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Thursday, May 14, 2009

Democrats charged Tuesday that the CIA has released documents about congressional briefings on harsh interrogation techniques in order to deflect attention and blame away from itself. "I think there is so much embarrassment in some quarters [of the CIA] that people are going to try to shift some of the responsibility to others," said Sen. Carl Levin (D-Mich.), who sat on the Senate Intelligence Committee and was briefed on interrogation techniques five times between 2006 and 2007.

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dems think cia is out to get them?

this seems kind of sudden.

::smirk::

Congress: Punish those bad CIA dudes who did torture!

CIA: Er... Congress knew about it and sactioned it. We just did what we were told to do.

Congress: The CIA is out to get us!!

CIA Can't Vouch for Claims in Torture Briefing Document, Agency Director Says
rawstory.com

There's plenty of blame to go around. Interesting that Cheney is the squeakiest wheel.

There is such a thing as complicity which the democrats are guilty of.
These democrats are elected representives of the people.By staying quite they have failed the people and brought dishoner to themselves.
The exploitation of the torture issue and the war for their own political lust for power killed many more Americans then needed to be.
The stain of blood on their hands at the loss of our soldiers will never be washed away.
They should burn in hell

rwd

It's funny that whenever something goes back to the Democrats instead of standing up and being adults to take blame they push it onto everyone else. Speaking of that, so Hillary...any more new "Right Wing Conspiracies" against you?

They should, just as they should do to all enemies of America, Foreign and Domestic.

I seems that the whole goverment, Dems and Repbs, is rotten. Vote all of them out and start over.

that's what they get for siccing dhs on harmless, freedom loving, gun and bible clinging, conservative individuals! HA! government is the real terrorist.

"CIA out to get us"

Better run and hide, SANOBAMA, DOCDICKHEAD,DANNI, HANS and the rest of you dirt bag liberals.

You go girl!

When your international espionage group has only 15 percent or so that can speak a foreign language, care to take a wild guess who they are going to have to spy on?

Dems, you've, got to atone for your involvment also.

Suck it up.

Well, Lindsey Graham was the only Republican that bothered to show yesterday during a committee hearing on torture. The experts - psychological, intelligence and medical all confirm that:

1. What was performed was torture.
2. Torture does not provide actionable intelligence.
3. To proceed under the correct legal guidelines would incarcerate a number of otherwise uninvolved military persons.

And now they are after "the two leading Democrats" because they were allegedly provided details of the enhanced interrogation techniques being signed into use.

The only catch - waterboarding was/is/continues to be torture. Pelosi and Reid didn't know it at the time because it was omitted from their briefing.

Next time I'd appreciate Sheldon to stick around for the entire hearing. That would be prudent.

anybody see a very large government agency being phased out?

"Democrats charged Tuesday that the CIA has released documents about congressional briefings on harsh interrogation techniques in order to deflect attention and blame away from itself."

Democrats think that even though they are involved the public should not know that. They want to play political games by blaming others and project themselves as squeaky clean. This is nothing new for our Democrat leaders and the same goes for the liberal media who thinks it's their job is to protect them.

The CIA during the Bush Administration's 8 years was an arm of the Republican Party. Now they are trying to "COVER THIER OWN ASS", an yes they are releasing tid bits of information to try to change the subject on TORTURE.....

Who give a damn who was informed, it was the policy of the BUSH ADMINISTRATION, It was the President who was responsible, not Congress no matter how many times Congress was briefed. The attempt by the Republican Party an the CIA to now try to muddy the waters will fail, YOU FUCKING IDIOTS THE TRUTH WILL COME OUT AN SO WILL THOSE PICTURES......

How can the CIA be going after Dems, they are spending all their resources making sure the Bruins beat the Canes in round 2. It won't work but they are trying. Hey just like torture.

don't think the dems thought this situation out-in their eagerness to blame bush they have made themselves look weak in the time they should have said somethin if they believed what was bein done was wrong-obama tried to save them by not wantin to probe the past-this is another example of politics bein played out against the public good -politicians know as long as they despense pork they can stay in office
no matter what damage they do to the affairs of the nation-if torture was used it was done in the belief that it was for the good of the nation-what the dems are doin now is jus photo ops
jasman

could it be possible that all this attention on the past is to avoid the fact they have no clue as to what to do in the future
jasman

Congress authorised the war.
Congress briefed on the 'enhanced interrogation.'

ACLU wishes to embarass the US to make the terrorists feel good. Congress was getting along until the double standard was exposed.

The CIA did the right thing --- to protect the nation and to squash self-righteousness.

Have a nice day!

The non-partisan Daily Show, roasted Nancy this week, with her own words. First playoing a tape of her complete and total denial of any prior knowledge follwoed by a series of parsed words dancing around the truth. Hilarious, unless you were one of BushCo's torture targets against his ill concieved plan to control the world and steer profits in evil directions.

Oh well, if torture doesn't get you anywhere, just unleash Wall Street and retire.

Have a nice day!
#21 | Posted by takitez

That should go on the front of your sandwich board. On the back, put "!yad ecin a hvaH." Nobody will think you know what you're talking about, but some nice lady might find it "cute" and give you a lollipop. Oh, and don't forget the Beanie Propeller Hat, just $9.95 at a store near you.

Hilarious...

Dem Leadership pre-2006: Any politician that knew about or was complicit in torture must be prosecuted. Of course, the Dem Party would stop this nonsense if we were in charge!

Dem Leadership 2006-2008: Umm...any politician that authorized torture must be prosecuted - like those in the Bush Admin! Although we control Congress, our hands are tied.

Dem Leadership post 2008: "Who give a damn who was informed..."(#17 | Posted by celisary); The CIA is out to get us! Did you hear about the poetry jam at the White House yet?

