It was God speaking, because God told me so. He also told me that it couldn't have been a seizure because seizures weren't known about the last time God spoke to man.

Morphine is a wonderful drug!!!

LSD is better!

a man who converted to christianity from hedonism ran into one of his buddies a few years after they parted ways - he told his buddy, "I HAVE FOUND THE LORD!" his buddy, "is it true - CAN He turn water into wine?" the man responded, "i don't know about all that, but he turned the drugs i used to do into a loving family AND a furnished home!"

Was that God speaking - or just a seizure?

Naw-I farted-(I had refried beans last night)....

You mean God isn't a Blue Unicorn?

Fuck!

LSD is better!

#3 | Posted by silver_ironist

PCP is so good you'll chew your kids eyes out.

Jesus' first miracle was to turn water into wine so that people could continue getting drunk.

with all the world's misery I guess he had to start somewhere.

Zara-
I don't think that the experiment disproves religious experiences. I'm sure the sensation of being in love can be recreated in a lab, but that doesn't make love any less real.

(Sorry to pick such a cheesy emotion; I'm not going for an "aww" factor, it was just the first emotion that popped in my head)

#10 | Posted by truthhurts

the wine was used to also purify the water of imperfections.

the wine was used to also purify the water of imperfections.

God couldn't do that directly?

I'm thinking that wasn't really a pacemaker Cheney had on his belt, or that wasn't a receiver Bush had under his suit at the Kerry debate.

A little TMS and "God" is talking Dubya into invading Iraq and God knows what else...

This reminds me of a case of a man who had severe epilepsy and refused to take medication because each seizure was and experience that he could only describe as direct communion with God.

I've known two epileptics; One petit-mal, one gran-mal; They both would prefer to alter their consciousness on their own terms.

"the water of imperfections."

Most folks call that urine.

water of imperfections? heh

The gotcha clause of religion. Religion says you aren't good enough to be happy in your own right, you have to feel inferior and prone to sin and whatever you do is wrong, so you try to unburden the guilt with good works, pious behavior, proseletizing and in general being a pain in the ass to everybody else around you because you are preaching your message. Fuck that shit. Christians are the most disturbed class on earth. More harm has been done in the name of Christ than any other creed or tenet. When you fall into that trap of guilt, it is a circle jerk. You can never be "good" enough to just sit back and say, I am content to be where I am right now, I do not have to answer to anybody. If you have good intentions in your heart, that is all you need. Lose the guilt, gain happiness.

Certain people have worked overtime to try to debunking anything and everything to do with religion. It is entirely possible that some experiences are in fact "Mental fantasy's". Can it not just be possible that there isn't any real way to make this as a certain decision. I choose to believe in God and that he works sometimes through us as his children. Brain soft boiled? If you wish to believe so but I will take what God gives and the scientist can have test tubes.

Certain other people have worked overtime trying to convince the rest of us that their fairy tales are "the truth". Tit for tat.

It is not up to me to convince you that God is. He will work with you if you want. If not, you may remain as you wish. God says you have the freedom to deny him just as he will deny you when the time comes. Again, not up to me.

The historical implications of the "water to wine" thing was a little simpler than you are giving it credit for Nanc. It is rooted in old Jewish tradition.

During weddings the tradition was to serve the best wine first. That way the celebrators wouldn't notice that the quality went down the more inebriated the got. Notice that the Biblical account says that after Jesus makes the wine, one person comments that they "saved the best wine for last".

Jews did indeed get drunk. The wine was indeed alcoholic. Jesus never said that people shouldn't imbibe, he simply mentions temperance. It was a celebration however... a special occasion. He obliged.