Drudge Retort: Red Meat for Yellow Dogs
Monday, May 25, 2009

On one Buffalo street, when the neighborhood decided to pitch in to line the streets with flags for the Memorial Day holiday, they had among their neighbors the veterans of five different U.S. wars. "I think Memorial Day needs to get back to the place that it is," said resident Elizabeth Brown. "We should be thinking about those that lost their lives."

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Happy Memorial Day folks--

Here is my Dad on the Indian Gal--his copter was shot up and managed to land it in the Gulf of Tonkin.


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CC--He did not attend that Pensacola seminar.

He is the best though.

Thanks to all those who served this great country!

my birth father - army, korea, deceased
my stepfather - air force, viet nam, deceased
my maternal granddad - army, WWII, deceased
my nephew - marine reserves, sniper, still kicken', out of service now
my nephew - army, still in

thankfully, none have been a casualty of war. thank you to all who have or ever will serve.

I want to thank my grandfather who fought for the US as a German citizen in WW II (Army). (He became a US citizen in France during the war)

My father who served in Korea and Vietnam (Army), My Uncle Fred and Leroy who fought in Vietnam, (Air Force and Navy Respectively) and my cousin Dale who was killed in Vietnam(army).

R.I.P. all.

Here's to my father, stepfather and Mr. M (who was like a father to me.) They all served in the US Army and are now deceased. RIP Here's to my friend, H, who grew up in Nazi Germany and was forced to join the Hilter Youth. He came to this country when he was 20 and joined the Marines. I love you all.

Here's to all our veterans who have fought and who continue to fight to keep democracy alive, to keep us one and to keep us safe. Salut!

We all say THANK YOU to our own Drudge Retort military veterans


DRUDGE RETORT MILITARY VETERANS

RexZeitgeist - US Army
Goatman - US Navy
Prolix247 - US Navy
Reagan58 - US Army (Special Forces)
OzarkAggie - US Navy (Submarine Service)
BuffaloBob - US Air Force
JeffnDenmark - US Navy
Cowboy - USCG
Boaz - US Army
Vernon - US Air Force
Beachbuzz - US Army
Rastaninja - US Army Reserves
Tadowe - US Army
Sarge - US Air Force
Judas - USMC
101Chairborne - US Army
Commonsense - US Navy
Briwo - US Army
Walt - US Army
Tron - US Army
USN - US Navy
Babuenthal - USMC
GrumpyToo - USMC
RealPlus5 - US Navy
Frosty - US Air Force
TedBaxter -- US Navy
KatieBerry - US Army, National Guard
FrankF55- US Air Force
Dutch46 -- USCG
Trooper -US Army
Sniper - US Army
Cmpbell72 - USMC
lwalk17 - US Air Force
RightisRight - US Army
RightOCenter - US Air Force
MSgt - US Air Force (Ret).
John47 - US Air Force
TFDNihilist -- USMC
Herm - US Navy
OldWhiskeySour - US Air Force
KGBeekeeper - USMC
Oohrah's son Bob - USMC
LilBrit - WRNS (Womens Royal Naval Service)
Mattm - Minnesota Army NG (22 yrs. w/1 yr. active duty in Kosovo)
JustSomeGuy - US Navy
TownnCountry - US Navy, USNR
JerryTarkanian - US Army
TJTull - US Air Force
Timbci - US rmy
Observer27 - US Army
Mr. Retaliation - US Air Force
SPC_Evil - US Army rabiabidabi - US Navy
Mictian101 - USMC
DrKnowItAll - US Navy


My Grandfather - Army WWI

My Father - Marine WWII and Korea


#3 | Posted by r_zeitgeist

R.I.P. Dale God Bless

Re: DR Military Veteran's List

If anyone who posts on DR would like to add their own name to the list, just leave me a post on this thread with your branch of service and I'll add your name.

Also -- anyone who sees a correction needed on the above list please do the same.

CC--He did not attend that Pensacola seminar.

He is the best though.

Thanks to all those who served this great country!

#1 | Posted by MURPHY at 2009-05-22 07:33 PM

Of course your Dad is the best!

I'll bet by next year, or maybe the year after, your Dad will have had a chance to become a little more reacquainted with everyone again and may feel more at ease about attending his next reunion. He may just need a little more time to get used to the idea.

And even if your Dad ends up never going to any of his reunions, it doesn't matter. It's still great you opened the door for him to be able to be in touch with some of the fellows he served with in Viet Nam. I'm sure your Dad appreciates all you did for him. And you and your family have every right to be very proud of him too.

Grandpa - Army Chaplin
Dad - USN Vietnam
Uncle Roger - Marines Vietnam
Uncle David - USN Vietnam
Uncle Eddie S. - Army Vietnam
Uncle Jerry - Army Vietnam
Uncle Will - Army - Vietnam
Uncle Moses - USN Vietnam
Uncle Eddie R. - Army Vietnam
If I forgot anyone I'm sorry I love you all.

To my shipmates on the USS Tattnall DDG 19

FINER THEN THE FINEST!!!

Je Me Souviendrai (hope I spelled that right)

First In - Last Out...

Me USAF

To my shipmates on the USS Tattnall DDG 19

You were on the Tattnall? (forgive me if you've told me before)

I was part of DESRON 12, same as the Tattnall and sailed with her out of Mayport on a North Atlantic cruise in 1978. I was on the USS Montgomery FF 1082.

When were you a crewmember?

I went to C school with a sonarman who got assigned to her, but I'll be damned if I can remember his name.

#5 | Posted by CalifChris

you are quite the historian - thankx for that!

#11 | Posted by goatman
Yes, I served on the Tattnall 87-91 out of Mayport. We did ops with the Montgomery on several occasions. I was a Weps guy, firecontrolman. I took care of the firecontrol radar systems SPG 60 and SPK 9 and fired the 5' 54 cal cannons from combat.

you are quite the historian - thankx for that!

Ditto!

#13. Our paths didn't cross. I was a crewmember of the Mont'y from '77 to '81. I was the sonar tech for the AN/SQS 35 VDS sonar -- the one that got dropped out of the back of the ship and towed.

So many to thank for their service and in some cases their sacrifice of life or limb I'll just say thank you to all whether your service was during time of war or not.