Bart-
What's "hilarious" is that you can only see torture and the breaking of laws, treaties, the abuse of basic morality and the embrace of wanton authoritarianism through the prism of partisan politics.

'Out to get us' - NO!, the truth will set you free.

"I think there is so much embarrassment in some quarters [of the CIA] that people are going to try to shift some of the responsibility to others that's what I think," [--Levin]

"Shifting" may be too strong a word, but he's right about the embarrassment. Good for them! Cheney certainly isn't embarrassed.

A year or two into the Iraq War I had lunch with a CIA analyst who was both embarrassed and forthright about what happened with Iraq WMD intel. (Not the topic here, but the parallels are interesting.) He said it's rare for analysts to have direct contact with high-ranking administration officials, but in this case, Cheney took a personal interest, he was on the phone with them all the time asking if one thing or another wasn't worded too strongly, etc., and the attention seemed to go to people's heads. Through successive drafts, qualifiers noting uncertainty got dropped. In the analyst's view, THIS was the CIA screwup and he fully blamed the CIA -- it should never have made those editing changes, no matter who wanted them.

The analyst was dumbfounded by Americans' toleration for the war. He was beside himself pointing out how well the WMD lies were documented in the Duelfer Report, and wondered why there weren't constant demonstrations at least across college campuses.

There's always been an important division between the CIA's analysts and its "spooks," but given some of the stereotypes, it was fascinating to hear such outrage long before much of the American public had caught on.

If it can be proven that pelosi lied, it puts a dent in her credibility, but there is no clear smoking gun...yet. Nevertheless, it does not redirect the blame for the policies that were put in place. The bush league was, is and will remain responsible for that black mark in the country's history, no matter how much they or their lemmings squirm or point accusing fingers.

Bart-
What's "hilarious" is that you can only see torture and the breaking of laws, treaties, the abuse of basic morality and the embrace of wanton authoritarianism through the prism of partisan politics.

#25 | Posted by BetelG at 2009-05-14 10:39 AM | Flag: Irony

Well, Lindsey Graham was the only Republican that bothered to show yesterday during a committee hearing on torture. The experts - psychological, intelligence and medical all confirm that:

1. What was performed was torture.
2. Torture does not provide actionable intelligence.
3. To proceed under the correct legal guidelines would incarcerate a number of otherwise uninvolved military persons.

#14 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2009

well except you are missing one little "inconveinent truth" if you will

the ONLY witnesses INVITED were those who believed that your 3 points were true
in typical democrat form....OTHERS WHO BELIEVED OTHERWISE WERENT INVITED........

well except you are missing one little "inconveinent truth" if you will

the ONLY witnesses INVITED were those who believed that your 3 points were true
in typical democrat form...

#30 | Posted by afkabl2

The REALLY "inconvenient truth" is that you are flat out lying.

It isn't that they weren't invited, its that they won't testify. For example...

"Federal judge Jay Bybee one of the authors behind the legal memos who is now under scrutiny declined an invitation to testify before the panel..."

Hay people!!! Does anyone know what happened after the Church commission destroyed the CIA back in the 70s? Lets do it again!!!! You morons.

If the CIA needs to be fixed, fix them, don't destroy them again.

Hay people!!!
#32 | Posted by Sniper

Straw man!!!

Straw man!!!

#33 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis

Oh, great comeback doc. You are sooooooooo smart.

Pelosi laid out the timeline, what she was told when, what the Bush Admin and the CIA told her, her role, when her role transitioned. She's called for a full release of the CIA's documents on the briefings and said the memo is a complete misrepresentation of what she had been breifed. She laid out a compelling case against the CIA, complicit in the lie of the Iraq war and the torture program. She slammed them for "misleading Congress all the time."

Another day, another interesting turn. This strategy the GOP has employed isn't looking good. Yesterday Lindsey Graham looked like an idiot using recanted and discredited information when questioning the FBI interrogator, and now this.

"I don't know whether this is actually pursuing the nobility of the law or a political stunt," Graham said.

Then he went on with his own political stunt.

*briefed.

The REALLY "inconvenient truth" is that you are flat out lying.

It isn't that they weren't invited, its that they won't testify. For example...

"Federal judge Jay Bybee one of the authors behind the legal memos who is now under scrutiny declined an invitation to testify before the panel..."

#31 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue at 2009-05-14 11:21 AM | Reply | Flag:

bite me

doesnt matter..

FACT>...they only heard from people who believe as the points were listed and it makes no difference why any werent there

and if this is all true

release the memos...all of them this time mister pres...and not just the ones that prove your point........

remember your call for transparency........I didnt think so

yav..

pelosi's own intelligence aide is giving us the truth apparently
and no amount of democrat historical edits can change

she is a liar

and when it comes to republicans and dems

here is a little book that many of them could stand to read as well as many here...

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And that's why we need real men more than ever.

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That's why Frank Miniter's The Ultimate Man's Survival Guide is a Godsend! It gives young men what they need to become not effete "metrosexuals" skilled at the ins and outs of high fashion and cocktail chat, but well-rounded men who can fight off bears and alligators, create a tourniquet out of a t-shirt, set a dislocated joint, rescue a drowning person -- and pick the perfect cigar and bottle of wine.

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Straw man!!!

#33 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis

Oh, great comeback doc. You are sooooooooo smart.

#34 | Posted by Sniper at 2009-05-14 11

I have always said that DOC is one fart smeller.

GENTLEMEN AND LADIES

it took long enough but SHE FINNALY GOT TO IT

IT WAS ALL BUSH"S FAULT>.....

and here is a link to the lying sack of shit

thehill.com

Left wing loony bird paranoia. Typical.

no its not FW

ITS BUSH"S FAULT.........

FF for #40. Good one afk.

doesnt matter..

