Franken stole the election fair and square, and we need more libtards in the Senate so that the Republicans are less to blame. Al Franken is such a joke of a candidate he actually manages to make Reid and Pelosi seem austere and statesmanlike in comparison. And THAT is amazing.

Send him to Washington!

Something like "Franken stole the election fair and square" emanating from the Far Ultra-RightIsRight illustrates what the word chutzpah means. Even Republicans urge loser (yes, narrowly) Coleman to step down now, but the diehards of rigidity, whose election thefts led to the eight years which put the country irretrievably into the toilet, rant on. herm

"Franken stole the election fair and square..."

#1 | Posted by acompletefuckingidiot

RIR

The republicans need to get out of the way like the dems did for them. The dems let the reps have their way except on the most egregious offenses to the country, like the Harriet Meirs appointment o the USSC. I would think that if you really believed the dems are wrong, you should let them prove it, and then show up with a better plan. That's what the dems did for the last 8 years. The better plan is here---so the dems say--are you afraid they are correct? Do you imagine they can possibly do worse than Bush? I think you are looking at it personally, and because you voted for Bush, you simply can't admit your mistake in judgement, and will stick with it till the end, no matter what the reality. If the dems manage to bring the economy and job situation back to progressive numbers, you would still find some reason to claim victory for the reps and failure for the dems.

I think Franken has about 30 years left in him. How about yourself? The numbers won't be close the next time around.

one thing franken will do in the senate

be the ugliest sumbitch in the whole place.

he is one homely man.......

NOT THAT THERES anything wrong with that.

RIGHT BOB O RENO??????????????????? lol

be the ugliest sumbitch in the whole place.

#5 | Posted by afkabl2

uglier than waxman? nobody's uglier than waxman.

I think Franken has about 30 years left in him. How about yourself? The numbers won't be close the next time around.

#4 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob
* * *

Sure. Why not 50?

Give Dems this much. Once they find a guy, they hold on to him for dear life. The Senate Dems are a nursing home full of guys who are in their 70s and 80s, and who manage to make "Nobody messes with Joe" Biden seem wise and youthful by comparison. And that is really something.

well lip.......Yes...and frankens nose is the decider.........even wazman doesnt have a nose THAT big

Everyone raised hell except for Harry Reid and Bush, who both thought she was a good pick.

"Once they find a guy, they hold on to him for dear life."

I had no idea Strom Thurmnond was a Democrat. After 1964, of course. Thanks for clearing that up for me.

What got Harriet Myers tossed overboard was the right. Conservatives, not libs, raised hell.
The eventual SCOTUS appointees were one of the few areas where conservatives and Bush aligned.

I love it "aligned", translated when Bush nominated Myers he actually thought he was President until he was shown differently.

The eventual SCOTUS appointees were one of the few areas where conservatives and Bush aligned.

Number of bills vetoed by Bush 2001-2007 GOP Congress

0

You know you're in trouble when you start going after a guy's nose.

Oorah-
I'm not sure what conservatism is anymore. Pro-torture, pro-warrantless wiretapping? Pro-being lied into wars; anti-gay, anti-immigrant, anti-"lib", anti-science, anti-intellectual; pro- authoritarian as long as there's a Republican in the Oval Office, but shrieking libertarian patriots when they lose an election to a black muslim non-citizen Manchurian candidate fascist/communist/atheist?
If you can tell me, I'd much appreciate it.

Oh, I forgot about the mustard. If you can help me out with that one, too...

That's why Dems are now in power. I don't expect Dems to vote Rep...

OOHRAH

I voted for Lamar Alexander for Senate - twice. He was a good governor, is a principled and good hearted person. Republican.

The mistake the Republican Party has made is chasing out all the moderates. With their abysmal record on 'conservative' governance, they're only left with narrow wedge issues the public doesn't support by a majority. Even Barry Goldwater, godfather of modern conservatism said "It's none of my business what a woman does with her body". Then there's Newt and Co railing against Clinton for his sexual misdeeds - all the while boffing his assistant as his wife lay in the hospital.

