He never did put the bill online for 5 days allowing the public to comment/read. Has he done that with any other non-emergency bill yet?

They watched gun-rights supporters gain a victory from a Democratic-controlled Congress and a Democratic president that they couldn't achieve under a Republican Congress and president. Many blamed the National Rifle Association, which pushed hard for the gun law.

Now, I don't care one way or the other when it comes to being allowed to carry in national parks, but I just gotta say to all the irrational anti-gun nuts out there.

HA. HA.

you'll think differently Axiom when some innocent family is gunned down in a National Park. Mark My words.

Larry

you'll think differently Axiom when some innocent family is gunned down in a National Park. Mark My words.

Larry, you think this law will enable criminals to do what they want?

BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!

Let's picture this:

Joe criminal has been wanting to go to a National park for years and gun somebody down, but the lack of a law allowing him to carry a gun into the park has kept it from happenning. But now that there is such a law, Joe is reconsidering.

Right.

And you have only one senator and blue colored blood in your veins.

You're a riot, Larry.

joe criminal has been wanting to go to a National park for years and gun somebody down, but the lack of a law allowing him to carry a gun into the park has kept it from happenning. But now that there is such a law, Joe is reconsidering.
~Goat

More likely to be the end result of a escalated dispute over a parking space..

More likely to be the end result of a escalated dispute over a parking space.

FF

But having been to Yosemite in the summertime, I can actually empathize.

Naturally, the ObamaMamas seeking some Good News for the country didn't have "time" to restructure the bill without the gun clause.

I like it.

Often when I'm traveling around the Ozarks I camp in some pretty primitive settings. Saves on fees and it avoids the crowds. But then when you want a real shower and pull into a COE, PS or FS campground the rifle goes into the case and that goes into the tool box. Double locked.

Now I don't have to go to that trouble just to take a real shower.

As for butt pussies like LaRrY, stay in daddies basement.

"More likely to be the end result of a escalated dispute over a parking space."

Yeah, and thanks to the gun nuts and cowardly politicians, disputes over parking places, campsites, etc., can now be "negotiated" with firearms.

thanks to the gun nuts

And when was your last trip to the Wild?

Boy Scouts doesn't count btw.

"And when was your last trip to the Wild?"

It's irrelevant. But since you ask I have hiked/backpacked extensively in california wilderness areas. Didn't carry a gun. Didn't even consider it. Saw bears. Didn't get eaten. Any other stupid questions?

Didn't get eaten.

#10 | Posted by nullifidian at 2009-05-22 06:56 PM

"Some people aren't so lucky."

Yes, some people die of natural causes--drowning, hypothermia, falling, animal bites, etc., in national parks. Thanks for verifying that fact, genius.

Of course, the real reason to post pictures like that is the same as abortion protestors' use of aborted fetus pics--to use emotion to scare, er, persuade.

"Of course, the real reason to post pictures like that is the same as abortion protestors' use of aborted fetus pics--to use emotion to scare, er, persuade."

No its just a fact....

Of course, the real reason to post pictures like that is the same as abortion protestors' use of aborted fetus pics--to use emotion to scare, er, persuade.

And what was the purpose of your single anecdotal retort?

Didn't carry a gun. Didn't even consider it. Saw bears. Didn't get eaten. Any other stupid questions?

Thanks for verifying that fact, genius.

And thank you for verifying the fact that people die of other causes than being eaten -- genius. LOL

"And what was the purpose of your single anecdotal retort? "

Moron. Of course anecdotal evidence is irrelevant. That's what I said in the first line of my post, dumbass.

"To try to force your desire on everyone. It's like abortion: If you don't want to carry a gun -- don't do it. But don't try to convince everyone that your decision is the only correct one."

What a dumb shit. You can just as easily say that the gun nuts are forcing theirdesires on all visitors to national parks.

"It's like abortion: If you don't want to carry a gun -- don't do it."

That may be the most moronic argument frequently spouted on Drudge. Hey, don't like murder and torture? Don't pass a law! Just don't do it, you Statist!

