I love Jesse Ventura more every day!

I love the hypocrisy in politics. Take the blow statement for example...
""They want her out because she lied?" asked Ventura. "Why didn't they ask for Bush and Cheney to go out when they lied about why we went into Iraq?" "

On the flip side, why aren't the people that want Bush and Cheney out for lying asking for Pelosi to be out? "They" conveniently ignore their own hypocrisy.

Does Ventura have a book coming out, or is he low on money?

Jesse destroys the feebleminded Hasslebimbo.

Lets talk about the real meat of this clip (Which Raw Story conveniently avoids):

Nothing is going to happen because they're all involved. Dems and Repubs are both involved...that's why President Obama is backing off from this and they aren't going to do it now. It's a good thing I'm not the President, I'm an independent...because I would prosecute the people who did it. I would prosecute the people that ordered it and they would all be in jail.

Hey Dems, put that in your pragmatic pipe and smoke it. That is called getting tough...not your Arlen Specter committee circle jerk you were so proud of a few weeks ago.

I can't wait for him to run in 2012. He will rip the Obamaprompter and whatever retard the Republicans roll out, to shreds.

Does Ventura have a book coming out, or is he low on money?

He's setting the table for 2012.

On the flip side, why aren't the people that want Bush and Cheney out for lying asking for Pelosi to be out? "They" conveniently ignore their own hypocrisy.

#2 | Posted by 101Chairborne

Some of us are. Well, calling for a complete investigation of the matter, without regard to party or position, anyway.

San,
I know some are, just like some wanted Bush and Cheney out for lying.
I got the feeling that Jesse wasn't talking about some, rather using the broad brush approach, so I followed in kind.

Jesse destroys the feebleminded Hasslebimbo.

Lets talk about the real meat of this clip (Which Raw Story conveniently avoids):

Nothing is going to happen because they're all involved. Dems and Repubs are both involved...that's why President Obama is backing off from this and they aren't going to do it now. It's a good thing I'm not the President, I'm an independent...because I would prosecute the people who did it. I would prosecute the people that ordered it and they would all be in jail.

Hey Dems, put that in your pragmatic pipe and smoke it. That is called getting tough...not your Arlen Specter committee circle jerk you were so proud of a few weeks ago.

I can't wait for him to run in 2012. He will rip the Obamaprompter and whatever retard the Republicans roll out, to shreds.

#3 | Posted by IraqiBukkake at 2009-05-19 09:26 AM

Jesse slaps Hannity around in his spare time.

Wait... Ventura as C in C of this nation? Hmm, I'll need to look over his politics, this could prove interesting (man it feels good to be able to post here during working hours again).

Jesse "The Body" Ventura flies off the top turnbuckle and does an atomic drop on Lizzie "The Brainless" Hassleback-Mountain?

LOL!

The "But, but, but Pelosi!" defense proving all but futile for her?

Sweet!

Nothing is going to happen because they're all involved. Dems and Repubs are both involved...that's why President Obama is backing off from this and they aren't going to do it now. It's a good thing I'm not the President, I'm an independent...because I would prosecute the people who did it. I would prosecute the people that ordered it and they would all be in jail.

Agreed there should be a full inquiry into everybody's participation in this program on either side of the political aisle and let the chips fall where they may.

Agreed it prolly won't happen because both sides are tainted.

Pelosi needs to step down as Speaker of the House in any event.

She enabled the BushCo regime far too much to be able to be trusted in any future endevours.

That noted, Cheney and Dumbya and Yoo and Gonzales and Rumsfeld et al need to be investigated throughly by an independent source.

Jesse's on the money here.

BeWell.

Inasmuch as Pelosi took prosecuting the Bush Mafia off the table, I agree with Spud (as usual). There's way too much off the table - justice for bushlings, single payer health care, showing the torture photos to the world and the war raging on. Set the goddam table, already. herm

"Does Ventura have a book coming out, or is he low on money?"

Ventura is a real patriot. He really cares about the country.

He isn't a phony cunt like some.

He isn't a phony cunt like some.

#12 | Posted by JeffnDenmark at 2009-05-19 02:56 PM

....speaking of "phony cunts", there's this guy that fled to Denmark...oh wait.

It's you!

"On the flip side, why aren't the people that want Bush and Cheney out for lying asking for Pelosi to be out?"

Got me. I want Bush & Cheney held accountable AND Pelosi out.

Oh, and toss that worthless Harry Reid along wtih her.

If Ventura runs in '12 or '16, he needs to include the chain gun from Predator somehow in his campaign logos.

I ain't got time to bleed.

I asked Dalai Lama the most important question that I think you could ask - if he had ever seen Caddyshack. -Jesse Ventura

If I could be reincarnated as a fabric, I would come back as a 38 double-D bra. -Jesse Ventura

On the flip side, why aren't the people that want Bush and Cheney out for lying asking for Pelosi to be out? "They" conveniently ignore their own hypocrisy.

With the 4th Congressman coming out today saying that the CIA got their notes wrong on these meetings, it doesn't look like Pelosi is lying.

The facts aren't out yet and I think that they aren't out for a reason. It's going to be very difficult to put that cat back in the box once released.

And in Pelosi's defense, what has the CIA gotten right since the last 8 years? I can't think of anything. I have no idea why anyone would put any faith in to what they the CIA says. No clue whatsoever.

All you lame dicks that whine and moan everytme someone makes a statement like this, 'they are all involved' are now jumping on the bandwagon.

And how far is it, if you realize that they were all in on it, to realize they were all in on the false flag operation of 911 too as well as the Patriot (nazi) Act and the illegal war in Iraq?

He isn't a phony cunt like some.

#12 | POSTED BY JEFFNDENMARK

You've never seen him in his former career have you.

/yeah that wrestling shit is real!

#3 | Posted by IraqiBukkake

Great point!
That one kind of slipped by. I did catch that, but it was so subtle that I didn't really give it much thought.
Both parties are corrupt and working together.

shitsbyeric,
It's real enough that at 60 years old Ventura could tear off your head and shit down your neck. If he was so inclined.

This is stupid... Who gives a crap what Gov. Ventura said..

