None of the Mexican Gins are from America. FOX told us so.

The (N)R(A)IGHT

PS Obama is going to steal our guns and our cookies.

OVER 90% of those evil death devices come from the U.S.

--Obama and his retarded servant boy, Northguy3

"In addition to the M-16 style weapons, other firearms frequently bought are guns that chamber a round of ammunition that is reputed to penetrate body armor under certain circumstances, and is known in Mexico as mata policias, or cop killers, federal prosecutors said."

"Chamber a round of ammunition" that under "certain circumstances" is "reputed" to penetrate body armor? Shit. That describes just about any round larger than a handgun.

None of the Mexican Gins are from America. FOX told us so.

The (N)R(A)IGHT

PS Obama is going to steal our guns and our cookies.

#1 | Posted by northguy3 at 2009-05-19 10:05 AM | Reply

I was going to set you straight or rather tell the "REAL" story that you twisted around but it seems that live...blow your ass out of the water already....

the problem here is that most obama supporters arent sharp enough to know the difference.

"That describes just about any round larger than a handgun."

That describes almost any round. There are probably 10 pistol rounds that can penetrate body armor under "certain circumstances." This is what is know as fear mongering, blow something out of proportion, be vague enough so your audience doesn't think just reacts, and play very loose with your wording and definition. Put it together and hope that anyone who stands up to say you are wrong gets shouted down as a lunatic or in this case a survivalist gunnut. Sleazy but it gets support from the two brain cell gang.

guns don't kill people
mexican drug dealers who buy guns from amoral texans do

None of the Mexican Gins are from America. FOX told us so.

The (N)R(A)IGHT

PS Obama is going to steal our guns and our cookies.

I don't think I've ever seen that argument.

The one I have seen, that you refuse to acknowledge (once again) is that the military grade hardware is probably not coming from US Gun Dealers.

Why? Because they can't even buy military hardware.

Semi Automatics? Sure they can, as can any American who is allowed to purchase a fire arm.

Fully Automatics? Sure, as long as you pay the fees and are subject to checks from the Federal Government. Guess what happens when you sell the gun and don't have the paper trail.

Fully Automatic Military Hardware? No. They're getting that shit somewhere else. I'm glad they managed to stop people who were already breaking CURRENT law. Maybe if they applied a little more effort in that direction instead of whispering that they'd like to remove the rights of American's, the Drug Cartels would have to buy their guns from some 3rd World Shit hole.

This is what is know as fear mongering, blow something out of proportion, be vague enough so your audience doesn't think just reacts, and play very loose with your wording and definition.

You mean like the clip on America's Most Wanted where the host talks about a shootout involving a .50 Bolt Action Semi-Automatic Rifle and then says it's the same thing as the .50cal, Turret mounted, Fully Automatic Machine gun and proceeds to turn a car door into swiss cheese with said machine gun?

That kind of fear mongering?

It also made me giggle when, in the same breath just before inaccurately comparing both weapons he says "I Believe in the second amendment and I am a hunter".

Sounds like a lot of people on this site who just can't "understand why someone would need a rifle like that".

"Mexican Gins"

I thought they only made tequila.

Btw, Northguy.

We once had a conversation about this and you asked me what guns I had. I told you.

But now I have an update. I sold the Yugoslavian SKS to a friend, so you might want to update your database.

" why someone would need a rifle like that "

guns don't kill people
mexican drug dealers who buy guns from amoral texans do

#6 | Posted by proudtobelib

oh thats clever.........hee hee

".50 Bolt Action Semi-Automatic Rifle"

Hmmm.

10 men = Houston? Who knew? What about the other 5,999,990 people?

"What about the other 5,999,990 people?"

Posted by Lipzoidial at 2009-05-19 12:44 PM

They're blogging at the library.

Hmmm.

Which part is confusing?

Wow, never mind.

Proof reading is important. *facepalm*

The clip I'm talking about compared one of these

What about the other 5,999,990 people?"

Posted by Lipzoidial at 2009-05-19 12:44 PM

They're blogging at the library.

