't really give the context of that quote, my bad. It was a speech in 2001 where she went on to say that the ethnicity and sex of a judge "may and will make a difference in our judging."

But we all know women have terrible judgement.

Tony - I think the difference is that Gonzo never uttered anything as foolish as Sotomayor's thing about a Latina woman vs. an old white male in the area of being able to make the "right" decisions. Think about it.

As long as Soto can remember what she had for breakfast, she's light years ahead of Speedy "I can't remember" Gonzalez. I expect he's still unemployed because he can't remember to go to the interviews. I just wonder how often he's turned away from the Justice Department with a kindly, "You don't work here anymore, amigo.'

Thanks Andy...I went on to read the rest of the speech that the NyTimes linked to.

What I found telling was how after the part you highlight she goes on to say:

"Thanks Andy.

I went on to read the speech that the NYTimes links to.

After that quote from her that you highlighted she goes on to say the following:

"I, like Professor Carter, believe that we should not be so myopic as to believe that others of different experiences or backgrounds are incapable of understanding the values and needs of people from a different group. Many are so capable. As Judge Cedarbaum pointed out to me, nine white men on the Supreme Court in the past have done so on many occasions and on many issues including Brown."

That doesn't sound like a racist to me. That sounds like someone who even though she puts fourth the idea that "she hopes" a latina woman with those latina experiences would make better conclusions she goes on to tear down that idea.

She then goes on to recognize that a judge should strive to recognize that a judge must strive to stretch their view beyond what their background and experience provides them.

"I am reminded each day that I render decisions that affect people concretely and that I owe them constant and complete vigilance in checking my assumptions, presumptions and perspectives and ensuring that to the extent that my limited abilities and capabilities permit me, that I reevaluate them and change as circumstances and cases before me requires. I can and do aspire to be greater than the sum total of my experiences but I accept my limitations. I willingly accept that we who judge must not deny the differences resulting from experience and heritage but attempt, as the Supreme Court suggests, continuously to judge when those opinions, sympathies and prejudices are appropriate."

Sorry about that repeat in first part...my browser refreshed and I used a copy/paste to restore what I had already written.

I think the difference is that Gonzo never uttered anything as foolish

Until he got the AG title.

The difference between Johnny Hotsauce and many on the right is that he actually reads whole articles with entire quotes in them instead of just listening to Rush or Sean. It makes him make a fool of himself far less often than the right wing talking point repeaters.

oh please danni

quit sucking up to him...you know it doesnt matter when someone diagrees with you or your 'boys and girls'..

and this was going to come out soon because the left has to defend itself from the truth coming out about how they treated all of the republican minorities...shabby at best of course...

#7 - Closet bigot.

#10 - LOL - FF

yeah that was a real knee slapper :)

"Ethnicity?" Oh hell, we thought we were touting his idiocy. But we gotta tell ya, no AG in history can mow a lawn like 'Berto.

#7 - Closet bigot.

his not being able to remember anything form any meeting he attended is bigotted?

#15, now that's bigotted.

#6 | Posted by andyuhenet

Speak for yourself ;o)

There is no beef about playing up her heritage and story--it is compelling.

It doesn't have anything to do with making decisions as a judge and the rule of law.


It is Her statement that is of concern.

She will be given the opportunity to explain it further at the hearings.


"Ethnicity?" Oh hell, we thought we were touting his idiocy. But we gotta tell ya, no AG in history can mow a lawn like 'Berto.

#15 | Posted by northguy3


as I have said repeatedly.
the GOP HAD to tout this stuff because the media SURE DIDNT DO it..

and no commentator or whatever he was the other day didnt CRY about the appointment.......


and of course alberto wasnt up for a lifetime appointment either.......

FACE IT NG

the left is so biased and prejudiced and hypocritical that they cant see it when its right in front of them

#14 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2009-05-28 12:54 PM | Reply | Flag: Crybaby.

the left is so biased and prejudiced and hypocritical that they cant see it when its right in front of them

#19 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2009-05-28 02:07 PM | Reply | Flag: Go back the Pharmacy.