ChickenRancher -

Me USAF


Got it. Thanks. Just added your name on to the list.

my dad, papa pile. 30yrs US Army


My Dad, who's nickname was "Corky" after the Gasoline Alley comic strip character, was a pretty wild kid in the north side of Ft Worth who lied about his age to get into the USAF near the end of the war. He flew as a navigator into Germany during the Berlin Air lift.

Pictures of him in uniform with his half-Cherokee black hair oiled back made him look like Elvis.

Everyone wants to do their part when they feel the country is in the right.


Smedley Darlington Butler (July 30, 1881 June 21, 1940), nicknamed "The Fighting Quaker" and "Old Gimlet Eye", was a Major General in the U.S. Marine Corps and, at the time of his death, the most decorated Marine in U.S. history.

During his 34 years of Marine Corps service, Butler was awarded numerous medals for heroism including the Marine Corps Brevet Medal (the highest Marine medal at its time for officers), and subsequently the Medal of Honor twice. Notably, he is one of only 19 people to be twice awarded the Medal of Honor, and one of only three to be awarded a Marine Corps Brevet Medal and a Medal of Honor, and the only person to be awarded a Marine Corps Brevet Medal and a Medal of Honor for two different actions.
In addition to his military career, Smedley Butler was noted for his outspoken anti-interventionist views, and his book War is a Racket. His book was one of the first works describing the workings of the military-industrial complex and after retiring from service, he became a popular speaker at meetings organized by veterans, pacifists and church groups in the 1930s.

War is a racket
www.youtube.com

Philip Lawrence Arnold veteran of WWII-Had 3 ships sunk under him and survived unharmed-Spent 24 years in the Navy and retired Master Chief Petty Officer. Died in October 1983 and was buried at sea with full military honors from the deck of the USS Racine. RIP Your sons Phil and Keith.

Private John J. Gilligan - USMC

My uncle was mortally wounded in the Battle of Guadcanal while fighting the Japanese on Tulagi Island on August 7, 1942 and he died the following day at age 19. He is buried at Arlington. He was with the 1st Marine Raider Division and fought with Edson's Raiders. I have all his letters he wrote to everyone back home along with all his military possessions and I treasure them.

He was awarded the Silver Star for bravery and honored with a destroyer escort being named in his honor - USS Gilligan DE-508 .

Rest in peace.

USS Gilligan,
If it was any other thread it would be good joke material.

My mom had 7 brothers. 4 of them enlisted during ww2.
3 of them went to war in different places, and all 3 returned safe, and unharmed.
The fourth brother, my uncle Kermit, developed tuberculosis, before he was to ship out, and spent the rest of the war in a TB ward in a VA hospital in southern California. He married his nurse, and they lived in Sacramento Ca, in the same house for 50 years.

USS Gilligan,

If it was any other thread it would be good joke material.

#23 | Posted by JeffnDenmark at 2009-05-23 03:12 AM


USS Gilligan,
If it was any other thread it would be good joke material.

#23 | Posted by JeffnDenmark at 2009-05-23 03:12 AM


Hey, that's okay, Jeff. Feel free to post a couple of "Gilligan" jokes. My uncle Jackie had a good sense of humor and loved to laugh (or so I was told by my Mom). He'd probably enjoy one of your jokes at his expense. lol

oops, sorry for the double posting

How about you, JeffnDenmark? You were USN. What ship were you on? Did you get to see many different places while you were in the Navy?

Did 1 westpac on the USS point defiance 31.
I was only in for 3 years active.
I was on the point Defiance for a little over 2 years.
Most of my first year in I was on base duty in San Diego, and I was flown to Hawaii for my assigned duty on the PD31. and sailed directly back to San Diego. Go figure? 6 or moths later or so we sailed back to Hawaii, Okanawa, Quaduline, Philipines, Busan Korea, Tai Pai Taiwan, Hong Konk, back to Korea, to Brisbane Australia, back to the Philipines, Hawaii, and back to San Deigo.
Stayed in San Deigo for the rest of my time, and not long after my discharge the USS point Defiance 31 went to Tacoma Washington for dry dock upkeep, and into the moth ball fleet ship yard in Tacoma.

6 or 7 months later....
Not much sleep last night... Yawn.

I should mention we had the Shellback initiation when we crossed the equator to Australia.
That's the gayest thing I ever did. Very bazaar with all of the ships officers running around with make up, wigs, and stuffed brazers on, making us strip down, and then put our underwear on the outside of our clothes.
No wonder people think the Navy is gay.
BTW, I went in the navy because my older brother went in the navy. I was already talking to a marine recruiter, and ready to sign the papers, and I let my brother talk me out of it.
I still wonder what it would have been like if I would have joined the marines.
There were marines on the ship I was on also, and one of them that I was shooting skeet with off the fan tail of the ship one day ( 4th of July at sea) turned out to be the little brother of my brother in laws best friend. So we became friends, and pald around together in the Philipines.

I was only 17 1/2 when I went to boot camp.
I thought I was so grown up....
I look and my almost 19 year old son now, and think, was I really than young and immature when I went to boot camp? Yes....

CC-WOW!!! Such a father. Proud, very Proud.

War is just politics by another means. You are not defending a nation; you are engaged in the expansion of political power.

It's bankrupted every empire in the past as it is bankrupting us. You'll never learn.

Boy Ray sure screws up a thread doesn't He??? Sighhhhhhhhhhh.

When I was stationed at Grand Forks AFB, North Dakota, we had three squadrons of B-52s -- the 319th Heavy Bomb Wing. And 150 Minuteman III missiles -- the 321st Missile Wing -- with missile silos spread over a third of the state.

The mission was deterrence: Everyone was to do their jobs so well, so exceptionally well, that we would be the margin of doubt and prevent an attack.

Soon after I was transferred to Germany one of the Grand Forks B-52s caught fire on the maintenance tarmac. Nine airmen were working on the plane at the time. Five of them died, but they prevented the fire from spreading and killing others.

Doing their jobs exceptionally well.
------------
A few years ago I was sitting on the front porch of Jose Donaldo (Papa Joe to me) the father of a close friend in the Philippines. When Papa Joe was 15 he fought the Japanese alongside American soldiers in the brutal, gruesome Battle of Leyte -- the first land battle in the liberation of the Philippines.

It was hand-to-hand combat with bayonets and knives, often in a swamp filled with snakes and leeches.

