Yea, the Dem Congress was responsible for the Repube admin's sanctioning the use of torture.

Makes sense to me.

They were certainly complicit, which is why you see Barry the Flopper doing a 180 on releasing the pictures. Nancy the Crab Queen got to him.

No, the Commanders in the field got to him, according to Repub appointee Robert Gates.

But then, fish stories are your best hope.

wonder how she feels about her parents telling her about the tooth fairy?

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- A source close to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi now confirms that Pelosi was told in February 2003 by her intelligence aide, Michael Sheehy, that waterboarding was actually used on CIA detainee Abu Zubaydah.

This appears to contradict Pelosi's account that she was never told waterboarding actually happened, only that the administration was considering using it.

Nancy never said a word. Probably the only thing that dumb broad ever kept her mouth shut about.

Actually, she did say a word. She lied. How unusual for a Democrat.

"Pelosi contended that Democrats did what they could to stop the use of waterboarding. The senior Democrat on the Intelligence Committee, who received the 2003 briefing on the practice, sent the CIA a formal letter of protest, she said.

But Pelosi defended her own lack of action on the issue, saying her focus at the time was on wresting congressional control from Republicans so her party could change course.

"No letter could change the policy. It was clear we had to change the leadership in Congress and in the White House. That was my job _ the Congress part," Pelosi said."

Reading. It's Fundamental.

Why tell the Bitch the truth?
~Dick

Time to scarifice Mrs. Pelosi for the greater good.

dems need to know, she is an albatross around your neck. Thrown her under the bus now and get on with it. The dems will still hold the speaker position, but you will be rid of a major liability.

while you're at it, throw harry reid under the bus too. both of those are just george bush enablers.

She said she was busy fighting the Iraq war? in 2002?

She said she was busy fighting the Iraq war? in 2002?

#10 | Posted by shirtsbyeric

Where did she say that?

"No letter could change the policy. It was clear we had to change the leadership in Congress and in the White House. That was my job _ the Congress part," Pelosi said."

"We couldn't do anything"...where have I heard that one before? Oh yeah, every Democrat response since '02 to saying one thing and then doing the exact opposite when the rubber hits the road.

I suspect that no more than 40 per cent of what we hear from politicians is the truth.

I also supect that no more then15 per cent is the whole truth.
Before someone gets their knickers in a bunch; Those numbers were just grabbed from thin air.
I have done no valid research on these facts.

"also suspect that no more than"

It's late in the day

Wowie look at all the furor over Pelooney.

In all the angst being displayed by the right, I miss the outrage at the officials in the administration that actually knew and/or ordered the torture.

I am also missing the outrage over the Republicans that knew of this.

Seems that your faux outrage is solely directed at an individual that has a D after her name.

Wowie look at all the furor over Pelooney.

In all the angst being displayed by the right, I miss the outrage at the officials in the administration that actually knew and/or ordered the torture.

I am also missing the outrage over the Republicans that knew of this.

Seems that your faux outrage is solely directed at an individual that has a D after her name.

My outrage is directed at who is lying and in power at the time.

Though when Obama brings forth an investigation into torture, restoring our good name in the world community and bring some of his much ballyhooed transparency to one of the darkest events in American history, I will continue to direct my outrage at the Bush administration. When do you think that investigation is going to start, because I want to watch every second of it on CSPAN? Oh that's right, he won't. Too bad...guess I'll just have to stick with pounding on Democrats.

"My outrage is directed at who is lying and in power at the time"

George W. "We Don't Torture" Bush?

I miss the outrage at the officials in the administration that actually knew and/or ordered the torture.

It's only torture if Nancy says she didn't know about it. Otherwise it's all a big college frat hazing.

But I wonder when the first righty will post Bush saying "we don't torture"? Seems either they are both liars, or neither.

Corky You gotta hand it to the Right Wingers. They are doing their level bests to wash the fucking filth off of their hands and blaming anyone and everyone but themselves. That Lady MacBeth Syndrome(Thanks Danforth) must be a royal bitch. Suck it up Bushites this is on You. Bwhahahahahahah

Larry

George W. "We Don't Torture" Bush?

I guess "darkest events in American history" wasn't clear enough...

So, she was too busy playing politics and campaigning for Democrats to do her job as a Congresswoman or represent her constituents.

She should resign now. She gives even Congress a bad name.

726 screw your stupid head on straight.

why would righties be outraged that repubs knew about it. For the most part, righties are for Enhanced interrogation. what is there to deny?
We are all in agreement. I am sure they knew about it, and I support that they supported it.

Pelosi OTOH, is showboating a crusade against the torturing Bush Admin, when SHE actually knew about it as well. YET SHE DENIES it ...she is an acccomplice to what she is calling a crime comitted by others.

You good now?

If my memory is correct, there were news stories about the use of waterboarding around the same time. And also news reports of it being used as an interrogation/torture tool. There was never any secret to the use of torture, especially in other countries with contractors or US agents present. I'm wondering if there are actually old news reports about waterboarding? One other point needs to be made. The "ticking bomb" scenario is somewhat overused and misunderstood. Any source of intelligence becomes less valuable and more tainted as soon as any supposed enemy or enemies is aware of the capture of that person. Obviously, the most important and valuable information is obtained soonest. If someone like Mr. Cheney was tortured and his puppet George McBush was aware of that torture, immediate planning would be made to negate the value of the information that could be obtained by torturing the pudgy chickenhawk. As time passes, waterboarding or torturing chickenhawk Cheney becomes purely a matter of operational intelligence rather than for any "ticking clock" intelligence that could be obtained. If chickenhawk Cheney was tortured or waterboarded 183 times, then his only value would be to confirm PAST planning and procedures. So the chickenhawk is only proving that he was fishing for confirmation of something and that something was most likely a connection between the Iraqi government and Al-Quada.

Hey lefties Bush is gone.

You're supposedly running things now.

Forget about Bush and worry about your own torture thirsty liars that are sitting as Speaker of the House.

HEY NANCY: ha ha ha lol lol ha ha ha ha lol lol,

That is all carry on...

#22 | Posted by Fredo_C at 2009-05-14 03:37 PM | Reply | Flag: Puling Hypocrite

Forget about Bush and worry about your own torture thirsty liars that are sitting as Speaker of the House.

#24 | Posted by Fredo_C at 2009-05-14 03:39 PM | Reply |

Lying about being aware of the bush leagues' crimes? Yeah, ok...makes her bad, but still makes you worse. I'll settle for her dismissal if you agree to prosecute the real criminals.

BTW, it's nice to see that you finally agree that it was torture committed by the bush league...funny how that works, eh?

If U are talking about my #22, that's cute , but just imagine i did not foget the quotes around "torturing bush admin "

i think you know what I meant smart ass.
I support waterboarding, drowning, burning, whatever for of any of these terrorist fucks. AND YOU DO, TOO
just admit it. that's half the battle.
After all, your head democrat congresswoman is all for it - now fall in line like a good confused sheep.

No surprise, the Bush Administration lied to everybody, so why not to Pelosi?

Let's not forget, the argument that Republicans trying to make, namely that some Democrats knew about the Bush Administrations crimes, and therefore these actions were somehow justified, is bogus.

The Bushies were in charge and bear full responsibility.

#22 | Posted by Fredo_C at 2009-05-14 03:37 PM | Reply | Flag: Puling Hypocrite

#26 | Posted by 726 at 2009-05-14 03:49 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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obviously meant to be insulting, and that's fine, I like it.
BUt please explain what is a "puling hypocrite" i want to feel the full force of the insult.
I mean, I dont even understand the typo - what were you going for. BTW - Are you a girl?

No surprise, the Bush Administration lied to everybody, so why not to Pelosi?

Let's not forget, the argument that Republicans trying to make, namely that some Democrats knew about the Bush Administrations crimes, and therefore these actions were somehow justified, is bogus.

The Bushies were in charge and bear full responsibility.

#29 | Posted by Mista Kurtz

FAIL

Even some Dems who were in the know then are saying she's lying.

"Pelosi had been told the methods were legal but that they had not yet been used."

"Yet" being the key word. If she cared about waterboarding, the time to make a big deal out of it was before it had "yet" to be used. Being told that it's legal and hasn't been used yet, then pretending to be vehemently against it after it's been used, shows her and any other Democrat who knew about waterboarding to be a phony.

Gotta keep the focus on Bush somehow. So long as they can keep reminding Americans "Bush was worse," it'll keep the sheep from realizing that this doesn't mean Obama is any good.

"If she cared about waterboarding, the time to make a big deal out of it was before it had "yet" to be used."

Exactly. Parsing now is just a mad attempt at deflecting responsibility.

"Gotta keep the focus on Bush somehow."

Nah, let's concentrate on Pelosi, who never raised an objection about the torture the Bush administration claims it never did. I guess that means the Bush administration didn't torture, but Pelosi is guilty of being an accessory to torture. Is that about right?

Lying about being aware of the bush leagues' crimes? Yeah, ok...makes her bad, but still makes you worse. I'll settle for her dismissal if you agree to prosecute the real criminals.

See that's the great thing about controlling the Legislative and Executive...if Democrats really consider it torture and something that is very important to get right, you don't need Fredo to prosecute anyone. Form the committees and prosecute people. I asked for as much when calling my reps to support HR 1207. I'll let you know when I hear something. I'm not holding my breath.

If U are talking about my #22, that's cute , but just imagine i did not foget the quotes around "torturing bush admin "

i think you know what I meant smart ass.
I support waterboarding, drowning, burning, whatever for of any of these terrorist fucks. AND YOU DO, TOO
just admit it. that's half the battle.
After all, your head democrat congresswoman is all for it - now fall in line like a good confused sheep.

