on the beck show night before last, he stated that there were 5,000 retired california employees receiving over $100,000 in retirement benefits per year and the city of vallejo went bankrupt for the same issue - retired employees receiving upwards of $125,000 per year.

LET THEM FAIL!

I know one of them. When he told me what he was making I almost shit myself.

I know another retired person receiving a state sponsored pension who is receiving 110% of his salary in retirement.

I think we need to start at STOPPING all entitlements to illegals and their famalies.

There is 9 Billion right off the bat.

i know ALOT of retired government employees - some go out at 70-90% of their working salaries - tax free i might add. with medical, dental and vision. all union driven.

How do they manage "Tax-free"? I thought only medical retirements were tax free.

#4 | Posted by nanc at 2009-05-20 09:52 AM | Reply

Yes and the union signed that contract unilateraly too I bet.

70-90% is not uncommon depending on the amount of years.

#5 | Posted by chickenrancher

forgot that part - yes - medical outs at 75%. others are taxed. my apology.

#7 | Posted by chickenrancher

compared with social security - it sounds sweet! but then again, you're NOT providing a service to anybody when you retire.

#8 | Posted by nanc

correction "70%", not "75%" - still....

Apparently the peoples of california have spoken and they have voted 'to not give a shit'.

I can't wait until the budget cuts start.

lipz - thing is...they won't cut the fat - they'll cut the lean. i've worked in cali budgets and when the lean needs more personnel they ignore it and hire more fat.

Check out this line form the Drudge Report article;

The governor also wants to borrow up to $6 billion, but awaits word on whether Washington would guarantee those loans. The White House has never done so for the state but is considering the action as Wall Street expresses concern that California could become a deadbeat borrower.

Pot - Kettle

Nanc,

That's because politics are more important than fiscal responsibility.

It's the same problem on the federal level.

fuggem.

#1 | Posted by nanc

Nanc how is taking someone's retirement that they earned any different than the republican mantra of taxes takes money from people who earn it and redistributes it to those who did not?

So you do believe in redistributing wealth as long as it is not yours.

Also,
I voted against those propositions knowing Arnold just cut a deal with CA corporations that allows them to determine what tax rate they will pay on out of state sales, or at all .

So the Republican Governor gave corporations a tax break while trying to impose a tax hike on individual citizens.

That is what is wrong with California - we have an inexperienced, incompetent Republican Governor who drove this state into the ground with his cult of personality.

Davis must be smiling with this vindication...

#3 | Posted by chickenrancher

I agree with this but with the caveat that medical attention is always a human right.

Once the individual has fully recovered, we can bill (or reduce grants) to which ever country they are a national of and deport them respectfully not criminally.

Prolix --

The CA taxpayers sure delivered a resounding "NO" last night to all but one of the propositions on the ballot. Thank God Proposition 1A (among others) went down in flames. The Sacramento politicians and Governor Arnie would have taxed Californians into oblivion had they passed.

Californian taxpayers have spoken. The politicians better listen!

One of the biggest irritants to me is to have to pay California state sales tax on anything I buy online. Oregon doesn't charge state sales tax for items purchased online and probably many other states don't either but California taxes you every which way they can. If anything, last night's voting results send a LOUD message. Let's hope Sacramento paid attention.

Oregon has no sales tax, so of course it doesn't.

I think we need to start at STOPPING all entitlements to illegals and their famalies.

There is 9 Billion right off the bat.

#3 | Posted by chickenrancher

,makes way too much sense..I saw report about all of the things that could be cut and free shit to illegals WAS NOT AMOUNG THEM.....

and so its going to be such a problem for california to "
LIVE WITHIN ITS MEANS??????????

gee such radical thinking

fuggem.

#15 | Posted by nanc at 2009

problem with that is that no matter what arnold said the other day....he will take any bailouts THE REST OF US GIVE THEM

So the Republican Governor gave corporations a tax break while trying to impose a tax hike on individual citizens.

That is what is wrong with California - we have an inexperienced, incompetent Republican Governor who drove this state into the ground with his cult of personality.

Davis must be smiling with this vindication...

#16 | Posted by Prolix247 at 2009-05-20 12

oh pro...please..you are wrong right off the bat.
ARNOLD IS NO REPUBLICAN>...at least not a recognized one by me and conservatives...he is a rino through and through.

AND he has a democrat leg that you are completely letting off the hook..........thats bullshit

but you are right about old gray...........
he HAS to be smiling a big smile

HEY MAYBE you guys should have elected the OTHER ARNOLD INSTEAD...the little guy from the tv show who was running..........

#18 | Posted by CalifChris

It was known that this special election would fail, just like last time. That is why Arnold was out of town. So he would not be around to wallow in his shame.

Arnold has no control of the legislature. He cannot even control his own party which acts like a cabal with the 2/3 majority and their no new taxes mantra.

Arnold and the republican legislatures are simply not doing their jobs negotiating in honesty for the betterment of the State. They are ideologues. That is why Arnold was forced once again to go around his own party and go directly to the people.

The people rightfully said go back and do the job you were elected to do and we will not compromise on certain issues. And forget about a raise...

"fuggem."

Please help us, please help us pay for $6Billion in embryonic stem cell research. Please help us pay for $2.5 billion lost to fraudulent claims, mostly by crooked doctors, dentists, pharmacists and others.

Please help us add more workers to the taxpayer funded payrolls with nearly 5,000 workers in fiscal year 2004-2005, and plans to add at least 6,000 more in fiscal year 2005-2006. We need more....

Please help Oakland pay nearly $97 million to 811 city employees, many in public safety jobs, who earned at least $100,000 between July 2003 and June 2004.

Please help, don't you guys care? You heartless fucks....

Please help, don't you guys care? You heartless fucks....

#24 | Posted by AndreaMackris

in the words of the wonderfull nanc

"fuggem"

not to mention the "fairy shrimp" and "sea otter" projects!

cali has too long been stepping over dollars to pick up dimes - LET THEM FAIL!

#22 | Posted by afkabl2

Arnold wears an (R) next to his name no matter what your opinions are about his politics, he IS one of yours. It seems republicans live by the cult of personality (Reagan, Bush, Arnold, Palin, should I go on?).

If he was successful you better believe all you republicans would be screaming his name from the mountain tops.

But he is not, so he is a RINO, just like Bush.

In CA the republicans who are the minority hold the cards due to 2/3 budget approval. I am fair minded but that is were the issues lay.

This guy is so full of it.

It's the spending that is killing this state.

And they want to continue with the same spending and by the way we'll raise your taxes to the nth degree.

What a whiner--yeah blame the voters.

Doesn't the gov't get it? Maybe they will with this vote.