Papa Joe received a special citation from the US Army for saving a platoon of Americans by single-handedly taking out a Japanese machine gun nest. 56 years later, it was framed and hung prominently on his living room wall.
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My Uncle Walt served in the US Navy in the Pacific during World War II. He was a cook and a deck gunner (his battle station). His ship was hit by Kamakazes late in the war but managed to limp into Midway.

My Uncle Loren was in the Air Force and stationed for years in Japan. We didn't know until he died that he was one of the maintenance guys on the U-2.

My older brother Charles was a medic in the Air Force. One night, while stationed in Omaha, he saw a baby incubator about to fall off a cart, and lunged for it. To this day he has intense, chronic back pain.

My nephew Antonio is an electrician in the Air Force, now on his fourth tour in Iraq. His wife and two children are in South Dakota.

My brother-in-law, Jose, spent 23 years in the Philippine Army, much of it in Special Forces, training American soldiers in jungle survival. When he retired he took a lump-sum payment instead of a pension so he could buy a jeepney and have his own business. In less than a year the jeepney was crushed by a truck, with no insurance.
---------
I had the 2nd best job in the Air Force. I was the editor of the base newspaper, and I got to interview and write about these kinds of people every day.

The back story was that we knew our Air Force, Army, Navy and Marine Corps newspapers were being scrutinized in Moscow, and distilled for the leadership. So they got to read thousands of stories each week about how we don't want a war, but we are trained, equipped and ready: once again, the margin of doubt.

One of the best moments was a spectacular air show at Tempelhof in Berlin. We hyped it for a couple months, so the Soviets could get all their best people to East Berlin and see the Thunderbirds, the Blue Angels, the Golden Knights and their equivalents from UK, Holland and Germany.

The goal was demoralization of the adversary: for all those people to go home and say "comrades, there is no way we could possibly win."

Miracle at The Wall: www.npr.org">www.npr.org

There are other heroes --patriots really -- that we never hear about. After posting I remembered two very touching events in North Dakota.

Remember, this is a place where the wind chill can get below -100 degrees in January and February.

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One time we had a maintenance crew at a missile site, driving back to base on an icy farm road, when one of the trucks slipped into the ditch. 70-below zero, at night.

The group leader walked to a farm house to use the phone. The farmer ended up bedding down 15 airmen on his living room floor, feeding them supper and breakfast. Then he fired up the John Deere and pulled the truck out of the ditch. (He later declined to be paid for his hospitality).

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Another time a helicopter had to ferry a critical repair part to a missile site, but on the way back got caught in a 'white out.' It was so cold that the instruments were malfunctioning, and the pilot was losing his equilibrium.

He didn't want to come down on a highway or power lines, so just did his best to hover in the strong cross winds.

After 10 minutes he heard a tapping on the side of the chopper. A farmer was standing there and said "Would you like to come in for coffee?"

He had drifted into someone's backyard.

Here's to my friend, H, who grew up in Nazi Germany and was forced to join the Hilter Youth. He came to this country when he was 20 and joined the Marines.

#4 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2009-05-22 08:01 PM | Reply |

DAMN!

That is one helluva story!

That is one helluva story about America!

Mega Salut!

My mother's father, Ed McGrail, fought in the trenches in WWI and somehow survived. When WWII came he joined the Army again despite being too old, this time as an officer. He was a military journalist in the South Pacific and set up newspapers there to spread the news and keep up the morale.

CC-WOW!!! Such a father. Proud, very Proud.

#32 | Posted by keith204 at 2009-05-23 07:54 AM

Thank you. He was my uncle. I'm going to put a tribute to my Dad (USMC - Korean War) on here later on today. But all of us on DR who had fathers, uncles, brothers, and sons who served our country have the right to be very proud of them. While not everyone who served may have won medals or received special recognition, as the saying goes" "Some gave all, all gave some."

I very much enjoyed reading your story about your Dad, Keith.

Philip Lawrence Arnold veteran of WWII-Had 3 ships sunk under him and survived unharmed-Spent 24 years in the Navy and retired Master Chief Petty Officer. Died in October 1983 and was buried at sea with full military honors from the deck of the USS Racine.
RIP Your sons Phil and Keith.

What an exciting Naval career your father had being on 3 ships that went down! I'll bet you sure miss him, though, and especially now with the road ahead you have for yourself with your upcoming surgery. But I honestly believe your Dad will be there with you in spirit and help you pull through just fine. Take care.

JeffnDenmark

I got a kick out of reading your Navy stories -- especially your Shellback initiation (#30). lol!

CaliChris-FYI-I was Army-not Air Force.

Every direct male descendent of my great-great grandather(came from Bavaria in 1847 and served in the Union Army during The Civil War) and all Vets in general.

This bud's for you.

My Family has a Tradition of Service to this Country I'm very proud of-goes all the way back to the Revolutionary War.
Both Grandfathers-US Army WWI.
Stepfather-US Navy-WWII
All of my uncles Served in the Army during WWII-Some in Europe-Some in The Pacific.
My oldest half-brother was in the Navy during Vietnam-his ship made several trips back and forth to Nam from San Diego.

My Best and Oldest friend in this world-Rick-Served in the Air Force.

Barney Kinney Co. H 2nd Ct Heavy Artillery made the charge at Cold Harbor only to die of wounds sustained at Cedar Creek Va. October 1864.

It would also be nice to know when everyone served.

I was US Army, Infantry (11B),

Active Duty: July 13, 1978-July 12, 1982
Inactive Reserves: July 13,1982-July 12, 1984

Boot Camp- Ft. Dix, NJ
Advanced Infantry Training- Ft. Benning, GA
Jump School-Ft. Benning, GA

2 yrs in Germany near the border.
2 yrs Ft. Lewis, WA

I was 4f with 3 deferments & am not gay:>)

ps I was on parole, too, for marijuanna violation which apparently only interpol now has any record of

"2 yrs in Germany"

3 1/2 here.
I was born in Frankfurt.
We lived in Bad Nauheim.

My dad was Army/Air Force liaison officer for the Berlin Airlift. I was 4F.

Weisbaden for me.

How did you end up 4F, if you don't mind my asking?

ROGERS!!! Can we have this on the Front Page please?

too much tinitis?

High blood pressure, go figure.

CaliChris-FYI-I was Army-not Air Force.