#14 | Posted by Zatoichi

HEY STOP IT

the guy next to me is trying to figure out why IM laughing out loud and the librarian is about to
GIVE ME THE FINGER...you know the INDEX finger over her mouth to tell me to stop laughing..
well at least I THINK its her index finger...

but YES this thread is correct

the ONLY guns getting into mexico are from houston
just like the only people who do anything bad to someone else are texans and all of that nonsense..

shit boys...your jealousy knows no ends does it?????????????????

"well at least I THINK its her index finger

Funny that's what she thought you were using last night.

If this bothers anybody that much just legalize drugs across the board for adults. Voila that removes the incentive for violence in the drug trade, since the cost of narcotics plummets only the most diehard junkies need to steal, being pharmaceutical grade no questionable dope, no need for clandestine meth labs thus no environmental concerns and another idiotic augment against the soundness of having the 2nd Amendment vamooses.

oh please////

thats way too easy......

she must have been really religious because she kept screaming for God........

"she must have been really religious because she kept screaming for God"

She must be the first dyslexic librarian, cause after you her shitzu looked pretty appealing.

The Mexican government submits a VERY SMALL number of guns back to the U.S. for tracing as explained in this quote from Live Or Die's #2 on this thread.

...And Mexico recovers a lot more guns than it submits to the U.S. In December 2008, Mexican Attorney General Eduardo Medina Mora put the number of recovered crime weapons in the country over the past two years at nearly 29,000, according to USA Today. And figures given by ATF make clear that the agency doesn't trace nearly all of those...

If the liberals want to keep the guns from going into Mexico they allege are all supposedly coming in from the U.S. then -- build the fence on the border. You can't have it both ways -- both wide open borders and controlling the number guns smuggled into Mexico -- just ain't gonna happen, amigo.

Finally!!!!! the way it is supposed to work, Catch Criminals and leave me and my guns the F*** alone. I have to give Obama and his Justice department credit, let's see how long this lasts. And for those guys shipping guns, they should be charged with every murder in Mexico for the last year, and EXECUTED!! is that too much for you lefties?

GOD BLESS THE ATF

The LAST place these guns are coming from are U.S gun shows

#23 | Posted by CalifChris

Chrissy, this is not necessarily true. The texas state passed a law specificially for this purpose. I can't go anywhere in texas and buy a gun without all the waiting period bullshit, except to an individual or to gun show. How you can pass a law for a waiting period to buy guns but exclude gun shows, i'll never know, but that's the way it is.

So the Cartel people give US citizens the money and they go buy the guns at the gun shows and then the Cartel people give the citizen a nice pay-day for his trouble.

The guns that are coming through the Mexican military are also coming from the US. either way you slice it, most of the guns originate in the US.

I don't understand the purpose of a waiting period for handguns when I can buy a shotgun or rifle without one. If I am mad enough to goto a store to buy a gun, do you really think I wouldn't buy a shotgun to do it if a handgun was not an option?

And before anyone says the waiting period if for a criminal check, again, if I were a criminal and wanted a gun, wouldn't I just buy a shotgun or rifle...assuming, considering I am a criminal, I would even want to go the legal route to get a gun?

I think this is just a smoke screen to justify the US setting up a border search on the US side of the border going into mexico.

Next, if you don't have a passport you will not be allowed to go to mexico...

Great News for Texans!!

When you secede you won't have to worry about the Uncle Sam getting in the way of your arms deals.

The joys of unregulated capitalism. Death to the dealers.

"None of the Mexican Gins are from America. FOX told us so.

The (N)R(A)IGHT"

I don't know what % of these guns come from the US but I can say this with certainty: It doesn't matter. This whole topic was raised by the Mexican government in order to deflect blame.

Mexico is a country that is run by drug dealers. The drug dealers can import their weapons from wherever they want. If they are buying our guns, its due to convenience. If they weren't getting their guns from us, they'd be getting them from somewhere else. They may pay more, but they'd have their guns. No doubt about it.

That's not an arguement for or against stricter gun control in the US. That is just the reality of the situation in Mexico.

This whole topic was raised by the Mexican government in order to deflect blame.

