Now, if they follow that up with a little Black Sabbath...

Hey it may be an anti religious song but it could be turned into a very religious one without changing the lyrics.

Larry

I love that song and am a lennon fan.But Craig Ferguson cracked me up when he said his mother said "yes imagine how awful it would be"

Don't worry. It's cool. Dan Brown's on the case.

You can bet whereever John Lennon is now it ain't Heaven.

Oh? You got the list of the 144,000 elect, do ya Reb?

"Imagine" has to be one of the 10 most overrated songs in history. "Stairway to Heaven" sucks, too. If there is a heaven, I hope they aren't playing that crap if I go there.

"yes imagine how awful it would be"

#4 | Posted by bruceaz at 2009-05-09 06:41 AM | Reply | Flag

It wouldn't be awful at all. No fear of hell--no wars over national boundaries. Religion is the cancer of Mankind. Humanity standing on its own two feet rather than hoping some imaginary sky god will help them take care of themselves. Humans on their knees to various concepts of a sky god shows the pathetic future on humanity, and how the last human will die---on his knees praying for help rather than on his feet helping himself.

Imagine there's no Heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today

Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace

You may say that I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as one

Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world

You may say that I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will live as one

#8 | Posted by anton

Don't worry, you'll get to listen to your rap and techno there too.

Mr.Letusprey... The 144000 that you refer to is Jehovah Witness doctrine. The 144000 are really Jews that were 12000 taken from the 12 tribes of Israel. (Revelation 7:4-8.)

"I'd had a lovely meal so I said to my wife: 'That piece of halibut was good enough for Jehovah!'"

What a shame these so-called christian decision makers.... becoming irrelevant in the attempt to become relevant... I know where John Lennon went, but I'm not sure where these people will go: for who knows they may yet repent of their folly some day --- for Jesus will forgive failures, but denials to the end will find no forgiveness (2 Tim 2:12-13).

Can someone explain to me where, according to Christians, Adam and Eve and Moses and the rest are, since they never had a chance to accept Jesus into their lives? If they were grandfathered in, was the same privilege afforded to Cain and the residents of Sodom and Gomorrah?

Follow-up: Where do the aborted fetuses go? If they make it to heaven, do they get a chance to grow up? Or are there whole sections of heaven that look like The Matrix, where the fetuses and miscarriages are kept in some sort of incubator system for all eternity?

Snoofy, Moses is in heaven (Matthew 17:1-3) --- though he was denied entry into Canaan, he later appeared in the transfiguration and finally landed in Canaan.

Adam and Eve? Implied that they were shown the way back to God via animal sacrifice (blood: something dying on their behalf): Genesis 4:3-7, Hebrews 11:4.

Cain did it hiw way and missed the mark --- "I did it my way".

Animal sacrifice: provisional until the perfect, sinless, ultimate sacrifice takes place (John 1:29; Hebrews 10:10). ONCE AND FOR ALL. No more sacrifices required.

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Aborted fetuses? They go to heaven and wait for their parents (if they make it too). Relationship is continued in heaven.

All babies go to heaven!

The babies grow!--- but not according to earthly time.

Thank you for the answers Takitez.

With respect to the fetuses, babies, and their life after death, do you have reference to Scripture? Job 3:16 seems to be saying something different... but I have a pretty poor track record of reading the words of the Bible and understanding them to mean what I've been told they mean.

The cute line I repeat again and again is that you don't know, I don't know and Pope Benny doesn't know. I will not stake my remaining days on the off chance that some Source Of All cares if I wear a necktie on Sunday morning. Still, like Las Vegas - which doesn't know either - I do the ego thing and post some odds. No lawsuit allowed if I'm proven wrong. (That proof is unlikely.)