Why did we only water board Muslims?

HOW THE HELL WOULD HE KNOW?

As far as I know Jess.... Al-Qaida members are all Muslim.... If they were Hassidic Jews they would have gotten the same result from flying a plane into an American city and killing 3000 people The one main guy who got waterboarded was the guy who planned 9/11. The guy who controlled the whole op.
I wouldn't care and I don't think the CIA cared if he was Muslim or Hindu
The former Gov must be lining up for another election He seems now to be pandering to the Muslim population in his own state which I think is pretty large no?

Just more of the same crap from the left

You folks seem to go through life looking to score a point for this or a point for that You idiots think Jesse Ventura give a crap about what you say?
Grow the hell up!

The simplemindedness of you all is sickening....

"Oh boy... hehe... Did you hear what jesse said... Oh Boy he sure showed her... hehe .

You all sound like Corky the friggin retard. So does Ventura.

And another thing... What the hell is this crap that Ventura had a number of torture methods tested upon him in the military? That is a total load of BULL SHIT!

I am starting to doubt anything he has to say about the military. After hearing him talk about explosives during a "Bush really blew up the world trade center interview."

He don't know shit about explosives or demolition.

"If waterboarding is okay, why didn't we waterboard..."

Because they are Americans.

See, simple shit like this gets missed when the National political dialog is lead by an ex "professional" wrassler and a dumb bitch who has a TV show because she is married to the brother of a below average NFL QB.

...just a query, aren't SEALS waterboarded in spec-ops camp?

shitsbyeric,
It's real enough that at 60 years old Ventura could tear off your head and shit down your neck. If he was so inclined.

#23 | POSTED BY JEFFNDENMARK

It's still phony, and I could shoot and kill him. What's your point.

/still rather vote for him than Bob Barr the phony Libertarian, man that sucked.

..just a query, aren't SEALS waterboarded in spec-ops camp?

#25 | Posted by r8rh8r

Yes.

Malcolm Wrightson Nance is a former member of the U.S. military intelligence community, a retired U.S. Navy Senior Chief Petty Officer.

He was an instructor at the U.S. Navy Survival, Evasion, Resistance and Escape (SERE) school in North Island Naval Air Station, California. Nance served in that capacity as an instructor and Master Training Specialist in the Wartime Prisoner-of-War, Peacetime Hostile Government Detainee and Terrorist Hostage survival programs.

Here's what he says about waterboarding:

"Waterboarding is a torture technique. Period. There is no way to gloss over it or sugarcoat it. It has no justification outside of its limited role as a training demonstrator. Our service members have to learn that the will to survive requires them accept and understand that they may be subjected to torture, but that America is better than its enemies and it is one's duty to trust in your nation and God, endure the hardships and return home with honor."

"It's a good thing I'm not the President, I'm an independent...because I would prosecute the people who did it. I would prosecute the people that ordered it and they would all be in jail.

Hey Dems, put that in your pragmatic pipe and smoke it."

That is what I've been saying for a while. Put Bush, Cheney, Pelosi, Reid and everyone else through the investigation.

Prosecute any legal violations that occurred.

Just more of the same crap from the left...

I am starting to doubt anything he has to say about the military. After hearing him talk about explosives during a "Bush really blew up the world trade center interview."

The simplemindedness of you all is sickening....

He don't know shit about explosives or demolition.

You're absolutely right. I would take the word of 5 deferment Dick over a former Navy SEAL and underwater demolitions expert any day of the week. What kind of credibility does he have?

Speaking of simple mindedness, I hear season 7 of "24" is out. Why don't you go pick it up, get a fresh bottle of Lubraderm and go to town?

#24 | Posted by bashthis

While you, on the other hand, are a respected and well-known expert on ... ???????

Because they are Americans.

So, do you feel waterboarding is torture?

Posted by bashthis

Hey easy on this poor guy. I think he just wanted to show how fucking stupid he is. He didn't mean anything by it.

The Beltway Bosses seem not on the same page, but in the same paragraph. They set an example that reeks of moral contamination. Once again I think we should demand a Special Grand Jury and require public notice of it's queries and answers given when they hand down an indictment. Perjury and obstruction should draw an immediate citation of contempt. Let them sit in jail until the trial.

If the facts are known, whether or not prosecutions take place, we could see a serious change in the House, if only the electorate is aware and motivated.

Vote them out. Vote in Ron Paul Republicans. We need about 60 votes to pass a bill to audit the Federal Reserve. So it's not just torture and renditions, It's the Economy Stupid.

That whole gang has been feeding at the trough. Don't tell me they don't like the high life. Vote them out. Stop excusing corruption, collusion, fraud, and other misdeeds by pointing the finger across the aisle.

Just the Facts. The Truth, The Whole Truth, and Nothing but the Truth.

"Why do we only waterboard Muslims?"

Is that a serious question?

I agree with Spud (as usual).

#11 | Posted by herm at 2009-05-19 02:10 PM | Reply

butt boy

Waterboarding is a torture technique. Period.

yeah yeah

I'm not saying it isn't. But I can see the difference in a technique that is performed on military personnel as a training aid vs. physically or mentally maiming someone for life.

They use waterboarding at SERE(and not 'the rack' or the pulling out of fingernails) because once you 'teach' your brain you aren't really drowning, it's a piece of cake.

I just think we need to recognize that of all the "torture" techniques available to our military 10,000 miles from free society in a war zone, waterboarding is fairly benign.

Is that a serious question?

#34 | Posted by fwthom

Yep, and it goes with this one. It's a serious quetion too.

Neither one has been answered though.

"If waterboarding is okay, why didn't we waterboard [Timothy] McVeigh and [Terry] Nichols, the Oklahoma City bombers, to find out if there were more people involved?

'We Only Seem to Waterboard Muslims'

Only Muslims seem to crash airplanes into office buildings, and detonate IEDs to maim American soldiers.

coincidence?

...because once you 'teach' your brain you aren't really drowning, it's a piece of cake.

#36 | Posted by r8rh8r

Only if you are absolutely certain whoever is doing it to you will stop before you do drown or have a heart attack.

maim American soldiers.