FACT>...they only heard from people who believe as the points were listed and it makes no difference why any werent there

#37 | Posted by afkabl2

Of course it does, you unbelievable buffoon. Your accusation was that they only invited witnesses who supported their position, and any one else was excluded.

That's a BIG difference from witnesses being invited and REFUSING to come.

Just admit you blew it, Hoss.

What's "hilarious" is that you can only see torture and the breaking of laws, treaties, the abuse of basic morality and the embrace of wanton authoritarianism through the prism of partisan politics...
#25 | Posted by BetelG

...says one of the most partisan shills on the DR (who, BTW, seems completely comfortable with the inconsistencies espoused by his party).

14 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2009-05-14 09:08 AM

The experts - psychological, intelligence and medical all confirm that ...

Gosh, a cherry-picked goup of experts, who "comfirm" the party line that has issued from the committee. How unexpected.

The fact is that all of these "witnesses" are misinformed or lying. The proof is in the pudding, and the information that was "extracted" has been helpful despite the disclaimers of these "flat earth" witnesses, who will not be dissuaded by empirical evidence.

So-called "political truth" does not necessarily equate with reality.

Remember the "global warming" hearings where opponents of the conclusion were not permitted to give "evidence." Same BS. These politicians have no integrity and should be ashamed of the themselves. Gosh, it seems that self-serving people, who have little or no concern for the public good, or truth and the well-being of the American people, can be elected to public office. It's enough to make a person cynical.

Where are all the dupes who were parroting received truth concerning Senator and Presidential candidate Edwards a short time ago? Come let us exalt him. Er, Uh.

Lying sacks of shit. Maybe they fear being dealt with with extreme prejudice. This continual bickering and reciprocal defamation, may inspire action in the cause of what is perceived as patriotism in salvation of this country. It will be interesting as it plays out. Intelligence services are not monolithic and the loyalties that develop are difficult to rationalize at times. Regard the Pakistani intelligence services and their changing role(s).

Time for some sacrificial lambs to be put down as a message to the 'leaders'. Any method will do.

dem leaders - BOO!

Oh, and don't forget the Beanie Propeller Hat, just $9.95 at a store near you.

#23 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis

Like this one! All the Dems should have this on!

img2.ifilmpro.com

This is what happens when you politicize this type of issue.

All kinds of stuff happens.

If they want to go down this path--then get it all out on the table in the "Truth Commission" hearings.

No surprise, the Bush Administration lied to everybody, so why not to Pelosi?

Let's not forget, the argument that Republicans trying to make, namely that some Democrats knew about the Bush Administrations crimes, and therefore these actions were somehow justified, is bogus.

The Bushies were in charge and bear full responsibility.

If they want to go down this path--then get it all out on the table in the "Truth Commission" hearings.

I'm good with that. This could have been done with but for Cheney and the GOP. In that, I think I'm actually thankful!

pelosi's own intelligence aide is giving us the truth apparently
and no amount of democrat historical edits can change

I think you're confusing Goss and her aid.

I don't see a contradiction between what Pelosi said and what her aid (Sheehy) said when you draw a timeline. That was one of the points covered in her press conference today.

she is a liar

On this or generally? On this, I don't know - but I know that she's made her case and she's confident that the release of more information will support her original statements.

She's not laying down and taking it. She went right after the CIA and what they did during that period of time.

If they want to go down this path--then get it all out on the table in the "Truth Commission" hearings.

#51 | Posted by MURPHY

Agreed. Let the chips fall where they may.

The Bushies were in charge and bear full responsibility.
#52 | Posted by Mista Kurtz

Because the House Minority Leader has no power and no responsibility for her positions taken in '03 that conveniently change with the political winds.

Let's not forget, the argument that Republicans trying to make, namely that some Democrats knew about the Bush Administrations crimes, and therefore these actions were somehow justified, is bogus.

The Bushies were in charge and bear full responsibility.

Amen. Conceived, developed, justified and implemented - all the while requiring sworn to secrecy, only tacit compliance allowed from those that were briefed.

Oh, and if you disagree and write something? Destroy all copies.

While you're at it, don't forget those video tapes.

Bush and Cheney really fucked us.

American's will not "tell the truth" in a truth commission. take away punishment for potential conviction and punishment for wrongdoing and those people won't care and most will still try to cya.

what works in America is criminal court.

funny, i believe people are "good," just not these few people.

(furthermore, speaking of war criminals: all U.S. soldiers who followed orders into Iraq are criminals, from the E1 bush beater to the General at 50,000 ft.)

i find it difficult to see how America will make it sans massive total ad complete across the board reform. i think Sabato, et al, may be onto something with having new Constitutional Convention.


23 Proposals to Revitalize the US Constitution
from
A MORE PERFECT CONSTITUTION
by Larry J. Sabato
(in the order in which they appear in the book)
Send us your 24th Amendment!
Congress:
1. Expand the Senate to 136 members to be more representative: Grant the 10 most populous states 2 additional Senators, the 15 next most populous states 1 additional Senator, and the District of Columbia 1 Senator.
2. Appoint all former Presidents and Vice Presidents to the new office of "National Senator."
3. Mandate non-partisan redistricting for House elections to enhance electoral competition.
4. Lengthen House terms to 3 years (from 2) and set Senate terms to coincide with all Presidential elections, so the entire House and Senate would be elected at the same time as the President.
5. Expand the size of the House to approximately 1,000 members (from current 435), so House members can be closer to their constituents, and to level the playing field in House elections.
6. Establish term limits in the House and Senate to restore the Founders' principle of frequent rotation in office.
7. Add a Balanced Budget Amendment to encourage fiscal fairness to future generations.
8. Create a Continuity of Government procedure to provide for replacement Senators and Congresspeople in the event of extensive deaths or incapacitation.