Why is it deficits were sky high under only Republican Presidents since Ronald Reagan? They account for all but $600 billion (Clinton's grand total for 8 years) since Ronald Reagan took office - with a national debt of $250 billion?

The GOP's claims of 'fiscal conservatism' are malarkey.

Bend over and bite a burrito, I will tell you all about it.

LipZ: uglier than waxman? nobody's uglier than waxman.

Au contraire, mon frere.

Spud, is Waxman running for premier?

I didn't know he changed citizenship.

Speaking of ugly, I dated a girl who was half Eskimo and half Chinese

Her name was Ug Lee

Anti-intellectual. How so? Is this the global warming issue, for example? The left postures itself as the smartest folk in the room... and condescendingly decries any differing views from the right.

Reminds me of when I moved to Nashville. I am a highly trained musician and composer who reads and writes music fluently. I can also play country music like nobody's business.

Example of comments made to me with my never having said a word: "I took lessons until it started messin' up my playin'."

Condescension is in the eye of the beholder. All in all though, the comments right wingers make all over the internet and on TV are glaringly stupid.

Not referring to you, OOHRAH. Just making a point that people with a chip on their shoulder will say almost anything when their defenses are up and they can't come up with something tangivle.

Oohrah-
You're an honest person, and I respect that. Allow me to tackle the first issue: torture

Waterboarding has got all of the media in a twitter, but waterboarding is not the issue per se. The issue is that we reverse-engineered SERE training to use on prisoners. The SERE training arose to prepare some in the military for what they could expect if captured by a nation that tortured in order to extract false confessions. The methods demonstrated in the SERE program were not limited to waterboarding, but rather were modeled on a regimen of torture that the chi-coms used against our own people. Under the Bush admin. these techniques of torture spread throughout the military detention centers in Guantanamo, Abu Grhaib, Bagram, etc.
The accounts of prisoners under our control are remarkably similar to the treatment McCain recieved and accounts such as this obituary of a US airman captured by the chi-coms in the Korean War:

Oorah-
One thing we've learned in recent weeks is that directives from Rumsfeld, the WH, and the DOJ regarding the treatment of prisoners declared the Geneva Conventions "quaint". Unfortunately, it is now clear that the abuses at Abu Ghraib were not the work of a few "bad apples", but of policy filtering down from the highest levels.

Here's an interesting post from Andrew Sullivan:

My larger point is that intelligence/book smarts alone is not an indicator of much but that.

Based on the right wingers I've seen posting online education is a bad word they associate with 'elitism'. They haven't learned much from real world experience either. For instance, point out that all but $600 billion of the $11 TRILLION national debt was incurred under Republican Presidents, government grew 40% under a total GOP control of Congress and the WH, and they'll STILL insist it was the Democrats.

I have a very good formal education, but that has nothing to do with my knowledge of history and current events. If someone chooses to remain uneducated about recent history or current events - only getting their 'news' from Rush approved sources and not the dreaded "Mainstream Media" - they have only themselves to blame when people who know what any 12 year old with a curious mind can seek out roll their eyes.

It's really too late for you to be unaware of all of this, Oohrah. I feel half-stupid for even having to point it out, and I don't guess I quite understand why you would defend a policy of torture.

"Franken pulling down Pawlenty?"

If one is having trouble swimming, they should let go of the anchor.

Oohrah-
re: My understanding is the Geneva Conventions applies to those who've signed on to it...

Your understanding is wrong.

re: Since we waterboard our own folks I don't see it rising to the level of torture.

You see no difference in preparing our military for the techniques used by torturers and torturing?

Really? Think about that for about two seconds, as you clearly have not devoted even that much time or thought to the question. I expect such from Rex, but not from you.

It seems as though waterboarding has saved lives.

#33 | Posted by OohRah at 2009-05-09 04:26 PM | Reply | Flag:

...according to the people who signed off on it and are guilty of war crimes.

But again, you ignore all of the evidence that waterboarding was merely one specific method of other methods of torture used wholesale and approved by the "conservative" in the WH (and perhaps by Democratic members of congress retroactively).