#42 | Posted by frankf55 at 2009-05-23 01:36 PM

Sorry about that, Frank.

I thought I had you down originally as US Army and then someone mentioned you were USAF (maybe they were joking around?) so I changed it.

Just now went into my file and put you back in the Army! lol

...and put you back in the Army!

That's a hell of a note.

Inspection at Oh Dark Thirty.

Every direct male descendent of my great-great grandather(came from Bavaria in 1847 and served in the Union Army during The Civil War) and all Vets in general.
This bud's for you.

#43 | POSTED BY BRIWO

The German regiments were pretty tough. They had discipline. HooRah for the 82nd Illinois. HooRah for the Dutchmen.

He was from Northern Wisconsin and was discharged in Brownsville, TX at the end of the war. He then made his way home to the farm in WI.

We actually share the same birthday.

Wow, it must have been pretty high. I'm suprised they just didn't make you a cook or clerk of something.


Bani: WTF is up with the tinnitus obsession?

JerryTarkanian - US Army


#5 | Posted by CalifChris at 2009-05-22 08:02 PM

Chris, Hon?

I wasn't in the military!!

ROGERS!!! Can we have this on the Front Page please?

#50 | Posted by briwo at 2009-05-23 03:35 PM | Reply

Oh please!

This is a thread where everyone (except Ray) can come together, and speak with respect about American patriots.

Rogers reserves the coveted front page for partisan bickering about Bush/ Cheney, gay 'marriage,' blow jobs for Obama and bashing the Christian faith.

Briwo, where are YOUR priorities?

Front page please, Rogers.

i179.photobucket.com

My Dad was in the USMC, enlisting in WW II where he trained to become a pilot at the Texas Naval Air Training Base in Corpus Christi, retiring 16 years later with the rank of Captain.

After WW II, he was later called back to duty to fly F4U-4 Corsairs as a combat fighter pilot in the Korean War on board the USS Sicily (CV-116). He flew 60 combat missions off the deck of the USS Sicily and was awarded an Air Medal and two Gold Stars (in lieu of second and third Air Medals). After the Korean War he trained as a helicopter pilot at Ellyson Field in Pensacola, FL.

During the Korean War he was assigned to the VMF/VMA-323 nicknamed the "Death Rattlers"

...VMF/VMA-323 was the Marine fixed-wing fighter/attack squadron with the longest overseas service in the Korean War, accumulating 48,677 flight hours. The commitment in Korea had ended, as the Death Rattlers added to its already proud history and closed a 2nd chapter in combat. With 16 Death Rattlers Killed In Action (the same amount of losses as in WW II) and 4 POWs, it was costly. The Jet Age was at hand....

Here is a drawing (which shows better detail than a photo) of the exact type of Corsair my Dad flew with the VMF-323. You'll see a rattlersnake painted on the nose of the plane --
F4U-4 Corsair

His VMF-323 fighter pilot squadron was nicknamed "Death Rattlers."

I have my Dad's Death Rattler patch which he wore on his flight jacket along with one of his old, worn flight gloves and three of his flight log books used during the Korean War.

A bit of trivia -- I also have a large silk scarf with a classified map of North and South Korea printed on it which my Dad wore when he flew combat missions. Fighter pilots would keep a silk scarf map worn on their bodies when they flew in case of a forced landing. A paper map would not have survived a hard landing and a map was essential to staying alive if you were forced down in enemy territory.

My Dad's love of flying stayed with him for the rest of his life and he made life-long friends during his time in the Marines.

And a special thanks to YOU, Mom, as you were the one who always made sure all of Daddy's military records, his flight books, photos, letters, and other personal possessions from his time in the Marines were always packed up and kept safe as we were moved from base to base. If not for your taking the special care to preserve and keep them together over all these years, I doubt I would have them as treasured possessions today.

correction to my 1st sentence in post #61 --

"Corpus Christi" should have been written out to say "Corpus Christi, Texas"

Chris, Hon?

I wasn't in the military!!

#58 | Posted by jerrytarkanian at 2009-05-23 06:16 PM

Didn't we play this game the other day?

I thought you were pulling my leg because we were kinda dancing around one of your "aka's" lol

Okay, I will be sure to delete "JerryTarkanian" from the list. Thanks for the correction. Err, what should I do now with our buddy "Itsme"? Is he off the list and out of the Army too?

Groan. Ignore my post #62.
I had already included the state in the name of the Naval Training Base. duh!

Time for a break from this computer.

Briwo,

Mar 87 to May 91

16p Chappral Crewmember (11 bang bang with a ride), 3rd AD, Patton's army (and 3 weeks in Stir's old outfit 2nd Cav)

Fort Bliss TX.
Budingen Germany
Tent City, Kuwait
Landstuhl Army Medical Center, Landtstuhl Germany

I wasn't in the military!!

#58 | Posted by jerrytarkanian at 2009-05-23 06:16 PM

... he said with pride.

One more reason to consider his posts as nothing by selfish bullshit


I wasn't in the military either (I saw with as much pride as a cynic can muster). I am not hostile to those that did. They have a paying job to do, as i do.

I turned down a lucrative offer from the air force to get busy building the means of our modern life. If you use computers, shampoo, paper, steel, oil products, plastic, pharmacueticals, food, coffee, soda, beer, cigarettes, cars, airplanes or a long list of other stuff, you have come in contact (directly or indirectly) with my work.

I don't know which of us are more guilty of crimes against humanity.

Err, what should I do now with our buddy "Itsme"? Is he off the list and out of the Army too?

#63 | Posted by CalifChris at 2009-05-23 08:45 PM |

Leave him on of course!

I hear he was a fine soldier!


War is just politics by another means. You are not defending a nation; you are engaged in the expansion of political power.


It's bankrupted every empire in the past as it is bankrupting us. You'll never learn.

#33 | Posted by Ray

no kidding...