We exercised our power to vote and the media complains.

ARNOLD IS NO REPUBLICAN>...at least not a recognized one by me and conservatives...he is a rino through and through.
#22 | Posted by afkabl2

Cute. He's one of you until you don't like him and something goes wrong. If we have to claim Kucinich, you have to claim Arnold et al. Get over it.

#24 | Posted by AndreaMackris

Do you even realize that if California goes under so will the rest of the US. Is that want you want?

We still have the 7th largest economy in the world. We are the engine of the US, where we go, you will follow...

ahnold has and always will be a kennedy to me. a rino if you will.

not to mention the "fairy shrimp" and "sea otter" projects!
cali has too long been stepping over dollars to pick up dimes - LET THEM FAIL!
#26 | Posted by nanc

Watch something OTHER than Glenn Beck for once...

The stupid dems in California run their State the way Barry runs the Federal Government and the way many dopes who run up their credit cards and buy things they don't need or can't afford and then make minimum payments untill the house of cards collapses.

Fun Watching dead beat dems Thom

5,000 retired california employees receiving over $100,000 in retirement benefits

Wanna guess what percentage of them are retired cops and firemen?

ARNOLD IS NO REPUBLICAN>...at least not a recognized one by me and conservatives...he is a rino through and through.

And aflac-isn't that the same Arnold you Republicans were wanting to amend the Constitution for so he could run for President when he won the Governator election? But nice to see you've stopped pretending to be anything but a NOPper.

They need to cut every person who works for the gov't paycheck by 6%--across the board. Including the prison guards.

This might save some jobs.

And that includes gov't workers and the contractors they hire.

The illegal immigrants are killing this state with the cost of schooling, prisons and health care.

They need to use e-verify for every worker in the state to ensure they are here legally. Boot them out politely.

Send all the illegals in prison to their country of origin.

PRO and SYS

neither of you are correct

IF he were successfull it would be because he was able to carry out CONSERVATIVE ideas in that state.....get it...the same old shit and even worse has not been the answer..........

and syc...its not OUR fault that kucinch is a dem...
I mean you took spector so your standards couldnt be ALL THAT HIGH....lol

and pro.,.again...in the post I commented on...you gave the LEG a complete pass............and I dont believe for one moment that republicans in california have that much weight for you to blame this on them and arnold...."AINT GONNA BUT THAT PIG"

Murphy,

What a slam dunk was given last night at the ballot box by the California taxpayers.

All those propositions defeated with over 60% voting "NO"!

The California taxpayers sent their message loud and clear to those sleezy politicians and our two-timing, hypocritical Governor in Sacramento.

And aflac-isn't that the same Arnold you Republicans were wanting to amend the Constitution for so he could run for President when he won the Governator election? But nice to see you've stopped pretending to be anything but a NOPper.

#33 | Posted by northguy3 at 2009

THANKS SO MUCH...for thinking that I have such an influence on conservatives and I dont think you would ever be able to find a post of mine wanting him to be president......FOR SURE not after a few months as governor

AND this old shit about so goes california, so goes the nation

ISNT IT ABOUT TIME To change that IF its true...
I would hope so...

What's the matter with all those selfish, unpatriotic Californians?

What Ahnahld should have done, is request a tax increase on everyone making over $250,000 per year. That's already been proven to work; Californians will gladly raise taxes on people who make more than they themselves do, which explains Obama's success.

Ah well. Live and learn.

It was good to see real democracy in action as the returns started to roll in last night. People have become so apathetic about voting on a number of issues but these propositions were the last straw. Sacramento needed to be taught a lesson -- and they were!

#32 | Posted by fwthom

You mean republicans.

We have a republican Governor and due to our constitutional 2/3 vote for all budgets the minority republican party has final say on all budgets.

That is why they are always late and hollowed out with corporate tax breaks.

You cannot give money away while trying to balance a budget. You need income to pay the bills.

If you think you can balance your budget by giving money away I could use a few thousand and I promise to create a job with it...

#34 | Posted by afkabl2

Arnold privatized everything he could and gave tax breaks to millionaires while attempting to increase taxes on individuals, so he WAS carrying out conservative policies.
...............
and pro.,.again...in the post I commented on...you gave the LEG a complete pass............and I dont believe for one moment that republicans in california have that much weight for you to blame this on them and arnold...."AINT GONNA BUT THAT PIG"

#34 | Posted by afkabl2
..............

By requiring a 2/3 majority for passage of a budget the republicans could and did control the majority of the budget. All they had to do is stall until the budget was overdue and the bill collector was knocking on the door. Then just to keep CA running with a good credit rating the Democrats caved every time and pulled whatever tax increase they were seeking.

Those evil Republicans. If only they weren't so intransigent, those responsible Democrats could raise taxes whenever they want, and bring back fiscal sanity.

Uh huh. Never mind that CA is already overtaxed, and that dozens of other states carry on with a far lesser tax burden. If only those rascally Repubs weren't so tight-fisted with CA's money, everything would be better. Or something.

prolix

you can blame it on republicans and other can blame it on dems

how about this

CALIFORNIANS fucked the state up..........how's that?

CALIFORNIANS fucked the state up..........how's that?

After they gave the world Reagan and Sonny Bono, is anybody really surprised?

#1 | Posted by nanc

Nanc how is taking someone's retirement that they earned any different than the republican mantra of taxes takes money from people who earn it and redistributes it to those who did not?

So you do believe in redistributing wealth as long as it is not yours.

I just wanted to post that again since nanc didn't (and won't) respond.

Spot on, Prox.

#39 | Posted by rightisright

I don't expect Republicans to change who they are, what I expect as a citizen of CA is that both republicans and democrats work together to find solutions.

What we have now is a small cabal of 6 republicans who can control the budget and only do so through ideology and not compromise for the betterment of our state.

I want the legislature to work together because a great patriot once said "together we stand - divided we fall."

Guess which one has been foisted on not only CA but the entire US...

So in Californication most of the electorate is Democrat and around 60% voted against tax increases, prefering budget cuts instead.

Hmmmmmm?

This is, I think, a watershed news story. California with its celebrity governor, and well publicized budget issues is an indicator of where the nation writ large is headed. I owned, until last year, a small business in Orange County, and I closed it primarily because it was more of a hassle to maintain a business presence in CA than it was worth. I also own a small business in NY, and believe it or not, CA is much worse than NY.. (and that's saying something)

People of all political leanings are becoming less and less trusting of their political leadership. After the weeks if not months of very public and acrimonious debate over this issue.. the voters in CA voted a resounding "NO." You cannot just keep raising taxes and growing government.. a lesson that we're going to learn one way or the other nationally.