Presidency:
9. Establish a new 6-year, 1-time Presidential term with the option for the Presidentto seek 2 additional years in an up/down referendum of the American people.
10. Limit some Presidential war-making powers and expand Congress's oversight of war-making.
11. Give the President a line-item veto.
12. Allow men and women not born in the U.S. to run for President or Vice President after having been a citizen for 20 years.

Supreme Court:
13. Eliminate lifetime tenure for federal judges in favor of non-renewable 15-year terms for all federal judges.
14. Grant Congress the power to set a mandatory retirement age for all federal judges.
15. Expand the size of the Supreme Court from 9 to 12 to be more representative.
16. Give federal judges guaranteed cost of living increases so pay is never an issue.

Politics:
17. Write a new constitutional article specifically for the politics of the American system.
18. Adopt a regional, staggered lottery system, over 4 months, for Presidential party nominations to avoid the destructive front-loading of primaries.
19. Mend the Electoral College by granting more populated states additional electors, to preserve the benefits of the College while minimizing the chances a President will win without a majority of the popular vote.
20. Reform campaign financing by preventing wealthy candidates from financing their campaigns, and by mandating partial public financing for House and Senate campaigns.
21. Adopt an automatic registration system for all qualified American citizens to guarantee their right to vote is not abridged by bureaucratic requirements.

Universal National Service:
22. Create a Constitutional requirement that all able-bodied young Americans devote at least 2 years of their lives in service to the country.

National Constitutional Convention:
23. Convene a new Constitutional Convention using the state-based mechanism left to us by the Framers in the current Constitution.

amoreperfectconstitution.com

Larry J. Sabato
Director of the UVA Center for Politics and
author of
A More Perfect Constitution
Why The Constitution Must Be Revised:
Ideas To Inspire A New Generation

Copyright 2007-2009 University of Virginia Center for Politics

So Nancy Pelosi and Carl Levin were complicit in the torture of innocent Muslims. What did they know and when did they know it? Did they tell Barry? Where is "deep throat" when we need him?

If I Was to walk around saying the cia IS OUT TO GET ME, Wouldn't I be medicated and sent to be "evaluated". And Cheney is out there schooling Obama and he is Listening, CHENEY RULES!!!

Pelosi is a typical democrat, a lying weaselly moron who got elected by a whacked out district

OBAMA GOT SCHOOLED

Where is "deep throat" when we need him?

#60 | Posted by fwthom

She quit after the first movie. Didn't you know that?

hmmmm i guess this just proves that
Liars are on the Left
Liars are on the Right
Liars Everywhere!!!!!!

The fascinating aspect of this sideshow is that it centers on the rough treatment of people who hate the United States. Not the policies of the United States, but the United States. Consider the Khobar Towers, the first World Trade Center Attack, the near sinking of the USS Cole. You shouldn't have to be a rocket scientist to understand these people have a real deep rooted disliking for the United States. In press releases these Islamic freaks dress their attacks in petty grievances, such as the presence of infidel US troops in Saudi Arabia. Make no mistake; what they seek to destroy is any culture that isn't one under Islamic rule.

And here we sit and debate the use of waterboarding as torture. The people we waterboarded want to cut your kid's throat. Not just cut your kid's throat but tape the episode and release the event on youtube. Daniel Pearl wasn't waterboarded.

Who really cares if Nancy Pelosi is willing to admit she knew these animals, who have no rights under the Geneva Convention, were being waterboarded.

Should we pour molten lead in their ears? No. Should we scare them real bad? Sure.

There are times when we enjoy the luxury of taking political advice from intellectual equivalents of Talking Elmo, this is not one of the periods in world history.

This debate is not important. Nancy Pelosi should set down. Not because she lied, but because she is incompetent.

MAybe they are out to get Congress, but the Dems were not in control when these debates were being held and were honestly blocked from holding their own hearings (Conyers in the basement), so technically, the CIA were misleading the RNC and Congress and not just the DNC.

The hypocrisy on the Left is staggering.

Just like the preachy Green Lear Jet Liberals who live in 50,000 sq.ft. mansions and own private jets, it turns out key congressional Democrats were for "torture" before they were against it!

Why am I not surprised?

Is there anybody left in Washington the People can trust?

In the first place....
Even if Mrs. Pelosi was telling the truth that she was not briefed on the exact method......

One of her Aids was some time later in 2003?

As the Post's Paul Kane notes, Pelosi acknowledged publicly for the first time today that she was aware that detainees were being water boarded as long ago as 2003 when a member of her staff was part of a briefing in February of that year in which it was revealed that water boarding was ongoing.

So for six years she knew. Dems were the majority in the House for the last five years....

They had the power and the votes to put an immediate stop to this and they..... What? DIDN'T.... Why? Because they knew they could manipulate the public with this crap later on and use it to their advantage during the election.... And they did...

You leftists who are so caring of what Bush and Cheney did could care less that your side is just as guilty as the rest of them...

You will say anything to help your side win or look like they are better...

More Partisan Bull Crap.... She knew damn well that the CIA was doing what they were doing...

How about a truth commission on how many congressmen and senators have extended family members who are getting lucrative contracts with the federal government. Stimulus money anyone.... Truth commission my ass.

Anyone who would take that womans word on any subject is an idiot!

www.arguewitheveryone.com

Frankly, she couldn't care less about what the CIA did to suspected terrorists... She is in DC for one thing and one thing only...

THE MONEY!

The sooner you people start to realize that the sooner we can get a real government.

"Dems were the majority in the House for the last five years...."

Is Vernon selling calculators again?

Dems were the majority in the House for the last five years....

They had the power and the votes to put an immediate stop to this and they.....