#28 | Posted by Fredo_C at 2009-05-14 03:55 PM | Reply |

No quotes required: either you exonerate pelosi, or condemn bush. It's a catch 22 and you spun it yourself...smart ass.

I don't condone torture, period. And you're right, accepting it IS half the battle, but it's losing half the battle, not winning as you seem to think. At least you're straight with your complete agreement that torture is acceptable. So next time a few hundred GIs are captured for no good reason, kept indefinitely by a hostile government and tortured on a daily basis with no real intelligence objective, I expect you'll be fine with that...remember...you need to adopt that position in order to not contradict yourself.

I'd rather avoid that situation for your forces, but if that is what you want to expose them to, that's cool...I'll disagree with you but hey, freedom of thought and expression and all that crap.

Nah, let's concentrate on Pelosi, who never raised an objection about the torture the Bush administration claims it never did. I guess that means the Bush administration didn't torture, but Pelosi is guilty of being an accessory to torture. Is that about right?

#33 | Posted by Danforth

Danforth, remove whatever throbbing pole you have in your mouth for a sec.

I'll give you a moment.

OKAY.
ready?

Pelosi is a LIAR that is the problem. She wants to go on a WITCH hunt about enhanced interrogation, which her supposed accused ( Bush Admin) claims, corectly, is NOT a crime. YET she claims it is a CRIME and in the past she CONDONED IT - so this is obviously devious MISUSE OF HER CONGRESSIONAL OFFICE. THROW THE BOOK AT HER.

Thanks you may now go back to smoking that fatty.

I'd rather avoid that situation for your forces, but if that is what you want to expose them to, that's cool...I'll disagree with you but hey, freedom of thought and expression and all that crap.

#35 | Posted by panchovilla

Oh so you are not from the USA.
We'll wherever you are from , I think we should bomb your country.

Trust me, all of the DR posters here agree with me.

You might want to look up in the shy evey now and then.

This guy Obama is a loose cannon. Not even his own SHEEP know where the hell HE is coming from anymore.

And that Congresswoman, she likes to see people waterboarded. She wears that sexy leather cat suit and attends waterboardings. Crazy bitch.
So these are the psychotic fucks we have runnin the USA - I have a feeling your country will be bombed quite soon.

Whether anyone condones torture or not is irrelevant. Our country has laws and one very specific law concerning torture. The "War Crimes Act of 1996" specifically. Although Alberto Gonzalez attempted to reinterpret that law in a memo dated January 25, 2002 and a week later John Ashcroft stated in a memo that opting out of the Geneva treaty "would provide the highest assurance that no court would subsequently entertain charges that American military officers, intelligence officials, or law enforcement officials violated Geneva Convention rules relating to field conduct, detention conduct or interrogation of detainees." Ashcroft reminded Bush, "The War Crimes Act of 1996 makes violation of parts of the Geneva Convention a crime in the United States." It was this exclusion from the Geneva Convention that led to this whole mess. It must be assumed that Nancy Pelosi along with every other relevant representative or senator was well aware of the War Crimes Act of 1996 and the dismissal of the Geneva Convention. Sounds like that was the start of this whole mess. The entire government could not overturn the War Crimes Act of 1996, so they all decided to ignore it.

Pelosi is a LIAR that is the problem. She wants to go on a WITCH hunt about enhanced interrogation.

Nancy "Impeachment is off the table" Pelosi wants to go on a Witch Hunt?

Dude, you are so wrong on so many different levels here, it's scary.

Be Well.

cmon deth douche you can dish it out much better'n that.

Does she not want a "TRUTH SQUAD" or what have you?

did she not almost trip over herself stumbling away from the podium trying to run from reporters today?

did not every dem congressman slap their face into their palm today?

You a Pelosi fan Spud?

.....ain't she a little old for you?

Take a look at the Military Commissions Act of 2006. In this bill is a clause that retroactively protects members of the administration and any American who committed torture, whether military, CIA or contractor, from prosecution for any act against a prisoner since September 11, 2001. Among the more prominent senators who voted in favor of this retroactive immunity were John McCain, Joe Lieberman, Arlen Specter, Chuck Hagel and Frank Lautenberg. Barack Obama and Joe Biden both voted no.

Sounds like we're all arguing about something that's already been legislated. Of course, the people in DC don't want this covered in the news. It's the truth and it's been law for several years.

"What I have learned is that as the administration authorized harsh interrogation in April and May of 2002, well before the Justice Department had rendered any legal opinion its principal priority for intelligence was not aimed at pre-empting another terrorist attack on the U.S. but discovering a smoking gun linking Iraq and al-Qa'ida," former Powell chief of staff Lawrence Wilkerson wrote ..."

Yeppers, Nancy's Fault.

Yeppers, Nancy's Fault.

If Nancy is so free and clear as you suggest, why haven't investigations into torture by the Obama adminstration commenced?

If U are talking about my #22, that's cute , but just imagine i did not foget the quotes around "torturing bush admin "

i think you know what I meant smart ass.
I support waterboarding, drowning, burning, whatever for of any of these terrorist fucks. AND YOU DO, TOO
just admit it. that's half the battle.
After all, your head democrat congresswoman is all for it - now fall in line like a good confused sheep.

#28 | Posted by Fredo_C

Fredo C supports raping children.

Pelosi has pushed for investigations into the Bush admin use of torture, Obama having already outlawed it, but Repubs and some Dems, including Obama, haven't been willing to go along.

Do try and keep up.

Does this anti-American, useless, waste of air, blowhard actually believe we are so dumb?

How in the hell can anyone with half a brain defend the wench? It took til now for this explanation?

Some of you must have been on the O.J. jury.

Cork,

The broader point being - don't expect any kind of serious investigation into torture at the hands of the US government. It has ALWAYS been there and, for better or worse, always will be.

Hey Nancy!

When you find yourself in a hole, the first thing to do is STOP digging!

The lady must be insane (or worse).

Doesn't she know that audio and video files exist of all the briefings she attended? Come on?! We're talking about the CIA! Does she really believe the CIA wouldn't take measures to cover it's own ass?

The record is clear - Nancy Pelosi attended the briefings, knew all about the "torture", and even approved continued funding of the CIA programs.

If she keeps talking, we may all get to see and hear those recordings too.

Is our House Leader about to get thrown under the bus by the Obama administration?

hmmmm......

Pelosi has pushed for investigations into the Bush admin use of torture, Obama having already outlawed it, but Repubs and some Dems, including Obama, haven't been willing to go along.

Do try and keep up.

Ohh...a truth commission to investigate but not prosecute...well isn't that cute?

I'm trying to keep up, but one can only smoke weed and drop acid so fast...you know?

Pelosi denying knowledge (and tacit approval) of "torture" is like Obama sitting in a racist church for 20 years and denying he ever knew it was racist.

Simply hilarious to watch this all unfold!

She is a Lying WHORE!!!! You filthy WHORE! Your aid was briefed in FEB 2003 you knew about it for SIX YEARS!!!!!!!! You WHORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I feel better now...

maybe she was brainwashed

now the DEMS are saying the Briefers (who probably are only briefing what they arw told) in 2002 may have broke the law. So in order to cover their asses, they are willing in 2009 to say 'Hey, they may have broken the law in 2002 by telling us they have not engaged in waterboarding YET, when they already have"...Dems are the biggest weasels on the planet. So 7 years later it's a big deal? the sad part is most of them will be re-elected because they "bring it home to papa"

bwhahahahahaha OMFG This is Hilarious. G-d I haven't had this much fun since well Since I discovered what My(Redacted as per RCADES Direct order) was good for. Shiiiiiiiit this is too much like catching fish in a supermarket. Now we all know how the Republicans that supported Dubya really are "Not Responsible for anything in their own minds" But truth is that they are and they are doing their damnedest to Wash tyhat fucking stink off of their hands and it's driving them insane. Bwhahahahahahahah Suck it up Bushites You supported an Illegal War of Aggression You supported Illegal Tortures. Oh and You guys had the fucking gall to declare those that protested these actions when Dubya was perpetrating them UnAmerican UnPatriotic and what was tadowes saying Puling Hypocrite Scum sucking subverisive traitors. It's plain as day who the Real traitors to this wonderful Country are. It's the ones who supported such actions. Bwhahahaha how does THAT make You feel NOW ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh??

Larry

#54 LARY (Give me MO)MOHR:

YOU ARE THE ASSHOLE of ASSHOLES.

I couldn't figure out from your written dribble if you were really trying to defend this lying bitch.

You have to be the number one liberal ASSHOLE of all times!

#54 LARY (Give me MO)MOHR:

YOU ARE THE ASSHOLE of ASSHOLES.

I couldn't figure out from your written dribble if you were really trying to defend this lying bitch.

You have to be the number one liberal ASSHOLE of all times!

#55 | Posted by ozzieoswald at 2009-05-14 06:13 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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Then where is My Trophy?? If I am the Number 1 Liberal asshole I should have a trophy. Make on up and send it to Me. Thanks.

Larry

Paging Mr. Oozie.
Paging Mr. Oozie.
See the nurse in Cubicle B.

Oh and Oozie PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE do not make one up with that faux wood. If You're going to all that trouble just to make Me the Number 1 Liberal asshole trophy at least have the decency to make it out of REAL WOOD. Thanks.

larry

Waterboarding Pelosi to get the truth about this is too good for her I say we get one of ours here on the DR to Dirty Sanchez her when she has diarrhea until she tells the truth. Any takers? I'd volunteer myself but there ain't enough Viagra available to make it feasible.

rcade could make a bundle of dinero putting it on pay-per-view.

Bullshit. Get rid of her.

LARRY (Give me MO)MOHR:

Bend over, I have your trophy! SANOBAMA will present it as the former number one ASSHOLE.