I'm hoping, and cautiously optimistic, that the voters of the US are going to send that message in 2010. We're not Europe, we don't want to be Europe, and the politicos in both CA and Washington need to figure that out.

By the way.. the voters may not elect Republicans to send that message.. the government grew more under Republican leadership than it did under Clinton... so that's not firm ground to stand on.. The moderate and fiscally responsible dems may in fact hold the keys to stopping the Obama train to stagflation. The republicans, despite the outcry and ridicule of the Obama press, do seem to be returning in principle to small government ideals.. but the blue dog dems may beat them to it.

I'll be happy either way.. just stop the rush to socialism and European style irrelevance and complacency.

Does Nanc even work? Should older people live in poverty?

Everybody wants to cut taxes and cut other people's benefits until they see thier own benefits get cut. Missouri just passed a law exempting a certain percentage of retired military income from state income tax. Folks here at the office complained it was not more. I was rather unpopular when I said I would have voted against the tax exemption. Some of them were big tea bagger supporters. What they were really saying was, give us an entitlement that other people don't get, but don't expect us to have to pay for it.

Until we address entitlements, including government retirement plans, we have two choices: deficits or more taxes.

#40 | Posted by afkabl2

I cannot sweep what has happened under the rug.

This was a republican error.

Davis and company kept us going with less deficit and better services. Yes we pay high taxes but I want a GREAT state, not a mediocre one...

#44 | Posted by FreddyK

NO!

We said the legislature needs to pull their collective heads out of their asses and do the job they were elected to do.

Create a sustainable budget that both reduces spending and increase revenue and that certain issues are off the table for reductions, schools being one of them...

What we have now is a small cabal of 6 republicans who can control the budget and only do so through ideology and not compromise for the betterment of our state.

Six big, bad republicans control the State budget? In a overwhelming democrat majority in both the Assembly and Senate? You claim their ideology has created the mess California faces? Maybe you should have a look at the voters opinion regarding the foolish propositions. It is comical you take the same stance as the failed dems in Sacramento. Ignoring who controls what, when and why California has gone to the shitter.

No doubt there is "fat" in the budget. The problem is, even with yesterday's vote, the coming cuts will not necessarily be focused on the politically protected "fat". Rather, it is likely many "non-fat" programs will bear the brunt of the cuts. In my county, though I do not expect much personal impact, there will be repercussions.

CALIFORNIANS fucked the state up..........how's that?

After they gave the world Reagan and Sonny Bono, is anybody really surprised?

#41 | Posted by northguy3 at

this and other posts

dems STILL trying to blame ANYONE BUT THEMselves for being in this predicament.......

and remember they also gave us brittany and lohan...

#50 | Posted by crispee_oc

You obviously don't understand how budgets are passed in California to make that claim.

How can dems control any budget when 2/3 majority is required and the dems do not control 2/3 of the seats?

That means a small cabal of the opposition, in this case republicans, control the process simply by sating no. Did you know the republicans had to sign loyalty oaths to oppose any tax increase while giving people who buy yachts a break in sales taxes.

If you live in OC, CA, you should know that.

So in Californication most of the electorate is Democrat and around 60% voted against tax increases, prefering budget cuts instead.

Hmmmmmm?

#44 | Posted by FreddyK at 2009-05

thats right but see above.....as I said...dems will blame ANYONE but themselves

and this is also the state tHAT SAID NO TO GAY MARRIAGE AS WEll.........

#52 | Posted by afkabl2

I am not a dem, register Indy for 20 years. I just call it like I see it. I vote for what is best, not ideology. Ideology is what got us in this mess in the first place.

PRO

I dont give a damn how california got INTO there shit..
I just dont want to have to bail them OUT of the shit they got themseleves into....

and as was said earlier

TOMORROW they could save 6 billlion by not giving free shit to ILLEGAL workers..

am not a dem, register Indy for 20 years. I just call it like I see it. I vote for what is best, not ideology. Ideology is what got us in this mess in the first place.

#55 | Posted by Prolix247 at 2009

okay point made and taken...

I just dont think you can blame rank and file republicans for arnold....he belongs more in the kennedy compound than a gop meeting.

I just dont think you can blame rank and file republicans for arnold....he belongs more in the kennedy compound than a gop meeting.

#57 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2009-05-20 02:16 PM

And if he wasn't running cali. into the gound you'd be babbling on about him.

What do you care anyway? You live in the country of texaco.

Wait until the cuts start.

To make up 21 billion dollars; I estimate 50% cuts acorss the board at least if they want to retire the debt by next year end.

Something tells me prop 13 days are numbered.

TOMORROW they could save 6 billlion by not giving free shit to ILLEGAL workers..

#56 | Posted by afkabl2
................

AGREED

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#3 | Posted by chickenrancher

I agree with this but with the caveat that medical attention is always a human right.

Once the individual has fully recovered, we can bill (or reduce grants) to which ever country they are a national of and deport them respectfully not criminally.

#17 | Posted by Prolix247
...................

#57 | Posted by afkabl2

What ever gets you though the day my man...

California's government will be in financial straits for years to come. But even with that reality, the quality of life in most of the State is better than most everywhere else in the U.S. Can't beat the climate. Can't beat the natural beauty (from Yosemite to Big Sur, from the beaches of SoCal to the Redwoods and Sequoias). And most importantly, can't beat the easy going progressive mind set generally exhibited by most (though not all) people.

rasta - do you NOT see the correlation between unions and the mess this entire nation is in? do any of us really believe someone in local, county, state or fed government deserve over a hundred grand a year in retirement from civil service? i'm NOT saying they don't deserve a decent retirement pension and medical benefits. i'm saying the ones they have are killing them and IF they're bailed out will any of that change? when will we be bailing them again? it's like a pyramid scheme/scam. unsustainable.

And if he wasn't running cali. into the gound you'd be babbling on about him.

#58 | Posted by jerrytarkanian

Isn't this the guy GOP'hers wanted to change the Constitution for so he could be President just a few short months ago?

Fickle, fickle, fickle.

I see our compassionate conservatives wanting to solve California's financial woes on the backs of the poorest of the poor, lowest of the low, "illegals" who clean their toilets. Typical!

I did vote no on everything but holding up pay raises for legislators while there's no budget. That took some thought. The UU legislative ministry felt that penalizes people who stick to their principles. Then I thought that budgets are generally held up by Republicans, Republicans have no principles and being in corporate pockets anyway, don't depend on their state salaries for their cars and vacations. So I voted yes. So did 75% of other Californians. herm

I dont recall ANYONE here asking for that..you MIGHT BE right..but then we would have to have a parade or something since you being right is so rare..

OH OH>..another good one..........

#50 | Posted by crispee_oc

You obviously don't understand how budgets are passed in California to make that claim.