My understanding is the Geneva Conventions applies to those who've signed on to it...

Not only is your understanding of the Geneva Conventions wrong, but torture violates US domestic law and numerous other treaties, which carry the force of US law. As much as you may like to think that torturing only bad people is legal in any sense, you are wrong.

Here again, no one is suggesting we pull the fingernails out or break bones as a regular part of one's custody.

Of course not. Those methods would leave physical marks, which is why the Chi-coms used the methods they used.

"Yes, no? "

No.

Any questions?

You're as stupid as Americanunity.

My son was in a gas chamber without a mask to know what it's like to feel the effects of gas.

Navy seals and others undergo waterboarding to be better able to mentally withstand the ordeal.

They do that training because they might be tortured some day if captured by a ruthless enemy that utilizes torture.

Like us, now, and with your eager consent.

Again, though, Oohrah:

You see no difference in preparing our military for the techniques used by torturers and torturing?

I find that hard to believe.

Oohrah-

re: "Question - would you give the order for waterboarding if you had very good reason to believe the prisoner had info which would help you save your son/daughter from an impending terrorist attack? Yes, no? "

The methods adopted by the Bus/Cheney admin. were used by the Chi-coms to illicit false confessions. I fail to see how those very methods would be of any use in any arena but on a fictional TV show.

We'll have to disagree on the torture issue.

Apparently so.

You are for torture, and I am against it.

"elicit"

Waterboarding, as I've acknowledged, is closer to torture than simply blaring Barry Manilow 24/7... but does it rise to the level of torture? Under whose definition?

Our own, at Nuremberg, for example, and in the memos from the JPRA who stated that the preparation they gave soldiers was to withstand torture techniques used by torturers. Back when we didn't torture.

But, as you fail to understand the difference between being a prisoner and being an elite military member trained to withstand the abuses of people who "hate us for our freedoms" and our decency and rule of law, I'm not sure if we are ever to agree on anything.

You're as stupid as Americanunity.

#41 | Posted by Zatoichi

And you say this because I rightfully point out booths at gun shows are not all licensed gun dealers, but many who are 'private sellers'?

No wonder people think you're such an insufferable know it all jerk.

Let's see that picture of your cat ONE more time, eh?

"If something is torture, then we aren't going to do that to our own soldiers. "

Please tell us you know the difference between training being done among colleagues who know the "stop" signal and being tortured by enemies in a foreign country with no knowledge of what may come next.

I did some looking into the GConventions... are you sure there's no stipulation for what constitutes an army or a soldier?

Yes, but there are overriding guidelines on the treatment of any prisoner.

Danforth-
Indeed. I was actually surprised Oohrah used this argument, until I understood that what he was doing was defending torture in any way he possibly could. I came to expect better.

So is the answer "no" in #45? If you had credible information that an Al-qaeda dude had info on a plot to kill your child...

What would you do?

I suppose the answer you want is that I would use torture methods used by the Chi-coms to elicit false confessions?

Or were you looking for a specific example from a popular TV show?

If you had credible information that an Al-qaeda dude had info on a plot to kill your child...

What episode and season was that plot device, and what did Jack Bauer do in 48 minutes to make the audience feel all better?

What would you do?
I suppose the answer you want is that I would use torture methods used by the Chi-coms to elicit false confessions?
Or were you looking for a specific example from a popular TV show?

The question if honesty asked would be What would you do if you were Jack Bauer or James Bond?

Oo,
Would you renounce your god and live your life renouncing your faith if it would save your child?

What I'm asking is whether you'd waterboard someone under any circumstance. Would you, even if it were your own child?

We disagree on whether waterboarding rises to the level of waterboarding. Neither of us is in support of torture.

Posted by OohRah at 2009-05-09 05:38 PM | Reply

What is it with You Right WInged assholes. Why do You support Torture. Waterboarding IS Torture OohRah for Christ sake dude We convicted Japanese for waterboarding. Why do You right wingers hate America so damned bad?? America abhors Torture. We condemn Torture. We proisecute torturers. Please OohRah w22hy do You support terroristic tactics??