DOCKDICKHEAD: Sorry you came in third.

Anytime I come in the top 10 on your list, Oozie, I have a nice, warm feeling that Gawd's in His Heaven and things must be pretty right with the world.

I do have to say, as much as I hate this deflection from the actual people who allowed this I like it because it may get loud enough to get pelosi out of office. What a great thing that would be.

We should do this with all the lazy ass democrats and get democrats in who might actually represent the people.

Bend over, I have your trophy! SANOBAMA will present it as the former number one ASSHOLE.

Posted by ozzieoswald at 2009-05-14 06:28 PM | Reply

Sorry Your QTip doesn't impress Me.

Larry

Calling the CIA "liars" in a public press meeting?
LOL...LOL...Oh the fireworks that are coming! It will be sheer pleasure watching the Queen "B" Princess get chopped to ribbons!

Anyone got any popcorn?

"So, she was too busy playing politics and campaigning for Democrats to do her job as a Congresswoman or represent her constituents."

That's the same way I read her response. Considering we didn't win back the congress until 2006, I don't see how she couldn't find the time somewhere in there to jot down a letter of protest. Hell have an aide craft it and then just sign her name.

This woman is a trainwreck.

Larry,
I left your trophy in the toilet down the hall.

What is so funny about you morons is you want soooo bad to make it all a Bushie issue like the world is so black and white. The CIA agent has stated that when presented with the waterboarding methodology of dealing with these fucks in Afghanistan Pelosi ASKED IF THEY COULD DO MORE.

You seem to forget (or maybe you were running around in diapers at the time who knows) the national mood and the fear we were all under, including Nancy. What disgusts me is how the Pelosi and her ilk now want to lay it all at the feet of the previous administration. Just close the book on history and move on.

I also think it was pretty messed up to call the CIA liars in front of the media like that. They're working every day to help keep us safe. I don't agree with some of their tactics, but that doesn't mean their goal isn't the safety of Americans. I just thought it was wrong to come out and say they lie all the time.

If I may join in the "you're a liar" "no YOU'RE a liar funfest" raging here for a moment, the big difference between Bush thugs and the Good Guys is that Bush thugs really have no idea WHEN they lie. The truth that will not go away is that whether it was water-boarding or ripping out fingernails, our care and feeding of captives will not look very good in the civilized world. My vote goes for letting humanity in on just how ugly we've been. My guess is that Islamics, more humane than Bushies, will NOT reciprocate in kind. herm

"They're working every day to help keep us safe"

No argument there.
And some of them are probably working mighty hard to cover their asses as well.
They torturers got their "Get Out Of Jail Free" cards.
But their reputations remain open to question.

So, she was too busy playing politics and campaigning for Democrats to do her job as a Congresswoman or represent her constituents

Been saying this for a long time, it isn't about representation it is about party.

Throw the lazy do nothings out!!!

"And some of them are probably working mighty hard to cover their asses as well."

I would bet that's true as well.

I think its time to just open up everything. Pictures, memos, orders whatever. Let's see what was done, let's see the results (if any) and have a real debate about it. Right now we're going off of cherry-picked memos and hearsay which can't give anyone the whole story.

In fact it is so good we need to put it in bold.

So, PELOSI was too busy playing politics and campaigning for Democrats to do her job as a Congresswoman or represent her constituents

"Flag: Puling Hypocrite"

I mean, I dont even understand the typo - what were you going for...

#30 | Posted by Fredo_C

Hey, there's this neato thing - a really large book, called a "dictionary" - you should learn to use one!

Hmmmm.....Spud is smoking heavy today, "Butch" Pelosi is doing her usual 'daze dance' going for the Guiness Book in lies...and the 'Prom Queen' has successfully turned another campaign promise around... wonderful world of leadership and their 'nose crack' followers...
these preemies are going to screw around and make 'Dubya the Doozing Bobblehead' look like a wise old man...!!!
The 'second hundred day circus' is in town..!!!

#23 | Posted by TinyElvis

THIS.

#38 | Posted by TinyElvis

...and THIS.

#41 | Posted by TinyElvis

...annnnnd THIS!

Nice werk, Tiny E.

Yer newsletter. Spud wishes to subscribe to it.

Be Well.

You a Pelosi fan Spud?

~Freakout

Apparently not as big a fan as you.

And that Congresswoman, she likes to see people waterboarded. She wears that sexy leather cat suit and attends waterboardings.

S'rly? You fantasize about Nancy Pelosi in a leather cat suit attending torture sessions?

So, in these fantasies of yours, are you the one being tortured or are you the one actually doing the torture?

Either way... eww, just eww!

The 'second hundred day circus' is in town..!!!

#76 | Posted by drsoul

Spud suddenly imagines a tiny car driving into the center ring of a circus. Next, the door fly open and then, dressed in floppy shoes and silly clothes, out comes Rush Limpaw, Michelle Malcontent, mAnn Coulter, Mike Savage-Weiner, Bill Krystol-Meth-head, Bill O'Lielly, Chickenchoker, Freakout C, AfkaBabbler, Snippy, Jak-Ass Mao, Nancypants, Doctor S. hOle et al.

Send in the clowns?

Don't bother. They're here.

Be Well.

Nah, let's concentrate on Pelosi, who never raised an objection about the . I guess that means the Bush administration didn't torture, but Pelosi is guilty of being an accessory to torture. Is that about right?

You have to love these convoluted arguments. Once you get a fingernail's depth past the surface, they crumble.

Let's expose the faulty premise here:

"torture the Bush administration claims it never did" -- Faulty premise: The Bush administration never claimed it didn't sanction waterboarding and other harsh interrogation methods. They fully admit they did. The only thing they deny is that those methods constitute torture.

Pelosi, however, DOES call it torture and she wants to blame the whole thing on the Bush administration and the Republicans. We also know by her own admission that she knew about the techniques and that they were at least being given serious consideration and may be used.

Even knowing that the Bush administration considered it perfectly ok, and that she supposedly considers it torture, she said NOTHING. Nada. Zip. Zilch.

Instead she lied to the American people at first to cover her own ass and said she didn't know a thing about it. When she was caught in that lie, she has back-pedaled and has continued to back-pedal ever since.

If she considered it torture, and she knew it was likely to be used (otherwise why bother stating it was legal), then why the hell wouldn't she do everything in her power to try to save these people from being tortured?

That suggests that either she doesn't think it is really torture, but it is politically expedient to call it that in order keep the public eye on Republicans. Or, she DOES think it was torture, but it was politically expedient to let it happen anyway without lifting a finger or a word of warning.

Whether she was told the methods WERE being used is irrelevant. She had no reason to think they wouldn't be used. Neither possibility looks good for Pelosi and the other Dems that were briefed and didn't say anything.

"The only thing they deny is that those methods constitute torture."

Since America thought it WAS torture during the second world war, what date, exactly, did it cease to be torture?

"(Pelosi) said NOTHING. Nada. Zip. Zilch"

And for that, I deem her culpable.

"That suggests that either she doesn't think it is really torture, but it is politically expedient to call it that in order keep the public eye on Republicans. Or, she DOES think it was torture, but it was politically expedient to let it happen anyway without lifting a finger or a word of warning."

I'll agree with that.

So which was it: was Pelosi complicit on the torture Bush okayed, or was it not torture in the first place? And again, if it wasn't torture, please provide the date it stopped being torture.

Since America thought it WAS torture during the second world war, what date, exactly, did it cease to be torture?

Irrelevant to the current argument. The premise that was given was that Republican's were trying to say that the actions never happened, yet were contradictorily stating that Pelosi sanctioned torture.

The premise was faulty. Whether it was torture or not, Pelosi is SAYING it was torture yet did nothing.

And for that, I deem her culpable.

Then you and I agree that she is a piece of shit even if we disagree on the rest.

Since America thought it WAS torture during the second world war

For that you have to look at what definition you are using... in this case the Geneva convention. During World War 2 we were fighting the regular standing (and uniformed) armies of other countries. Bush's rationale (whether you agree or not) is that the treaty that defines those actions as torture don't apply to this type of enemy since they a) aren't a standing army, b) don't wear uniforms, c) don't abide by the Geneva convention themselves.

or was it not torture in the first place?

Again, irrelevant. Pelosi is SAYING it is torture which is all that matters in regards to her actions.

Pelosi is for it and, when convenient, not for it.. right now, she is dancing to keep her position; we will never get the truth out of her..
she is too much like 'Dancing Dubya'...
hey 'spudzone'..you have me with the wrong cast of characters..when you are out of that fog and read closely, it will come to you...
pelosi let it happen and never planned or thought that it would ever come back to her...as long as she can play the psychological 'deference' game, she will hold on... she knew from the 'getgo' and probably, if the real truth was known, had no clue as to the circumstances of supporting it or not.. do not think that she is that smart... remember, you do not have to be smart to be a politico...

I can't believe she's picking a fight with the CIA. This will not end well for her.

If at this point, you liberals have not figured out that Nancy Pelosi is a LIAR....hit the play ground. Your not wise enough for Jr High.

I make that statement with apologies to any of those under Jr High. No insult was intended.

Your not wise enough for Jr High.

This shiat just writes itself some days.

Be Well.

This shiat just writes itself some days.

You are correct, Spud. Sometimes things are so obviously the truth that no extra thought needs to be put into writing them down. Glad to see that you agree with, ACLSUX.

Glad to see that you agree with, ACLSUX

Who's ACLSUX?

Yer looney toons, ya know that?

ACLUSUX is a certifiable madman.

Spud was just making fun of the inherent irony of someone making a spelling error while calling other people dumb.

Spud's a big fan of irony.

And the ACLU!

Bless their Constitutionally correct hearts!

Be Well.

"Be Well."

Why?

