Drudge Retort: Red Meat for Yellow Dogs
Monday, May 04, 2009

A 3-year-old boy was kidnapped by two gunmen who broke into his family's San Bernardino, Calif., home, tied up his mother and her five children, robbed the house and left with the child. The men burst through the front door of the home Sunday, tied up the family, then ransacked the house and stole money and property.

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If the kid had only been packin' heat....

The Right

"If the kid had only been packin' heat....

The Right"

#1 | Posted by northguy3 at 2009-05-04 02:45 PM | Reply | Flag: likes Baby Glocks

www.glock.com

A 3 year old was kidnapped so I'll make a lame political joke.

- Northguy3

I don't know whether or not I should show some faux concern. What color was the kid?

An antenna in the hand is worth two gunmen in the bush.

"What color was the kid?"

That would be brown. With hair like the kid from Mad Max.

I don't know whether or not I should show some faux concern. What color was the kid?

Mexican but looks white...if it were a betting line, it would be a push.

Brown. with slanty eyes.

Looks like nanc.

If the kid had only been packin' heat....

#1 | Posted by northguy3 at 2009-05-04 02:45 PM | Flag: Retard

Me thinks this is a some kind of drug deal involved. The article says the woman did not know the two gunmen but could estimate the ages as 18 AND 24.

Every time I have seen ages in a police report from an unknown suspect, there is always a range like 18 to 24 for each suspect for example as opposed to exact age numbers as estimates. I would guess that she knew the suspect or worked as in a carnival booth as a professional age guesser.

Smells like Mexican Mafia to me.

#2

Glock?

Glock?

We don't need no stinkin glock.

Gotta be steel frame, it's 1911s all the way for me.

Smells like Mexican Mafia to me.

Beans and sopapillas?

It seems odd the gunmen only took the 1 kid. I mean even if drugs were involved you think they'd snag more than 1 kid. If you think about drug involvement is probably one of the better options. I mean these guys could be in the sex trade and this kid could be on his way to some nasty pedophile.

Sadly they'll probably find this kid dead in an abandoned car or a ditch.

Poor little guy.

"it's 1911s all the way for me."

Posted by salamandagator at 2009-05-04 03:11 PM

I have some 1911's and some Sigs.
Hell, even my Baby Glock is a .45.
i179.photobucket.com

I guess 911 didn't work that time.

Gotta be steel frame, it's 1911s all the way for me.

#11 | Posted by salamandagator

Agreed.

I like fat slower moving bullets myself.

#14

5 shot?

rwd

"5 shot?"

6+1

"I like fat slower moving bullets myself."
Not if they hit you.

"I like fat slower moving bullets myself."

I opt for the slightly faster then standard but nothing less the 230 grains.
This is what i run in my carry 1911
le.atk.com

"If the kid had only been packin' heat....

The Right

#1 | Posted by northguy3"

Actually, if the adults in that family had been packing heat, and shot these vermin as they were ransacking their house, that would have been great. Wake up, dude. You're an idiot.

Men don't kidnap little children. Infants and toddlers are kryptonite to male criminals.

#19 | Posted

I showed this once before,this is my carry.
A light weight hard hitting 44spcl.
Rather accurate at an extended range for a little gun.But,I always have my 1911A1 nearby at home.
Happy shooting.:)

www.charterfirearms.com

rwd

"Happy shooting.:)"

Not anymore, the only things not gathering dust are my .22's and shotgun. I can't even find ammo for my .45 or 7.62x39

let me guess... It's all the Gun's fault... bad gun, bad gun... bad, bad gun....

I'm outraged. The insinuation that the perps were Latinos is racist. The insinuation that they are Latino gangsters is racist.

The blatant and knee-jerk racism we find here is lamentable.

"I can't even find ammo for my .45"

Two words: Hand Load

I'm outraged. The insinuation that the perps were Latinos is racist. The insinuation that they are Latino gangsters is racist.
The blatant and knee-jerk racism we find here is lamentable.

oh get a grip on yourself... geesh

Johnson is on your "side", Jaybay.

Johnson is on your "side", Jaybay.

Let them duke it out. It would be amusing.