Larry

I'm not sure if waterboarding rises to the level of waterboarding, which is a war crime. But you, my friend, are not only in support of torture, but are quite eager to justify it by any means - no matter how ridiculous and fictional.

No need to go down that path.

LOL Same old Oo I lead the way and no deviations, just answer the questions..

Again who made you the moderator?

No need to go down that path. There are critical pieces of info which certain enemy combatants possess. You know that as well as I.

What would you do if one of those affected soldiers happened to be your child or your spouse?

#59 | Posted by OohRah at 2009-05-09 05:42 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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Thats laughable and You know ikt. Why has AMerica and Americans turned tov shitstains??? Why do those who proclaim they are good Christians forget Matthew Chapter 5 verses

43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.

44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?

47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?

48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

Larry

What if I were Batman, and "they" had my love interest?

Why, I'd do ANYTHING that the script required!

Batman don't fuck around, but then Batman don't set policy for the USA and its armed forces, who now have the reputation as torturers, because they tortured wholesale at the direction of simple frightened men who, in a panic at having not prevented the greatest attack on US soil, had the depth of understanding of a used ticket stub to an old John Wayne movie.

How in the world did Clinton prevent another attack after the 1993 WTC bombing two months into his Presidency without waterboarding? How is it he caught every bomber and successfully caught the mastermingd all the way in Pakistan without engaging in tactics considered torture by everyone in the free world but Bush voters?

He and I disagree whether waterboarding rises to the level of torture.

We don't disagree. You disagree with everyone since the Spanish Inquisition, and I just note that fact.

" Neither Dubya nor the Rep controlling Congress consistently upheld traditional conservative values."

Oh, please....

Bush was the darling of the conservatives when he was elected, the poster boy when he cut taxes again and again, and the champion of the conservatives when he nominated Alito and Roberts. It's only when his Iraq and Economic policies turned south the Conservatives started conveniently pretending he wasn't really one of them.

Thanks for playing, ZAP. I was speaking with BET. He and I disagree whether waterboarding rises to the level of torture.

Indeed, I almost spewed coffee out my nose when In read you equate a training water board simulation to the real thing.

Good luck with that!

So Oo, I'm sure your ready to deny your faith to save your child?

I'm sorry, Oohrah. We can't just move on from that. We're not talking about the estate tax, or household exemptions for bathroom repairs, etc.

Let's move on.

LOL

"So, no, I wouldn't deny Christ in order to save my child."

So then...why do you expect others to?

I've not been in that situation. As I sit here my full intention is that my Lord comes first, family second. So, no, I wouldn't deny Christ in order to save my child.

Indeed, Sorry about your child. In a very real sense you were asking the same thing. Does one put ones values before ones child.

I'm quite sure if I were James Bond I would water board the bastard save the child and get the girl.

The FBI considered waterboarding to be torture and would have nothing to do with it. "Information" gained under torture is not considered reliable, as they well know. Call it what you want. The international community calls it 'torture'. The United States did until Bush and Cheney said it wasn't.

Why are some right wingers so afraid of Muslims half a world away that they're willing to throw our value system down the toilet? I thought Republicans were supposed to be tough guys in white hats. At least that's been the line of propaganda where "Freedom" and "Democracy" are the two most important words. The past 15 years every time you turn around they're saying one thing and doing another.

I'm not trying to be dismissive or evasive. I might with another poster, but not here. I'm simply stating that you are in denial about what has occurred, and how devastating it is for every good the US once championed.

Another time. Have a good weekend.

"Where do you think I'd expect others to do it?"

You keep putting forth scenarios where your child is in danger, and then expecting others to torture --and deny Christ in the process -- to save him. Then you claim you wouldn't deny Christ via the use of torture. Why the disconnect?

What do you mean? We have a free choice as to whether deny Christ or not at the critical point. Where do you think I'd expect others to do it?

Clearly when they are waterboarded.

Your point is crystal clear, Danforth.