I'm utterly fucking incredible.

Yer looney toons, ya know that?

ACLUSUX is a certifiable madman.

Considering the source, I will take that with the entire product line of the Morton Salt company. A grain just wouldn't cover it.

Spud was just making fun of the inherent irony of someone making a spelling error while calling other people dumb.

Never mind the fact that Einstein was known to be a very poor speller. Many geniuses make spelling mistakes.

So the REAL irony, is someone that tries to make others out to be dumb, by pointing to something like a spelling error.

Spud's a big fan of irony.

Unfortunately Spud is also very bad at recognizing it.

Nancy reminds me of the opening theme of the 6 million dollar man show.
She's spinning outta controll...
She's breaking up...
Soon, the impact and rolling ball of flames...
Then someone will scoop her lifeless political career up, spend millions on her and try to revive her.

I wonder if Olbermann's wall-to-wall torture show will honor her as collateral damage in the crusade for the big prize?

"Many geniuses make spelling mistakes."

But probably not when calling someone "stoopid".

"Many geniuses make spelling mistakes."

Horse shit.

But probably not when calling someone "stoopid".

Who knows? The point being, spelling is no indication of intelligence. No matter how much Zat, with his peer reviewed pool would like you to believe otherwise.

"The point being, spelling is no indication of intelligence."

Agreed. But don't you believe, when calling out someone else's intelligence, it would be at a premium?

"spelling is no indication of intelligence"

That has to be the most ludicrously stupid statement I have seen in the last few minutes.

Now Larry is appealing to Asperger's.

Hey, dipshit. We'd be better off if Al had been run over by a truck at the age of 24.

That has to be the most ludicrously stupid statement I have seen in the last few minutes.

Sure, Zat. I guess you have already sent your daily pool temperature into the IPCC and are bored now?

Look at that... even Larry was able to find relevant information on Einstein. I guess according to you he was an idiot. As was Darwin.

I guess based on their poor spelling we should ignore Relativity and evolution. Glad to have your expert opinion on the subject.

Hey, dipshit. We'd be better off if Al had been run over by a truck at the age of 24.

And thus, Zat proves what a colossal moron he is.

"I guess based on their poor spelling we should ignore Relativity and evolution"

#101 | Posted by moomanfl at 2009-05-14 10:41 PM | Reply | Flag: What a magnificent example.

Forged any petitions lately, loser?

Forged any petitions lately, loser?

Nope. Forged any IPCC supporters recently, moron?

Nanci Pelosi......ah, isn't she that one who has the expression of a giddy 10 year old who just got back from a slumber party? At this point she is nothing more then a liability for the democrats and the country as a whole.

It's funny how you libs were so incensed about "Dubbau" in the office and now that your guys are in power and suddenly the Government is a three ring circus. I love the one today where President Obama suddenly realized we can't sustain running these massive deficits after he has increased it fourfold after only being in office 3 months.

The next 4 years is going to be one big continuous reality show. Truly pathetic.

How long before Fox NOISE, lets their patients (VIEWERS) know that former Senator Graham of Florida also said the the CIA lied to Congress in those briefings, FACTS, WHAT THE HELL is Fox afraid of????

Larry,

What Zat will never admit is that spelling ability isn't not a function of intelligence, but rather a function of which side of the brain is being used for various functions.

The Left brain focuses on the logic and details. It deals with the minutiae. This is where spelling ability would be.

The Right brain is the seat of intuition, artistic ability, and the bigger picture.

The true geniuses use the Left brain, but a good argument could be made that they used the Right brain more. It is the Right brain that Einstein used to form his thought experiments, supported by the Left brain's logic. The thought experiments were entirely dependent on the ability of the Right brain to move past the minutiae and see the bigger picture. They also depended on the creativity aspects to make abstract analogies.

It therefore seems only natural that spelling might suffer. It also explains why speech problems and dyslexia might be so prevalent in some of our most innovative thinkers. The part of the brain that controls our understanding of language structures is almost entirely a Left brain function.

former Senator Graham of Florida also said the the CIA

You mean the former Senator that was a long time RINO? The one that would probably be switching parties with Specter right now if he were still in office? Who cares what he says?

I want to enjoy this story, but it is more sad then enjoyable.

Nancy Pelosi is s disgusting human being, even if you took her lies at 'face value', she admits that partisan politics were and are more important to her then national security.

How people like Pelosi get to such high levels of power and influence is mind boggling, this is a woman devoid of any integrity or honor.

She somehow thinks that she can just lie and lie and lie and that there will be no consequences or repercussions for her lies.

Nancy Pelosi is a evil person, sociopathic and pathetic..... period....plain and simple.

"spelling ability isn't not a function of intelligence"

Posted by moomanfl at 2009-05-14 11:07 PM | Reply

Didn't do well in the 4th grade, did you?

Sorry, to answer my own question: No. You are speaking of Bob Graham (D), and not Lindsey Graham (RINO).

As for a former Democratic Senator siding with the Democrats position... DUH!!!! The ultimate answer is still the same though: Who cares what he says?

-Nancy Pelosi is a evil person, sociopathic and pathetic..... period....plain and simple.

It's always good to have expert opinion.

Didn't do well in the 4th grade, did you?

#111 | Posted by Zatoichi at 2009-05-14 11:17 PM

Considering that I actually have something to say other than picking on a spelling error... it seems I did better than you.

But I guess if a spelling error is all you have to work with, any port in a storm. Absent a logical argument you will pick on anything you can find.

How typical.

You mean the former Senator that was a long time RINO?

No need to throw another Republican under the bus in an attempt to purify your putrid party.

Bob Graham was Governor of Florida and a Senator. He's always been a Democrat.

The same Bob Graham that is listed on the CIA bullshit briefing memo. The same Bob Graham that had Iraq situation right from the beginning. The same Bob Graham that was on the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence. That Bob Graham.

You're right, he's not "Lindsey."

Oh - you're throwing Lindsey under the bus now? Good for you!

I want to enjoy this story

I do too.

So I am.

This repulsive goddamn leftist cunt is long overdue a public humiliation followed by an ignoble removal from power.

The facade is cracking (tm).

Next stop, this unqualified piece of shit heading the executive branch.

Oh look, Moo. Your support has arrived in the brilliant intellectual form of Mao. Enjoy yourselves.

These are my personal thoughts I am sharing here on this blog and as far as I know opinions aren't as of yet against the law. Now then, What a damn fool you made of yourself in public today Nancy. What the hell is wrong with you, you think you can just come on national television and call the CIA, who protected this Country and it's people for the past 7 plus years from the terrorists you and your pathetic Chicago thugs want to bring to this Country, a pack of liars in front of the entire nation? Are you that stupid you idiot! We don't have enough problems without you calling these good people liars and your turban head boss puts out memos on the sensitive information and techniques that were used to get valuable information from these pieces of human waste so now they're names are engraved on the blade that's going to try to take their heads off along with their families? The American people can see right through you, your boss, and this whole front of an administration, you idiots can't even lie good, your all useless and ya know what Nancy? Your all, you, Harry, Barack, Hillary, that piece of garbage Chief of staff, and that little piece of feces who thinks he can call Americans a bunch of cowards, every single one of you is going to end up in prison where you can all rot! Then we can and will get on with the business of this Country and it will be before you dingbats can destroy it!

Bob Graham was Governor of Florida and a Senator. He's always been a Democrat.

As you would know if you bothered to read further, I had already corrected myself on which Senator Graham was being referred to.

"What I have learned is that as the administration authorized harsh interrogation in April and May of 2002, well before the Justice Department had rendered any legal opinion its principal priority for intelligence was not aimed at pre-empting another terrorist attack on the U.S. but discovering a smoking gun linking Iraq and al-Qa'ida," former Powell chief of staff Lawrence Wilkerson wrote ..."

Politically motivated torture, no less. Torture to help rationalize a preemptive war (with "product roll-out!).

Ya'll must be so proud.

Your support has arrived in the brilliant intellectual form of Mao.

Interesting that you think you have made some sort of point with this.

I have never, nor will I ever, use the "C" word to refer to anyone. In my opinion it cheapens the person that uses it more than it points out the flaws of the person it is used against.

But please, continue on with your straw man arguments. Don't let logic get in your way.

I enjoy reading the anger and bile of rightwingers. Please continue. The vexation of the powerless. And I have at least another seven years of amusement in front of me!

What a damn fool you made of yourself in public today Nancy.

Good call.

That was going to be the subject of my next post.

Jesus H. Christ...

Did you see that shit?

How is it this person acheived the level of power she did?

What a despicable, shell of a human being.

Lying-ass cunt.

BTW... Lindsey Graham is a RINO, and that is separate from this discussion. I thought so long before this, and I will continue to think so after wards.

As for Republican's in general, they are not on my favorites list and haven't been for a while. That doesn't mean I will blame everything on them, but it certainly means I don't think they are blameless.

I have a novel concept for you... Why don't you let ME tell YOU what my positions on subjects are rather than you just assuming. Assuming just makes an ass out of you and some guy named Ming.

"This repulsive goddamn leftist cunt is long "

"Lying-ass cunt."

Bla bla bla. Sounds like some rtard has his panties on too tight.

And I have at least another seven years of amusement in front of me!

Possibly, but you assume way too much considering we have another Presidential election in 3 1/2 years.

Won't you look like the fool for having said that if the Dems wind up crashing due a major shit storm in the intervening period?

And I have at least another seven years of amusement in front of me!

No you don't.

You've got 3 1/2.

And if today is any indicator, they're not going to be all that amusing.

But that's the breaks when you have an unqualified, punk-ass piece of Marxist shit who woke up one day and found himself in the White House---and in charge of a country he inherently despises.

There's far too many real people invested in the American Dream to let this fucking scum ruin it.