Americans do that too.

"That's an interesting question," Hasselbeck said. "I understand that question."

If you asked someone a question and the only answer you got from the person being asked is that she understands the question, wouldn't you think that person has something seriously wrong with them mentally?

Ventura shows he is a complete idiot.

On the flip side, why aren't the people that want Bush and Cheney out for lying asking for Pelosi to be out? "They" conveniently ignore their own hypocrisy.

Does Ventura have a book coming out, or is he low on money?

#2 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2009-05-19 09:23 AM | Reply | Flag:

Why aren't you screaming for the heads of Dennis Hastert and Bill First?

You remember them. They were the people IN CHARGE when the CIA gave the '03 briefings.

Ventura shows he is a complete idiot.

#42 | Posted by midtowncowboy

In what way?

Ventura shows his ignorance and stupidity.

Hey Ventura, could you tell us why we don't read prisoners of war their Miranda rights? Might it be that police don't waterboard prisoners because it has something to do with the difference between a law-breaking citizen and an enemy combatant who's trying to destroy us, DUMBASS?

Why aren't you screaming for the heads of Dennis Hastert and Bill First?

You remember them. They were the people IN CHARGE when the CIA gave the '03 briefings.

#43 | Posted by COMMONSENSE at 2009-05-19 04:46 PM | Reply

Get a clue retard. I'm not screaming for anyone's head where torture is concerned. I am all for using it wisely, just like your heroes, the Dems. Now bugger off, semen.

Might it be that police don't waterboard prisoners because it has something to do with the difference between a law-breaking citizen and an enemy combatant who's trying to destroy us, DUMBASS?

Is waterboarding torture?

Do ordinary civilians volunteer to be tortured?

Do ordinary civilians volunteer to be tortured?

#48 | Posted by 101Chairborne

Well, Sean Hannity did, but he's been a little quiet about it lately.

Is waterboarding torture?

Sure.

Is it the same thing (or even in the same ballpark) as pulling someone's thumbs off?

enemy combatant who's trying to destroy us, DUMBASS?

#45 | Posted by TheOneBS

You are a fucking pussy man.

Ventura has been dropped on his head too much while wrestling. Governor? Minnesota is a zoo. After all, it seems that Franken may be seated as U.S. Senator from that state. It would be a joke except for consequences.

Waterboarding is done to secure information to protect the public from an attack by people who want to harm us. It is not usually done for sadistic enjoyment, nor for punishment for any kind of acts regardless of how grievous.

Playing word games, whether or not it is called "torture" is irrelevant. If more severe forms of inquiry are required, use them. Only an insane person would sacrifice his personal safety and that of his family, friends, and countrymen by placing self-imposed restrictions on securing information that might serve to secure information that would help prevent harm being inflicted on them.

#51 | Posted by Manypaths/FLAG . . . said the limpwrist from the peanut gallery!

Finally, the lid is off,in a small way. Seems as if an independent might have a really good shot in 2012. I'm all for that.

Sorry shithead, but you are the one crying about being destroyed.

enemy combatant who's trying to destroy us, DUMBASS?

#45 | Posted by TheOneBS

Mommy can't keep you safe anymore little boy?

I suspect that if we sorted out those who are so squeamish that they oppose waterboarding, and those who support it, or who like me support even more painful methods as required and without stinting, you would find that those opposed to waterboarding (or severe torture) are generally those who have been unwilling to place themselves at risk in the armed forces. This is speculation.

Now I would support putting electrodes on the genitals of the subject of inquiry, putting lit cigarettes to his eyes pouring acid down his anus, chopping off his fingers, or feeding him piecemeal to voracious hogs, all for starters, or disemboweling his parents, wife, and children before him to cause him to talk. But then, I happen to value the well-being of those associated with me by blood or heritage, more than the well-being of some fellow who feels it is his mandate to do us harm.

Sure.

Is it the same thing (or even in the same ballpark) as pulling someone's thumbs off?

Then the exercise really isn't for you. The point Jesse was trying to make is that if you don't think it is torture, which Elizabeth clearly doesn't based on her updated talking points, why isn't something that isn't torture used on American citizens?

That being said...per the torture memos, there is no difference between waterboarding, pulling someone's thumbs off or pulling someone's child's thumbs off. It all happens at the whim of the President.

Gosh, is it a statistical coincidence that Muslims are the ones with information concerning attempts to commit terrorist acts against us? I don't think so. I don't think they are selected because they are Muslims. If they were, we could have literally millions in the docks. They are selected because they are reasonably suspected of being involved in terrorist activity and possessing information regarding plans to harm us.

If the jerkwater Ventura wants to make it "fair," then he can be waterboarded together with each suspect. Let him volunteer. He was a loudmouth as a wrestler, as a Governor, and now seems to be craving some attention for his otherwise not currently noteworthy persona.

Waterboarding is done to secure information to protect the public from an attack by people who want to harm us. It is not usually done for sadistic enjoyment, nor for punishment for any kind of acts regardless of how grievous.

Unfortunately, reality does not mesh with this statement.

I suspect that if we sorted out those who are so squeamish that they oppose waterboarding, and those who support it, or who like me support even more painful methods as required and without stinting, you would find that those opposed to waterboarding (or severe torture) are generally those who have been unwilling to place themselves at risk in the armed forces. This is speculation.

Comparing the records of Dick Cheney and Jesse Ventura, I would suggest the opposite.

Jesse went to the same bloggs as you guys for his information! He was a PISS - POOR Governor and would make a Piss - Poor anything else! A mouth in the forest of mouths, spouting his oppinion loud enough to be heard, AND, coincidentally sell them books! At a boy Jesse, make that other million (or two)!

If the Son-of-a-Bitch is trying to kill off as many Americans as he/she can, and has not talked, take whatever course of action necessary to get what they know, by all means available.

If you don't, take the blame directly (fall on that fucking sword) cause your career is over and you'll never be anything more than a CONSULTANT!!!!

If the Son-of-a-Bitch is trying to kill off as many Americans as he/she can, and has not talked, take whatever course of action necessary to get what they know, by all means available.