#31 | Posted by Sully at 2009-05-19 03:38 PM

"And it's unfortunate that our so called leaders (liars) are playing into it for political gain."

Well in his defense, blaming another country - especially a poor one - for their own problems when you can blame the US instead is very uncool.

The patronizing racism that holds brown people to a lower standard and therefore not responsible for themselves is much more hip.

Special interest groups always play the stats game. For most it's a way to create an issue and get funding to support their cause.

The hypocrisy involves more than guns across the border. We've pushed the demand for marijuana to Mexico, and that has paved the road for cocaine, meth, and exotics.

Like the assembly plants that sprung up along the border in boom towns like Ciudad Juarez in the late 80's, the impetus was cheap labor but the companies also dumped toxic chemicals while their workers lived in shanty towns.

This is what they see for America. It's the Empire thing. A select few on the top and everyone else under threat of armed action.

When could off the cartel's base income by ending prohibition. Instead Mexico is a war zone.

SO WHAT??? LOOK at the US PRESIDENTS helping "Illegal" Arms Dealers!

How many high ranking American politicians (like U.S.Presidents for instance) have "aided & abetted" illegal $billion dollar arms dealers? Presidents George Bush Senior and Bill Clinton both gave (SOLD) "Presidential Pardons" to major illegal arms dealers such as Adan Khassogghi and Marc Rich respectively! Also what about the $Billions in armaments the US Military has given to the "Illegal" State of Israel (all paid for of course by the unwitting American taxpayers!)

Or take a gander at the $billions in weaponry and aid the US Govt supplied to Fascist Armies (Gangs) in Central and South American in order to overthrow the elected and legitimate governments in those various countries including Chile and Nicarauga!

Compared to the US Govt and the US Military (including the Nazi like CIA) these Houston gun dealers and even these Mexican drug cartels are indeed "small fry" in the Major World of Greed,Corruption,Hate and Illegal Arms "Profits" that operates freely out of the US Congress,Senate and the White House!!!

"
Finally!!!!! the way it is supposed to work, Catch Criminals and leave me and my guns the F*** alone. I have to give Obama and his Justice department credit, let's see how long this lasts. And for those guys shipping guns, they should be charged with every murder in Mexico for the last year, and EXECUTED!! is that too much for you lefties?

GOD BLESS THE ATF

#24 | Posted by HillBillyJihad"

Sounds good to me. Arms dealers are the lowest level of scum on earth. I would be very tempted to have the death penalty for them as the rate of recidivism is 100%.

ahhh
the republican way
deflect the FACT that a huge amount of weapons being used to murder innocent civilians, police officials, and other dealers COME FROM THE UNITED STATES.
90%
80%
50%
who cares.

until gun manufacturers and gun dealers are held accountable (here we go again with that silly liberal ideology of personal responsibility) for each and every gun manufactured, sold, and bought, they all have the blood of the mexican drug wars on their hands.

until gun manufacturers and gun dealers are held accountable (here we go again with that silly liberal ideology of personal responsibility) for each and every gun manufactured, sold, and bought, they all have the blood of the mexican drug wars on their hands.

I don't know if you read the article.

They caught like 10 guys doing it. That's holding them accountable. No one here is arguing against the law making it illegal to transport guns across the border.

Go look, I'll wait.

Great, you're back from your search. How'd it turn out? Fruitless, eh? That's too bad. Well, it's not too late for you to change your argument you know?

You could go with something like "man, sure is great they caught those guys. Now all they need to do is continue working in this manner and Obama won't have to go to another foreign country and talk about how 90% of the guns drug cartels are using come from America".

Then, maybe you could move on to: "and perhaps Hillary won't have to say that the issues in Mexico are our fault.", paving the way and making excuses for gun bans here in the United States.

They could avoid saying those because they are fucking lies. It's a fucking lie for people like you to grab, tuck into their little file upstairs and to bestow that nugget of dip-shittery upon us when the time comes.

"until gun manufacturers and gun dealers are held accountable (here we go again with that silly liberal ideology of personal responsibility) for each and every gun manufactured, sold, and bought, they all have the blood of the mexican drug wars on their hands."