#67 | Posted by bashthis

Well, you have your time line a bit confused, but there WAS this:

www.youtube.com

Senate Republicans invoke a rare rule to try to shut down a hearing on torture.

and:

While the Armed Services Committee in Congress has been working hard to draft a bill that would end some of the worst abuses of the Bush Administration such as torture and hiding detainees from the Red Cross, Dick Cheney made a personal visit this week to committee members to kill the planned bill.

and:

Senate Republicans blocked a bill Friday (Dec. 14, 2007) that would restrict the interrogation methods the CIA can use against terrorism suspects.

The legislation, part of a measure authorizing the government's intelligence activities for 2008, had been approved a day earlier by the House and sent to the Senate for what was supposed to be final action. The bill would require the CIA to adhere to the Army's field manual on interrogation, which bans waterboarding, mock executions and other harsh interrogation methods.

For example.

The Truth Commission Has Arrived

www.washingtonpost.com

freeinternetpress.com

bitterqueen.typepad.com

This one is the best
blog.sunlightfoundation.com

More TRUTH

www.liberalutopia.net

Star-Kist is the major employer in American Samoa employing 75% of the
Samoan workforce.

Paul Pelosi, Nancy's husband, owns $17 million dollars of Del Monte stock.

In January, 2007 when the minimum wage was increased from $5.15 to $7.25,
Pelosi had American Samoa exempted from the increase so Del Monte would not
have to pay the higher wage.

Paul Pelosi, Nancy's husband, owns $17 million dollars of Del Monte stock.

In January, 2007 when the minimum wage was increased from $5.15 to $7.25,
Pelosi had American Samoa exempted from the increase so Del Monte would not
have to pay the higher wage.

#70 | Posted by bashthis

False.

www.factcheck.org

False.

How Naive

Fact checker.... LOL

Dude... You're telling me now that MR Pelosi Never purchased Del Monte stock?

Because if he bought the stock at say eleven dollars a share and he sold it a week later at fifteen a share he cleaned up. You don't think guys like him day trade?

Your a simple minded guy I guess...

You dont have to list every stock you purchased over the year. Just thge stock you are holding on to...

#72 | Posted by bashthis

Pitiful


I keep hearing "the democrats knew about it" line from the CYA crowd of republicans..

So WHAT?

I guess the party of 'personal responsibility' thinks that it means point the fingers at others and scream "they knew about....while we did it".

In January, 2007 when the minimum wage was increased from $5.15 to $7.25, Pelosi had American Samoa exempted from the increase so Del Monte would not have to pay the higher wage.
~Bashthis

From the factcheck link:

"Furthermore, American Samoa never got the minimum wage exemption it sought."

So, Bash, are you going to retract, or admit you were lying?

In January, 2007 when the minimum wage was increased from $5.15 to $7.25,
Pelosi had American Samoa exempted from the increase so Del Monte would not
have to pay the higher wage.

#70 | Posted by bashthis

....and Tom Delay made sure that products made in American Samoa could use the 'Made In America' label all while receiving none of the labor protections of US law.

mediamatters.org

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and her husband invested between $50,000 and $100,000 in T. Boone Pickens's Clean Energy Fuels Corp., which could benefit from legislation the California Democrat favors to boost U.S. use of natural gas.

So, Bash, are you going to retract, or admit you were lying?

Never. Instead he'll preach his "christian" doctrine and push his bumper sticker.

Good. I hope they are out to get them to shut their stupid fucking hypocritical pie-holes.

False.

www.factcheck.org

So an improved minimum wage did eventually come to American Samoa despite rightwing newsletter whispering campaigns to the contrary, eh?

Yer link states that only twenty jobs were lost due to improved working conditions.

Apparently, no longer the case.

Story from earlier on this month sez that Chicken of the Sea is closing an entire factory now. CotS is still an American owned concern. Star Kist is now owned by some Asian concern. Star Kist is staying on desp[ite the minimum wage hike.

www.honoluluadvertiser.com

Wonder if CotS will start up operation somewhere else where they don't have a fair minimum wage?

Call it a hunch.

Be Well.


So, Bash, are you going to retract, or admit you were lying?

Never. Instead he'll preach his "christian" doctrine and push his bumper sticker.

YES!!!

Anti-War is Anti-Christian

And... You dont want to know how many of them bumperstickers I have sold there Lefty....

No retraction.... Wasn't Lying..... She and her husband are crooks..... Look at the T Boon Purchases.... Pure Gravy to them in light of the fact that they just discovered enough natural gass under the western states to fuel us for years....

INSIDER TRADING LYING WHORE!

"No retraction.... Wasn't Lying"

Well, that's lie #2, at a minimum.

The average wage for tuna workers in American Samoa is $3.60 an hour. One of the biggest employers there is Starkist Tuna...which is headquartered in San Francisco...Nancy Pelosi land. Anybody care to take a closer look at the campaign contributions of Democrats in the last election? One thing is for sure, the delegate from American Samoa, a Democrat, is loaded down with campaign cash from the tuna industry.

Look at the stock pricec for del monte and starkist for that time period....

She's a WHORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!

And... You dont want to know how many of them bumperstickers I have sold there Lefty....

I'm sure. There are plenty of taliban equivalents in your "community."

The Dems knew about the alleged "torture" as they were briefed on it and did nothing about it because they felt nothing was wrong. Obviously!

Now even though the Dems control both chambers of Congress and the Presidency, they are so mean-spririted they are still trying to throw Bush Administration officials in jail for anything they can find. Now they are pissed off because they went too far, lied to big and now are caught up in the bullshit they started. Instead of leaving the Bush Administration alone and focusing on America, Pelosi started a vendetta against Bush and the CIA and now she is fighting for her political career. The Dems are babies and they deserve this.

Hey Dan.... Why do you argue with this?
"No retraction.... Wasn't Lying"

Well, that's lie #2, at a minimum.