"Two words: Hand Load"

Never bought the press, used a buddies don't anymore.
I've been meaning too but just have not got around to it yet. So, i've got about 350 rds left but don't want to shoot them until ammo is readily available and even my freids that do reload are having a hard time finding anything but swc or lrn for .45. plus i have been playing with the cci blazer aluminum cased and gave away most of my brass, i did not see this comming. And as for hand loading the 7.62x39, pain in the ass the bullet diameter is like .311 and all that seems to be available are heavy soft points. I am lucky to have picked up a case of wolf before they were all gone.

I've been meaning too but just have not got around to it yet

#30 | Posted by salamandagator

If you buy one buy the RCBS Rock Chucker.Buy the starter kit.I've used one for years and swear by it.RCBS dies are cheap and its easy to use.
Zat will probably opt for a progressive,which is fine.
But, for precise hand loads, the RC is the best.
They you can buy the Lee hand primer,neck trimmer,primer bore tool....on and on and on.

rwd

This is my choice in stopping felons:

Model 27 S&W 6" blue; combat trigger/hammer w/Houge grip.
.357 125 gr. hollow points.

ready, set, dead.

"Zat will probably opt for a progressive,which is fine."

RCBS Jr, actually. One - round - at - a - time.
Left: .41 magnum loaded some time in the late 70's
Center: new .380.
Right: .357 Auto Mag also loaded sometime in the late 70's.
i179.photobucket.com

Actually, if the adults in that family had been packing heat, and shot these vermin as they were ransacking their house, that would have been great. Wake up, dude. You're an idiot.

#20 | Posted by Apocalypto at 2009-05-04 04:14 PM | Reply | Flag

Let's see--gunmen break in with guns in their hand and you think spraying bullets around children is the answer. Do you think the gunmen will just stand there and wait to be shot? This illustrates the problems with guns. You can't get to them when you need them. Even if they were in the house---they didn't have time to get them. Maybe you think they should leave the guns laying around the house so the kids can play with them is a good idea. You are a true idiot. Stupidity doesn't begin cover the description of your small brain.

#33 | Posted by Zatoichi at 2009-05-04 07:19 PM | Reply | Flag

Nice bait. Nothing more. Just another prize for anyone who wants to take it when you aren't there.

If the kid had only been packin' heat....
The Right

#1 | POSTED BY NORTHGUY3 AT 2009-05-04 02:45 PM | REPLY |

No, but if mommy had been packing, she might have double tapped those fuckers in the head before they snatched the boy.

"Let's see--gunmen break in with guns in their hand and you think spraying bullets around children is the answer. Do you think the gunmen will just stand there and wait to be shot? This illustrates the problems with guns. You can't get to them when you need them. Even if they were in the house---they didn't have time to get them. Maybe you think they should leave the guns laying around the house so the kids can play with them is a good idea. You are a true idiot. Stupidity doesn't begin cover the description of your small brain.

#34 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob"

You're right, Bob. If lunatics break into your house, you shouldn't defend yourself, but offer them tea and cookies. Fucking idiot. (You're also a pussy.)

You can't get to them when you need them.

I'm glad you don't own one. People too stupid to know how to get to them don't deserve them.

You can't get to them when you need them

Tell that to people who get shot while involved in a home invasion.

Oops. Can't. They're dead.

You can't get to them when you need them.

Goat is right, that's BS.

Fingerprint lock safe in your bedroom, with a loaded gun inside. 200 bucks or less.

Anyone invading my home is going to get a face full of buckshot or sword. (sorry, no antennas, too dangerous)

Anyone invading my home is going to get a face full of buckshot or sword.

Do you have a gunblade or something?

You know I believe there are times that people are genuinely innocent of aiding abetting their own demises IE Not hanging aound the wrong people and all. I however believe a vast majority of people aid and abet their own demises even unconsciencely.

Larry

Or a gun and a blade?

Alexandrite.

Unless you pissed someone off, they won't brteak in when you are there. If you did piss someone off, they will move on you when they ave a gun--not when you have a gun. Chances are your gun will add to their collection. I guess you never thought of that. This home invasion is a perfect example of the uselessness of guns for defense. Guns are an offensive weapon. If you had an IQ above 6, you would know that. A car antenna is too much of a weapon for you to control.