This is Jack Bauer nonsense.

This is Jack Bauer nonsense.

Dramatically whispered into the keyboard, I take it...

Jesse ventura was never even in Viet Nam... he was never a SEAL he was UDT in the Philipenes. He is completely full of it.

READ THIS

The point is not whether waterboarding (tendered as torture or not) should be used on American citizens for fun or as punishment, but whether it should be used against putative terrorists to attempt to avert harm being done us.

Just how is the use of waterboarding on American citizens related to whether or not it should be used to secure information from terrorists. It's an irrelevant distraction from the issue, which is whether interdicting attacks is worthwhile. If interdicting attacks is worthwhile, what means should be used. Should those means be dictated solely by their utility, or should we needlessly expose ourselves to harm because of someone convoluted thinking that has determined that it is better that Americans be killed than harm be inflicted on the person involved with doing the harm.

The rest of the conversation is irrelevant. No one should care what happens to those intent on committing or enabling terrorist acts. Only a group of degenerates, or renegades who feel an affiliation with the terrorists, would criticize such actions based on their recognition that they themselves are worthless and their well-being is not worth protecting.

As for me, I and mine are worth protecting. Use any and all means necessary.

Jesse Ventura

From September 11, 1969 to September 10, 1975, during the Vietnam War era, he served in the United States Navy. While on active duty, from January 5, 1970 to December 10, 1973, Ventura was part of Underwater Demolition Team 12. According to the United States Naval Special Warfare Command policy, Ventura is entitled to use the title "SEAL", due to both his service in the UDT and SEAL teams, and his successful graduation from UDT-R (now BUD/S) training.[citation needed] He was awarded the National Defense Service Medal and the Vietnam Service Medal but was not in combat to qualify for the Combat Action Ribbon. In his autobiography, Ventura described SEAL training as the toughest experience of his life. "It's worse than anything you can imagine," he wrote, "You have to want it bad, very bad." Ventura always mentioned how much he respected his SEAL instructor Master Chief Petty Officer Terry "Mother" Moy. He asked Moy to stand by his side when he was sworn in as governor of Minnesota. He ended his inaugural address with the SEAL war cry "HOOYAH!" He is considered one of the SEALs' most famous alumni.

As for me, I and mine are worth protecting. Use any and all means necessary.

My first suggestion would be to get a shot of penicillin. Perhaps then the syphilis will stop eating your brain.

#59 | Posted by IraqiBukkake at 2009-05-19 05:20 PM

Waterboarding is done to secure information to protect the public from an attack by people who want to harm us. It is not usually done for sadistic enjoyment, nor for punishment for any kind of acts regardless of how grievous.

Unfortunately, reality does not mesh with this statement.

And if the "worker," who is conducting the interrogation enjoys his work, even gets his rocks off, that's an additional reward for him for doing good work. It certainly is of no concern. Those of us who are natures' noblemen want to see good work rewarded and joy brought to the world.

I would take the word of 5 deferment Dick over a former Navy SEAL and underwater demolitions expert any day of the week. What kind of credibility does he have?

Jesse was Not a NAVY SEAL

The rest of the conversation is irrelevant. No one should care what happens to those intent on committing or enabling terrorist acts. Only a group of degenerates, or renegades who feel an affiliation with the terrorists, would criticize such actions based on their recognition that they themselves are worthless and their well-being is not worth protecting.

Those who are concerned with where the terrorists set the bar and then raise that bar a half inch share far more affiliation with terrorists than those who think that America should hold a high standard based on the rule of law.

Just how is the use of waterboarding on American citizens related to whether or not it should be used to secure information from terrorists.

Cos once you allow that the use of torture may sometimes be neccessary in order to remain "secure" it's only a couple of steps down the slippery slope towards using it on American citizens.

Most countries who torture as an element of policy do so to their own citizens primarily.

Mostly in order to induce and maintain a fear state in the rest of the population in order to keep the powers-that-be in power and unchecked in the excercise of that power but also in order to force false confessions in order to put a thin veneer of legality over the proceedings.

Actually producing intel, America's current justification for torture, rates a distant third in term of application, btw.

Be Well.

The closest thing that Jesse ventura got to being a Navy SEAL in NAM was played on the UDT 12 basketball team in the Philippines, at the naval station in Subic Bay.

The rest of it about "Man Hunting" and all the other shit he speaks about is Bull Shit.

You think that the creeps who have been waterboarded were not selected on the basis of information they possessed? If so, how come there were lamentably, so few? I think the program should have been used routinely.

So somewhere between waterboarding 1 and 183, do you think that we crossed the threshold of sadistic enjoyment and punishment of any kind of act?

#66 | Posted by Zorg_the_Vogon at 2009-05-19 05:36 PM

He was awarded the National Defense Service Medal and the Vietnam Service Medal but was not in combat to qualify for the Combat Action Ribbon.

... Ventura described SEAL training as the toughest experience of his life. "It's worse than anything you can imagine," he wrote, "You have to want it bad, very bad."

He ended his inaugural address with the SEAL war cry "HOOYAH!" He is considered one of the SEALs' most famous alumni.

It seems that his wrestler persona and the need for him to exhibit himself is displaying itself. He certainly was no hero, or even a combat veteran. He just parlayed his BS into a political office. Bluster and bullshit. The content of his opinion is its only excuse for being. He has no particular expertise or experience that is relevant.

How full of shit is he?

The closest thing that Jesse ventura got to being a Navy SEAL in NAM was played on the UDT 12 basketball team in the Philippines, at the naval station in Subic Bay.

The rest of it about "Man Hunting" and all the other shit he speaks about is Bull Shit.

So I guess that makes him only makes him 4 or 5 thousand times more credible than Dick Cheney, instead of 15 thousand.

Waterboard this Jesse...

Could you imagine Jesse in 1944 being upset that we only waterboard Nazis????

Duh!! These fucking animals are the enemy you dizzy motherfucker!!!! Waterboarding???!! We should be hooking up these fucks to car batterys.