Waterboarding IS torture. Has been for eons now. Only people desperate enough to justify the Unjustifiable like the Illegal War of aggression in Iraq would say it's not torture. I am in awe at anyone who can sit there and say Waterboarding ain't torture when we convicted Japanese for WATERBOARDING. WHAT HAPPENED TO MY COUNTRY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Larry

"I wouldn't deny Christ in order to save my child."

#74 | Posted by OohRah

That's just downright revolting.

And while I'm being completely disgusted with ol' Oohrah, I'd really like to know how much torture would be required to get him to deny christ.

Denying him french fries with his cheeseburger should do it.

I'd have to think my Heavenly Father would understand the circumstances involved and know it wasn't my true feeling.

Gotcha after all its a religion of convenience anyway. God should really have given Jesus a break with that whole crucifix thing.

What's a little denial for a true believer you can make it up on Sunday.

And therein lies a problem with torture (and I don't view waterboarding as torture as I understand its application) - saying something simply to get it to stop. Simply getting me to deny something is a far cry from the scenarios under which we used it with terrorists, IMO.

#91 | Posted by OohRah at 2009-05-10 06:58 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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Waterboardiung IS Torture for Christ Sakes oohRah. You support torture yet are unwilling to admit to it.

From Larry's article:

"There's just no doubt in my mind under any set of rules waterboarding is torture," Tom Ridge said Friday in an interview. Ridge had offered the same opinion earlier in the day to members of the American Bar Association at a homeland security conference.

"One of America's greatest strengths is the soft power of our value system and how we treat prisoners of war, and we don't torture," Ridge said in the interview.

It is considered a form of torture by legal experts,[4][5] politicians, war veterans,[6][7] intelligence officials,[8] military judges,[9] and human rights organizations.[10][11] As early as the Spanish Inquisition it was used for interrogation purposes, to punish and intimidate, and to force confessions.[12]

But not to Oohrah.

Goddam disgusting is what it is.

But not to Oohrah.
Goddam disgusting is what it is.

Hey, hey, hey, 'disgusting' enough all ready.

Oo has his moral compass, it just,,, adjustable...

Franken! another shining example of the great talent we have in the democratic party. Just stocked full of people who only want the best for the country.

Question - would you give the order for waterboarding if you had very good reason to believe the prisoner had info which would help you save your son/daughter from an impending terrorist attack?

#39 | Posted by OohRah

Would you rape the child of a suspect in front of his eyes under the same circumstances?

Are there NO limits to how far you would go?

The limits my side is suggesting are the ones to which we are signatories, and are the law of the land.

Franken stole the election fair and squareSend him to Washington!

#1 | Posted by rightisright at 2009-05-09 09:43 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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Boo Fuckin Hoo....

Aint no fucking republican going to tell me that he/she can spot an election being stold from a mile away...

Speaking of stolen elections... nevermind...

Franken is the ultimate perversion of celebrity.

Just because we pay to see these idiots perform does not mean we give a fucking rat's god damn ass what their cause of the week is, what their political affiliations are, what color the rubber band on their wrists are, or who they vote for.

I resent the HELL out of these bastards leveraging their celebrity to get into public office...

I resent the HELL out of these bastards leveraging their celebrity to get into public office...

Ronnie Raygun....

I resent the HELL out of these bastards leveraging their celebrity to get into public office...

Yeah, Fuck Reagan! Fuck Shwarzeneggar! Fuck Sonny Bono! Fuck Fred "GOPher" Grandy! Fuck Fred Thompson!

What about beauty pageant runners-up who manage to shake their tits at a bunch drunken Alaskans and get elected Governor?

Man, now there's a real perversion of celebrity right there.

In case you hadn't guessed, Ari, that was Spud being snarcastic.

Truth is, everybody is entitled to their opinions even celebrities.

Spud has a lot more respect for a celebrity who takes a principled political stand than a retard like Britney Spears who sez shit like "We should just trust the President".

Celebrities who hide their politics in order to purely promote themselves and their projects and in order to avoid making waves that might have negative repercussions on their careers are the ones that Spud has little to no respect for.

In short, yer an idiot.