OK---go back to pissing your pants, coward. Maybe hug gun for some courage.

Fingerprint lock safe in your bedroom, with a loaded gun inside. 200 bucks or less.

#40 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2009-05-04 08:21 PM | Reply | Flag

Gee---and you and the bad guys are in the living room. Think they'll let you go in there and get it?

Gee---and the bad guy pulled a gun on you in your driveway and your gun is in the bedroom. Think they'll let you go in there and get it?

Gee---and the bad guys pulled a gun on you when you answerered the door, and your gun is in the bedroom. Think they'll let you go in there and get it?

Gee and the bad guys get you at your car after a night out, and your gun is locked up in your bedroom. Think they'll let you go home and get it?

Seems like the only tme your gun may help is if you get some bad guys courteous enough to break in to your house when you are in your bedroom---otherwise, you seem to be SOL. That's some protection you got there Lou. You are protected as long as you are in our bedroom. You must think the rest of the world is a safe place.

OK---go back to pissing your pants, coward. Maybe hug gun for some courage.

#44 | POSTED BY BUFFALO_BOB AT 2009-05-04 08:27 PM | REPLY

what is your damage?

we'll keep our guns, and blow the head off of any burglars (who, by the way, don't always wait until you're gone). You can sit with your antenna, hit your panick button, and wait for the cops to show up, and hope that you and your family aren't wiped out while you wait.

Yeah, but unless your some paranoid nutcase who sits around all day with his gun in his hand waiting for a burglar to break in, odds are you won't have the gun on the fluke occasion you actually instantly need it. I thinks that is BBob's point.

No, BB wants guns to disappear because we're all to stoooopid to use them wisely. Ask him.

You can't get to them when you need them.

I think these people would disagree with you, bOoB

LOL

tinyurl.com

#45 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob at 2009-05-04 08:33 PM | Reply | Flag: Doesn't know what a holster is for.

#45 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob at 2009-05-04 08:33 PM | Reply | Flag: Has to answer question f in the affirmative.

www.atf.gov

#35 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob at 2009-05-04 08:11 PM | Reply | Flag: Never heard of a gun vault.

By the way shit-for-brains, I sold the Auto Mag to Joe McBride mcbridesguns.com to pay tuition in the 70's.

For BuffaloBob

April 30, 2009 MISSOURI

COLUMBIA A woman whose house was being burglarized is believed to have shot one of the three men caught in her home early Thursday.

The woman arrived at her home in northeast Columbia and found that her back door had been kicked open, according to a release from the Columbia Police Department. Inside, she found three men robbing her house.

She left the house, and the men followed her. She told police that one of the men had a handgun and pointed it at her. She fired one round at the men, the release stated.

Investigators collected evidence that led them to believe that one suspect was shot. Though local hospitals were notified, there were no suspects at the time of the news release.

The woman was not able to provide a detailed description of the suspects but noted a suspicious-looking silver hatchback car near her house with a woman inside. The car was seen leaving the area immediately following the incident.


Had she not had her own gun, robbers would have killed her to keep her from reporting the robbery.

No, BB wants guns to disappear because we're all to stoooopid to use them wisely. Ask him.

#48 | Posted by somoco at 2009-05-04 08:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

You haven't been paying attention. Big surprise. As a iberal, I am all for the right to keep and bear arms--like it says in the second amendment.

My point is--guns are no good for defense. As shown, and only Moder8 seems to comprehend, your gun only is usful if you get stupid bad guys who let you go into your bedroom, get your gun, and wait around for you to shoot them. Only morons who can't think clearly, think a gun will protect them. That sounds like you.

My point is--guns are no good for defense.

You are wrong. If you don't believe me, ask these people. Oops. You can't. They're dead.

tinyurl.com

For Califchris

www.cnn.com

That's just today. Check in tomorrow. Guns caused the problem in your link--guns weren't the solution.