It's rather ironic that while claiming ownership of the "silly liberal ideology of personal responsibility" you attempt to deflect blame away from the cartels and impotent Mexican government (who actually bear full responsibility). The manufacturers have no blood on their hands, as it is not their responsibility to track every gun they make to make sure every sale is legal.

By your logic Toyota has blood on their hands since the car of choice used to transport drug dealers in the "mexican drug wars" are Toyotas. Those bastards, if only they would make sure their cars aren't being bought by drug dealers everything would be ok.

"ahhh
the republican way
deflect the FACT that a huge amount of weapons being used to murder innocent civilians, police officials, and other dealers COME FROM THE UNITED STATES.
90%
80%
50%
who cares."

The "fact" you put so much faith in is just a statistic. It doesn't mean anything by itself. A smart person puts the statistic into context when trying to figure out what it means.

Mexico is run by drug dealers with alot of money and people who have alot money and government officials on their payroll can get guns wherever they want. So to say that Mexican drug cartels would be less violent if we had stricter gun laws is completely ludicrous. That theory doesn't stand up to even passing scrutiny.

Mexican drug gangs buy our guns because we are close. If we cut them off, there are plenty of other places to buy guns and nobody is going to stop them from buying as many as they want. You can throw out as many meaningless stats as you want and you will never change that realiy.

None of the Mexican Gins are from America. FOX told us so

northbi, is it Mexican's or American's pulling the trigger of the guns?

YOU GD tool.

And for those guys shipping guns, they should be charged with every murder in Mexico for the last year, and EXECUTED!! is that too much for you lefties?

GOD BLESS THE ATF

#24 | Posted by HillBillyJihad"

Said that about the ATF at Waco, too.

And Midtown-since the gun dealers are knowingly arming the cartels, I'd go with both. I mean, if bin laden's chauffeur can be considered a fierce bad terrorist for something he might have overheard, the guys knowingly arming the killers are complicit, too.

Quote from Axiom: ".50 Bolt Action Semi-Automatic Rifle"

The reason for the Hmmm comment was because a bolt-action rifle is not a semi-automatic. The bolt-action rifle is either a single-shot or a manually loaded repeating rifle. Even my 8 year old hunter education students know the difference. Obviously, you don't. BTW, the rifles that shoot the .50 Cal. BMG round (.50 Cal. Browning Machine Gun) come in single shot bolt-action, repeating bolt-action, and semi-automatic. The most commonly known company producing them is the Barrett Firearms company. However, there are others that produce .50 BMG rifles. These rifles are difficult to carry due to their weight, between 23 and 30 lbs. Try packing one of those guns cross-country any significant distance.

It's unfortunate that some people, with limited knowledge, continue to embarrass themselves by posting ridiculous statements. If you're going to comment on guns, you should first thoroughly familiarize yourself with the topic before you make postings that make you look stupid.

"That describes just about any round larger than a handgun.

#3 | Posted by jpw at 2009-05-19 10:59 AM"

A round that's larger than a handgun? That's either one large round, or one small handgun.

A round that's larger than a handgun? That's either one large round, or one small handgun.

#44 | Posted by mOntecOre at 2009-05-20 12:26 PM | Reply | Flag: Bad.

It's unfortunate that some people, with limited knowledge, continue to embarrass themselves by posting ridiculous statements. If you're going to comment on guns, you should first thoroughly familiarize yourself with the topic before you make postings that make you look stupid.

it's unfortunate that people who wish to comment on an admitted faux pas by someone can't be bothered to read just a smidgen further in the thread to see...

HOLY SHIT!

Wow, never mind.

Proof reading is important. *facepalm*

The clip I'm talking about compared one of these

www.barrettrifles.com

to one of these

www.youtube.com

#16 | Posted by Axiom at 2009-05-19 12:59 PM | Reply | Flag:

I appreciate your support, Vancouver Bob, but it was un-needed after the "hmmm" aroused my own suspicions that I had made a mistake and should take the opportunity to correct it.