Both sides play the race card and accuse the other side of doing the same depending on what suits them at the moment.

We all know this.

I don't know how otherwise intelligent people could get caught up in this when there is no substance to any of this.

#7 - Closet bigot.
"his not being able to remember anything form any meeting he attended is bigotted?"

"#15, now that's bigotted."

#16 | Posted by northguy3 at 2009-05-28 01:29 PM | Reply | Flag:


Re: #7 - You referred to Gonzo as Speedy Gonzalez. Pay attention to your own posts. Sheesh.

Re: #15 - At least you outed yourself - fair enough.

Got any bigoted nicknames for the lady judge?

I don't know how otherwise intelligent people could get caught up in this when there is no substance to any of this.

#22 | Posted by sully at 2009


as is usually the case at least from me, the focus is on the REACION to issues more than the actual issue itself......such as...the left crying over the lady's story when the SAME STORY or moreso is had by people who are repubs but for some reason, they arent diefied like this one.......

but again...as I have said..with every passing day...the libertarian or just ANOTHER OPTION besides the two we have looks better and better to me..........

Don't get me wrong, she's fine for the Supreme Court. Great academic and professional experience. But lay off that richness of experience stuff. This person has been mostly a grade grind and then a lawyer and Judge. No husband, boyfriend or children. Seems like she is isolated from rich experiences. The common touch is a great thing but I doubt she has it. Don't worry;she'll go by the book.

She will be given the opportunity to explain it further at the hearings.

Red herring Murph. She's a Feminist, a Clintonite, and naturally has those Corporatist leanings. You wonder why it takes two paychecks to support a family? It's a two tiered socialist agenda. Level everyone below. But privilege to the Elites.

Horatio Alger refined the rags to riches tale into an American genre. It fit the pioneering spirit and gave hope to those who started from meager beginnings. Politicians play this tune ad nauseum. Lest we forget that they have compromised themselves by justifying the promotion of special interests as a social benefit, just as they also take away protections granted by the Constitution.

True liberals can be shamed for supporting an injustice, but the players are uninhibited. They're not through with their social experiments or the imposition of political correctness as they define it.

Everyone is Washington DC is a Federalist. The largess is too tempting. The only Change is the horse in the race, and what's left of a dollar.

All this buzz is a distraction. She's in the Club and there's little doubt that we'll have a bit of a show and some ruffled feathers but there will be no hard questions for our Puerto Rico Princess. She will be crowned.

We might as well Eat Cake.

and of course alberto wasnt up for a lifetime appointment either.......

FACE IT NG

the left is so biased and prejudiced and hypocritical that they cant see it when its right in front of them

#19 | Posted by afkabl2

face it aflac, Speedy wasn't up for his job as AG either. The fact that not even the most NOP hack law firm (you listening RudiG?)or Institute will hire him should indicate his qualifications...
###
but again...as I have said..with every passing day...the libertarian or just ANOTHER OPTION besides the two we have looks better and better to me..........


aflac, you'll have to get those "Republican Forever" and "I (heart) Dubya" tattoos removed first. You'll die cheering the NOP on. Like Daddy Rush, you say you won't carry the NOPs water anymore but end up buying a bigger bucket.

"as is usually the case at least from me, the focus is on the REACION to issues more than the actual issue itself......such as...the left crying over the lady's story when the SAME STORY or moreso is had by people who are repubs but for some reason, they arent diefied like this one......."

Why doesn't someone knock this silly sumbitch in the head and put him out of his misery?

This is much ado about nothing. Of course judges make policy albeit within an extremely narrow range.

Many laws are ambigious and probably written to be that way. If legislators don't want judges to interpet laws in ways that are contrary to their wishes, the legislators should write better laws. The role of judges is to clear up ambiguities. In the process of clearing up the ambiguities, they consider the constitution, legal precedence, similar laws, etc. When the judges have exhausted all other means for resolving the ambiguities, the only thing left is their life experiences. At this late stage in the process, I think America is better served by someone with a diverse backgroud and rich experiences which would add a different perspective to the SCOTUS.