But not mention this.

Look at the T Boon Purchases.... Pure Gravy to them in light of the fact that they just discovered enough natural gas under the western states to fuel us for years....

Makes no sense... They miraculously invested in an industry just before there was a huge discovery in the field...

Maybe she's not a Whore after all....
Maybe she's just Miraculous

And maybe you are simple minded

The Dems knew about the alleged "torture" as they were briefed on it and did nothing about it because they felt nothing was wrong. Obviously!

Wrong on so many levels - as usual. The dems did try and stop it, but they were blocked by the GOP. Again they tried to do an inquiry, and were blocked by the GOP.

When the Democrats were finally in power, torture was outlawed.

The GOP is the party of torture. It could have been Bush/Cheney's legacy, but the GOP came running to defend it. Now it's the GOP's legacy.

I live in New York... I know bullshit when I see it... I call bullshit when I see it... I don't sweep it under the rug because I vote for that party....

I am a man....

You... Are a Leftist LOONEY BAG!

blocked by the GOP. Again they tried to do an inquiry, and were blocked by the GOP.

When the Democrats were finally in power, torture was outlawed.

That is special..... The dems have held both houses since 2006...... They have been in control for three years already...

That is special..... The dems have held both houses since 2006...... They have been in control for three years already...

You are genuinely, abysmally clueless.

"The dems have held both houses since 2006...... They have been in control for three years already"

Flag: Never passed a civics class

1. Expand the Senate to 136 members to be more representative: Grant the 10 most populous states 2 additional Senators, the 15 next most populous states 1 additional Senator, and the District of Columbia 1 Senator.

Wrong.

That ignores the purpose of having 2 houses of Congress.

The House is supposed to be represented by population. For more people you would adjust the numbers in the House, not the Senate. The Senate was supposed to be the part of Congress where all States were represented equally regardless of population. Even at the time of the drafting of the Constitution the States didn't all have the same population.

2. Appoint all former Presidents and Vice Presidents to the new office of "National Senator."

I see absolutely NO reason to keep them in any semblance of power after their terms expire.

4. Lengthen House terms to 3 years (from 2) and set Senate terms to coincide with all Presidential elections, so the entire House and Senate would be elected at the same time as the President.

All that does is ensure that the makeup of Congress will shift wildly based on whatever the current scandal is. While I am for replacing everyone in Congress, the only people this change would serve is the party that can sling the most mud in any given election cycle. That would be more damaging than the status quo. In addition, if term limits are changed, they should be made SHORTER, not longer.

7. Add a Balanced Budget Amendment to encourage fiscal fairness to future generations.

That is only a good thing if you are also going to set a limit on how much can be borrowed to achieve that balance and how often. Just saying they MUST balance the budget doesn't do a damn thing since the problem is rampant deficit spending. Without the controls on borrowing, such an amendment would just encourage more borrow and spend.

9. Establish a new 6-year, 1-time Presidential term with the option for the Presidentto seek 2 additional years in an up/down referendum of the American people.

Bad idea as this would in effect strip the President of most of their power (increasing the power of Congress) by in effect making them a lame duck in their first (and only) term. If you want to argue about the additional 2 years, then I would ask what the point is. If they can be on the ballot for essentially a second term, and the total years of a popular President would be 8 years... why bother?

10. Limit some Presidential war-making powers and expand Congress's oversight of war-making.

Why? Not saying it would be a bad idea, but what is the rationale here? Tampering with the balance of power, and more importantly the checks and balances shouldn't be done lightly.

11. Give the President a line-item veto.

AGREED!!!!!!!!!!! (finally)

12. Allow men and women not born in the U.S. to run for President or Vice President after having been a citizen for 20 years.

Not on your life! All it would take for another country to effectively coopt our Presidency then for a foreign agenda is to immigrate and keep their own agenda. It would be a common practice then for rival governments to send sleeper agents with the express purpose of being able to run with another government's agenda.

Here is a though: President Soros anyone? I don't think so.

I could go on about the rest of the items... but I think you get the point.

If the CIA were out to get you, you would already be dead

The Dems are sounding more like Captain Queeq.

Lt. Greenwald (Jose Ferrer): I'm afraid the defense has no other recourse than to produce Lt. Harding.

Queeg: Now there's no need for that I know exactly what hell tell you. Lies! He was no different than any officer in the wardroom -- they were all disloyal, I tried to run the ship properly by the book but they fought me at every turn. If the crew wanted to walk around with their shirttails hanging out that's all right let them take the tow line. Defective equipment no more no less, but they encouraged the crew to go around scoffing at me and spreading wild rumors about steaming and circles. And then old yellow stain. I was to blame for Lt. Merrick's incompetence and poor seamanship. Lt. Merrick was the perfect officer but not Captain Queeg.

Ah, but the strawberries! That's where I had them. They laughed at me and made jokes, but I proved beyond the shadow of a doubt, and with geometric logic, that a duplicate key to the wardroom icebox did exist!

Bush and Cheney...tantamount to war criminals. And the Justice Department lawyers...demon possession if ever there were such a thing. And...and the CIA! Liars! Every last one of them. Lying to Congress and misleading...and lying about misleading the Congress.

.. You dont have to list every stock you purchased over the year. Just thge stock you are holding on to...
#72 | Posted by bashthis at 2009-05-14 04:57 PM

Uh, dividend reinvestments are purchased shares. Plus, a brokerage can hold shares off the account for you.

Is this correct?

Since "liberalism is a mental disorder", typical lying libs actually believe their own lies.

Bumper Stickers: The Chalkboard of the South!

Bumper Stickers: The Chalkboard of the South!

#99 | Posted by COMMONSENSE

Which, ironically, was a reprint of CommonSense's bumpersticker.