The bottom line on torture is this...if your child was kidnapped by a group of people and you got a hold of one of the people that knew where your child was being held you would torture him until he told you where your child was-and if you say you wouldnt your full of SHIT

Later all...I need a few beers in me before I witness the Chicago Blackhawk beatdown at the hands of my Red Wings.

#73 | Posted by IraqiBukkake at 2009-05-19 05:48 PM

So somewhere between waterboarding 1 and 183, do you think that we crossed the threshold of sadistic enjoyment and punishment of any kind of act?

If however, they enjoyed their work, that's just a bonus for them. What difference would it make? They might be more attentive and enthusiastic and do a better job, I suppose. What else?

The bottom line on torture is this...if your child was kidnapped by a group of people and you got a hold of one of the people that knew where your child was being held you would torture him until he told you where your child was-and if you say you wouldnt your full of SHIT

The bottom line on this sentence is this...your wet dream scenario has never happened and never will.

The other indesputible truth about torture is this..........

You can make up all the laws you want

You can act pious and say we should never engage in such tactics

The bottom lime is this.....

If you get 2 CIA operatives in a 10 x 12 room in Yemen with Mohammed and they know Mohammed knows when a bomb is going to go off in Times Square....they're going to do what they're gonna do!

So get off your soapbox you pompous fucks!

Jesse ventura is an idiot, Must be the water in minnesota, Ventura, now the gay jerk Al Franken.

Ventura must have been the water boy for the seals, I can't see this pussy as a real man.

If you get 2 CIA operatives in a 10 x 12 room in Yemen with Mohammed and they know Mohammed knows when a bomb is going to go off in Times Square....they're going to do what they're gonna do!

That's true. In the case of that scenario, they will....regardless of what any "law" says.

None of us have any control over that.

Worthless fucks don't want to admit Torture is wrong it is ILLEGAL and it hurts the American Ideals. I can not believe we as Americans are even having this conversation. Have we sunk so low as to become terrorists ourselves?? That's what we are terrorists because our Country tortures. How fucking pathetic is that??

Larry

If you get 2 CIA operatives in a 10 x 12 room in Yemen with Mohammed and they know Mohammed knows when a bomb is going to go off in Times Square....they're going to do what they're gonna do!

So get off your soapbox you pompous fucks!

Wow, you really believe this retarded shit, don't you? Wipe off your keyboard before the keys start sticking!

Hey Ventura, could you tell us why we don't read prisoners of war their Miranda rights? Might it be that police don't waterboard prisoners because it has something to do with the difference between a law-breaking citizen and an enemy combatant who's trying to destroy us, DUMBASS? -- #45 | Posted by TheOneBS

Careful. PoW's (captured enemy combatants) are entitled to protection under the Geneva Convention.

The Bush Administration's denial of those protections was based on the claim that terrorism suspects are *not* enemy combatants.

Careful. PoW's (captured enemy combatants) are entitled to protection under the Geneva Convention.

The Bush Administration's denial of those protections was based on the claim that terrorism suspects are *not* enemy combatants.

Posted by Phoenix at 2009-05-19 06:03 PM | Reply

Don't forget the Supreme Court declared the Detainees in Gitmo had common article 3 Rights too. I can't believe these worthless shitstains. They condone torture something the United States used to condemn and prosecute for. Unbelievbable.

Larry

I can give a real simple answer for Jesse's question. The police have a very fine guideline they have to follow when questioning a suspect. They are trying to obtain evidence for a trial. Water boarding a shop lifter would be a little harsh.

On the other hand, we had many lawyers and officials who approved of the legality of our enhanced interrogation techniques of enemy combatants. The intel we could get from those suspects actually saved American lives.

In short, I would tell big mouth Ventura that there is quite a bit of a difference between a common criminal on our streets and a terrorist who's only desire in life is to kill American's. He's an even bigger tool now for opening his mouth on this one. I'd like to see his dumb ass go up against a trained Al Qaeda fighter and see if he wants him water boarded afterward.

On the other hand, we had many lawyers and officials who approved of the legality of our enhanced interrogation techniques of enemy combatants. The intel we could get from those suspects actually saved American lives.

In short, I would tell big mouth Ventura that there is quite a bit of a difference between a common criminal on our streets and a terrorist who's only desire in life is to kill American's. He's an even bigger tool now for opening his mouth on this one. I'd like to see his dumb ass go up against a trained Al Qaeda fighter and see if he wants him water boarded afterward.

Posted by everlong at 2009-05-19 06:08 PM | Reply

Just because Lawyers say it's AOKAY doesn't mean it's AOKAY anjd You're so full of shit that Your hair folicalls are oozing if You think Torture saved lives. You are part of AMerica's problem. Not it's solution. WE DECLARED TORTURE INCLUDING WATERBOARDING WHICH IS TORTURE ILLEGAL. It's Presedented.

Larry

"If waterboarding is okay, why didn't we waterboard [Timothy] McVeigh and [Terry] Nichols, the Oklahoma City bombers, to find out if there were more people involved? What's your answer to that?" he asked. "We only seem to waterboard Muslims."
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Well, McVeigh and Nichols are American citizens, and enjoy constitutional protection. Ahmed al Jujubee, captured with twelve of his buddies fleeing a Marine with a slingshot, is not.

Well, McVeigh and Nichols are American citizens, and enjoy constitutional protection. Ahmed al Jujubee, captured with twelve of his buddies fleeing a Marine with a slingshot, is not.

Posted by rightisright at 2009-05-19 06:21 PM | Reply

Sorry wrong answer Bzzzzzzzzzzzz. Anyone that is in our Custody is entitled to the US Constitutional protections. The Supreme Court done said THAT.

Larry

Get a clue retard. I'm not screaming for anyone's head where torture is concerned. I am all for using it wisely, just like your heroes, the Dems. Now bugger off, semen.

#46 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2009-05-19 04:57 PM | Reply | Flag:

Semen?

Calling me the name of your favorite lunchtime snack seems odd, but then I just consider the source.

So, Pelosi = BAD for not being in charge but Frist & Hastert = GOOD?