How can dems control any budget when 2/3 majority is required and the dems do not control 2/3 of the seats?

That means a small cabal of the opposition, in this case republicans, control the process simply by sating no. Did you know the republicans had to sign loyalty oaths to oppose any tax increase while giving people who buy yachts a break in sales taxes.

If you live in OC, CA, you should know that.

#53 | Posted by Prolix247 at 2009-05-20 02:12 PM |

I am well aware of how the budget works. I am also aware of the ridiculous spending and taxes democrats have tried to impose. Funny you ignore the voters opinion and how they sided with republicans. BTW... The last of the remaining republican run counties seems to be the most prosperous. Despite having no majority in either House.

WRONG AGAIN HERM

WE are simply pointing out californias NOT FOLLOWING THE LAW of immigration and then not having enough money for AMERICAN CITIZENS..

and besides...its too simple of an answer and certianly NOT one that a politician in california would even utter under his breath

The last of the remaining republican run counties seems to be the most prosperous. Despite having no majority in either House.

#65 | Posted by crispee_oc at 2009-05-20 02:27 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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BINGO AND BAM BAM DAM

look at other states who arent in the same shape and you will see by and large everyone of them with republican leaders..........ITS NOT A CO INCIDENCE PEOPLE>...............

#61 | Posted by nanc

You are a communist, but you want to be a party leader so your dictates do not involve you.

How can you even think people do not deserve their pensions that they worked for. Who cares what the amount is. Pensions can always be adjusted down for new hires to alleviate this issue in the future.

Look at CEO pay. Why not cap that? Do they deserve millions of dollars for ruining our economy?

Instead you want to punish middle income retired civil servants, who, by the way, protected you.

Did a CEO ever protect you???

#65 | Posted by crispee_oc

You obviously don't remember that OC has already claimed bankruptcy before haven't you?

Tax Revolts Rock...and they're just starting.

Well done California.

#67 | Posted by afkabl2

Again, Orange County, California which is considered the most red, most religious county in the US has already find for bankruptcy in the past. It was due to fraud perpetrated by a republican.

Look it up...

#65 | Posted by crispee_oc

You obviously don't remember that OC has already claimed bankruptcy before haven't you?

Meaning what? That was how long ago? Address the results of yesterdays election before asking me what I know or remember. I will love to see how you spin those results as the republicans fault.

Davis and company kept us going with less deficit and better services. Yes we pay high taxes but I want a GREAT state, not a mediocre one...

#48 | Posted by Prolix247

Pro--Davis was kicked out and the deficit was 15 billion then.

Arnold has been going about this with the same damn deficit--only now it's 21 billion.

Arnold compounded things like allowing 3 billion to go for stem cell research--our taxpayer dollars for something that should come form the private sector.

The legacy retirement plans are out of whack. Making more when you retire than when you were working is horse manure. They over promised and the politicians delivered the deals so they could be elected.

Here in San Diego--the mayor proposed that the three unions that run the city get 6% pay decrease across the board.

All three agreed. It was better to take the hit than have massive layoffs.

They should be doing the same in Sacto.

Obama will make up the difference with Federal tax money and then California will be told exactly what to do just like the automobile industry. The whole plan is to render the 10th amendment irrelevant that being said at least the citizens of California voted and were heard loud and clear too bad the politicians don't give a damn how you feel or vote this is not over...

#70 | Posted by IraqiBukkake

Not so much a tax revolt although we did say no. This was a slap at state government to do their jobs.

Again, Orange County, California which is considered the most red, most religious county in the US has already find for bankruptcy in the past. It was due to fraud perpetrated by a republican.

Look it up...

#71 | Posted by Prolix247 at 2009-05-20 02:35 PM

Great point. Bring up a enamole from 1994. Read up a little before bringing this non subject up as though it means anything.

On December 6th, 1994, Orange County California became the largest municipality in U.S. history ever to file for bankruptcy. The financial difficulties leading to the bankruptcy were the direct result of an enormous gamble with public funds taken by a county treasurer who was seriously under-qualified to deal in the kinds of investments he chose. Because of his shortcomings, because of Orange County's national reputation as a land of rich, spoiled, archconservatives, and because the bankruptcy did not play out as other municipal financial crises have, many observers have dismissed it as an anomaly. It may have been a nasty surprise for Wall Street, they argue, but it is not something that is likely to happen again, even in Orange County.

What does the BK of OC have to do with voting down tax increases by the voters?

enamole??? anomaly. Tha's a little humbling.

Not so much a tax revolt although we did say no. This was a slap at state government to do their jobs.

#74 | Posted by Prolix247

I would say it is a little bit of both.

What does the BK of OC have to do with voting down tax increases by the voters?

Nothing. Other than prolix stance it is all republicans fault.

"That is what is wrong with California - we have an inexperienced, incompetent Republican Governor who drove this state into the ground with his cult of personality."

New Update:

-- This what is wrong with the USA - we have an inexperienced, incompetent Democrat President who is driving this country into the ground with his cult personality

#73 | Posted by MURPHY

Arnold ran as a reformer. He reformed nothing.

He could have addressed the 2/3 budget requirement but did not because it would have weakened the republicans.

He could have reformed the private prison system who has been under a consent decree for not providing adequate care for prisoners.

He could have reformed Commercial property taxes with an adjustment to Prop 13 creating revenue.

There were a lot of things Arnold could have done.

What he did was cancel a great revenue generator in the car tax (calling it reform and not a tax break) and that is where we took the hit. If that tax was never repealed we would not be in as deep a hole as we are now.

Davis was far superior to what we ended up with.

#75 | Posted by crispee_oc

That is republican governance at work which ever way you try to spin it.

Davis was far superior to what we ended up with.

Which is why he was removed? Because of ???? Republican held Assembly? Nope. Because of a republican held Senate? Nope. Because he and the dems failed? BINGO!!!!

"I agree with this but with the caveat that medical attention is always a human right."

#17 | Posted by Prolix247

And they can be sent back to their own country where they can get the medical attention they deserve.

That is republican governance at work which ever way you try to spin it.

Please give an example. Please link any republican written bills passed, any republican budget or ideas adopted by the majority party. Anything at all you can pinpoint to republicans for Cali's woes.

Which is why he was removed?
#89 | Posted by crispee_oc

Republican Cult of Personality personified by the Governator.

Any other candidate would have lost....

prophylactic247 almost all posts...
If the repubs have so much damn power, then it would be smart for the dems just not to urn but in a few places, and let the repubs take power. Then 6 dems could control the whole budget process. And if that does not make sense, you should just stfu!

Which is why he was removed?
#89 | Posted by crispee_oc

Republican Cult of Personality personified by the Governator.