Just because some take one example of being taken off guard somehow that justifies their whole point.
It is a ridiculous way to think.
I could post reams and reams of incidents of people who are surprised off guard and able to defend themselves from a deadly encounter by reaching for their gun.
When their point is challenged they then go with the argument that innocent people are around who may be hurt.
The fact of the matter is when armed assailants are present all people present are in immediate danger regardless of who has the gun.More so if the victim is unarmed,so the point is really mute.Just ask all those murdered execution style if it was worth it to be unarmed.Most are killed so they can't identify the person committing the crime.
I would ask Bob what he would have done had he been on the LIRR when all those people were murdered while sitting in their seats.They literally sat there awaiting their turn as the gunman walked down the aisle killing them.One,just one needed a gun and the murder spree would have ended.
Even after this when there was debate to allow people to have carry permits some critics used the innocent victim logic.It doesn't matter to these people that people are mass murdered as long as innocent people don't die.
To be clear,it doesn't matter that the perp is killed saving many more deaths if an innocent bystander is killed.

rwd

I guess you think the people in the link above did what you said:

As shown, and only Moder8 seems to comprehend, your gun only is usful if you get stupid bad guys who let you go into your bedroom, get your gun, and wait around for you to shoot them

Well, if you read the stories, that theory is blown out of the water, too.

Only morons who can't think clearly, think a gun will protect them.

Why don't you contact winners in those stories and tell them they are morons. LOL

YOu're something else altogether, bOoB.

The teen was apparently struck in the head and was listed in critical condition at Parkland Hospital. His weapon was recovered at the scene and later determined to be stolen during a separate offense in Terrell, according to police.

Three other teen suspects fled the scene in a vehicle that was recovered in the 300 block of S. Park Street, police said.

Police identified the teen gunman and one of the other suspects, and were working to ID the two remaining boys.

The robbery victim was not injured.

www.texasguntalk.com

opencarry.mywowbb.com

Too bad bOoB can't own a gun.
He was adjudicated mentally defective.

Guns do protect--despite the proclamations from BB.

Antenaes are no good. Get it BB?

We are thinking of getting a gun--don't have one now--but we have lots of bats--one is under the bed. (I taught and managed softball for girls). I know how to use a bat!

Of course I would take the classes and wouldn't have any problems using it if needed.

My Dad has two guns--one is some kind of rifle. Navy pilots from Vietnam know guns.

Guns are the detriment on society. Mankind would have been better served had the Gun never have been invented. Alas in Mankinds ever thirst to control what He can't control Byself made the Gun so He could control that which He couldn't control by self. That's the crux of the whole shebang(Pun Intended)

Larry

So what kind of gun to get?

Any references?

Larry -- you requested I write your 10th grade science teacher who is an idiot. I'm still waiting for his address.

Thanks

Any bad guy worthy of the name would take any of your guns and shove them up your ass. How?

He gets the first move. He decides when and where it will happen. Your gun will never be a factor.

He gets the first move. He decides when and where it will happen. Your gun will never be a factor.

Oh well. I guess I'll be using my gun on these people.

http://d7vvr2

LOL

What a loser you are, bOoB.

Antenaes are no good. Get it BB?

#61 | Posted by MURPHY at 2009-05-04 10:27 PM | Reply | Flag:

WTF are you babbling about now? Do you ever know?

Navy pilots from Vietnam know guns.

#61 | Posted by MURPHY

This gun Murphy?

en.wikipedia.org

WTF are you babbling about now?

She's talking abut antennaes, bOoB.

He gets the first move. He decides when and where it will happen.

Yep,that would be the center of town,high noon.

Don't let the sun get in your eyes there pard.

rwd

That's just today. Check in tomorrow. Guns caused the problem in your link--guns weren't the solution.

----

Have you read this link about a guy stabbing 3 of sisters to death, Bob? Cops shot and killed him while he was attacking another.
www.cnn.com

Or this about stabbing deaths on the rise in NYC while gun deaths are down?
www.ny1.com

I have target practiced and hunted ever since I was big enough. I am shocked and surprised to hear that a gun will not protect you. If my home is invaded I assure you that I will have no trouble finding my gun. I keep a .45 auto close by and a 12 gage pump shotgun easily available. I promise that an invader will not have an easy time.

Granted, if you have a professional assassin coming after you, or even just the average Mafia hit man, you don't stand a chance even if you have a gun. But besides these rare instances there are plenty of cases where possession of a firearm could be beneficial to a person's safety.