Chances of a deity, some sort of "intelligent creator," being out there: 1 in 8.
Chances that a radical reformer named Jesus actually walked the earth: 4 in 5.
Chances that this dude was really a deity, turned water into wine,
raised the dead and was resurrected: 1 in 100,000.
Chances of a Moses having lived to lead his people out of Egypt: 1 in 3.
Chances of a Moses having parted the Red Sea and received stone tablets
from On High while tripping on Mount Sinai, 1 in 458,712,
Chances of there being a heaven where you go after you die: 1 in a million.
Chances of a heaven where you go after you die if you're good: 1 in 10 million.
Chances of a hell, where you go for all eternity if you're bad: 1 in 100 million.
Chances of there being seraphims, cherubims and archangels, 1 in 200 million.
Chances if you add Satan, virgins, Republicans and hobgoblins, 1 in 50 million

Actually, there's a symbol for infinity, a kind of figure 8 lying on its back. The odds against the last six are one over that figure. herm

Aborted fetuses? They go to heaven and wait for their parents (if they make it too). Relationship is continued in heaven.

#15 | Posted by takitez at 2009-05-10 11:41 AM | Reply | Flag:

What a twisted view of reality you must have. So aborted fetuses go to heaven to be raised by the people who had them aborted? They have to wait 30-40 year for their parents to die before the "raising" starts? Their parents still get into heaven after aborting their child?

It would seem you should be in favor of abortion, since the goal of humans should be to get to heaven, aborted fetuses have an inside track. They may have grown up to be serial killers and have to go to hell for all eternity, but being an aborted fetus saves them from all that.

Snoofy, Job 3:16 is talking about physical death only --- dying before knowing anything.

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Please don't ask me about age when children become responsible....

But children belongs to the Kingdom of heaven (Matthew 18:1-3; 2 Samuel 12:21-23).

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It was also mercy on God's part when Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed --- for the adults were wholly given to wickedness and there was no voice of restrain. In foreknowledge God knew that the children too would grow up wicked just like the adults in such an environment. Hence by this sudden death, the wicked adults were judged and the innocent babies/children were delivered (into heaven).

BB, I said "if" the parents make it to heaven. Do really believe that a woman cannot find repentance after aborting babies?

Seems like you are promoting an unforgiving God!

I know many women who aborted during their youth, but later came to Christ and found repentance and wholeness.

I do not endorse/support abortion, but I do not believe in laying perpetual guilt trips to women who committed that act.

Did not the prodigal son find forgiveness and acceptance after he realized his errors and did something about it?

The same is available for prodigal daughters!

Takeitez

Lot doesn't sound like such a righteous man, and neither do his daughers. They all get drunk and screw the first night after the destruction--and they are the righteous ones? If God knew about how the children would grow up, he must have known how Lot would screw his daughters. Don't try to cover by saying Lot was too drunk to know any better---when a man gets that dunk, he can't get it up---it's called whisky dick. His daughters weren't that drunk. As stated--God must have known and wanted this to happen--at least according to your theory of God knowing what children will be like when they grow up.

Takitez

Why don't you support abortion since the fetuses will all go to heaven, and not take the risk of living and going to hell?

#21,22....
You missed my point and you do have a rigid mind....

Blessed are the merciful... Mt 5:7.

BB, I said "if" the parents make it to heaven. Do really believe that a woman cannot find repentance after aborting babies?

Don't try ny strawmen with me. I don't believe in the biblical god. I don't think a woman need to repent for anything after an abortion, or repent for anything else.

Seems like you are promoting an unforgiving God!
I am not promotin any type of God--I am exploring your twisted views of religion.

I know many women who aborted during their youth, but later came to Christ and found repentance and wholeness.

I doubt that. I think you ar a liar and think that because you are lying for God--that your lies are OK.

I do not endorse/support abortion, but I do not believe in laying perpetual guilt trips to women who committed that act.

I bet you really believe that nonsense.

Did not the prodigal son find forgiveness and acceptance after he realized his errors and did something about it?

Did not Br'er rabbit get Be'er fox to throw him in the briar patch? I think it is a better story, and makes a better cartoon.

The same is available for prodigal daughters!

How democratic. Your God must be a liberal--how about you?