Any other candidate would have lost....

#92 | Posted by Prolix247 at 2009-05-20 02:56 PM

I see. Funny how Davis was removed prior to Arnold throwing his hat into the ring. Care to explain that little fact? Or is every post going to be another deflection to yesterdays results?

Again, Orange County, California which is considered the most red, most religious county in the US has already find for bankruptcy in the past. It was due to fraud perpetrated by a republican.

Look it up...

#76 | Posted by Prolix247

NO

I'll take your word for it even in the face of the timely post by crispee.
I said look at the states and by and large the ones NOT in this condition are run by republicans and you can bring up isolated incidents all you want.
BOTTOM LINE

california spends more money than they bring in and its time they did something about it.
the people there said YESTERDAY that it will be with cuts and not tax increases
It will be interesting to see if thier elected reps are listening to them or not.

#94 | Posted by crispee_oc

The Governor has to be removed first BEFORE the election cycle may commence. Otherwise why bother.

You really don't know what you are talking about so I am going to ignore you now.

"Funny how Davis was removed prior to Arnold throwing his hat into the ring."

Not so. Davis was removed on the very same ballot that seated Arnold. herm

#97 | Posted by herm
Which one was first on the ballot? Could still have happened first theoretically???

#95 | Posted by afkabl2

I disagree, the voters said no to Arnold first and foremost. Last time he tried a special election he lost then too.

Did you know that there are republicans here that got permission to start a recall on Arnold? That is how bad he is hated here now. He is just not leadership material.

#97 | Posted by herm

I believe Davis was recalled first but allowed to run as a candidate for reelection.

If the Governor was not recalled their is no need for an election.

hmm could this be the reason more people leave mexifornia than move to it? keep you eye on cali, that is where America is headed.

Any truth to the rumors that California is going to start releasing prisoners due to budget contsraints? What a tough decision - raise my taxes or let a kid toucher free to move into my neighborhood. But I would bet there are some out there who would rather have their kids diddled than pay more taxes.

#102 | Posted by taxman

Yes, non-violent drug offenders to begin with.

I see. Funny how Davis was removed prior to Arnold throwing his hat into the ring. Care to explain that little fact? Or is every post going to be another deflection to yesterdays results?

The Governor has to be removed first BEFORE the election cycle may commence. Otherwise why bother.

You really don't know what you are talking about so I am going to ignore you now.

#96 | Posted by Prolix247 at 2009-05-20 03:08 PM

You and Herm are correct about the special election. I meant to say the recall and election were in place and had nothing to do with Arnold. As you claimed in an earlier post.

#24 | Posted by AndreaMackris

Do you even realize that if California goes under so will the rest of the US. Is that want you want?

We still have the 7th largest economy in the world. We are the engine of the US, where we go, you will follow...

#30 | Posted by Prolix247
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I don't think so. I'll even call bullshit on your statement. If California goes under that does not mean other states will. Some states follow the novel ideology that you can't spend what you don't have.

Before you give Arnold (RINO) all of the credit, he had some help from people who most of you call honorable politicians around the state. Arnold is just one person. The California congress could force his hand anytime they wanted. Whatever happened to "Together we stand, divided we fall," or "Team win, Team Defeat?"

The sad part, it's not just California that finds itself in this bind. All of these states that are having problems are Blue states. Oh there is a common denominator, most of these states in trouble are Democrat states. I have no doubt there will be a bailout for these states because they are TOO BIG to fail.

Texas isn't having any of these problems that these states are creating for themselves. In fact, there have been companies relocating to our state. Why would they do that? Mainly because they are being nickled and dimed to death in the states they were working out of. These states need to fail so they can learn what fiscal conservative means. They need to learn that they have to live within their budgets. I don't see Sean Penn donating a couple of million to the state of California to fix their problems. Actually, the people have spoken, don't ask us for help, you created the problem, you deal with it!

Maybe California should look at Texas policies and adapt a few because apparently they are doing something right!

Lonnie

#105 | Posted by lwalk17

Do you really think that if CA goes into bankruptcy it wont drag the rest of the US with it?

Really?
.............
I want the legislature to work together because a great patriot once said "together we stand - divided we fall."
#47 | Posted by Prolix247

I agree with you here...

#102 | Posted by taxman

actually 38,000 BEFORE their time is up:

#67 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue

WHY do you keep saying that? a couple of renegade politicians stated they'd like for foreigners to be able to run - one of them BEING arnold, but i've never heard of a sect of people backing such nonsense.

So you do believe in redistributing wealth as long as it is not yours.
I just wanted to post that again since nanc didn't (and won't) respond.
Spot on, Prox.

#46 | POSTED BY R8RH8R AT 2009-05-20 01:51 PM | REPLY | FLAG

You miss the point. Govt. work is relatively cushy in CA. It's hard to get fired, you get a shitload of days off work, plenty of OT for those who want it, and the retirement benefits are like nothing seen in the private sector except for a few - which, in most cases isn't even dependent on portfolio performance!

So, private folks work their asses off and pay a huge state taxload - Prop. 13 notwithstanding. AT the end of the day, we've been humping it at 2X, just to find out we shoulda taken the govt. job to begin with.

It's waaayyy out of whack here, and CA is the largest employer in the state. No wonder the people turned all this shit down.

Do you even realize that if California goes under so will the rest of the US. Is that want you want?

We still have the 7th largest economy in the world. We are the engine of the US, where we go, you will follow...

Take your "too big to fail" and blow it out your ass.

wait'll people who have "bumping" rights start bumping people out of their positions...

CA requires an Estimated State Tax which is for all businesses since the beginning of time I suppose.

It is $800.00 and for the priviledge of working in CA.

You pay it every year and they'll apply it as a credit to your state income tax bill for the following year.

You never see a refund though if your state income tax bill is say $139.00.

And you have to pay it again for the following year.

As for Arnold--he is a disappointment.

That's what we get when a liberal pretends to be a conservative.

He didn't get any help from the state gov't legislators.

As for reforming Prop 13--that's in the constitution.

The 2/3 budget requirement is in the constitution as well.

As for the prison guards--hey they are talking about selling San Quentin. That will be reformation as those guys will no longer have a job.

He did reform the worker's compensation system.

And DC is really happy about the emissions BS for cars.

That's what we get when a liberal pretends to be a conservative.

Don't like something...call it liberal

Don't like decisions...call it liberal

What ever you don't like is now the catch all liberal....we get that murphy.

Governator ExTerminator is neither RINO nor librul nor soshalist, but a pragmatic Republican with a Kennedy wife. He does what ya gotta do to survive with THOSE credentials in a blue state. He's what you get if you want government services without paying for them, and opt to dump an adequate if colorless leader for a muscle freak who can threateningly intone Ah'll Be Bach. herm

What ever you don't like is now the catch all liberal....we get that murphy.