Briwo fyi:>)

Famous People & Musicians with Tinnitus

Celebrities & Musicians with Tinnitus:

Neil Young - (loud music) main reason for his "acoustic" music during early 90's
Barbra Streisand - "Streisand has ascribed her volatile temperament to the tinnitus from which she has suffered since she was seven." source: news.independent.co.uk
Pete Townshend - "I have severe hearing damage. It's manifested itself as tinnitus, ringing in the ears at frequencies that I play guitar. It hurts, it's painful, and it's frustrating." Townshend is completely deaf in one ear from an explosion when Keith Moon blew up his drum set live on stage in the early 1960's and loud amps. He has tinnitus, resulting partly from the band's live gigs but mainly the deafening volume in which he and Entwistle used to listen to playbacks over the studio "cans." There are reports saying that he is unable even to hear his phone ring. The Sun newspaper reported Townshend said his hearing got worse after the band's recent US tour. Quote from Pete: "The recent return to touring and to me playing electric guitar - albeit more quietly than in the 1970s - led to further deterioration of my hearing," the 57-year-old said. "My right ear, which encounters my own edgy guitar and the machine gun strokes of the drums, has suffered badly. Luckily for me, I still have my left ear, which seems to be less @#%$ up. When I've worked solo in the past five years I've not used drums. This has meant I could play more quietly I think. With The Who, there is of course no way to play the old songs without drums. I've no idea what I can do about this. I am unable to perform with in-ear monitors. In fact, they increase the often unbearable tinnitus I suffer after shows." source from Sky News
John Entwhistle - According to Who scholar Andy Neill, Entwhistle was pretty deaf, and tended to rely on lip-reading. He didn't have tinnitus but still played bass at his usual "everything on 11" volume.
William Shatner - He acquired tinnitus from a loud stage/prop explosion on the set of an episode of StarTrek (during the mid 1960's). He says it contributed to the breakup of his second marriage, and even made him consider suicide. source from Carleton University
Leonard Nimoy - stage/prop explosion on set of StarTrek (during mid 1960's)
David Letterman - T in one ear, has had T a long time: Dave mentioned to William Shatner that he too had ringing in his ears, and has had it for a long time. On a different show episode, Letterman talked about how well he did on a hearing test. He asked Paul about his and Paul said, "I'm deaf as a doornail"

cont. fascinating list! perhaps God is trying to get in a "word" in via music of the spheres?:>)Bani

members.fortunecity.com

Bani: What's funny is that I have tinnitus from not only gunfire but almost 20 yrs of following the Grateful Dead around. Saw them 118 times.

Rex: I was 4th ID.

"James McBride - author and jazz tenor saxophonist. That familiar ring, in his ears: McBride is so attuned to life from a musical standpoint that "I can tell you the pitches of the tinnitus in my ears: G-sharp in one, D-sharp in the other." Source from: .chicagotribune.com"

I first heard it when I was 8 years old. My mother told me her best friend heard a B flat all the time...

I remember hearing it again very loudly when Nixon resigned...it actually prompted me to go back to college & eventually get a degree in Political Science.

Since I supposedly was born with a high frequency hearing loss, thus giving me (eventually:>) a 4F status ~ I always look around to see where the high sounding violin strings are playing when I hear various inner pitches of high frequency sounds.

My audiologist of many years always had so much fun testing my hearing in the booth because usually the bani was so high, that I couldn't discern the inner music from his testing sounds ~ oh well.

For me it's music of the Soul riding high in the higher worlds of St. Paul's heavens in the Nag Hammadi & the Corintians. ("...caught up to the 3rd heaven")

I also always had a problem with "ed"s on end of words in sentences because I seldom hear those, too, Briwo:>)Bani

One more reason to consider his posts as nothing by selfish bullshit


#66 | Posted by vernon at 2009-05-24 08:19 AM |

Poor Verm.

The angry ladyboy loving "christian"!


Bani: What's funny is that I have tinnitus from not only gunfire but almost 20 yrs of following the Grateful Dead around. Saw them 118 times.

#71 | Posted by briwo


The best concert I ever saw was in Missoula, Montana 1972/73? put on by the Grateful Dead. Morning Dew & China Doll are some of my favorite songs by them:>)

Leave him on of course!

I hear he was a fine soldier!

#68 | Posted by jerrytarkanian

Okay, Itsme stays in the Army.

#68 | Posted by jerrytarkanian at 2009-05-24 10:58 AM | Reply | Flag: Schizophrenic


#68 | Posted by jerrytarkanian at 2009-05-24 10:58 AM | Reply | Flag: Schizophrenic

#77 | Posted by goatman at 2009-05-24 01:30 PM


Yup.

Bani> Mine is just a ringing like I just got home from a concert, but it never goes away.

Most times I don't really notice it, but even when I do it doesn't seem to be as loud as yours.

I read "Tiger's Fang" one weekend during the summer of 1975 in Bozeman, Montana which bani was spoken of alot.

I went to sleep & had a dream within a dream of doing some really complicated math problems on a blackboard...which I certainly can't do in the physical, though my dad was a math major at U of Chicago. Then this philosophy professor I loved from U of Montana in Missoula (Henry Bugbee maverickphilosopher.powerblogs
.com
) shows up in my dream from my left & I asked him for the 'bani' (word:>)

I then heard this streaming music in my head ever since then all the time...as I roared back into my body in back of the 1969 suburban black van I was then using as my home outside of MSU's dome while going to summer school.

MSU won Division 2 National Football Championship the very next year:>)

I should mention my Uncle Joe--my Dad's brother.

He was a pilot and while training Jordanian pilots crashed in the 1960's and was killed.


CC--that's another story my Dad doesn't talk about.

I found this out by my cousin (who is a helo pilot) 20 years later.

My grandfather served in WW2.
When I was very young, he told me two stories.

In one, he was in his barracks, shaving. A German soldier stuck up behind him, but grandpa saw him in the mirror, pointed his sidearm backwards, and shot him.

In the other, he was shot in the chest, but the bullet was deflected by his cigarette lighter.

Neither of those stories are true. But they're great stories.

He never talked about actual experiences he had in the war.
Ever. Not to me, nor to his children.

Why?
Two words: Omaha Beach.

JustinPhx US Navy To all my shipmates and those we lost and remember today.

Paternal Grandfather - US Army WWII died on duty was Army Intelegence and we don't know how.
Father - US Navy USS von Steuben Vietnam
Uncle - US Air force no combat
Uncle - US Army Korea
Wife's Grandfather - US Army WWII
lcweb2.loc.gov

That is my wife's grandfather he was the lone survivor of his platoon of one of the bridge crossings over the Rhine. Very interesting story.

Thank you to all of you who served and to those who's family have served thank them for me if still possible. And thank you for the memories from those who served.