FLIP FLIP

FLIP FLOP

FLIP FLOP

By that logic, Johnson, Cheney and Bush should be adamantly opposed to waterboarding, having been "unwilling to place themselves at risk in the armed forces."

But, as you say, it's just speculation.

If you get 2 CIA operatives in a 10 x 12 room in Yemen with Mohammed and they know Mohammed knows when a bomb is going to go off in Times Square....they're going to do what they're gonna do!
So get off your soapbox you pompous fucks!

#82 | POSTED BY KEITHSTEPHEN AT 2009-05-19 05:57 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

I love ticking time-bomb scenarios. It assumes the person being tortured isn't so ideological, so committed to their cause they'd sell out and give the truth when tortured. Applying that rational to a terrorist that's going to blow up Times Square is insane. The decision to blow up Times Square should be the first clue.

All that would happen is the terrorist gives enough false leads to tie up the people looking for the bomb. The bomb goes off - the terrorist wins. We lost twice. Once for Times Square, and once for being stupid enough to think torture, designed to elicit false confessions, would give us truth in this instance.

We also lose any moral high ground, but apparently that's out of fashion with the Right. Why it's downright pompous!

I suspect that if we sorted out those who are so squeamish that they oppose waterboarding, and those who support it, or who like me support even more painful methods as required and without stinting, you would find that those opposed to waterboarding (or severe torture) are generally those who have been unwilling to place themselves at risk in the armed forces. This is speculation.

#56 | Posted by Johnson

Right - like this guy.

Malcolm Wrightson Nance is a former member of the U.S. military intelligence community, a retired U.S. Navy Senior Chief Petty Officer.

He was an instructor at the U.S. Navy Survival, Evasion, Resistance and Escape (SERE) school in North Island Naval Air Station, California. Nance served in that capacity as an instructor and Master Training Specialist in the Wartime Prisoner-of-War, Peacetime Hostile Government Detainee and Terrorist Hostage survival programs.

Here's what he says about waterboarding:

"Waterboarding is a torture technique. Period. There is no way to gloss over it or sugarcoat it. It has no justification outside of its limited role as a training demonstrator. Our service members have to learn that the will to survive requires them accept and understand that they may be subjected to torture, but that America is better than its enemies and it is one's duty to trust in your nation and God, endure the hardships and return home with honor."

...we had many lawyers and officials who approved of the legality of our enhanced interrogation techniques of enemy combatants. The intel we could get from those suspects actually saved American lives. -- #89 | Posted by everlong

Wrong on both counts. (1) The legality of torture wasn't accepted widely even *within* the Bush Administration:

We also lose any moral high ground, but apparently that's out of fashion with the Right. Why it's downright pompous!

Perhaps.

But if faced with that scenario, you would be naive to not accept that torture is a possibility.

They just won't bother telling anybody about it.

It won't matter who is in the WH.

Jesse Ventura is a moron. Period.

Funny how the hard left will embrace any brain damaged goofball if they hate Bush.

And suddenly military service is so 'noble' when the vet is a left wing nut job.

Jesse, when buddhist monks are flying planes into our building we will start waterboarding them, you stupid idiot.

But if faced with that scenario, you would be naive to not accept that torture is a possibility.
They just won't bother telling anybody about it.
It won't matter who is in the WH.

Still waiting for proof, any proof that it works. The FBI certainly made fun of the ticking time bomb scenario and how coercive techniques do just the opposite. They shut the detainee down, make them uncooperative. You know, like Jack Bauer shuts down, misleads, unless it's Jack Bauer doing the torturing. Then it works, of course.

There's a simple solution to the questions of is waterboarding torture and does it provide reliable intel. Take the people who say waterboarding isn't torture and that it provide reliable intel, and let them volunteer to be waterboarded (Care to volunteer Mr. Cheney?) Star them down and ask them if waterboarding is torture and/or ineffective, if they say yes, let them go, if they don't proceed to waterboard them and tell them all have to do is say yes. Repeat up to 183 times. See how long it takes them to change their tune. If they make it through all 183 times without just telling the interrogator what they want to hear then we'll consider it effective and not torture.

Great example of being a retarded douche, lmiller867.

Congratulations!

Terrorists everywhere applaud your stand.

Okay Darwinian Dropouts, please complete the following:

I want to cooperate in the extinction of myself and my line because:

On the other hand, we had many lawyers and officials who approved of the legality of our enhanced interrogation techniques of enemy combatants. The intel we could get from those suspects actually saved American lives.

Find ANY links that prove your point yet?
You guys have been spouting that BS for years. AND IT'S NOT TRUE.

Funny how the hard left will embrace any brain damaged goofball if they hate Bush.

And suddenly military service is so 'noble' when the vet is a left wing nut job.

Jesse, when buddhist monks are flying planes into our building we will start waterboarding them, you stupid idiot.

#99 | Posted by r_zeitgeist at 2009-05-19 06:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

Can I play too? Let me try.

I can name that tired tune in only two words: 'right' & 'worthless'

Funny how the hard 'right' will embrace any brain damaged goofball if they hate Obama.

And suddenly military service is so 'worthless' when the vet is a left wing nut job.

Gee, that's pretty easy.

Funny how the hard left will embrace any brain damaged goofball if they hate Bush.

And suddenly military service is so 'noble' when the vet is a left wing nut job.

Jesse, when buddhist monks are flying planes into our building we will start waterboarding them, you stupid idiot.

#99 | Posted by r_zeitgeist at 2009-05-19 06:45 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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Sorry but I don't Embrace You and I am a Hard Lefty. Blows that bullshit out of the water now doesn't it.

Larry

"Waterboarding is done to .. protect the public from an attack by people who want to harm us. It is not usually done for sadistic enjoyment, nor for punishment..."

This hinges on there being people who want to harm us and the torturers' ability to decide who they are. As for WHY we torture, for fun or profit ... does it really, c'chrissake, matter? herm

As for WHY we torture, for fun or profit ... does it really, c'chrissake, matter? herm

It probably does to a lot of people Herm. It is the only reason why this country would support any kind of torture.....that it actually works.

US Govt's "Denial" is their Omnipotent Check Mate!