"I would hope that a wise Latina woman with the richness of her experiences would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a white male who hasn't lived that life," said Judge Sotomayor, who is now considered to be near the top of President Obama's list of potential Supreme Court nominees."

So the first quote said an old woman would find a different decision than an old man, and Soto finds that an old Latino woman would find a better decision than an old white male.

Make of this what you will, but I find it very telling.

NY Times

#5 | Posted by andyuhenet at 2009-05-27 08:46 PM | Reply | Flag:



PARSED!!!!


Not at ALL in context. Try again!

Well do you think cal chris will celebrate Sonia Sotomayor's Board membership in La Raza???????

Clearly her stance on the second amendment is going to be an issue....

Earlier this year, President Obama's Supreme Court nominee joined an opinion with the 2nd Circuit Court of Appeals ruling that Second Amendment rights do not apply to the states.

A 2004 opinion she joined also cited as precedent that "the right to possess a gun is clearly not a fundamental right."

Montana won't be happy!

Well do you think cal chris will celebrate Sonia Sotomayor's Board membership in La Raza???????

#31 | Posted by DavetheWave

She's not on the board you loon.

Get your facts straight before mouthing off dude. Typical dr left poster

www.worldnetdaily.com

Sonia Sotomayor 'La Raza member'
American Bar Association lists Obama choice as part of group

Now who's the 'loon'?

"As President Obama's Supreme Court nominee comes under heavy fire for allegedly being a "racist," Judge Sonia Sotomayor is listed as a member of the National Council of La Raza, a group that's promoted driver's licenses for illegal aliens, amnesty programs, and no immigration law enforcement by local and state police."

The difference between Ganzales and Sotomayor is Gonzales is a conservative, that's a NO NO with libs.

The other difference is Gonzales was not gay.

Now who's the 'loon'?

#35 | Posted by DavetheWave

You are, you wack job.

Nobody said she wasn't a member of La Raza. You said she was on the Board. She wasn't and isn't.

However, Alberto Gonzales DID serve on the Board of one of La Raza's affilliates. Maybe that's what you were thinking of.

You referred to Gonzo as Speedy Gonzalez. Pay attention to your own posts.

calling somebody Gonzo is good, Speedy is bad.

Got it.

"... in the past, Republicans were eager to play up the diversity of their own nominees..."

Well, if Republican's did it, it must be right.

Wait, it doesn't work that way...
I thought that whatever Republican's did, it was wrong?
Help me better understand the rules here.

#36 Another difference is that Sotomayor is not a crook.

The other difference is Gonzales was not gay.

#37 | Posted by ozzieoswald at 2009-05-28 06:00 PM

So he is now?

What a strawman article.

I KNOW Obama's ascendency has exacerbated racism in the US, but the critique in this article missed the "old white man" comment.

You libs should accurately critique Republicans--it's far more damaging and there's plenty of ammo...

Gonzo never uttered anything as foolish as Sotomayor's thing... -- #2 | Posted by MrFair

You kid, right? www.youtube.com

#42 "So he is now"

No, you and Barney are!

I call bullshit. the issue of having diversity is not being raised. What is being raised is the candidate's statement that she makes better decisions because of her race and gender.

Notwithstanding, this ain't a big issue, and they should just see if she's qualified. If she is, she should be confirmed.

"What is being raised is the candidate's statement that she makes better decisions because of her race and gender."

Only by idiots who never fully read, or never fully understood her entire speech. Reread the entire thing, and this time, don't skip over the first few words of the paragraph...where she lays out the fact she's speaking of her hopes, not her beliefs.

DanniBoi, you're correct. I don't take issue with her writing. My issue was with the theme of this article that equates a promotion of diversity to what the issue being raised really is. Like I said, this ain't a big deal, and if she's qualified (and I've got nothing yet to indicate she ain't) she should be confirmed.

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