My Dad, 2 Uncles USN WW-II.

Me F-101B Voodoo Medicine Man.

USAF 98th Fighter Interceptor Sqdn.

Cuban Missle Crisis.

To my skydiving buddy, Bill Malone, KIA 1971.
i179.photobucket.com

Dad died in a hospital of lung cancer; A bunch of Germans, North Koreans and Chinese didn't.

Here he is getting his second Bronze Star "For Meritorious Achievement in Ground Operations Against the Enemy".

i179.photobucket.com

Sidney Blankenship,Great-Uncle, killed at Normandy, several weeks into the offensive. Recieved Purple Heart posthumously, and was/is buried there. His young bride and son were berated by his family for having him buried there, and not brought home, and had little to do with them afterwards. When she died, about 4 years ago, I was (by a weird set of circumstances not related to my familial issues)going through several boxes of things and found the Purple Heart with his name inscribed. It gave me great pleasure to give that Purple Heart to His last remaining brother, who also served in the Army at the same time. It's not a great thing to see an 87 yr old veteran cry, though.


My sister has traced our family back to a (G-G-G-G?)-father drawing pension from the Continental Army in 1812 census, I believe, and one GGGrandfather fighting on different sides in the Civil War. My Grandfather served in the Army,in the 30's, My father in the Korean War, a host of Uncles and cousins in Vietnam.

Me? I'm a fuck-up who didn't serve, and it's not without it's own shame.


I salute all who did.

I do hope that our fallen military people arn't turning over in their graves because of the turn our country is taking. We DID NOT fight for socalism! We did fight for FREEDOM!!!

It is also time to honor those that didn't quite fall. The war wounded and crippled. There are a large number of these men in an existence not of their choice or anyone's. The none walking wounded in VA hospital and pivate homes that need our full support and love. They are not dead and we need to make them believe that we know of their plite. Save some for them, the WIA's.

While you honor the dead, you veterans better start think about cutting your losses. Since 9/11, Bush got this country geared up for a perpetual war that Obama plans to continue. Every place in the ME where the Pentagon is involved is a festering boil about to in the next year or two. They are fighting to be free from American tyranny.

On the economic front, Obama is running multi-trillion dollar deficits that is scaring the hell out of investors. He's got income near $2 trillion and debts and liabilities near $100 trillion, an impossible amount to sustain much longer.

If you don't get the picture I am painting now, you will later.

one more to add
vma224
US Marine Corps
1956-1962

Just now went into my file and put you back in the Army! lol

#53 | Posted by CalifChris

And here I no longer fit in my Uniform!....^-^...

JustinPhx US Navy To all my shipmates and those we lost and remember today.

#83 | Posted by JustinPhx at 2009-05-25 10:14


fyi - Added your name "JustinPhx - US Navy" on to our "DR Military Veterans" list.

"Just now went into my file and put you back in the Army! lol

#53 | Posted by CalifChris"


And here I no longer fit in my Uniform!....^-^...

#93 | Posted by frankf55 at 2009-05-25 12:23 PM


Hit the ground, soldier! We're going to start with 75 push-ups!

i179.photobucket.com

#87 | Posted by Zatoichi at 2009-05-25 11:09 AM

Nice photo of your Dad, Zat.

vma224

The first time I saw your name on here it made me a little curious as my Dad (see Post #61) was assigned to the VMA-224 for a time. I believe it was when we lived in Cherry Point as my Dad was stationed there. I had wondered then if your name had anything to do with the USMC and now see it does.

VMA-224

I'm going to re-post the "DR Military Veterans" list one more time on here later today with the final updates/corrections for ChickenRancher, MistaKurtz, FrankF55, and a couple of others and will add your name on too.

Question -- do you want your name in all caps? So that it reads "VMA224 - USMC"? Or do you want it written as "vma224 - USMC"?

I'm a real stickler on making sure the list is correctly written so drop me a post on here and let me know. If I don't hear back I'll leave it as "vma224 - USMC" Thanks.

"Nice photo of your Dad, Zat."

Posted by CalifChris at 2009-05-25 12:35 PM

Thanks Chris.
That was at Ft Campbell, KY in 1954.

We did fight for FREEDOM!!!

#89 | Posted by Sniper at 2009-05-25 11:37 AM | Reply | Flag

What freedoms for what people? Freedom for women to control their reproductive lives? Freedom for gays to marry who they love? Or just freedom for you and your friends and family?

Great pixs there Zat.


BB--

I read your posts on your family search.

What service did you use?

And does it go back to Europe or say Ireland?

I do hope that our fallen military people arn't turning over in their graves because of the turn our country is taking. We DID NOT fight for socalism! We did fight for FREEDOM!!!
#89 | Posted by Sniper

Aside from the fact that you couldn't come up with a meaninful definition of "socialism" if you had to, the people who sacrificed for this country have had those sacrificies honored with the turning out of power of fascistic torture fetishists.

Obama: We Have Failed' To Give Vets The Support They Need Or Pay Them The Respect They Deserve'
thinkprogress.org

Actually, based on your posts I'm fairly confident you haven't the faintest idea what the hell you "fought" for, beyond some colored cloth and brain-dead platitudes.

To those who actually did understand what they did and why they did it and truly did love the best that their nation represents...bless you.

CC--love the history on your family.

Very cool on the Rattlers.


Since you have so much information on Gilligan--you could add that to the wiki--right?

Murphy

I used Ancestry.com. The way I used it was to look up the death certificates of the people I knew, and that gave their place of birth, and their parents names. You can then look up their parents and repeat, as far back as it goes. I also checked the census records. It is interesting to see the whole family listed and their ages at the time. As an example, the 1900 census shows my grandfather as 8 years old and all his brothers and sisters ages at the time, and parents and their occupations.

#91 | Posted by Ray at 2009-05-25 11:57 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)

If we aren't out of Iraq and Afghanistan by 2012, there is a very good chance Obama will be replaced. Not by a republican, but by another democrat--one that will get us out of the ME. One that will focus on alternative fuels.

But I think we'll be out by 2012, and Obama will sail through for another 4 years followed by Clinton for another 8.

Memorial Day, is a day to remember those go gave the ultimate sacrifice. Today I will think of my Uncle Richard Velles, my Uncle was an MIA in the Korean Conflict. My Uncle was 20 Years Old, he was never to have a family of his own, he never got to Live the life that this Country offers. My Uncle is not only remembered today but Always, thank you Uncle we all Love you, GOD be good to him he deserves it....