Mao, what is equally sickening, are the sycophants that still want to carry Nancy's spoiled and fetid water.

Pelosi knew about the enhanced interrogations and even asked if they were 'doing enough' to combat the terrorists, with each of her 5 different stories the crap gets deeper and deeper and she just keeps shitting away.

Pelosi's sick performance today was one of the worst in American political history, it showed her to be a retched and pathetic hag whose only goal in her political life is holding on to the power she somehow lied herself into.

The most laughable and tragic part of the most recent lie, is saying that her #1 staffer attended a meeting in 2003 where the CIA explicitly briefed him on the water boarding of Abu Zubaydah and what information they gleaned from it.

And sick Nancy has the balls to say that she was only informed of the 'meeting taking place' and that she was told 'nothing about the content of the meeting'. You would think that not even the most warped san francisco sycophant could possibly buy that trash, but as this thread shows, some twisted and mentally ill hacks are.

How she thought she could get away with this is amazing beyond belief, it shows a person so mentally ill and intoxicated with her own feelings of self importance, that reality has left her permanently.

I have a novel concept for you... Why don't you let ME tell YOU what my positions on subjects are rather than you just assuming. Assuming just makes an ass out of you and some guy named Ming.

You never shut up. I'm pretty clear on your "position" is on this subject. This ain't my first rodeo with you.

As you would know if you bothered to read further, I had already corrected myself on which Senator Graham was being referred to.

If you read my post, you know I read your response. 5 minutes difference, you figure it out. It was a heck of a lot more relevant than your response.

Interesting that you think you have made some sort of point with this.

I have, and I know you don't get it. I didn't expect you would.

But please, continue on with your straw man arguments. Don't let logic get in your way.

A straw man appeal when you just ripped the wrong Graham, then dissed the other one based on? Oh, he's a Democrat.

My comment wasn't a straw man. Until Jersey showed up (another shining example of the right) you didn't have much support for your position. It's not my fault the right is full of hate, uses derogatory terms, can't form an argument worth a damn, and even repeats comments like "turban headed" in their response.

Are those the kinds of Republicans you respect, as opposed to that RINO Lindsey?

BTW, you are hilarious.

and in charge of a country he inherently despises.

Stop projecting.

=his panties on too tight.

South Texas Saturday Nite

"What'd you think all those boosts and leather was about?"

And on that video, Corky, I'm retiring for the evening! Funny stuff!

And think of the three murderers that these left wing dolts are crying their big crocodile tears over.

Savage terrorists that have killed thousands of Americans and 1000's more all over the world.

These are the three criminal serial killers,.... killers who murdered innocent Americans and would gladly murder 1000's more if given the chance, that is who these people are gnashing their left wing teeth over.

That is why I have nothing but sneering disgust and contempt for them.

-sneering disgust and contempt

Take another look at your baby pictures, Stumpy. You were born with that look.

boosts = boots, lol

works either way, actually

Shove a fuckin hose up your nose and water board yourself asshole!

You never shut up.

Funny, I was thinking the same about you.

I'm pretty clear on your "position" is on this subject.

Apparently not since you still want to assign positions to me that I don't subscribe to. But hey! Think what you want and don't let reality intrude. Why change now?

If you read my post, you know I read your response.

And yet you still talk about me throwing a Republican under the bus on this despite my correction.

I have, and I know you don't get it.

Your point is in your mind. Ironically it is also like your mind... about as sharp and penetrating as a bowling ball.

A straw man appeal when you just ripped the wrong Graham, then dissed the other one based on? Oh, he's a Democrat.

Again, I corrected myself on which Graham it was before you responded. As for the Democrat, it would be no surprise that he takes the party's obviously and politically motivated line.

My comment wasn't a straw man.

Yes it was. I don't depend on validation of my ideas from other people. My thinking doesn't depend on them.

Maybe you operate as a sheeple that can't think for themselves, but I am not that way. I don't care if anyone else "supports" my position or not.

BTW... there have been plenty of people saying the same thing as me anyway. So even there you are wrong. Hell, even some of the more honest lefties think Pelosi is a politically opportunistic liar.

It's not my fault the right is full of hate, uses derogatory terms,

Do you REALLY need someone to point out all the hate and derogatory terms that come from the Left? Are you really so disingenuous to suggest it is only the Right that engages in this kind of behavior?

can't form an argument worth a damn

It is no surprise to me that a person such as yourself, that make an argument based on anything but straw men wouldn't recognize a VALID argument.

and even repeats comments like "turban headed" in their response.

Have you EVER seen such a comment come from me? No? Move along then. That straw man is dismantled.

BTW, you are hilarious.

I may be hilarious, but you are pathetic; and I can get serious. You however will always be pathetic.

Who the fuck is even talking to you moron!

Bloody Hands:Nancy Pelosi has Long Supported Israeli Torturers!!!

Its difficult to deconstruct Nancy Pelosi! That she's a Total Hypocrite about "Sanctioning & Approving Torture" is evidenced by her all out "Support" of the State of Israel,which is home to the world's worst,most vicious (and of course most gutless) torturers! In fact "Torture & Murder" is part and parcel of Israel's Official "Mission Statement"!
So Israel's long and ignominious history of Torture and Genocide against the indigenous Palestinians is what's "glaringly" on the hands of Nancy Pelosi and every other willing "puppet" and financier of Israel - that is of course Blood!

Jersey,

You are posting to a PUBLIC forum. I suggest that if you wish to have conversations with yourself, you unhook your modem now.

If you are just wishing to have a conversation with one person without intrusion, I would suggest a PRIVATE venue... such as email or IM.

Otherwise, just accept that if you post to a PUBLIC forum, you might get comments from people you weren't addressing directly.

Sincerely,

--Reality

#139 | Posted by AntiCadillac at 2009-05-15 12:45 AM

On a side note:

Any word on how much longer you have to undergo your current course of rabies shots, AntiCadillac? You might want to tell them to up the dose as I fear it isn't working. It is evident you are still foaming at the mouth.

Her lips were moving.

Rabies Shots eh MOOer? What vaccine would you suggest for the Israeli Military who "Murdered" all those "Defenseless" Palestinian men,women and children in Gaza???

Why the quotation marks around the words "Murdered" and "Defenseless"? Don't believe your own hype?

i think you know what I meant smart ass.
I support waterboarding, drowning, burning, whatever for of any of these terrorist fucks. AND YOU DO, TOO
just admit it. that's half the battle.
After all, your head democrat congresswoman is all for it - now fall in line like a good confused sheep.

#28 | Posted by Fredo_C

Fredo C supports raping children.

#44 | Posted by truthhurts

Hey. Nice. You wanna explain what I said to make you post that I support the rape of children?
Got the balls? Or do you just throw inflamatory bombs about child rape and then run away and hide.

Send in the clowns?

Don't bother. They're here.

#78 | Posted by dethspud

Your salutory messages upoon arrival at the DR are particularly unguarded today.

Also , the Pelosi thing? Yeah I have no problem admitting it - Pelosi in a leather catsuit. Yup.

I'd hit it.

What started this between Moo and myself: Celisary, post #107:

former Senator Graham of Florida also said the the CIA lied to Congress in those briefings,

Yeah, funny thing about that. When you had the wrong Graham and were thinking it was Lindsey (R) South Carolina, you quickly said:

You mean the former Senator that was a long time RINO? The one that would probably be switching parties with Specter right now if he were still in office? Who cares what he says? - Moo, post #109

But you, in your "mea culpa" said:

Sorry, to answer my own question: No. You are speaking of Bob Graham (D), and not Lindsey Graham (RINO). -Moo, post #112

I said:
You're right, he's not "Lindsey."
Oh - you're throwing Lindsey under the bus now? Good for you! -Yav, post #115

So you mistakenly throw the wrong Graham under the bus, your own Graham, and now you're saying:

And yet you still talk about me throwing a Republican under the bus on this despite my correction. - Moo, post #137

Yeah, the wheel tracks were still fresh. You lecture me on making an argument, using logic?

It is no surprise to me that a person such as yourself, that make an argument based on anything but straw men wouldn't recognize a VALID argument. - Moo, post #137

Such as myself? A VALID argument? Count up all your straw men in your #137.

You fail.

Better luck next time.

#75 | Posted by Zarathustra

still need an answer on this issue, Zara , please:

"Ah. I see what you did there. I implied upthread you're too dense to get some jokes, and now I'm the imbecile: the much-vaunted "NO U!" response!"

.....statement put together with the finest crafstmanship by Zara.

I still want to know if you're statement above, which is embarassingly rife with prepubescent webspeak from the /b chan/ face book ( whatever the hell it's called )...
is because you are an adolescent, or a socially retarded geek.

which is it?

Is it 17 years old suburban no future house wigger , or is it 240 lb, bowl haircut same underwear for a week warcraft champ?

BECAUSE YOU KNOW IT'S ONE OF THOSE ISN'T IT....right Zara??

So you mistakenly throw the wrong Graham under the bus, your own Graham

Not my own Graham... or did you miss the part where I said I have considered him a RINO long before this thread? Yes, keep spinning your wheels.

Yes, I admit that I addressed the wrong Graham in my original response, however that doesn't negate what I already thought of the other Graham. I have no problem throwing Lindsey Graham under the bus, but in the case it was the wrong bus.

How many posts will you make about this before you realize this? Up to three since then, and counting.

Count up all your straw men in your #137.

Better yet, try telling me which ones are straw men.

post 147 , post 149

what'd you guys do?

take a nap and then wake up this morning and say," FIGHT! " ??

Nah... maybe he did. I haven't been to bed yet.

Just got back from taking the kids to school.

take a nap and then wake up this morning and say," FIGHT! " ??

Ha! that's pretty good.

