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The ones on the left aren't going to blow themselves up in a crowd of people?

Or maybe...

The motivation of those on the left are to get money for college or get job training while the motivation of the person on the right is to blow up in a crowd of people for Allah.

tons of similarities there.

Yes, and both Justify their actions using an ancient book of fairytales and folklore!

Anyway, are you saying that if we offered college and on the job training to Muslims we wouldn't have a problem with religious extremism?

While #1 AXIOM makes good points, the two pictures together is chilling.

"While #1 AXIOM makes good points"

That he does!
What I find the most interesting is the observation that the "Hope of a Future" is a deterrent to "blowing themselves up in a crowd of people"?

I guess the question remains' --- why doesn't the "right" embrace this Obvious Truth?

Oh, i see they both have guns and books. I bet if you looked a little deeper you might find they use the same brand of toilet paper therefore they are the same type of people, right?

Everything that looks the similar IS the same.
hydrochloric acid and water are a good example of this.

the following also follow this law of nature:
cocaine, riacin, anthrax, aspirin, baby powder and powdered sugar.

lastly, this picture

Yes, and both Justify their actions using an ancient book of fairytales and folklore!

A broad generalization. You can't prove that the two guys on the left are attempting to convert people at gun point. You can't give the context in which the picture was taken. Bible study, perhaps?

Can you show where every soldier, marine, sailor or airman is in the military to be the tip of God's sword? Can you show where every one of them joined up with the desire to spread their religious ideology?

No, you can't.

I can, however, prove that the person on the right plans to yell something about Allah just before he/she detonates the explosives strapped to the vest he/she is wearing. I can prove that the person in the picture on the right believes that they are Allah's weapon to be used however he see's fit. If that means blowing themselves up in a crowd of people as a means to convert/punish more people to/in-the-name-of Islam, so be it.

When Americans start blowing themselves up in town squares while screaming "Praise God", get back to me.

Anyway, are you saying that if we offered college and on the job training to Muslims we wouldn't have a problem with religious extremism?

I'll say the same thing I've always said.

Don't offer them anything. Stay out of their lives, and stay out of their countries. If the people of those countries want oppressive, authoritarian government, let them have it. If they want something different, let them fight for it themselves.

I guess the question remains' --- why doesn't the "right" embrace this Obvious Truth?

I don't know. I'll be sure to ask a righty when I see one, dip shit.

"I don't know. I'll be sure to ask a righty when I see one, dip shit."

#7 | Posted by Axiom at 2009-05-12 12:58 PM


You do that.

Its remarkable how many thin skined pussies are on this board!

"Its remarkable how many thin skined pussies are on this board!"


I sure hope the irony is not completely lost on you.

Its remarkable how many thin skined pussies are on this board!

I'm not thin skinned. I grow tired of correcting stupid assholes who base their interactions with others on assumptions that the other guy must be on the other team.

Don't be surprised.

This is the exact reaction you were looking for, but you were hoping that it would come from someone who can't really defend their position and, instead, basis their beliefs on an invisible man who lives in a floating golden city in the sky.

This is your MO; make outrageous claims that, even you, can't substantiate then feign surprise when someone takes issue with it.

Oh be sure to ignore everything else in my post while you focus in on the one part that gets your panties bunched up. Irrefutable proof that you're not really interested in discussion, which is fine.

Say, I've noticed a lot of name changing going on lately. When's your next name change due up?

"I'm not thin skinned. I grow tired of correcting stupid assholes who base their interactions with others on assumptions that the other guy must be on the other team."

First off, I didn't even infer you were "on the other side"! All I did was ask if you can relate your thoughts, which I thought was spot on, to recognize and thus elaborate that ones hope for the future dictates their susceptibility to Extremism and extremist tactics.
I felt this was a crucial and commendable observation on your part, its too bad you took it as an attack on your person (sheesh)!
I also was hoping that the thread would highlight that for many on this site One More Step to the "right" Means we All are In Burka and Bomb Vest Land!~

Anyway, I see its no issue for you you know, to play the Asshole

"When's your next name change due up?"

Oh, I already have Hundreds, if not Thousands of DR personas! Just ask 101!

Axiom - You have totally missed the point of that picture.

Both images show young people who have been converted to a belief system that allows them to murder in the name of their country first and their faith second.

Do you really think if the middle east was not in constant turmoil and occupation there would be suicide bombers? Suicide is the last refuge when you feel nothing else will take away your pain.

They are both manipulated spiritually and emotionally by a system of governance that accepts violence as necessary to achieve their stated goals. These young kids are fodder for the cause.

There is NO difference between the warriors in either picture.

"If the people of those countries want oppressive, authoritarian government, let them have it. If they want something different, let them fight for it themselves."

#7 | Posted by Axiom

I suspect most Hamas volunteers feel the pressure of an oppresive athoritiarian gov't and that they are trying to fight for something different.

US army sign ups rose after 9-11. Hamas volunteers rise after bombings.

Faith - for both sides, absolves them of the crimes they might not otherwise commit.