The sky is falling, the sky is falling, the sky is falling....Pelosi get your head out of your ass.

cia is susposed to protect the interests of the united states in the world senators are susposed to run the internal affairs of the nation-now if people consistently overstep their bounds then they are interferin in provinces of others-count the times the cia has msde negative statements aimed at dems vs the times dems have bashed the cia and think who hates who
jasman

Dems are really making the country so much more safe now!

bashthis
tuna money don't count as bribes or graft jus as nea money -union money-soros money aclu money-cause it goes to those honest goodhearted dems
jasman

I think this is the most despicable, dishonest and vicious political effort I've seen in my lifetime."
"She is a trivial politician, viciously using partisanship for the narrowist of purposes, and she dishonors the Congress by her behavior."
"Speaker Pelosi's the big loser, because she either comes across as incompetent, or dishonest. Those are the only two defenses," Gingrich said. "The fact is she either didn't do her job, or she did do her job and she's now afraid to tell the truth."

Thank you knewt... "And now back to the ancore desk.... What's the word on the street jim:?

Resign Now you bloated WHORE!

That is special..... The dems have held both houses since 2006...... They have been in control for three years already...

Posted by bashthis

Good for you! Yesterday you claimed they'd been in power for 5 years.

Progress!

No..... I said Pelosi knew about the waterboarding for five years.... Actually turns out to be six years now...

You guys will back that woman no matter what she does I guess... As long as your side wins right? The laws only apply to Bush?

No..... I said Pelosi knew about the waterboarding for five years....

#107 | Posted by bashthis

LOL!

Dems were the majority in the House for the last five years....

#67 | Posted by bashthis at 2009-05-14 03:22 PM

Why do you think Obama reversed on the photo release and the military trials at Gitmo...

Because he believes the CIA... He realized that he got played and now Pelosi is going to swing for it.

All the dems on the Intel Committee were eventually briefed.... How can you prosecute Bush? They all knew about and did nothing...

The truth is they didn't care... Now they want to pretend that they do....

The truth is you libs don't care either.... You just care about your side winning....


Typical Leftist..

No..... I said Pelosi knew about the waterboarding for five years....

#107 | Posted by bashthis

LOL!

Dems were the majority in the House for the last five years....

#67 | Posted by bashthis at 2009-05-14 03:22 PM

Silly leftist... Dicks-R-4-chicks.

There I went down to your level...

You want to try actual political debate now or are you gonna get out your crayons now son....

#110 | Posted by bashthis

Waaaaah!

Next time, try not to lie about what you said and be an adult.

The point is they got control of both houses and did nothing..... Now they want to color a kettle...

You Idiots keep cheering them on while they steal our money....

A mistake is not a lie.... You need to grow up

By the way. I like your idea of "political debate"...

She's a WHORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!

#83 | Posted by bashthis

Resign Now you bloated WHORE!

#105 | Posted by bashthis

You... Are a Leftist LOONEY BAG!

#89 | Posted by bashthis

Twit.

"A mistake is not a lie."

It is if you're shown the truth and still refuse to retract.

A mistake is not a lie.... You need to grow up

#113 | Posted by bashthis

I didn't say your original mistake was a lie. But then you did lie about what you said. Who needs to grow up?

By the way. I like your idea of "political debate"...
#114 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue

You are correct....


She is a political WHORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

FUCK YOU NANCI PELOSI! I HOPE YOU LOSE YOUR SEAT OVER THIS!

#118 | Posted by Obsidion01

What is "who'll be retaking debate class in summer school", Alex.

Here is another example of leftist bullshit.

this guy attacked my post with this:

From the factcheck link:

"Furthermore, American Samoa never got the minimum wage exemption it sought."

So, Bash, are you going to retract, or admit you were lying?

Here is the reality....

The Fair Minimum Wage Act of 2007 (Public Law 110-28) now sets minimum wage rates within American Samoa and provides for additional increases in the minimum wage of $0.50 per hour each year on May 25, until reaching the minimum wage generally applicable in the United States.

Yes they got the increase. Not to the US standard but .50 an hour more per year until they reach the American standard. So in 2011 they will be at $7.00 depending upon what type of job you have.

Fact check is written by politically motivated people... No facts there.

The CIA is not out to get the Democrats. THE TRUTH is out to get the Democrat liars like Pelosi.

That botox bitch is finally getting her comeuppance.

#120 | Posted by bashthis

So they got a graduated increase, but not the exemption as you claimed? Got it.

You are really good at grabbing those old goal posts and running all around the field with them.

Keep on flailin'.

So they got a graduated increase, but not the exemption as you claimed

No, Del monte got a break causing their stock to rise a few dollors for a few weeks and MR Pelosi cleaned up on a stock purchase...

I believe you'll find that Senator Kerry made a bundle also on that scam.

Don't screw with me son you don't have what it takes....

Don't screw with me son you don't have what it takes....

#123 | Posted by bashthis

Sounds like another loud-mouthed pipsqueak.

No, Del monte got a break causing their stock to rise a few dollors for a few weeks and MR Pelosi cleaned up on a stock purchase...

#123 | Posted by bashthis

And yet you provided no substantiation that he ever even owned any.

You're really not very good at this.

Panetta's note was sent to reporters via the CIA press office. Here's the key graph:

"Let me be clear: It is not our policy or practice to mislead Congress. That is against our laws and our values. As the Agency indicated previously in response to Congressional inquiries, our contemporaneous records from September 2002 indicate that CIA officers briefed truthfully on the interrogation of Abu Zubaydah, describing "the enhanced techniques that had been employed." Ultimately, it is up to Congress to evaluate all the evidence and reach its own conclusions about what happened."

And yet you provided no substantiation that he ever even owned any.

You are the one without the proof that he didn't...