K?

Be Well.

California, the golden state of milk and honey flowing freely down the middle of streets, has had several so-called celebrities polevault into office by way of their stardom: Ronnie Raygun, Sonny Bono, George Murphy and Arnie the exTerminator. It is safe to say that none of the above has the remotest clue about what to do once in office.

Ooey's great hypothetical: would I commit a gross immorality to keep a gross immorality from being committed against my loved ones? I can't really say if I value my progeny more than my integrity. I have no idea how I would respond when the chips are down. But if I sacrificed my basic human decency to save someone else, I could surely never live with myself again. herm

Minnesota deserves an idiot like Franken.

Celebrities who hide their politics in order to purely promote themselves and their projects and in order to avoid making waves that might have negative repercussions on their careers are the ones that Spud has little to no respect for.
~Spud

I'm not sure why celebrities should be obligated to promote their politics. Does being a puppet on stage give them better insight into politics and a more informed world view?

Minnesota deserves an idiot like Franken.

#104 | POSTED BY ACLUSUX

You may not like him but idiot doesn't really fit now does it.

"I'm not sure why celebrities should be obligated to promote their politics."

Hardly obligated, but just as free to speak as are Zap and herm. That said, we might add a footnote about folks who feel like they SHOULD listen because these celebs once played George Gipp or Danny DeVito's twin. herm

I'm not sure why celebrities should be obligated to promote their politics. Does being a puppet on stage give them better insight into politics and a more informed world view?

Celebrities for good or evil have something regular folks don't got, which is to say "people's attention".

EVERYBODY is entitled to their opinion and the more informed it is, the better, obviously.

Since celebs already have an audience the only real question is "wot are they gonna do with it?"

Spud sez spending their celebrity points on raising awareness of various issues and supporting worthy causes is a good use of their bully pulpit.

Spud also sez Celebs who purely use their time in the spotlight to promote themselves and not spend their celebrity points on othe more worthy topics than themselves are selfish biatches.

The obligation is a mortal one, Zap.

You can either see that or you can't.

Either way biatching about a celebrity because they happen to empassioned enough about a topic near and dear to their hearts is a foolish argument, one that Spud has heard re-iterated far too often in blogworld to ignore.

Nobody is saying the celebs have any special insights into the issues that others don't have merely that their words on such subjects are heard by more people than the words of you or Spud.

Spud suggests that with that power comes some degree of responsibility.

Spud encourages dialogue and debate not just passivity in the minds of the electorate.

Spud encourages people to look beond their own selfish needs and wants and to try and connect to something bigger than themselves.

Not just famous people but everybody.

You wanna debate a celebs politics or positions fine go ahead that's yer right and Spud is encourage you to do so.

But if you try and say that celebs don't have a right to speak their minds or espouse political causes or ackowledge their pre-build public soap box then you automatically earn Spud's scorn.

K?

Be Well.

mortal = moral there.

Le Oops.

/There are other typos there too but that's the biggest one.

Be Well.

But if you try and say that celebs don't have a right to speak their minds or espouse political causes or ackowledge their pre-build public soap box then you automatically earn Spud's scorn.
~Zap

I'm not saying that anyone doesn't have a right, however I don't see a moral Obligation. An obligation because they're in the public eye? Some are probably intellectually up for it, some think they are but are empty suits or skirts. Most like the limelight or they would have chosen a different profession. A professional moral obligation is a pilot or subway engineer showing up rested and sober, it doesn't transcend to a thespian waxing poetic about something they may have only given a passing thought.

Italic's quote is of course Dethspud's

Being resolute in trying to win the war...

Really? which one? Certainly not afghanistan. And he pretty much clusterfucked Iraq. Maybe you mean his war on the middle class. That he really worked at.

And oorah-lowering taxes on kennyboy lay and Bernie madoff really wasn't the best idea, as history has shown...

Being resolute in trying to win the war...
~Oo

Yes indeed North Guy the 6 month war they almost blew and how did they solve the problem by going back to the requirements stated at the outset by the Generals who got fired for stating the truth.