#20 | Posted by takitez at 2009-05-10 03:43 PM | Reply | Flag

Blessed are the merciful... Mt 5:7.

#23 | Posted by takitez at 2009-05-10 03:57 PM | Reply | Flag

I don't see the relevence of that passage. My mind is extremely flexible--it is yours that is rigid.

You fail to answer a simple question. Let's try again.

Why don't you support abortion since the fetuses will all go to heaven, and not take the risk of living and going to hell?

Why is it that some many threads are taken over by abortion arguments.

Passover,when god killed all the first born sons in Isreal.Celebrated to this day.

not Isreal,Egypt.

not Isreal,Egypt.

And technically God didn't kill ALL the first born sons in Egypt that night. The houses of Jews who marked their doors with the blood of ritually slaughtered lambs were spared.

The Angel of Death Passed Over them.

Hence the name.

It was the tenth curse God laid on the Egyptians and it was the one that led to Moses leading them out of captivity, through the Red Sea and into the Desert fer many years.

Kind of a whacky story really but there ya go.

Reconciling the murderous Yaweh, the Baby Killer, of the OT with the Kinder Gentler God of the NT that allegedly has a real problem with abortion is kinda tuff, Spud'll grant ya.

Be Well.

Thanks Spud,
But my real Question is how come a John Lennon exhibit has to become an argument over abortion.Eveyone could post a new abortion thread and argue about it until they type their fingers off,for all I care.

Not only all the first born male humans, but the first born of all animals.

Exodus

12:12 For I will pass through the land of Egypt this night, and will smite all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and against all the gods of Egypt I will execute judgment: I am the LORD

This isn't a John Lennon thread--this is a religious thread. The thread header mentions Imagine as an anti-religious song. Religious questions are being asked.

Not only all the first born male humans, but the first born of all animals.

Wow, that was a total dick move.

Bad God!

Be Well.

Thanks Spud,

Yer welcome!

But my real Question is how come a John Lennon exhibit has to become an argument over abortion.Eveyone could post a new abortion thread and argue about it until they type their fingers off,for all I care.

LOL. Welcome to the Retort!

Around here every thread drifts off topic and eventually turns into either an abortion thread, a gay rights thread or a gun rights thread.

Hells Bells Buffalo Bob

I stand corrected

Spud
turns into either an abortion thread, a gay rights thread or a gun rights thread.

Or hockey,LOL

Not sure what to make of your response, Tak's, Snoofy, Job 3:16 is talking about physical death only --- dying before knowing anything.

Isn't "physical death" exactly what happens when a fetus is aborted? To my lay eye, it seems that Job 3:16 speaks directly to the question. My interpretation is that fetuses, having "never seen the light" of life, aren't eligible for the afterlife. This tends to imply they don't have souls but I suspect this is contradicted elsewhere in Scripture.

Buffalo Bob raises a good point too; if aborted fetuses get a "free pass" doesn't that make abortion an optimal outcome? It's reminiscent of the good ole days when the Missionaries would baptize the Indians right before hanging them. That way they'd be free of sin when they died and certain to make it into Heaven.

"But we recognise its power to make us think. As a cathedral we do not shrink from debate. We recognise the existence of other world views," added the cathedral spokesman.

If only everyone, theist or no, thought that way.

Anglicans are just pointing our that not all Christianity is the simple-minded bufoonism represented by the takitezs of the world.

According to Christianity, when ever someone replaces God's judgement with their own in the case of someone's soul, John Lennon, for instance, they have just committed a worse error than was likely ever committed by the person they have condemned.

So, the truth is that most people who know most of what they think they know about Christianity from what they have heard from his ilk know very little about it at all.

I would suggest Reinhold Niebuhr, G Gordon Campbell, CS Lewis, and AW Tozer, if you are are curious as to what these Pussies for Jesus, which is what my old Pastor called misguided pop TV Evangels, have FUBAR'ed like a Bush in Iraq.

G Morgan Campbell, lol. I musta been thinking of Liddy...