Jesse today's U.S.Govt (a.k.a.New World Order) doesn't have to "Disprove" any of your logic or indisputable facts regarding their "blatant criminality"! Rather all they have to do is to officially "Deny" everything! Denial has proven to be the US Govt's (NWO's) most utilitarian and omnipotent "Check Mate" to all its detractors and accussers.Denial works so well and so powerfully for the White House and the US Congress/Senate because theres no one and no agency left in the US Govt that will in anyway "Refute" this Official Denial let alone penalize anyone for issuing these egregious "lies" of denial! No part of the US Judiciary including the various Attorneys Generals right up to the US Supreme Court is going to refute,investigate nor dare to prosecute any even see_through "Denials" made by the President,Congress or Senate or any of its criminally complicit agencies like the FBI,CIA,NSA etc..
So Jesse if you happen to get "pre empted" in the near future (you're blabbin too logically in the media) remember it wasn't the CIA,FBI or the Mossad... because of course that official "Denial" has no doubt already been drawn up!

"We only seem to waterboard Muslims" Duh! Who better to give back a little of what they give. While I am against all torture, it is true that the extremist Muslims do seem to torture anyone the don't like. If you have to treat someone like an animal, treat the ones that act like animals that way. Although the only cure for a rabid beast hasn't changed since forever, that being executing the quickly. We can just kill all of the "mad dog" Islamic Extremists. Seems a shame but that is international law. No more holocausts.

Ventura has been declared 'pinhead' by O'Reilly.

Ventura has been declared 'pinhead' by O'Reilly.

#111 | Posted by takitez

Well, he should probably just do the honorable thing then and commit hara kiri.

......Jesse Rules......

Some Simple differences ..McVeigh and Nichols were American citizens and have constitutional rights. Nichols had accepted a deal of no Death penalty to turn over evidence on McVeigh.The guys at gitmo are not American's and since they targeted civilians women and children with their terror they do not get even Geneva convention rights ..so we could water board them to get info.I want to see if the Dems Execute a muslim like they did to McVeigh a white male with bronze metal of valor from Desert Storm 1991 service. McVeigh deserved it but so do many of the gitmo guys. Also when the Murrow bldg bombing happened there were FBI reports of a 3rd person(s) of possible muslim radical persuasion but that part was never expanded upon and has become a right wing conspiracy.
be well
Darkstar

Some Simple differences ..McVeigh and Nichols were American citizens and have constitutional rights. Nichols had accepted a deal of no Death penalty to turn over evidence on McVeigh.The guys at gitmo are not American's and since they targeted civilians women and children with their terror they do not get even Geneva convention rights ..so we could water board them to get info.I want to see if the Dems Execute a muslim like they did to McVeigh a white male with bronze metal of valor from Desert Storm 1991 service. McVeigh deserved it but so do many of the gitmo guys. Also when the Murrow bldg bombing happened there were FBI reports of a 3rd person(s) of possible muslim radical persuasion but that part was never expanded upon and has become a right wing conspiracy.
be well
Darkstar

So, Pelosi = BAD for not being in charge but Frist & Hastert = GOOD?

FLIP FLIP

FLIP FLOP

FLIP FLOP

#93 | Posted by COMMONSENSE at 2009-05-19 06:29 PM

Are you retarded? Nowhere have I said "Pelosi bad, Frist and Hastert good". Keep making shit up and confirming that you're too stupid to follow a thread.
You fucking retard.

Only Muslims seem to crash airplanes into office buildings, and detonate IEDs to maim American soldiers.

coincidence?

#38 | Posted by vernon at 2009-05-19 04:23 PM

So only those acts qualify as terrorism?

waterboarding is mandatory training for Navy Seals.

Therefore, Ventura would be more accurate to say "we only seem to waterboard muslims and navy seals"

Are you retarded? Nowhere have I said "Pelosi bad, Frist and Hastert good". Keep making shit up and confirming that you're too stupid to follow a thread.
You fucking retard.

denying Pelosi bad is a funny comment you get a Funny flag!

Run Jesse run! I really admire Ventura's balls saying that. It's true. If it is not torture, why don't police do it to suspects? I heard Hannity yesterday sneering at this sound bite, but funny he did not address the question Ventura raised.

Run, Jesse, run!

Reverend Jesse Jackson is too old and whacked out to ever use that slogan again, anyway.

waterboard this bald headed fool

"we only seem to waterboard muslims" - seeming and doing are two different animals, jesse...

"Jesse, when buddhist monks are flying planes into our building we will start waterboarding them, you stupid idiot."

I'm pretty sure Ventura anticipated your point when he asked why we didn't waterboard McVeigh.

Seems he's one step ahead of you so if he's an idiot, what does that make you?

From Larry
"Seems to Me it was the Republican Dubya who executed Timothy McVeigh since it happened on His watch.
Larry"
"W" was on vacation at his ranch that month ...See Fahrenheit 911 lol
Still my point is ...when people from distant lands get captured from an unpopular war and are up for execution there is (will be) an outcry.
Darkstar

Darkstar You don't know what You are talking about. Dubya's been "On Vacation" since He slid down the birthing canal. I swear He be totally bamboozald stupid.

Larry

Somehow I think the whole point of whether or not torture actually works is being glossed over here. The fact is: it might, IF that person knows something, but even if they don't they will tell you they do sooner or later... The whole discussion is mute. Given enough torture (say being waterboarded 185 times in a month) you could get anyone, ANYONE, to tell you they plan to attack the Whitehouse on Alibaba's flying carpet and they would probably even believe it themselves when they say it. So in the end, what is the point of going through all this when the information you get can't really be totally or possibly even partially trustworthy? - non plus -

Larry, you're such a tool. Cheney has been trying to get Obama to release documents that show where our interrogations actually stopped other attacks or led to other arrests. Do you actually believe that we didn't gain one single bit of actionable intelligence out of all the people we interrogated? Common sense will tell you that you are wrong if you don't believe it.

Yet, all the while you libs scream about how interrogations did nothing and there's no proof anywhere of it working. You say that enhanced interrogations were not closely looked at for there legality, which again goes against all common sense. Bush was looking for a way around the Geneva Conventions. Do you think he just did that in his spare time? No matter what you think, just remember that Bush did what he did for you and your family. Of course, you will deny that as well with no proof again.