#114 | POSTED BY MONEYWAR AT 2009-05-20 06:51 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

California legislature is dominated by one thing - liberals. They've fucked it all up, and still push push push the businesses out.

"California legislature is dominated by one thing - liberals. They've fucked it all up, and still push push push the businesses out."

"Somoco" bears repeating in full. Somoco is what posts when it lacks even a shred of fact but feel a knee-jerk need to bash libruls while lacking even a clue as to what liberalism, socialism or communism are all about. Somoco's hysteria, brought about by the insidious realization that under capitalism he (?) is not getting his (?), rivals that of his heroes, Ann and Rush. herm

Somoco is what posts when it lacks even a shred of fact

#117 | Posted by herm at 2009-05-20 09:24 PM

Sounds like Somoco has it right. Where are these facts incorrect? The dems control the state. The dems as a whole are liberal.

Thesaurus: liberal

1.Not narrow or conservative in thought, expression, or conduct: broad, broad-minded, open-minded, progressive, tolerant.

2.Favoring civil liberties and social progress: liberalistic, progressive.

3.Characterized by bounteous giving: free, freehanded, generous

Do you really think that if CA goes into bankruptcy it wont drag the rest of the US with it?

Really?
.............
I want the legislature to work together because a great patriot once said "together we stand - divided we fall."
#47 | Posted by Prolix247

I agree with you here...

#106 | Posted by Prolix247
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Granted that it would cause the Federal government to have to take more money from the rest of us to pay for their poor work performances but I don't see that as making the rest of us fall. Things are really good in Texas!!

I'm sure others will agree with me when I say NEVER hire a RINO to fill a key political office. They are the ones telling the rest of us that the party needs to change so we are just like the Democrats. There's absolutely no difference between a liberal republican and a democrat. You'd do better to just vote the Democrat into office. I'm sure you guys say the same thing about DINOs.

Lonnie

What's the chance that if Cali goes bankrupt that a judge would appoint someone like TX Gov'ner Perry as the conservator?

I would love to see how the budget would look if someone like Perry had a red marker and about 2 weeks to get rid of all the pork and stupid shit that is bloating their budget.

What do you want to bet that the budget would have a surplus in under a year?

[of course, there is NO WAY that the judges in CA would ever turn over power to a libertarian or conservative repub]

Califronia is yet another example of liberal Democrat socialism run amok with high spending, ever increasing debt and no accounatablility. California is being run into the ground EXACTLY the way the Obama Administration's liberal Democrat socialist policies are running America into the ground.

Even Democrats turned against the Democrat majority legislature and labor unions. NO ONE WANTS TO PAY HIGHER TAXES IN THIS ECONOMY. Obama will have to raise taxes to pay for all the spending and historic debt he is racking up and when he tries to inact universal healthcare and save social security he will be left with no choice but to raise taxes.

Think Obama won't raise taxes on the middle class? Remember this is the same guy who criticized Bush for not ending the Iraq war by March 2009! He was going to have transparencey in government. He lied. He said he would end indefinite jail holds for terrorists with no jails. He lied. He preached about fiscal responsibility then set a defit that that is greater than the total debt of every U.S. president in history combined! He lied. Obama will raise taxes on the middle class and that will spell the end of Democrat rule.

In the end Obama and this batch of Dems may be the best thing that ever happened to the Repubs. They will enact all their policies. The will run to their logical conclusion. People will see what their conclusion is and they will turn to the Repubs.

I said this during the election cycle. The best thing that could happen is that the Dems with the presidency and congress. Then there are no excuses. When things go bad people know who to blame. The same thing happened to the Repubs under Bush.

However,
I am becoming convinced that when people look back (15-20 years from now) Obama will have been far worse for the US than Bush.

SAWDUST

"In the end Obama and this batch of Dems may be the best thing that ever happened to the Repubs"

Quickly! Jot off an email to Dick Cheney. He seems to be having a terrible time with this theory.

fox business stated this morning that the fed told cali NO to bailout.

a very thorough commentary on the state of californistan:

The rigid ones propose so much that just doesn't add up. Like why be a RINO at all in a blue state?

Californians were taken in by the Repub myth that you can have civilization without paying.

If our Golden State does not want to part with its gold for such soshalist fripperies as having fire fighters come out when our house is ablaze, everyone better have plenty of garden hose.

A good place to start the new economy might be by decriminalizing pot and prostitution, letting all the good folks jugged for no more than those sins, and then taxing the shit out of both. The bidget would quickly be balanced. You're welcome. herm

california unemployment rate:

What's the chance that if Cali goes bankrupt that a judge would appoint someone like TX Gov'ner Perry as the conservator?

I would love to see how the budget would look if someone like Perry had a red marker and about 2 weeks to get rid of all the pork and stupid shit that is bloating their budget.

What do you want to bet that the budget would have a surplus in under a year?

[of course, there is NO WAY that the judges in CA would ever turn over power to a libertarian or conservative repub]

#120 | Posted by 1libertarian
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I'd agree with you. Perry has the balls to tell the state legislature NO and mean it!! He even has the balls to say NO PORK and mean it!!

Personally, in times of trouble the damn otters can wait! So can the other stupid ass causes that the idiots in California back that cost money. I'd axe the illegal immigrant health fund and the illegal immigrant programs to $0.00. You can try to fund those after you've got a surplus. You DO NOT cut fire department, police, and education so you can provide illegal alien programs.

Hell give me 24 hours with their budget and I'll trim the fat pretty damn good. Obviously, these people are incapable of funding necessities over their stupid causes. I'm willing to bet that 20% of their budget is shit that's nice to have but not necessary.

Lonnie

Well it seems I was correct about the budget deficit. The LA Times today states that the repeal of the care tax is in direct correlation to our increased debt.

From the Times -
His cuts (Arnold) in the car tax cost the state $3.6 billion per year he has been in office making him directly responsible for pretty much all of todays $21-Billion budget deficit.
Michael Hiltzik

Also, from the same article -
Derived from the US census, is that as a percentage of all personal income, CA's tax and fee schedule ranks 18th in the country.

Also,

The top 1% of Ca income earners paid 7.4% of their income in various state taxes last year, counting the federal deduction for state taxes.

Those earning $20,000 or less, with average income of $12,600, forked over 10.2% of their earnings in sales, exsise, property and other levies.

Again, the republicans lead by Arnold may have lead this great state into insolvancy with the republican "never pay" model of borrow and spend.

Where are all the California haters now???

Things look different when you know the facts.