The Bush years where truth went to die.

I'm not saying that anyone doesn't have a right, however I don't see a moral Obligation. An obligation because they're in the public eye?

~Zap

No, not because they are in the public eye, that's incidental to their obligations as moral beings.

Everybody has a moral obligation to conduct themelves in a moral fashion in thought, word and deed to the best of their ability.

The fact that they are in the public eye with a ready made audience and prebuilt bully pulpit magnifies that obligation for celebrities but it doesn't originate it. Free Will does that.

Some are probably intellectually up for it, some think they are but are empty suits or skirts.

Agree, there are a lot of fools out there.

Most like the limelight or they would have chosen a different profession. A professional moral obligation is a pilot or subway engineer showing up rested and sober, it doesn't transcend to a thespian waxing poetic about something they may have only given a passing thought.

Again, it's not a function or obligation of their chosen professions that Spud is talking about. It's the understanding that their celebrity magnifies their opinions to a sometime ridiculous degree. It's a recognition of the power they have and how they choose to utilise it. Largely wot Spud is on about here is how so many people, largely but not exclusively on the right, belittle celebrities who chose to spend their celebrity making a difference by promoting causes other than themselves.

Spud is trying to reverse the ill thought out meme that this is somehow a bad thing and also trying to get people to realise that the folks who do this are genuinely trying to use their power and time in the limelight in a manner that goes beyond the selfish and that they deserve kudos rather than scorn. Also it follows that the reverse is true as well.

Celebutards who only promote themselves are the ones who deserve the scorn not the politically active and aware ones who act in an unselfish manner.

Even Chuck "the Creationist" Norris, in his own rtarded way, is trying to effect a difference with his celebrity and while Spud may find his politics and positions as laughable and poorly thought out as his career Spud reserves his scorn for Chuck's positions not the fact that he is a celebrity using his fame to try and effect change.

Hope the above explanation made a degree of sense to you.

Be Well.

Hope the above explanation made a degree of sense to you.
~Spud

You have been throughly clear. I don't totally agree on a number of your points, but I do understand your position.

Celebutards who only promote themselves are the ones who deserve the scorn not the politically active and aware ones who act in an unselfish manner.

Regardless of political aspirations if they don't promote themselves they won't prosper in their chosen field of endeavor. I hardly think self promotion for an actor is something to be scorned. The rest as you say is free will.

It's the understanding that their celebrity magnifies their opinions to a sometime ridiculous degree.
~Spud

That is a matter of fact it is however clearly a failing of their shallow minded public alone.

Regardless of political aspirations if they don't promote themselves they won't prosper in their chosen field of endeavor.

Spud's not really talking about political aspirations just political positions.

The "won't prosper" thing is true of almost everybody, celebs, politicians and working stiffs alike. We are all our own number one fan and promoter. Wallflowers traditionally get wot the littlest pig got, which is to say, hind tit.

I hardly think self promotion for an actor is something to be scorned. The rest as you say is free will.

Obviously self promotion in an actor or anybody is nothing to be scorned. Wot Spud is talking about is people who ONLY self promote and NEVER try to think beyond themselves. That degree of selfishness deserves scorn no matter wot you do fer a living.

shallow minded public

Not everybody who listens to or is a fan of an actor or singer or dancer or painter or wotever is shallow.

Just a depressingly large number of them.

Be Well.

Good Pawlenty is just a GOP talking head in Minnesota and is clearly going the way the rest of the GOP is...out.

Franken is a good man. I met him when he was running last summer. He has Minnesota's best interests at hand and is very knowledgeable.

To those that try and glean an emotional response in support of torture IE the "Ticking Time Bomb" senario. Our Country's Policies must not be based upon emotional states of being. How can ANY sound policy be declared when emotion is injected into it?? Our Country must not torture anyone. Not only is it Illegal under US Law it is also Illegal as per the Geneva Conventions and the Conventions against Torture. It's also not good for us and it's certainly not good for our troops. I still can not believe in this day and age where this Country SHOULD have matured is falling so far backwards it's genuinely hard to recognize Her. We are supposed to be the standard bearer on how others should treat their POW's. How can We declare ourselves the Beacon of Freedom when we do dastardly things held in our captivity??