I did have a good night's sleep and woke up in a good mood. I'm still in a good mood. Coffee's fresh, and I just finished a wonderful breakfast.

On the Moo/Yav exchange (on this subtopic) I've said all I have to say. We both made our points, and neither one of us can judge who was successful. That's up to whoever is masochistic enough to wade through it all!

We both made our points, and neither one of us can judge who was successful.

I agree wholeheartedly, Yav.

As Captain Hook says: Good form!

But Pelosi defended her own lack of action on the issue, saying her focus at the time was on wresting congressional control from Republicans so her party could change course.

in other words she was more interested in beatin the reps then people bein abused

as i have said before we are bein led by people who are more interested in politics then policy-

Pelosi is another great example of the fine people serving us in the democratic party! you fuckers that voted for all these lib dems get what you deserve. The downslide of the country has only just begun, and you people think it's over and we are bouncing back...

I enjoy reading the anger and bile of rightwingers. Please continue. The vexation of the powerless. And I have at least another seven years of amusement in front of me!

#122 | Posted by moder8

Glad you find the 3rd most powerful person in this country making a complete ass of herself amusing. Typical Lib.

And I have at least another seven years of amusement in front of me!

there is a hugely disproportionate amount of egg on the face of the Dems since Jan......much greater than any other administration/congress has ever amassed in 4 months. And the Dem Congress led by Pelosi is ratcheting up the rate of disatisfaction every day.

If you made a chart of each of the past 20 Administrations' first four months, hell INCLUDING Carter, the curve for the rate at which the supporters became dissapointed and disillusioned is so much higher for Obama than any of the others.

You can point to a 60% approval rating, but that is quite low compared to most other admins in history, lower than bush in the first 4 months - and the thing that is really telling is , obama cannot break above that 60% and in fact he has downturned since inauguration.

How you can sit there on your fat pimply ass with a shit eating grin thinking you have "seven" more years as opposed to 3 1/2 is astounding. You are like the ONLY libtard still talking about expectations of 8 years for this clown.

"If you made a chart of each of the past 20 Administrations' first four months, hell INCLUDING Carter, the curve for the rate at which the supporters became dissapointed and disillusioned is so much higher for Obama than any of the others."

Why don't you go ahead and back that up with facts.

"You can point to a 60% approval rating, but that is quite low compared to most other admins in history, lower than bush in the first 4 months - and the thing that is really telling is , obama cannot break above that 60% and in fact he has downturned since inauguration."

Of course that depends on which poll you choose to use.

Of course that depends on which poll you choose to use.

#158 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue

HI, Hon.

I think you should use my poll.

You would really like my poll.

Oh here's the link, it is the RCP average of ALL MAJOR POLLS - today it is averaging out to 61 vs 31.5 - which is the cieling he connot break , it is comparativley low to most other POTUS's
and shows that he is in basic steady decline since Jan.

"and shows that he is in basic steady decline since Jan."

A "steady decline"? Looks to me like he started at about 63, peaked at 65, bottomed out at 60, and is now at 61.

W. was also right around 60-61, Clinton was around 55, HW was about 57, Reagan was about 67, and Carter about 61.

(By the way, I took those from Karl Rove's website)

May 14, 2009 ... "I want to read a statement, because I need to take the time out to do this," she ... "My statement is clear, and let me read it again. ... "I'm sorry, I have to find the page,"

#160 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue

please make an illustration of an exact comparison over the 4 months for each pres you mentioned.

where did each start , where did they go throughout the 4 months.

BTW I am glad you finally agree, after your smart ass "depends on which poll you use" comment, that Obama is at 61 %

I told you my poll was good.

You love my poll.

My poll is more expansive than the other polls.

You're driving him crazy, fredo...

RINO may be an appropriate name for a new 3rd Party, considering how many of them there are.

My poll is more expansive than the other polls.

#162 | Posted by Fredo_C

LOL! I always use the RCP average, you idiot.

My poll is more expansive than the other polls.

#162 | Posted by Fredo_C

LOL! I always use the RCP average, you idiot.

#165 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue

hmmmmm.....you have used my poll on a number of occasions?
Funny, I don't seem to remember your use of my poll.
what happened- did I have to get piss drunk?
are you just that boring?

Believe you'd have to spit your poll out before anyone else could use it.

"hmmmmm.....you have used my poll on a number of occasions?
Funny, I don't seem to remember your use of my poll."

That's the best ya got when your little tirade was shown to be incorrect?

Try again.

At a tense press conference, Ms. Pelosi said for the first time that a staff member alerted her in February 2003 that top lawmakers on the House Intelligence Committee had been briefed on the use of tough interrogation methods on terror suspects.

But she said the fact that she did not speak out at the time due to secrecy rules did not make her complicit in any abuse of detainees. She accused the C.I.A. and Bush administration of lying to Congress about what was actually transpiring with the detainees.

"I am saying that the C.I.A. was misleading the Congress and at the same time the administration was misleading the Congress on weapons of mass destruction," Ms. Pelosi said.

Ms. Pelosi said she was told at that briefing that waterboarding, one of the most controversial of the harsh techniques employed, was not being used.

The C.I.A., reacting to Ms. Pelosi's remarks, said that agency records declassified last week and cited by congressional Republicans show that Ms. Pelosi had taken part in a September 2002 briefing on interrogation techniques was "true to the language in the Agency's records."

An agency spokesman, George Little, added that the C.I.A. director, Leon E. Panetta, had pointed out in a recent letter to Congress that the information "is drawn from the past files of the C.I.A." and represented contemporaneous memoranda "and notes that summarized the best recollections of those individuals."

So we have Goss and now Obama's man Panetta confirming Pelosi is full of shit? Funny Harmon and Rockefeller have dummied up. She must be desperate and is trying to bring back the Bush lied mantra. Why else would she embarass herself and ranking members of her own party. Maybe change is a coming.

House Democrats were none too amused when John Boehner went after Nancy Pelosi for saying the CIA misled her during a 2002 briefing on enhanced interrogations.

Boehner defended the agency's record and said it was "hard" for him to imagine "anyone in our intelligence area would ever mislead a member of Congress."

No sooner had the words come out of the Republican leader's mouth than Democratic staffers were passing around Boehner quotes in which Boehner you guessed it questioned the effectiveness of U.S. intel agencies.

On Dec. 9, 2007, CNN's Wolf Blitzer asked Boehner: "Are you suggesting, as I think you are, that you don't necessarily have confidence in this new NIE [National Intelligence Estimate on Iraq]?"

Boehner: "Either I don't have confidence in what they told me several months ago or I don't have confidence in what they're telling me today."

- POLITICO.com

That's the best ya got when your little tirade was shown to be incorrect?

Try again.

#169 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue

how is my statement incorrect?

here it is again.

( and, sorry you are slow on picking up on double entendre, BTW)

the statement:
"You can point to a 60% approval rating, but that is quite low compared to most other admins in history, lower than bush in the first 4 months - and the thing that is really telling is , obama cannot break above that 60% and in fact he has downturned since inauguration."

Boehner: "Either I don't have confidence in what they told me several months ago or I don't have confidence in what they're telling me today."

- POLITICO.com

#171 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue

Yes when referring to a particular subject matter - Boehneer disagreed with the CIA in the past. big deal.

BTW this is all fluff, about Boehner. Doesn;t change the fact that your homegirl Pelosi is a creepy lowlife liar. Accept it and move on

Let's face facts. The Republicans are so desperate to hang this on a Democrat they can't see straight. This Pelosi thing is just a deflection on who is REALLY responsible. The Right Wingers are wailing and gnashing their collective teeths on the inside. It's tearing them up.

Larry

Bob Graham, infamous for his meticulous Diary, just sunk the CIA in an interview this morning. He was briefed 3 weeks after Pelosi and his experience was the same.

I always win.

#172 | Posted by Fredo_C

You're VERY funny today!

"You can point to a 60% approval rating, but that is quite low compared to most other admins in history, lower than bush in the first 4 months"

And, as Karl and I showed you, his approval rating is NOT low compared to most other administrations in history - and its almost exactly the same as W's was at this point.

And your "down turn" has pretty much been within the margin of error the entire time.

Now, if you wanted to make the case that his DISAPPROVAL numbers have risen significantly, you might have a point.

I was just surprised Boehner sobered up long enough to make a statement. He's looking more an more like WC Fields' proboscis every day.

"Always carry a flagon of whiskey in case of snakebite... and furthermore always carry a small snake."

Yes when referring to a particular subject matter - Boehneer disagreed with the CIA in the past. big deal.

#173 | Posted by Fredo_C

Yes Frito - we know its only a big deal if a Democrat does it.

Second verse, same as the first.

Why Doesn't Nancy just fess up and say, "Yea I knew about it and I approved it, because it was what I felt needed to be done at the time to protect the country after it was attacked in 2001".

Oh wait, that would be an "inconvenient truth" to the left wing of the party.

Let's have the truth commission and lets prosecute ALL lawmakers who tacitly or directly supported "enhanced interrogation techniques".

Never-mind that intel gathered during these sessions MAY have kept the county safe from another attack.

Hey, I am up for a good Congressional witch hunt, let's get these lying bastards on both sides of the aisle.......

Let's face facts. The Republicans are so desperate to hang this on a Democrat they can't see straight. This Pelosi thing is just a deflection on who is REALLY responsible. The Right Wingers are wailing and gnashing their collective teeths on the inside. It's tearing them up.

I see. It is the republicans who convinced Pelosi to tell reporters the CIA lied to her? That way they can deflect to who is really responsible? Interesting concept. But like most of the other posts on this thread by those on the left, not surprising they ignore facts, find a way to blame repubs, accept the lie and pretend they support her.