Moron. Of course anecdotal evidence is irrelevant. That's what I said in the first line of my post, dumbass.

Maybe if you called me a few more names, you'd have me convinced of your point, null. So far, you haven't called me enough.

What a dumb shit.

That may be the most moronic argument

Still need a few more adolescent taunts, null. I'm not quite convinced yet.

you'll think differently Axiom when some innocent family is gunned down in a National Park. Mark My words.

Doubtful, Larry.

Unlike you, I'm perfectly capable of understanding that if someone is bent on killing people, the law is probably the last thing they think of.

I can see both sides of the argument, though. Disputes over "you stole my camp site" or what have you do offer up some possibilities of armed conflict. The problem with that stance is that it's the same used by the anti-gun crowd when talking about concealed carry or open carry laws.

If you'd bother to educate yourself on the statistics, you'd find that it just isn't the case.

Will someone get shot in a national park? Probably. Will it be a direct result of this law? No, since it's already happened in the past when it was illegal to carry a loaded gun there.

Of course, the real reason to post pictures like that is the same as abortion protestors' use of aborted fetus pics--to use emotion to scare, er, persuade.

If you're not capable of handling the results of said actions (abortions, people being eaten by wild animals), perhaps you should rethink your stance. Seems you have some unresolved issues.

Glad he signed the credit card bill. FINALLY, people not deserving of a credit card will not be offered one. Akin to stopping people from obtaining a home mortgage who does not qualify financially.

Getting back to basics is the only way to get our economy back on track.

I carry a 40 cal carbine. Just right for coyotes and catfish. It's better to walk smart, but a smart guide carries a 12 gauge with slugs because that's what it takes to stop a bear. Sometimes just a shot to the ground or into a tree will scare them away.

I've never carried a firearm exclusively for critters. I've had people shoot into my camp. 3 rounds from a 40 cal gets their attention. I do my shooting on the range but some people shoot indiscriminately.

There's also thieves in the camps. They can be scared off too because they're cowards, afraid to work for what they want or be happy with what they got - not surprisingly it's the Jones they got for drugs or alcohol that dominates their mangy existence. I'd shoot one in the foot to keep him from running away. That's fair enough. I'm sure the county will be willing to

Mostly I meet responsible men and women, and elderly but able couples who like like to park for a season. My secret ambition is to be Campground Host. But only while I'm there. Like maybe a Campground Host in Residence.

I play safe and that includes defense of self and others. Usually it's first aid. Good directions. I carry a week of food and water. You'll find other guys like me on the road, in the small places. Heart of America.

I think regardless of which side of the gun issue you happen to be on this was still a dastardly way for Coburn to get his bill passed. This is a perfect example of why so many of our laws are so screwed up. Bills should address one subject and becided on that subject not used as vehicles to get unrelated issues forced through Congress on the back of important legislation. This one makes me wish Obama had that line item veto thing and not because I really care that much about guns in National Parks either. Just because that issue is seperate and should have been decided on its own merit.

This credit card bill does not fix the problem. SOME irresponsible people should not have credit cards at all. When a credit card company charges you a huge late fee or over the limit fee they are hoping you MFers will cut up the card and pay off the balance. They don't want your business and you MFers can't take the hint. You MFers will ruin this sweet credit card deal for all of us just like you MFers did with mortgages.

fwthom I hope your company goes under like several other telecom companies and you are unable to pay your bills.

fwthom I hope your company goes under like several other telecom companies and you are unable to pay your bills.

And you wonder why I refuse to meet you in Laredo for a beer. LOL

"When a credit card company charges you a huge late fee or over the limit fee they are hoping you MFers will cut up the card and pay off the balance. They don't want your business and you MFers can't take the hint."

Riiight. Like they can't just cut your available credit whenever they want to. They LOVE IT when you have to pay them fees and more interest. Duh!

Gee ozarkaggie... why would you want to shoot a coyote? Do you hillbillies eat them? As for shooting catfish with a 40 cal carbine, you gonna eat that too?

Now you know why the South lost the civil war.

why would you want to shoot a coyote?