Larry, you're such a tool. Cheney has been trying to get Obama to release documents that show where our interrogations actually stopped other attacks or led to other arrests. Do you actually believe that we didn't gain one single bit of actionable intelligence out of all the people we interrogated? Common sense will tell you that you are wrong if you don't believe it.

Yet, all the while you libs scream about how interrogations did nothing and there's no proof anywhere of it working. You say that enhanced interrogations were not closely looked at for there legality, which again goes against all common sense. Bush was looking for a way around the Geneva Conventions. Do you think he just did that in his spare time? No matter what you think, just remember that Bush did what he did for you and your family. Of course, you will deny that as well with no proof again.

Posted by everlong at 2009-05-20 06:39 PM | Reply

Those documents are part of a pending Lawsuit idiot. Oh and Dubya was looking for a way around the Geneva Convention because He is a sadistic bastard. NOT for our supposed Safety. Utter and complete poppycock to the nth degree.

Larry

Ventura has quite the mouth and lacking in brains.

Well then Larry--why only waterboard 3 people if W was such a sadistic SOB??

There should have been a friggin party!

There should have been at least 100 or more who were waterboarded.

Do you actually believe that we didn't gain one single bit of actionable intelligence out of all the people we interrogated? Common sense will tell you that you are wrong if you don't believe it.

Posted by Everlong.

Nope not a single bit of actionable intel from torture not a single drop. Sorry terrorist supporter Everlong.

Larry

Well then Larry--why only waterboard 3 people if W was such a sadistic SOB??

There should have been a friggin party!

There should have been at least 100 or more who were waterboarded.

Posted by MURPHY at 2009-05-20 06:46 PM | Reply

Helloooooooooooooooooo They got the false confession for Al Qaeda ties to Saddam Hussein. That's what they wanted and thats why they tortured.

Larry

Ventura has quite the mouth and lacking in brains.

#130 | Posted by MURPHY at 2009-05-20 06:45 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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He is smarter than You want to admit to but that's OK we "Understand"

Larry

Ventura has quite the mouth and lacking in brains.

#130 | Posted by MURPHY at 2009-05-20 06:45 PM | Reply | Flag: Posted by Murphy

I've always liked Ventura as he uses words in a way that cuts directly to the chase. I was hoping he would go further politically.

I especially liked what he said about water boarding and Dick Cheney. He said give me an hour with Dick Cheney and I'll have him confessing to the Sharon Tate murders.

I think all those steroids have begun to eat away at his brain.

Too bad really.

Actually, I'm disappointed in Jesse because as a former Navy Seal, he should have known that troops are waterboarded as well.

I see everyone with the panties in a knot because we waterboard terrorist scum but I haven't seen where any of the left have spoken out about us waterboarding our troops. Like the terrorists, they have no say so in whether or not they get waterboarded. So if your going to rant and rave about how we torture people who barely qualify as a human beings, why don't ya'll say it's torture when they do it to the troops?

Lonnie

Actually, I'm disappointed in Jesse because as a former Navy Seal, he should have known that troops are waterboarded as well.

I see everyone with the panties in a knot because we waterboard terrorist scum but I haven't seen where any of the left have spoken out about us waterboarding our troops. Like the terrorists, they have no say so in whether or not they get waterboarded. So if your going to rant and rave about how we torture people who barely qualify as a human beings, why don't ya'll say it's torture when they do it to the troops?

Lonnie

#138 | Posted by lwalk17

Actually, Jesse does know that, and talked about it. And we've discussed that troops receive torture resistance training, including waterboarding extensively, on any number of threads over the past few months. Don't know where you've been.

And one key that has been brought up before in those threads is the difference between knowing that whoever is waterboarding you will stop before you die is kind of a big thing.

Well that's not what the headlines suggests he said. It says "We only seem to waterboard muslims." Which is incorrect at best and dishonest at the very least.

Lonnie

Actually I don't think it makes a bit of difference whether or not you know the person doing it isn't going to kill you since we do have a doctor present when it's performed at GITMO. Just my opinion.

Lonnie

Well that's not what the headlines suggests he said.
Lonnie

#140 | Posted by lwalk17

That's why its usually good to read more than the headline... and sometimes even read more than 1 article.

Actually I don't think it makes a bit of difference whether or not you know the person doing it isn't going to kill you ...

Lonnie

#141 | Posted by lwalk17

You don't think there is a difference between knowing you're in a controlled training exercise vs. being interrogated by your enemy for information.

Interesting.

silly analogy.. if we fighting IRA members, we'd have waterboarded their leadership.. war isn't a criminal justice matter.

Is there a difference when your on your back being held down and have water run over your face? Oh I see where your coming from Sanantoniorogue, you think that the waterboarding done to troops and waterboarding done to scumbags are handled differently, they are not! They are both handled with the same intensity. There's no, oh your a fellow soldier, I'm not going treat you the same as those guys.

Lonnie

...you think that the waterboarding done to troops and waterboarding done to scumbags are handled differently, they are not! They are both handled with the same intensity.

#144 | Posted by lwalk17

No, I think you missed the point. The difference is from the point of view of the victim. If you're a military person in the SERE program, mentally you know that no matter how bad it seems, they aren't going to kill you. Prisoners do not know whether or not whoever has them is going to kill them or not.

And I absolutely do NOT believe that someone conducting waterboarding in a training situation on a fellow soldier does so with exactly the same intensity as someone who is interrogating a prisoner who may have just killed some of his buddies.

Ok, so Sanantoniorogue, so tell us what's the difference between us waterboarding scumbags and sending them to Egypt where they use much harsher methods than waterboarding? I mean, we still have a Rendition policy. I mean how stupid would it be to stop waterboarding then enforce our rendition policy.

Lonnie

we only seem to be waterboarding Muslims? MMMMM.... Maybe because it seems as though only Muslims are flying planes into our buildings, and conducting Jihad as part of a larger terror network. That, just perhaps, is the reason...