Larry

My argument is that Reps haven't governed as conservatives. Conservatism will win when espoused confidently and consistently.

I heard that argument before but from the communists when the east german part broke down and joined the west part: Socialists haven't governed as communists. Communism will win when espoused confidently and consistently.

LOL

"Franken pulling down Pawlenty" Says MSNBC Poll.

BLLSHIT!

Do the right thing and have another election. Franken the CLOWN would lose.

BLLSHIT!

Do the right thing and have another election. Franken the CLOWN would lose.

If you don't I'm taking my ball and going home!!!!!!!!!

Do the right thing and have another election.
#123 | Posted by ozzieoswald at 2009-05-11 07:57 AM | Reply | Flag: Because My Guy Lost

" Neither Dubya nor the Rep controlling Congress consistently upheld traditional conservative values."

Oh, please....

Bush was the darling of the conservatives when he was elected, the poster boy when he cut taxes again and again, and the champion of the conservatives when he nominated Alito and Roberts. It's only when his Iraq and Economic policies turned south the Conservatives started conveniently pretending he wasn't really one of them.

#69 | Posted by Danforth at 2009-05-09 05:56 PM

Spud has a lot more respect for a celebrity who takes a principled political stand than a retard like Britney Spears who sez shit like "We should just trust the President".

#102 | Posted by dethspud at 2009-05-10 02:43 PM

No left leaning actor would ever have such blind trust in Obama.

#128 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2009-05-11 11:38 AM | Reply |

Especially not anything like pledging our allegiance to The One.
-Ashton and Demi

Point is, for Christians... it's Christ first... then other aspects of life. And if, under torture or imminent threat of murder, I denied Christ to save my sons... I'd have to think my Heavenly Father would understand the circumstances involved and know it wasn't my true feeling.

And therein lies a problem with torture (and I don't view waterboarding as torture as I understand its application) - saying something simply to get it to stop. Simply getting me to deny something is a far cry from the scenarios under which we used it with terrorists, IMO.

#91 | Posted by OohRah at 2009-05-10

This is a crazy scenario--one that Mohammed did to thousands and thousands of Cristians and Jews and other non-muslims when he was trying to kill the world for his domination of islam.

Oohrah--under this scenario you and your sons would be dead no matter what.

"Take us Lord!"

As to this thread--

Franken is a man in diapers for his whole life.

And Waxman is the ugliest man on the planet.

Franken may get there--close though.

And Franken has nothing to do with Pawlenty approval/disapproval ratings.

#130 | Posted by MURPHY

And Franken has nothing to do with Pawlenty approval/disapproval ratings.

#131 | Posted by MURPHY

Of course he does. The majority of MN's want Coleman to give it up and for Franken to be seated. That number will only increase when the state Supreme Court upholds the election results. If Pawlenty continues to refuse to certify Franken as the winner, his ratings will drop like a stone.

"Conservatives were happy when he did conservative things, like cutting taxes and nominating conservative supreme court judges."

Is it really conservative to cut taxes and start borrowing??? I don't think so.

Is it really conservative to cut taxes and start borrowing??? I don't think so.

#134 | Posted by danni at 2009-05-11 01:22 PM

"Franken stole the election fair and square..."

#1 | Posted by rightisright

And you are supposed to be some kind of smart guy?

You day in and day out display the ugly ignorance of the right wing moonbats.

Keep selling!

What they say they want and what they give a pass to (for partisan gain) aren't the same thing, of course.
#135 | POSTED BY LIVE_OR_DIE AT 2009-05-11 02:16 PM |
So why don't "conservatives" hold them accountable for lying?

Britney Spears who sez shit like "We should just trust the President".
#102 | Posted by dethspud at 2009-05-10 02:43 PM

Well you have to give the source consideration.

So why don't "conservatives" hold them accountable for lying?

#137 | Posted by JimmyWallback at 2009-05-11 07:23 PM