"SNIPER"...You just couldn't wait for another day to spew your HATEFUL cake hole!!!!!

I do hope that our fallen military people arn't turning over in their graves because of the turn our country is taking. We DID NOT fight for socalism! We did fight for FREEDOM!!!
#89 | Posted by Sniper

I served and did so for the vision of a socialistic America. I am sure many others who died in hopes America would one day support socialism.

Brain freeze of the day. When i first read the headline i thought it referred to all those sinners burning in hell.

I would like to remember my mentor and true friend, Ron, now deceased.

He was a Special Forces Medic in the 'Nam in 1964-65.

He showed me how great compassion should be tempered by great strength of character and purpose.

He also taught me when in a tight situation to commit totally, strike hard and strike fast, and be the one who walks away.

R.I.P. good friend.

Thank you...

Grandpa...US Army WWII
Dad...US Army National Guard
Father in Law...USMC Vietnam
Brother in Law...US Navy 1st Gulf War
Sister in Law...US Navy 1st Gulf War
Best friend...US Navy

A special thank you to everyone who has strived to serve in the best interest of our country, however they could.

I'm always the gadfly on threads like this. So here goes one last time.

I see in the military mentality, the same kind of uncritical loyalty as a dog to its master.

If you honor the war dead as heroes, you will get more wars. But if you mourn the dead as victims of political greed, then you begin the quell the chances of more unnecessary wars. There are no winners; only losers.

On this Memorial Day, May 25, 2005 I mourn the death of America. Her body remains, but her soul is gone.

Ray

You know nothing of America, its past, or its soul.

I see in the military mentality, the same kind of uncritical loyalty as a dog to its master.

That sort of mentality is indeed dangerous... but you'll see that a soldier is not obligated to carry out orders that are blatantly unethical. I can't remember the term that is used. This is just a further reason to have extensive safeguards/oversight on the people who are authorized to deploy the military.

If you honor the war dead as heroes, you will get more wars.

Fuck You.

If you honor the war dead as heroes, it does not downplay the human cost of war.

It isn't the soldier's fault that the war he fights may be illegitimate.

And the majority of the US military casualties have been in conflicts that were perfectly justifiable.

On this Memorial Day, May 25, 2005 I mourn the death of America. Her body remains, but her soul is gone.

Posted by Ray at 2009-05-25 02:40 PM

We've been dead for 4 years and didn't even know it??

Then I guess I would be justified in one last "Bush's fault".

"I see in the military mentality, the same kind of uncritical loyalty as a dog to its master."

So now you equate the military to dogs.

Have you ever BEEN in the military?

Contrary to your belief, checking your brain at the door isn't a prerequisite.

With your victim mentality, you'll always be a victim, never a winner.

Buffalo bob in #112 is 100% correct.

IOW, you're a loser.

SO Uncle Joseph Murphy USAF was an instructor for the F104 Star Fighter training Jordanian pilots.

He crashed in 1967.

Apparently the F104 was a really fast jet--a "rocket" as my Dad puts it.

Grumman paid the family $100,000. They paid pilot families right and left back then.

There's two atheists, Buffalo Bob and Zombiehunter, who attack religion mercilessly. But watch them snap back when I attack their religion.

Then there is Babu who thinks there is virtue in being paid to kill.

Rogue thinks I'm blaming the Republican Bush, when the Democrat Obama is continuing the legacy of endless wars.

Keep it up dogs. You're proving me right. Growl and bark all you want. I'm done with this thread.

There's two atheists, Buffalo Bob and Zombiehunter, who attack religion mercilessly. But watch them snap back when I attack their religion.

I'm an agnostic, and I have no religious beliefs per se. I'll bite the fucking head off of any shitbag who makes an ass of himself.

Keep it up dogs. You're proving me right. Growl and bark all you want.

God forbid that someone might get offended when you make light of the sacrifice of the people who have served in the armed forces.

Woof woof, motherfucker.

I'm done with this thread.

Good riddance. When are you going to be done with the retort? Doesn't the plasma universe site need some polishing?

To whom this applies --

please take all take your anti-military, political bullshit to another thread. Thanks.

Murphy

CC--love the history on your family.

Very cool on the Rattlers.

Since you have so much information on Gilligan--you could add that to the wiki--right?

#103 | Posted by MURPHY at 2009-05-25 01:32

I guess you're referring to the links (in my post #22) where my uncle "John J. Gilligan, Jr" and the destroyer escort named in his honor "USS GILLIGAN - DE-508" each had links in Wikipedia?

NO ONE was more suprised than I was to find that info in Wikipedia! I have no clue who put it in there. I don't even know how to have info submitted to have it linked in Wikipedia. In fact, when I first came across those links, I looked at the end of both those Wikipedia articles to see who may have submitted it but couldn't find a name.

All I can think of is perhaps the info was submitted to Wikipedia by a person belonging to either one of two veteran groups which have made reference to my uncle --

1) 1st Marine Raider Division consisting of a group of veterans dedicated to preserving 1st Marine Raider history, or

2) One of the members of DESA (Destroyer Escort Service Association) which consists of individual chapters of veterans who had served on various DEs (and one of those chapters consisted of members who had served on the USS Gilligan -DE 508)

You know, your Dad's own military record is mentioned in a few links on the internet. You ought think about submitting your father's military history to Wikipedia. Why not? Maybe someone on here knows how to do it and can give you a couple of tips how to go about it.

My father - Navy WWII
Uncle Paul - Killed in Italy, WWII
Uncle John - Shot down and killed in Burma WWII
Uncle Chuck - Army WWII
Uncle Don - Army Korean War

Oops,

Cousin David, Brigadier General, Marine Corps Baghdad

#7 | Posted by CalifChris

Libertarian_GI - US Army

I wanna give a shout out to:
My Grandfather - USMC Guadalcanal WWII
My Father - US Army Airborne Germany
My Nephew - US Army MP Iraq
My Uncle - USN WWII Pacific

#7 | Posted by CalifChris

Libertarian_GI - US Army

Posted by libertarian_gi at 2009-05-25 05:48 PM

Thanks. Got ya. You're added on to the list.