I think the former speaker was on the money

"I think she has lied to the House, and I think that the House has an absolute obligation to open an inquiry, and I hope there will be a resolution to investigate her. And I think this is a big deal. I don't think the Speaker of the House can lie to the country on national security matters," Gingrich said.

He continued: "I think this is the most despicable, dishonest and vicious political effort I've seen in my lifetime."

"She is a trivial politician, viciously using partisanship for the narrowist of purposes, and she dishonors the Congress by her behavior."

"Speaker Pelosi's the big loser, because she either comes across as incompetent, or dishonest. Those are the only two defenses," Gingrich said. "The fact is she either didn't do her job, or she did do her job and she's now afraid to tell the truth."


"I don't think the Speaker of the House can lie to the country on national security matters," Gingrich said.

Though, obviously, he has no problem with the Commander-In-Chief lying to the country on national security matters.

The CIA IS OUT TO GET US!!!!!!

We should all chip in abd buy them tin foil to put inside their hats

Though, obviously, he has no problem with the Commander-In-Chief lying to the country on national security matters.

YEA YEA YEA BLA BLA BLA

Bush Lied My Ass....

Have any proof on that one Sonny Boy?

When is the trial Dip Shit?

Bush Lied My Ass....
#131 | Posted by bashthis

W

M

D

Bush Lied My Ass....
#131 | Posted by bashthis

WHITE HOIUSE ADMITS FABRICATING CASE FOR WAR
www.worldnetdaily.com

BUSH'S LIES ABOUT IRAQ
www.thenation.com

Lie #1--They Attacked Us: Iraq Supported Al Qaeda. Astonishingly, President Bush, in a rare moment of candor, finally admitted half a year after the invasion that there was no evidence Saddam Hussein's Iraq had any links to the 9/11 attacks, undermining eighteen months of implying the exact opposite. Yet in both of his recent big speeches--a brief and rather reserved statement after Saddam's capture and his macho 2004 State of the Union address--Bush again dished out the fundamental lie that the war and occupation of Iraq can reasonably be linked to the "war on terror," even as a new book by ex-Bush Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill described the Bush foreign policy team's consistent obsession with Iraq from the first days of the Administration.

Lies #2 and #3--Imminent Threats: Iraq's Bio-Chem and Nuclear Weapons Programs. A year after using his 2003 State of the Union address to paint Iraq's allegedly vast arsenal of WMD as a grave threat to the United States and the world, Bush wisely avoided mentioning anything about uranium there--though he did spend a great deal of his latest SOTU defending the war on the grounds that "had we failed to act, the dictator's weapons of mass destruction programs would continue to this day." Dick Cheney, in interviews with USA Today and the Los Angeles Times, echoed this fudging--last year "weapons," this year "programs"--declaring that "the jury's still out" on whether Iraq had WMD and that "I am a long way at this stage from concluding that somehow there was some fundamental flaw in our intelligence."
www.thenation.com

Everyone at the CIA and MI6 was saying that Iraq has WMD's They were wrong... Bush didn't lie... You are brainwashed by the press which is a leftist tool...

If there was a shred of proof... Even a spec of proof that the President lied the Dems would have Impeached him in 2006 when they took over both houses...

Bush would be in Jail...

There is no proof because it never happened.

He went into Iraq because he believed that they had the weapons...

They had many at one time but they are gone.

You are a Parrot... You repeat what you hear and read like a good little leftist shit.

You wander through it all whithout enough brain power to look into the facts your self.

You voted for Obama because he promised you this and that and in reality he has backed off of every promise he has made and you don't even know it because you are waiting to hear it on CNN....

You are an Idiot!

You are the one without the proof that he didn't...

#127 | Posted by bashthis

Actually, I did provide proof that your contention about him owning $17 million in their stock was false. You provided a "well what if he did day trading" rebuttal.

And since you've been proven a liar here more than once before, you'll forgive us if we are, uhm, skeptical of your loony claims, Batshit.

"Bush didn't lie..."

You're delusional if you think he told the truth.
But, then again, "truth" is a negotiable term in Bushland.

DIANE SAWYER: But stated as a hard fact, that there were weapons of mass destruction as opposed to the possibility that he could move to acquire those weapons still...

PRESIDENT BUSH: So what's the difference?
www.spectrumz.com

Give it up. The guy's an inveterate liar.

"Have any proof on that one Sonny Boy?"

Well...sure. Don't you, or have you been living under a bridge?

sigh this basthis guy is making me feel bad for being conservative.....
please shut up
seriously

sigh this basthis guy is making me feel bad for being conservative.....
please shut up
seriously
#139 | Posted by TheColonel at 2009-05-15 08:24 PM

Awe.. Home of the "whopper" feeling a little flame broiled? :]

The point is that the CIA didn't provide correct intelligence to Pelosi. She has every right to defend against accusations that she was provided details such as waterboarding, walling, sleep deprivation, burning, drugging, extreme hot/cold/wet/dry, organ failure, lacerations, stress positions and as always the raping of American values by anti-democratic monsters draped in our stars and stripes.

When that debriefing is finally released you will be ashamed. Not any of us who have been decrying the absurdity of defending torture and those who commit it.

ps - anyone with reasonable intelligence have been shamed by your Republican party since long before Regan. You putzes got us into every freakin' warzone you could conceive of - just to profit and sow anti-American dissension.

This debriefing will be stuffed down your throats whether or not you've "lost" your gag reflex at the arcade years back. I hope you all suffer a reckoning of conscience.

All this makes me realize that all the anger and outrage is not about "torture" at all.
It's merely a issue vehicle for the 2010 and 2012 elections.

THE TRUTH is out to get the Democrat liars like Pelosi.

If I were a Repub, I would be careful what I wish for in terms of THE TRUTH.

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