A Mind Is A Terrible Thing To Waste...

I am becoming convinced that when people look back (15-20 years from now) Obama will have been far worse for the US than Bush.

#122 | Posted by sawdust

Definitely!

Definitely!

#132 | Posted by utastaff

Definitely not!

There, your carefully crafted case has been neutralized.

Again, the republicans lead by Arnold may have lead this great state into insolvancy with the republican "never pay" model of borrow and spend.

#130 | Posted by Prolix247

Another person who has no clue about California politics. The Democrats in the State legislature have overwhelming control of State politics. Arnold is not a real Republican. Seriously, he is out championing Global Warming car emissions standards and voted along with the unions in the last slate of propositions.

California is in this mess because the Democrats have OVERTAXED its citizens and corporations, the most taxed across the board in the country and even a majority of Democrat voters were against the increase in taxes on the last group of propositions. Companies have left California in droves. Add to that, all the incredible spending. 50% of the California budget goes to Education and California is one of the top 10 economies in the world. The teachers are paid 35% more than the average salaries for teachers nationally. I knew a teacher in Temcula, California that pulled down over $100k. And the Democrats still feel there there is not enough money for schools. Democrats have guaranteed that state workers CAN'T lose pension money in the market (everyone else's 401k can lose money) and if they do, the taxpayers will guarantee the losses!!! Democrats guaranteed that illegal immigrants get in-state tuition in college, free healthcare and free education. 25% of inmates in California are illegal immigrants and Democrats do nothing about it but want to give them more! Make no mistake that California is in this mess because of the Democrats and their socialist policies.

#134 | Posted by utastaff

#130 | Posted by Prolix247
Read this post again and get back to me.

CA - 18 in the country for tax rates
Top 1% paid 7.4% overall taxes
People making $20,000 or less paid 10.2%

Republican Governor with veto power
2/3 majority ensures minority control.

401k's are not a smart retirement vehicle, I would recommend an Annuity, much safer.

Very soon now the exodus of taxpayers OUT of California will be so great ...

... the Government will have no choice but to prevent people from moving away.

If you are still living in California, it might be a great idea to get the hell out of there while you still can.

These unclued instapundits badmouthing California and its politics remind me of nothing as much as two Vatican theologians quarelling over whether gawd has six arms or eight. herm

Just in! Governor Arnold is going eliminate welfare in California due to the props failing. Wow!

#138 | Posted by utastaff

I know people starving in the streets fills your heart with joy, but it ain't gonna happen.

What do you think will happen?

Arnold is powerless at this point, he is speaking in anger over his embarrassing lose and the public realization he caused all these problems to begin with...

FTA -
It followed comments by the governor earlier today that he would be withdrawing a proposal to help balance the budget with billions of dollars of borrowing and replacing it with program reductions.
................

See this UTASTAFF.

He is taking away a working solution and pouting and stamping his feet because he is being recalled by the republicans and ignored by the citizens.

His fragile ego is in tatters so he is lashing out at the weakest population in the state - POOR CHILDREN.

Republican values at work...

Prolix,

Actually would not want him to eliminate welfare. That is just cruel. It would never pass because even Republicans would destroy him over it.

He needs to eliminate the bloated education expenses in California which accounts for 50% of the state's budget. You have too many teachers and adminstrators pulling down near the six figure range plus the vast community college system, Cal State University system and UC system costs billions. There are many UC Chancellors and other executives making in the $300,000-$400,000 plus/YEAR range. Plus you have state workers in California making bank and they have exhorbitant retirement plans that are so solid that taxpayers by law have to pay for any losses CALPERS (state employee pension fund) takes in the market.

Arnold is a horrible governor. He always talks about cutting police and fire protection and never talks about cutting beaurocratic costs such as his buddies who he places in state jobs making six figures. 35 people on Arnold's staff make over $100k/yr and 21 aides make between $90k-$99k/yr.

}He needs to eliminate the bloated education expenses in California which accounts for 50% of the state's budget. You have too many teachers and adminstrators pulling down near the six figure range plus the vast community college system, Cal State University system and UC system costs billions. There are many UC Chancellors and other executives making in the $300,000-$400,000 plus/YEAR range. Plus you have state workers in California making bank and they have exhorbitant retirement plans that are so solid that taxpayers by law have to pay for any losses CALPERS (state employee pension fund) takes in the market."

UTASTAFF find ourselves in agreement. That's scary.
Dead on UTA.

#142 | Posted by danni

Your are scared, I agree also.

Dog and cats living together...total chaos.

I Know 2 people who receive California state sponsored pensions and they both receive more than 100% of their last year's salary. Granted this is because of longevity, but is still unacceptable.
Danni, BTW the unions negotiated these retirement packages with the help of spineless politicians. They both should have known better.
They both deserve what they get.
Sorry

Definitely not!

There, your carefully crafted case has been neutralized.

#133 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue at 2009-05-21 04:48 PM

Bullshit. So Ahnold cut those taxes and reduced the States income. If the Dems in power had tried to cut spending to compensate for the reduced income (which those Republican 6 would not have opposed) and the deficit still rose, you might have a point.

Lets try an analogy to show what I mean.

Say I make $100,000 a year after taxes. Normally during a year I have $40k in hard expenses like mortgage, insurance, electricity, etc. In addition I donate $10,000 to charities, $10,000 in entertainment expenses, $10,000 in extras (like that new plasma TV), a $10,000 dollar vacation, and $20,000 in long term investments.

Now, say the my employer cuts my pay to $80,000... but I foolishly decide to keep my same budget.

Is that $20,000 deficit my employers fault? Or is it my fault for choosing a foolish economic practice?

THE UNITED STATES IS NEXT!

THERE'S THOSE CAPS AGAIN!

HOLY CRAPPE, USASTAFF!

What you people fail to understand is this is the "Shock Doctrine" perpetrated by Arnold to gain the high hand in negotiations due to his lack of vision in eliminating the care tax which put us in this deficit to begin with.

The car tax eliminated 3.5 billion a year for 5 years which left a gap of $17.5 billion out of a $24 billion dollar deficit. We should only have a deficit of 6.5 billion which is nothing in today's dollars.

Now - I ran a CalWorks Program in Van Nuys, CA which had a total of $110 million in state and federal grants. Let me ask you this?

The money in CalWorks does not go to the family. Let me repeat that. THE GRANT MONEY DOES NOT GO TO THE FAMILIES IN THE PROGRAM.

The way it works is money is paid to a child care provider for attending the child so the parent may either job search, job retraining, or education which leads to a job.

Now imagine the harm to the local community if $110 million where removed from that community?

Multiply this by all the counties in California.