We've had a few new additions and a couple of corrections so I'll repost the list again one more time on this thread a little later on so everyone can check it out to make sure it's now all up to date.

Thanks to serving your country of all veterans and current status military personnel of all services..
my Mom had a total of 13 brothers and brothers-in-law, of which all but 2 served in all branches...we had a ton of cousins that served; out of all of this a couple wounded and one still residing at Pearl...
I served 3 years at outset of Nam....stationed out of Okinawa...great memories of time spent and served with several who were not fortunate enough to walk out of Nam...one in particular...my pal Joe, a black street guy from NY, who educated a young 18 year old white guy from the south to the differences in extreme backgrounds of culture and life and how though things seemed so different from the outside, there is little on the inside of all of us that is that much far apart...the military was great for me in many ways in growth and exposure to many different styles of life and people, but who also saw when it came to laying it down for your country, there were no racial or cultural barriers...

DrSoul

I served 3 years at outset of Nam....stationed out of Okinawa...

Were you Army? USMC? USN? I'll add you to the list (see post #5) if you wish.
Just leave me a post with the branch of service.

I said I would update our DR military veterans list (shown upthread in #5) before the end of the day to now include some new names (and/or corrections).

Below is the latest list. Any errors let me know and they'll be corrected prior to the next time the list is posted.

Also -- I'd appreciate it if a few of you on DR would also keep a copy of this list, just in case I'm not around on DR anymore to put it up. I think most on here would like to keep up our tradition of posting the names of our DR veterans on special occasions, so it's best a few others on here also keep a copy handy. Thanks.


LIST OF DR MILITARY VETERANS

RexZeitgeist - US Army
Goatman - US Navy
Prolix247 - US Navy
Reagan58 - US Army (Special Forces)
OzarkAggie - US Navy (Submarine Service)
BuffaloBob - US Air Force
Cowboy - USCG
Boaz - US Army
Vernon - US Air Force
Beachbuzz - US Army
Rastaninja - US Army Reserve
Tadowe - US Army
Sarge - US Air Force
Judas - USMC
101Chairborne - US Army
Commonsense-US Navy
Briwo - US Army
Walt - US Army
Tron - US Army
USN - US Navy
Babuenthal - USMC
GrumpyToo - USMC
RealPlus5 - US Navy
Frosty - US Air Force
TedBaxter -- US Navy
KatieBerry - US Army, National Guard
FrankF55- US Army
Dutch46 -- USCG
Trooper -US Army
Sniper - US Army
lwalk17 - US Air Force
RightisRight - US Army
RightOCenter - US Air Force
MSgt - US Air Force (Ret).
John47 - US Air Force
TFDNihilist -- USMC
Herm - US Navy
OldWhiskeySour - US Air Force
KGBeekeeper - USMC
Oohrah's son Bob - USMC
LilBrit - WRNS (Womens Royal Naval Service)
Mattm - Minnesota Army NG (22 yrs. w/1 yr. active duty in Kosovo)
JustSomeGuy - US Navy
TownnCountry - US Navy, USNR
Itsme - US Army
TJTull - US Air Force
Timbci - US rmy
JeffnDenmark - US Navy
Observer27 - US Army
Mr. Retaliation - US Air Force
SPC_Evil - US Army
Cmpbell72 - USMC
ChickenRancher - USAF
MistaKurtz - USAF
vma224 - USMC
JustinPhx - US Navy
Libertarian_GI - US Army
DrKnowItAll - US Navy
rabiabidabi - US Navy
Mictian101 - USMC

My uncle Woodrow Walker, Korea, deceased, US Army
My uncle Bud Walker, Korea, deceased, US Army
My uncle Bill Dozier, Vietnam, deceased, USAF

Lonnie

Just leave me a post with the branch of service.

#127 | Posted by CalifChris


Me too...US Army Engineers

My Dad was in the Army, stationed in California prior to Pearl Harbor. He served a total of 5 years and some monthes. Almost all of that was in the Pacific. I know that he was on New Caledonia, Bora Bora, Saipan, and the Philipines. At one point he had a pet monkey that he inherited from someone. The only time in my life that I know of that Dad talked about the war and the fighting that he did was on a Sunday afternoon during the late 50's. Several of my Mom's siblings met at my aunt's house. The TV mini series "Victory at Sea" was on the tube. The children were banned from the house, The women were relagated to the kitchen. My Dad and at least 4 of my Uncles, all veterans, watched the show and swapped war stories. I know that he had a Purple Heart and a huge scar on his upper arm but I have never heard any details of his military career.

Cowboy

In my experience the veterans of that generation did not discuss their experiences except very rarely. My first boss was a POW in Germany who escaped. I never would have known but for his sons telling me about it. I asked Leonard directly and he told me it was just a part of his life experience and wasn't that big a deal. And wouldn't share any more than that. A very kind generous man who did well.

Chris

Thanks for your sharing your Uncle Jackie with us. My first ship was a DE.

CalifChris,

US Army 1976-1980

Thank you.

CalifChris...
US Army 1964-67

Thanks

CalifChris

USMC 1992-1998

Thanks for doing this, really cool.

CalifChris,

US Army 1976-1980

Thank you.

#133 | Posted by evilpolock at 2009-05-26 09:34 AM


CalifChris...

US Army 1964-67

Thanks

#134 | Posted by drsoul at 2009-05-26 09:57 AM


CalifChris

USMC 1992-1998

Thanks for doing this, really cool.

#135 | Posted by jwil72 at 2009-05-26 03:03


evilpolock, drsoul, and jwil72

Have now make sure you three guys have been added on to our "DR Military Veterans" list. We put usually post the list on holidays -- or anytime an occasion may call for it. And for sure it will be posted on DR again July 4th!

And no need to be thanking me as I, and all other Americans, should be the ones to thank YOU! Hope y'all had an enjoyable Memorial Day.

my post above -- made a couple screw-ups with some of the wording but who cares

I belong to a group you hear little about although there are thousands of us: militarybrats.com

I'd also like to recognize military wives.

From all of us to all of you who recognize us, thank you.

You're sick, Chris. Sick! The military has brought nothing but death, destruction, moral bankuptcy, financial bankruptcy and loss of liberty to this country. They're not serving their country; they are serving the power hungry politicians in Washington and the greedy fucks in the weapons industry. The glory days are gone. Take a shower and try to come to your senses.

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