Crispee, can you think of one good reason that the CIA would have to lie to a US official? Especially the speaker of the house. There is no good reason for it. She's lying and the republicans are not trying to divert any attention. They are trying to show that everyone knew what was going on so there should be no reason at all for calls of war crimes against Bush and Cheney and others. They are saying that no crime was committed.

Pelosi is just trying to save her ass from letting be known that she approved of water boarding when she has been so vocally against it since Bush left.

Second verse, same as the first.

#178 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue

Third verse; same as the first.
Just last night
I was reminded of
just how bad
it had gotten and
just how sick
I had become.

But like most of the other posts on this thread by those on the left, not surprising they ignore facts, find a way to blame repubs, accept the lie and pretend they support her.

Posted by crispee_oc

I don't think most are really supporting her. But there are a number of conflicting stories out there that make this less than an open & shut situation.

I'm in favor of a full investigation into the whole torture matter and everyone who was in any way associated with it. Let the chips fall where they may, regardless of party affiliation.

#181 | Posted by everlong

the whacko leftists theory here is that evil Cheney and Rove had some kind of coercive power over the CIA ....... skull and bones, y'know.....
HW was a big CIA guy.

oooooooh shivers.

Uh oh - Sanan - another poll has just been released.

You busy?

A number of posters often labeled "left" here have made it clear for days that they want this whole thing---repeat, whole thing---looked into. If Pelosi's lying, she should be dumped from her position.

Uh oh - Sanan - another poll has just been released.

Posted by Fredo_C

Standing outside of the elementary school again, are you?

Doc you are a card carrying member of the ACLU, or was it the NAACP, or NAMBLA or what have yew.

A number of posters often labeled "left" here have made it clear for days that they want this whole thing---repeat, whole thing---looked into. If Pelosi's lying, she should be dumped from her position.

#186 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis

Uhm, that statement would fall under the category of "an inconvenient truth" for our righty amigos here, Doc.

#182 | Posted by Fredo_C

Ah... The Femms

#189 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue

Indubitably

#188 | Posted by Fredo_C

Used to belong to the ACLU and Americans United for the Separation of Church and State, as well as Amnesty International. I also used to be a Republican. But on the NAMBLA thing, I honestly don't have a clue. Perhaps one of your friends, an attentive uncle, or a giving scoutmaster or minister can help you out.

the whacko leftists theory here is that evil Cheney and Rove had some kind of coercive power over the CIA ....... skull and bones, y'know.....
HW was a big CIA guy.

oooooooh shivers.

Posted by Fredo_C at 2009-05-15 11:30 AM | Reply

#193 | Posted by LarryMohr

Yes Larold, and Obama thanks the Lord for this development as it is helping him surpress the Gitmo photos -

but what does all of that hogwash have to do with the premise that the Executive convinced the CIA to lie?

You're pasted drivel has to do with classifying intelligence.

is this the power that made the CIA lie to Pelosi?

maybe you have something here.

I no wait it's just my viciously powerful meds kicking in

If Pelosi's lying, she should be dumped from her position.

If she is lying? How much more proof does one need? Even the OJ jurors would convict her. Both sides of the political aisle were informed and given carte blanche. Even the hardcore, blame the rightwing cast can't believe a word she says on this subject.

I think this is the most despicable, dishonest and vicious political effort I've seen in my lifetime."
"She is a trivial politician, viciously using partisanship for the narrowist of purposes, and she dishonors the Congress by her behavior."
"Speaker Pelosi's the big loser, because she either comes across as incompetent, or dishonest. Those are the only two defenses," Gingrich said. "The fact is she either didn't do her job, or she did do her job and she's now afraid to tell the truth."

Thank you knewt... "And now back to the ancore desk.... What's the word on the street jim:?

Resign Now you bloated WHORE!

No conservative really wants Pelosi to resign. She's so ineffective, so laughably incompetent, that it's impossible to imagine anyone doing her job worse.

She's like the Joe Biden of Congress. And with this economy and this administration, us right-wingers need whatever comedy relief we can get.

Resign Now you bloated WHORE!

#196 | Posted by bashthis

Maybe, but I am still afraid that I have to admit I would hit that.

No conservative really wants Pelosi to resign. She's so ineffective, so laughably incompetent, that it's impossible to imagine anyone doing her job worse.

#197 | Posted by rightisright

To quote Gene Wilder in the final scene of "Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory".....

WRONG Sir! WRONG!

Pelosi is dangerous because she is such a blatant asshole that she provides cover for the misdoings of the rest of the Dems.
You have now all of the Dems in lockstep behind her every outlandish postion and whim because they have anonymity to pull their bullshit while she takes the flack. Righties should want her to be gone - replaced by someone more moderate.

She's like the Joe Biden of Congress.

I can't believe I am hoping Obama sticks around for a long time. Imagine either Biden or Pelosi running the Country if God forbid something happened.

I'm sure Obama loves this.

His most visible leader in congress is someone he will probably have to consider asking to step down.

Every agency in govt is now going to be extremely careful when dealing with her.

Obviously if she can't be trusted then there is a real problem here.

Righties should want her to be gone - replaced by someone more moderate.

#199 | Posted by Fredo_C
* * * *

Be careful what you ask for. What "moderate" do you have in mind?

Face it. If Pelosi is forced to step down, it will only be to make room for someone more militantly liberal. She's wounded, she's ineffective, her name is on every single bailout package to Wall Street, she sat in on high-level meetings where torture methods were discussed and did nothing and, thus, can DO nothing now. What's not to like about any of that?

Funny how she wants us to believe that the CIA lied to her, but told the truth to the other members of Congress. Why would she be the only one? She might have some creditability left if she had not changed her story 6 times already. She claimed and pushed for anyone involved in the torture memos/approval should be charged criminally. Now that she has been caught signing off on it, she wants to say everything and anything to remove blame from herself. She is a victim of CIA lies, Bush did it, I knew but didn't understand, I didn't know, was not told: PURE CRAP! Only an independent investigation has any chance to find the truth.

SURELY you guys saw the press conference she had yesterday..
after teaching for a few years and even those of you with children...you can tell when some people are lying
and she had it written all over her BOTOX face.

AND THATS even not counting the STANDARD DEMOCRAT LYING WITH THAT FINGER WAGGING IN our faces.

I expected ANY MIN to hear....I DID not have sex with that woman,....

Poor woman.

getting lied to by the CIA.

getting lied to by WH about WMDs.

If she is lying about THIS information then what else is she lying about?

I watched Pelosi's news conference where she provided ample evidence that she is a stammering light weight liar. Nice choice, Demos', on your selection of the person that is third in line to the Presidency.

"House Speaker Nancy Pelosi accused the CIA and Bush administration of misleading her about waterboarding detainees."

Poor Nancy...she was "misled" by the gang that couldn't shoot straight. I thought she was supposed to be the world's second-smartest woman.

I blame the libtards in her district for voting this bitch in , they should have voted her out long ago, just one of many libtartds in congress that needs to go.

and here is the press conference if you want to call it that

I call it a 'liar twisting in the wind" link

you know an OLD poster told me one time that if you REALLY want people to open and read a link that you should probably ACTUALLY POST THE LINK>.

sorry here it is

Man, even CIA people are now saying that they lied to Congress.

Heads are going to roll.

This is going to bust open real soon.

I can't believe it. It finally looks like even the liberal media is finally turning against Pelosi. If this Bay Area botox faced hippie bitch thinks she can outsmart the Central Intelligence Agency especially when they have proof she has lied repeatedly on knowing about waterboarding, she is dumber than even I had initially thought.

I am beginning to think that she may actually be forced to resign. It is making the whole Democrat controlled Congress look like horrible liars. Notice how you don't have a bunch of Dems coming out in support of her. The party is almost over for Pelosi.

uta
I said this the other day
in one day they had a story on cnn about it and even stewart weighed in and NOT in her favor..a sure sign that what WE have been saying for sometime is true..

she needs to go.
YOU KNOW just like LOTT when he made a comment nowhere near these
or IMUS who said something at 6 AM and then profusly appologized or any of the other right wingers who didnt think about the PC POLICE before opening thier mouths...

Ex-CIA Official: CIA Lied to Congress About Interrogations

And the dots keep getting connected.

And there are NO dots connecting this is any other way.

Not one.

BS Many. Check the news. She now acknowledges knowing about the techniques, and that she was aware that they were being used.

Panetta, BO's solid in the CIA, backs the CIA. Pelosi is the one misleading and lying. Of course, this should really matter all that much. The waterboarding yielded results, and it's questionable as to whether it's torture.

However, if the Dems want to continue this backward looking stupidity of blaming Bush and repubs for everything, they are going to have to gird their loins.

Panetta to CIA employees: We told Pelosi the truth

CIA Director Leon Panetta just sent a stern message to his employees defending the agency against Speaker Nancy Pelosi's criticisms.

His message: We didn't mislead Congress; stay focused on your job.

Panetta's note was sent to reporters via the CIA press office. Here's the key graph:

"Let me be clear: It is not our policy or practice to mislead Congress. That is against our laws and our values. As the Agency indicated previously in response to Congressional inquiries, our contemporaneous records from September 2002 indicate that CIA officers briefed truthfully on the interrogation of Abu Zubaydah, describing "the enhanced techniques that had been employed." Ultimately, it is up to Congress to evaluate all the evidence and reach its own conclusions about what happened."

Sure they did you Cum Burping Whore!

Don't forget that this is the exact same time that the CIA was trying to sell the Yellow Cake story to America.

Of course the CIA is lying.

Don't forget that this is the exact same time that the CIA was trying to sell the Yellow Cake story to America.
Of course the CIA is lying

dude, Pelosi admitted knowing about the techniques and that they were being used. Her own fucking aide told her. Can't you get it through your pea brain that she knew, and is lying in the throws of her own political death?