Axiom - You have totally missed the point of that picture.

Oh I understand the picture, but I refuse to equate a couple of kids holding books (I can't identify them as bibles, the picture isn't that clear) to someone who, in the name of their god, blows themselves up admid groups of innocent people. In that same picture are other soldiers.

Are those soldiers also holding books? Are those books bibles?

If they are, why are just those two soliders significant? It would seem that if you wanted to make a point about religious extremism, you'd have the entire squad/platoon holding their bibles in the picture.

If those books are not bibles, then there is no point and this is all over nothing. If noone else in the picture is holding a bible, then you've just assigned a value system to an entire group of people based on the actions of a few.

Basically, you've done to soldiers what the Bush Administration did to a whole list of people during the last 8 years. All muslims don't want to behead Americans because of our freedom. All liberals don't hate America, and no one calling for the end of the war is a terrorist sympathizer.

They're just people. Some people who put their faith in a system such as Christianity or Islam. The faith itself does not make someone go out and kill innocent people. That would be indoctrination. Have we got any evidence of large numbers of US soldiers going on another crusade, or are we just making stuff up to suit our agenda?

I felt this was a crucial and commendable observation on your part, its too bad you took it as an attack on your person (sheesh)!

With your track record, can you think of any other possible way to interpret "I guess the question remains' --- why doesn't the "right" embrace this Obvious Truth? "?

If I have misunderstood your post, please accept my apologies. Call it knee-jerk based on past experiences with you.

US army sign ups rose after 9-11. Hamas volunteers rise after bombings.

Do you wish to attribute the bump in recruitment to a sudden duty to God, or is it more likely that people, as in the past, felt a duty to their country when it seemed the country was under attack?

I suspect most Hamas volunteers feel the pressure of an oppresive athoritiarian gov't and that they are trying to fight for something different.

And that's totally fine. Let them fight it out until they either do one or two things. Either they totally decimate themselves or realize that fighting over one interpretation of the Koran versus another is never going to get them anywhere.

The important part of that post, that you didn't acknowledge is WE, the United States of America, do not choose sides and assist one over the other. That's not to say that we do not try to act as mediators in the conflict, but to do so evenly and fairly.

...Not throw off the balance in order to get more oil.

"Don't offer them anything. Stay out of their lives, and stay out of their countries. If the people of those countries want oppressive, authoritarian government, let them have it. If they want something different, let them fight for it themselves."-Axiom

This gets a big AMEN from this agnostic.

Axiom,
You are putting emphasis on the "how" warfare is carried out.

You are not understanding the "why" as why would someone voluntarily join a group who will be killing seemingly innocent people and that includes us.

Put aside the "how" - that really does not matter. You can kill 50 by detonating an explosive belt or you can kill 17 by shooting them or you can kill hundreds by dropping bombs on them. They are still dead.

The "why" is how you win wars. Why is there an insurgency? Why are women now being used as suicide bombers?

The "why" IS indoctrination into a belief system where the individual IS on the side of their country, their god and bringing justice (freedom) to the "other".

I was a part of that, I served during the first Gulf War. Religion is a big part of military indoctrination. It is forced on you. "Our god is greater then their god so we must be on the side of righteousness." It is no different since men began warring.

I've never been in the military, so I'll have to take your word for it.

that said, military men and women fight because someone points across a battlefield and says "there is your enemy, make them dead or make them surrender". If anyone is motivated by religious beliefs, it would be those people or the people above them, not the grunts on the ground.

that's not to say that there aren't hundreds of thousands of soldiers, marines, airmen or sailors who believe in a god, but I have a hard time believing that they're doing it because their bible commands them to.

Perhaps that was your experience. Are you saying that the same experience is shared for everyone else? Is it possible to hold a belief in a higher power, be in the military and not go to war in the name of your god?

What about all of the atheist and agnostic soldiers who go to war and kill seemingly innocent people? Are they indoctrinated into this belief system that "my god is better than their god?" as well?

#18 | Posted by Axiom

I am sorry to say that everyone goes through indoctrination, it is the individuals belief system that either allows it to stick or not. I mostly slept during church as it was not my denomination (evangelical christianity).

I think the military thinks it makes death more acceptable if you are closer to god (either theirs or yours or your buddies, they are in a better place type of thing).

I agree that most GI's don't go to war because of their religious beliefs but in time of high stress and uncertainty one's belief system just may keep them sane and give them purpose so it becomes a larger part of their lives.

I agree that most GI's don't go to war because of their religious beliefs but in time of high stress and uncertainty one's belief system just may keep them sane and give them purpose so it becomes a larger part of their lives.

Never closer to God than when yer near death?

Makes sense.

Also worth considering:

It's easier to get someone to die for a cause if they believe in an afterlife.

Be Well.

On Guns: Essential for zombie disposal and defense against car antenna-wielding madmen.

On Gods: Essential inventions of man that are useful for keeping people in line

On Bibles: Essential for rolling when you run out of papers and the quick-e-mart is closed.

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