I had a young dog circled near around and after firing one into the ground I put another across the back of one who didn't give ground. I've never killed one.

You've probably never seen an 85 pound catfish. Try landing one in a flat boat. One shot to the head will keep you out of the river.

And I'm a straight up Yankee.

They don't want your business and you MFers can't take the hint.

If they didn't want my business, I think they would disable my credit card, not wait for me to cut it up.

It's like abortion: If you don't want to carry a gun -- don't do it.

So 15,000 Americans have forced abortions every year? There are drive-by abortions? Texans are worried about Mexican abortion cartels killing them on their own streets?

We read posts here about three people aborted in the back by some whacked out Texas woman? A disgruntled Professor aborts three babies because they were going to divorce him? The Queen made a comment about the Virginia Tech abortions?

Is that what your saying?

Seriously?

People are missing my point. As soon as you spend one dollar more this month than you have in income, it is one dollar less you will have to spend next month and if you carry it on a credit card you compound the problem. If you carry credit card balances for years the amount of disposable income you have in the future continues to shrink. It's a self creating poverty cycle. It is not sustainable and exactly what Barry is doing with the Federal budget.

Changing credit card rules will not address the problem that some people have with credit cards. The problem is only visible when they look in the mirror.

"It is not sustainable and exactly what Barry is doing with the Federal budget."

It was also unsustainable when Boy George was doing it, yet there you were, cheerleading all the time.

Tell us...did you just wake up to the dangers of debt, or does it only matter when the guy has a (D) after his name?

It was also unsustainable when Boy George was doing it, yet there you were, cheerleading all the time.

I don't remember fwthom cheerleading Bush's racking up debts, but I'll assume you are telling the truth, danforth, and that he was.

However, I know for a fact that I never did and I concur 100% with fwthom's post. What deflection do you have for me?

You're a dickhead?

Dems and Repubs have spent more money than we had for years in an effort to buy votes, but Barry has taken the deficit to a power of 10 higher. Even he admits it is unsustainable. The question then remains, "How do we stop him and Congress from bankrupying the country or is it already too late?"

"What deflection do you have for me?"

Why would I need a deflection? I agreed with Fwthom's belief it's unsustainable, and merely pointed out his lack of Bush bashing when the unsustainable spending was being done by a guy with an (R) after his name.

...pointed out his lack of Bush bashing ...
=
...yet there you were, cheerleading all the time.

???

Whatever you say.

"???"

1. Fwthom is a long-time Bush cheerleader.
2. He never, to my knowledge, bashed Bush for what he's bashing Obama.

What don't you understand?

What don't you understand?

That lack of bashing is equivalent to cheerleading an issue.

Please, I mean please, don't tell me you are an adherent to this logical fallacy. I took you to be smarter than that.

"That lack of bashing is equivalent to cheerleading an issue."

I never said Fwthom specifically cheerlead the unsustainable spending. My reference was that he cheerlead everything (R), and never bashed Bush about anything, particularly Bush's unsustainable spending.

Please, I mean please, don't tell me you are an adherent to illogical comprehension.

I never said Fwthom specifically cheerlead the unsustainable spending.

???

danforth, I have a PGUP key on my keyboard

It was also unsustainable when Boy George was doing it, yet there you were, cheerleading all the time.

#32 | Posted by Danforth at 2009-05-23 06:46 PM

That lack of bashing is equivalent to cheerleading an issue.
Please, I mean please, don't tell me you are an adherent to this logical fallacy. I took you to be smarter than that.
#39 | POSTED BY GOATMAN AT 2009-05-23 11:48 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

Really?

Oh, boo fucking hoo. What do you want to bet that the author of this piece, Andie Coller, frequently referred to 'teabaggers'? If not did (s)he write a piece admonishing those who did?

Cry me a fucking river.

#24 | POSTED BY GOATMAN AT 2009-05-23 07:33 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

I dont have a problem with having the ability to carry in a park.

there have been MANY incidents on the appalacian trail of hikers being preyed uppon by crazies.

Not to mention the ocasional irate black bear.