OUT WITH THIS LYING LIBERAL BITCH!

Aren't you liberals proud of this lying bitch?

Yeah! Oozie's here. You're in for it now Pelosi!

Pelosi admitted knowing about the techniques and that they were being used. Her own fucking aide told her

Oh the CIA briefed her Aide on this huh?

Boy are you fucking stupid.

and is lying in the throws of her own political death?

No matter what, I'll bet you $1,000.00 the people of her district elect her again.

But, keep letting shit you know nothing about fall out of your ass. It's fun to watch!

Old Ms Pelosi is on Obama's shit list. And this provides him with a chance to get her. Panetta knifed her with a gratuitous statement supporting the CIA.

The Number 2 man in the House and Obama's Chief of Staff are close buddies, and No. 2 is seen as more willing to advance the Obama program. Nancy P. is seem as something of an obstacle.

Lying sack of shit that she is, Pelosi is more of an independent barrier to Obama's taking complete control of the country.

Nancy P. may end up in the camp of the "better than Obama-ites" guys. Pelosi, weak and compliant as she is, is undoubtedly better than a forceful leader on the Obama train to perdition and destruction holding the Speakership..

"We all share great respect for the dedicated men and women of the intelligence community who are deeply committed to the safety and security of the American people. My criticism of the manner in which the Bush Administration did not appropriately inform Congress is separate from my respect for those in the intelligence community who work to keep our country safe. What is important now is to be united in our commitment to ensuring the security of our country; that, and how Congress exercises its oversight responsibilities, will continue to be my focus as we move forward."

Pelosi's latest statement... now she wasn't criticizing the CIA, just the Bush administration.

Will somebody stop her please? If she would just stop the focus would go back to where it belongs. I can't believe out of all the Democrats in the House she is the best and should lead.

No matter what, I'll bet you $1,000.00 the people of her district elect her again.
But, keep letting shit you know nothing about fall out of your ass. It's fun to watch!

#224 | POSTED BY MANYPATHS AT 2009-05-15 06:33 PM | REPLY

Her district, chalk full of white guilt over torture, is gonna cut her loose after this. Even if she manages to scrape by, she'll lose the speakership.

dude, Pelosi admitted knowing about the techniques and that they were being used. Her own fucking aide told her. Can't you get it through your pea brain that she knew, and is lying in the throws of her own political death?

This is the way the lies of the right work. They count on their myrmidons not being smart enough, or not caring enough to honestly look at the information.

What Pelosi said was in regards to 2002 briefing she was given.
She was informed though an aid to Harmon in 2003, that EIT had been employed.
We now know the CIA had been using EIT/torture prior to Pelosi's briefing.
We know that those "techniques" weren't covered by the DOJ memos at the time, since they had yet to be solicited.
We also know that Cheney's (or his office) pushed for waterboarding on POWs to get them to confess that a non-existent link between Al-Qaida and Iraq was a reality.
We also know that Cheney wanted a confession on the Prague meeting that never occurred.
We know that Pelosi, in 2007, authored and managed to get passed legislation to ban torture.
We also know that Bush, in one of his 12 vetoes, vetoed that bill.
We know that part of what Powell said in his infamous U.N. speech was derived from torture and was proven wrong.
We know the 9/11 Commission report depended on unreliable information gained from EIT/torture of more than 30 detainees/captured.
We know the CIA lied to us about yellowcake.
We also know that the only way the GOP can deflect this is to move the spotlight from the clear violation of our own law, International law, and signed treaties.

Finally, none of this changes the basic facts:
Bush/Cheney enabled by a Republican controlled Congress conceived, developed, implemented and sought "legal" cover for a policy of torture. Not Pelosi.

So, as much as the right wants to bash Pelosi, it is Bush/Cheney and the current torture apologists that bear 100% of the responsibility for this.

That taking measures in an effort to protect America and Americans from harm is even on the table indicates what a decadent country this is. Anyone with any character would have declared that waterboarding worked and averted a disaster in Los Angeles.

Decadence and degeneracy enable some to rationalize harm being inflicted on them deliberately by strangers trying to harm them. These sick-os advance justifications and apologetics for these enemies as if they are disinterested parties, merely academic observers, rather than being involved participants at risk.

And these egomaniacs elevate their ideation as more worthy of consideration than the flesh and blood of their countrymen who are endangered.

This is insanity.

Any actions including real torture that inflicts permanent harm or kills, and threatening and harming loved ones of potential mass murderers is justified to extract information that might allow you to avert harm to you and yours.

What a lack of a sense of self-worth and self-esteem is necessary to relegate the value of your life and that of your loved ones as secondary to the well-being of someone intent on harming you and them.

Renegades who jeopardize the well-being of their fellow-Americans and espouse policies that subject their fellow-Americans to harm belong on the chopping block along with declared enemies. These insane renegades, who seem to consider themselves detached observers should not be permitted to endanger others, and their own lives should be forfeit for their complicit behavior if harm does occur due to their obstructionism and actions.

Anyone with any character would have declared that waterboarding worked and averted a disaster in Los Angeles.

Anyone with character would know that is a complete lie. The timelines don't add up, and you prefer being lied to over the truth.

Like with all reports like this, there is so much we don't know.

Many of us seemingly decided already.

Anyone with any character would have declared that waterboarding worked and averted a disaster in Los Angeles.

#229 | Posted by Johnson at 2009-05-15 08:35 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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Larry-
Cheney got a suspect to admit, under torture, that al Qaeda has a time machine, so it makes perfect sense.

Larry-
Cheney got a suspect to admit, under torture, that al Qaeda has a time machine, so it makes perfect sense.

Posted by BetelG at 2009-05-15 08:57 PM | Reply

Thank G-d Cheney can't get ahold of a flux capacitor and a delorean. We would be so screwed then. Much worse than we already are if You can imagine that.

Larry

Nancy You: Sleazy-Slimy Murdering Bitch!!!

WOW! So Nancy Pelosi the Total "Genocidal" Israeli Govt."WHORE" wants to talk aout her Morality and Humanity! Ha-Ha-Ha...Holy Fuck Nancy I Hope You Totally ROT the fuck OUT with CANCER you Sleazy-Slimy Murdering/Whore Bitch!!!

Having worked for a Senate leader on Capitol Hill, I can attest that--when leaders of Congress are notified of major covert operations--the briefings are often incomplete at best and are sometimes prone to gloss over what is really going on. A full briefing on relevant CIA activities is seldom guaranteed.

Despite CIA Director Leon Panetta's morale-booster claim that agents do not mislead Congress--he was not at Langley during the last administration and is in no position to know when the CIA has prevaricated with Congress--they have lied to and misled members of Congress on numerous occasions in the last 30 years! Sens. Goldwater and Rockefeller, among others, have so charged. Get real!

It should be noted that under the National Security Act of 1947, as amended, and the 1991 Intelligence Authorization Act, the Executive Branch is required to ensure that the congressional intelligence committees are kept "fully and currently informed"of U.S. intelligence activities, including any "significant anticipated intelligence activity."

House Intelligence Committee chairman, Rep. Silvestre Reyes (D-Texas), has accurately described what usually happens in reality:

"When the CIA comes in to notify you about a very sensitive intelligence program, you don't have the opportunity to get all your questions answered or to review legal documents. You're not allowed to consult with any lawyers or experts. You're not even allowed to discuss the matter with your colleagues or your staff."

William E. Jackson, Jr.

(former Chief Legislative Assistant to the Senate Democratic Whip, Alan Cranston, D-CA)

maybe a patriot will silence this bitch. That would be applauded.

newt "STICKS" it to pelosi right between the eyes..

COUNT the wrinkles in her forehead...I think you will find that everytime she has one of these liefests....a new one or two appears...

sort of her version of pinochio...

maybe a patriot will silence this bitch. That would be applauded.

#238 | Posted by midtowncowboy at 2009

please let me be the first conservative to call this post out of line. and besides it will be much more fun to watch her pack her shit and leave congress.

need anymore proof that she is a lying bitch..

report from 2004...there was something that the bush administration was doing. she found condi and called her and bitcheed about it.
the practice was stopped and she was told it was stopped because of her objections.
I am sorry that I dont have more info from this story but it will be coming to a thread near you soon....the details that is...but the fact remains..
she was briefed on THIS ISSUE and she did something about it......so dont even try and give us this old...well couldnt have done anything anyway bullshit....

maybe a patriot will silence this bitch. That would be applauded.
#238 | Posted by midtowncowboy

I'm with Akfabibble on this one: way out of line.

well wait a min doc

could you please not give my cover away.....
someone might confuse me with someone who gives a shit what you think.........lol
and besides...I am sure you are a little nervous too with agreeing with me...

"I am sure you are a little nervous too with agreeing with me..."

I put the odds on a par with colliding with space debris. Sooner or later...

At least you're not one of the cretins who flop around in the ooze at the bottom of the genetic barrel, e.g.:

"Nancy You: Sleazy-Slimy Murdering Bitch!!!
WOW! So Nancy Pelosi the Total "Genocidal" Israeli Govt."WHORE" wants to talk aout her Morality and Humanity! Ha-Ha-Ha...Holy Fuck Nancy I Hope You Totally ROT the fuck OUT with CANCER you Sleazy-Slimy Murdering/Whore Bitch!!!
#236 | Posted by AntiCadillac"

Talk about a need to address personal "issues."

Pelosi did the right thing by approving waterboarding and other EIT's.

Notice how she puts her party first, country second in this issue. Mindless.

Hey spammer, you already posted that on another thread. Can't think of anything else?

i once did a 3some with nancy and hillary........ nancy has a big bush and hillary is NO blonde