CalWorks is more than a welfare program. It creates jobs. Real jobs that make most recipients self sufficient. Supports communities by circulating money throughout the entire community.

In short, eliminating welfare will deepen and extend the financial crisis in California.

This is the Sock Doctrine in action. Don't believe the politicians, they are not on our side...

"This is the Sock Doctrine in action." i await the other sock dropping.

#149 | Posted by nanc

Okay, Shock Doctrine.

Now, care to comment on the fiscal aspects I discussed and how eliminating welfare will extent the deficit and cripple or possibly push many, many cities and counties into bankruptcy?

a couple of factoids. Ahhnold, the former porn star and steroid abuser is a republican. He was brought in to fix the problems. He has failed. The state is bankrupt. People wont pay taxes to fix the problem. Stop spending is the answer. The non california answer to the problem is , who gives a damn

#149 | Posted by nanc

Here is more food for thought. What do you think will happen if our republican Governor eliminates the "Healthy Family" low income insurance program.

Say a poor kid gets sick, does not have insurance, goes to the ER because they have no insurance. The hospital will enroll that child into Emergency Medical to recoup the costs.

So, instead of providing insurance to limit the state liability, the state will pick up a higher cost through ER treatments that will be billed to Medical. Still under the auspices of the State at a higher costs.

Does that make any sense?

If Emergency Medical is reduced the hospital will have to eat the bill which will put too large a financial burden on the hospital and it will close, creating more debt and more unemployment.

Does that make any sense?
#152 | Posted by Prolix247

No, but its exactly the same song and dance that some want us to continue. Others would rather ER's retain the right to refuse treatment to the uninsured. That would definitely keep costs down.

Here is even more food for thought -

Has anyone noticed the first programs the republican Governor is eliminating is for poor children, yet there is no mention of eliminating services to undocumented residence. Why is that?

Undocumented workers are the wedge republicans will use to decimate the remaining middle class jobs. Undocumented workers are more valuable than our citizens to republicans.

They work hard and if you don't want to pay them you simply scare them off or call immigration. Free labor.

What about the tax break the republican governor just gave big business, is that off the table? How much revenue will California lose with these tax breaks at the time the republican governor wants to eliminate two crucial safety nets that will only cut 1.6 billion from the deficit - peanuts compared to the lose of revenue generated by these programs.

Spending is the problem not tax revenue.

#155 | Posted by bph320

A decrease in revenue is the problem.

The car tax eliminated 3.5 billion a year for 5 years which left a gap of $17.5 billion out of a $24 billion dollar deficit. We should only have a deficit of 6.5 billion which is nothing in today's dollars.

Now I understand facts are a terrible thing. But we need to protect ourselves from the lies that WILL be told to manipulate us.

Spending is not the issue.

In short, eliminating welfare will deepen and extend the financial crisis in California.

Posted by Prolix247 at 2009-05-22 12:06 PM

So we can get out of the mess pronto, everybody in California should quit working and go on welfare.

Ah, spending is the issue and for one it is California's problem and not a problem for every other state to pay for. If you take a pay cut and cannot afford all the luxuries you afforded before then your spending is the problem. You have to make choices and decide what luxuries will you give up. Don't go banging on your neighbors door and hand him a bill for your lack of fiscal discipline.

California needs to stop providing everything for everybody. Stop Spending!!!

#157 | Posted by Mfixx

If the republican governor has his way we might not have a choice.

#158 | Posted by bph320

Okay,

Since people were not paying the tax for their own cars due to the eliminated car tax which cost the state 17.5 Billion dollars, by your logic each individual should be forced to repay the tax they neglected.

Fine send me a bill, I'll willingly pay it instead of taking food out of the mouth of a child or denying them health care.

Or do you think it is wise to pass the cost of the car tax on to poor children?

CA-SDI put that at the top of the list of things to cut.

CA-SDI put that at the top of the list of things to cut.

#162 | Posted by bph320

Put what?

"CA-SDI put that at the top of the list of things to cut."

Reality check: It's doubtful, when looking where to cut, CA will look in the "income" column.

California State Disability.

California State Disability Insurance (SDI) is a partial wage-replacement insurance plan for California workers. The SDI programs are State-mandated, and funded through employee payroll deductions. SDI provides affordable, short-term benefits to eligible workers. Workers covered by SDI are covered by two programs: Disability Insurance and Paid Family Leave Insurance.

#165 | Posted by bph320

Arnold already reduced benefits and made it harder to qualify.

The Chamber of Commerce will not allow the republican governor to pass those costs onto businesses which is where it would lay without SDI.

It would also eliminate the need for the State Fund SDI insurance Corp. and it is a cash cow as you must have SDI to do business in CA and most businesses use State Fund.

When I was based in California as an airline pilot, I lived in Colorado. I owned 2 properties in colorado, 3 cars all in colorado. California sent me a nastygram telling me I failed to pay California income taxes and handed me a bill. California is desperate!!

AGAIN I SAY

as the saying goes

so goes california so goes the nation

BAN GAY MARRIAGE

TAX REVOLT

something good might just come out of california again after all

WELL you have already CHRIS.........lol

and I was listening to a program yesterday that says that california politicians have whats called a 'cadillac allowance'....

so how much tax money do they steal with this shit????

#170 | Posted by afkabl2

I agree with you on this. The bureaucracy needs to be cut before programs. That IS the problem, too many people with nothing to do so they sit around thinking up of ways to screw the people.

#168 | Posted by bph320

I totally sympathize with you on that but it was probably your airline company claiming you as employed in CA regardless of your residency.

pro
I figured it was a car allowance of some sort and more than likely we arent talking about the little box cars..

AND I am sure the hycpocricy is as bad there as it is in DC

what with obama and dems about to tax the shit out of our energy and telling us what kind of cars we can drive

ANYONE want to bet that his "SUV PARADE" wont be cut back any...and they dont HAVE to have a "D" after thier name to have this bullshit either.

Even in a blue state people want government services without paying for government services. And Arnold's "election" to squeeze out the extra bob or two cost HOW much? hern

#174 | Posted by afkabl2

I have noticed gas is on the raise also. It has gone up .20 cents in two weeks and nothing in the local news about it. Squeeze people with cost, then offer them the solution of gas efficient cars that cost more.

You get screwed coming and going.

This had to be done...The legislature needs to wake up and do its friggin job. Arnold needs to quit worrying about how cool he looks and do his friggin job!

And please tell me NANC don't live in California...please!

donnerboy - i lived in cali for over 40 years and that was enough for me!

maybe California should look at Texas policies and adapt a few because apparently they are doing something right!
Lonnie
#105 | Posted by lwalk17

that leads to another question . . .

doesn't Texas actually remove their oil & gas from the ground & sell it??