I dont WANT to see a black bear dead, but if its me or the bear, well i guess having a new rug to go in front of the fireplace wouldnt be too bad.

As far as the crazies go.. yeah, i see that as a public service. some of the more clever serial killer types can go on doing it for years.

aside from all of that happy horse shit. i am glad to see the credit card companies brought to task for their evil practices.

"I never said Fwthom specifically cheerlead the unsustainable spending. My reference was that he cheerlead everything (R), and never bashed Bush about anything, particularly Bush's unsustainable spending."

Sort of a "teabagger". Where were all these folks when Reagan, Bush 1 and Bush 2 were running up the debt....ON PURPOSE....as part of their "starve the beast" strategy????
They were cheering that "great Bush economy" and pretending home values would continue rising indefinitely. They insulted anyone who hinted that perhaps it was a house of cards. Now, with President Obama inaugurated they start a "movement" about deficit spending and taxation that virtually none of them will ever have to pay.
I hope the term "tea bagger" sticks, it came from one of their own and it has a nice ring to it.

#44 | Posted by danni

Typical progressive bullshit.

So what you are saying is that because Reagan, Bussh 1 and Bush2 ran up the debt and nobody said anything that it is now ok for your messiah to do the same and nobody should say anything?

"They were cheering that "great Bush economy" and pretending home values would continue rising indefinitely:.

Who was cheering?

"They insulted anyone who hinted that perhaps it was a house of cards".

Who are they?

"Now, with President Obama inaugurated they start a "movement" about deficit spending and taxation that virtually none of them will ever have to pay"

So what you are saying is that this economic crisis will not affect these people as the payback will happen after they have died? If this is the case, FUCK global warming, I will be dead before its effects (if GB is in fact a reality) could ever affect me.

FUCK global warming, I will be dead before its effects (if GB is in fact a reality) could ever affect me.

Typical, no kids I guess.

BTW unfortunately GB was a reality you can now find him riding his bike in Dallas...

#46 | Posted by Zap

You missed the point sparky.

You missed the point sparky.

LOL well then explain yourself........

Phony politicians' crap. Horseshit and gunsmoke. They still don't have a limit on usurious interest rates.

This bill did nothing for the consumer. It just allowed guns into National Parks---noted high crime areas of criminal American bears and deer.

BFD

FUCK global warming, I will be dead before its effects (if GB is in fact a reality) could ever affect me.

#45 | Posted by chickenrancher at 2009-05-24 11:00 AM | Reply | Flag

Fuck all life except your own--typical republican philosophy---when are we going to elect them back to power? The future needs such thinkers and planners.

If we followed the same "scientist" in the 70's, we were all in danger of freezing to death and needed to do something or life would all end by the year 2000. Now, 30 years or so later, we are all going to die in 30 years or so unless we address global warming. Same liars, different lies.

Did you ever think the problem might be the idiots and their predictive models, not the earth?

Short example: lets say that you find a buck on the floor while you are flippin burgers today... so you project your budget based on finding that same buck every day for the next 1000 years, then you proceed to spend that money... when you don't continually find that extra buck, what do you do?

All these projections for 5 or 10 or 30 years in the future are mathmatical smoke and mirrors. In the computer biz, we have an old saying "Garbage in, garbage out".

As for changing the credit cards... this is so much bullshit. Does anyone think that the fees charged today won't simply morph into new fees and charges. So, you can't push the interest to 30 pct... but can you add a new fee? Maybe a phone call fee... like 10 bucks every time they call your dead-beat ass to try and collect their money?

Giving you 45 days notice instead of 30... sure, gonna change everything... prevent late payments, make the world rosy, etc. HA HA HA HA HA HA

Along with the weapon permit should be a 'Certificate of Completion', with acompanying wallet sized card, of a 'Certified' gun-handling course from a State Licensed Specialist. With this your carry should be permitted ANYWHERE!

Abortion is a States rights issue and should NEVER be Federalized, same with Minimum Wage! WE'RE Passing the buck, to many times, on priviledge and our rights to others to take charge of, right or wrong! Do you feel it all slipping away yet?