"Antenaes are no good. Get it BB?

#61 | Posted by MURPHY at 2009-05-04 10:27 PM | Reply | Flag:

WTF are you babbling about now? Do you ever know?"

She's talking about what you consider the most lethal self defense weapon ever created, the car antenna.

She's talking about what you consider the most lethal self defense weapon ever created, the car antenna.

That's what the rent-a-cops at the Goodyear tire factory on the moon carry.

Has BBob ever suggested that in a confrontation an antenna in the hand is preferable to a gun in the hand? Even once? Or is this just a circle jerk of a bunch morons lacking basic reading comprehension skills? BBob point shouldn't be too hard for most of you rocket scientists to grasp. Namely, an easily available every day object which can serve as a weapon is far more valuable in an immediate confrontation than some gun locked away in a chest under your bed at home. Do ANY of you have trouble understanding this?

Namely, an easily available every day object which can serve as a weapon is far more valuable in an immediate confrontation than some gun locked away in a chest under your bed at home.

Well, at my house it's easier to get to the gun than to go out into the garage and try to rip the antennae off my truck since I don't keep it in the house.

But maybe we do things differently in Texas.

Has BBob ever suggested that in a confrontation an antenna in the hand is preferable to a gun in the hand?

----

Yes.

The infamous post.

www.drudge.com

"Namely, an easily available every day object which can serve as a weapon is far more valuable in an immediate confrontation than some gun locked away in a chest under your bed at home. Do ANY of you have trouble understanding this?"

We understand that just fine. If you read the threads that Bob has made these "arguments," you'll see that people conceded the point. The problem is that Bob thinks these are the only situations that occur and refuses to acknowledge the fact that guns have in fact been used successfully for defense.

"My point is--guns are no good for defense"

See, the moron said this in post 54 of this thread.

"The infamous post."

AAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
HAHAHAHAHAH eat it Moder.

Namely, an easily available every day object which can serve as a weapon is far more valuable in an immediate confrontation than some gun locked away in a chest under your bed at home.

That's fine and dandy. If you have kids, I suppose the gun would and should be locked up.

But you see, I don't have kids and I live alone. Having my pistol sitting on the table right beside me is common place.

Why?

Because there's no one I need to hide it from. When I go to bed, it gets locked up. there's a 12ga pump close at hand with 2-3/4" shells loaded into it. When I leave the house, it's locked up and the pistol is on my person.

You see, Bob's argument is a poor one because many CCW holders actually do carry their weapons on their person. It's like a wallet or keys. If they're not in your pocket, you notice, but once they're on you they're second nature and you don't think about them.

It's not paranoia to carry or keep my pistol within easy reach. That's the whole fucking point of having it in the first place.

If I was going to lock it up, I'd be better off with a rock or stick or the infamous car antennae. Bob's argument attempts to negate the fact that pistols are used in defensive actions almost daily. When these facts are brought up to him, he dismisses them with a "well, if guns didn't exist there would have been no crime". Which is inane bullshit.

Check the crime rates in Britain after they cut up and melted down most of the guns. Be sure to do a check on the statistics involving crime with sharp, pointy objects in Britain as well. Check Japan's rising crime rate.

#81 | Posted by Axiom at 2009-05-05 06:37 AM | Reply | Flag: bravo!

I like the soft glow of Sig tritium night sights on the bedside table; the comfortable feel of a Galco NSA holster holding a Colt Agent in my waistband.
It's so much easier to conceal than a car antenna.

#76 Moder8> Namely, an easily available every day object which can serve as a weapon is far more valuable in an immediate confrontation than some gun locked away in a chest under your bed at home.

BBob makes the same points in every gun related post, all of which have been disproven numerous times by news sources and first hand experience. His points can be summarized as follows:

1. A gun owned by a law-abiding citizen CAUSES criminals to attack.

2. Your gun will never be of use in self-defense because the bad guys ALWAYS get the drop on you.

3. He came up with his infamous question: "Which would you rather have (or use): a gun that you cannot get to or a auto antenna in your hand?"

#1 is, in BBob's opinion, why gun owners are the real problem. He will gladly tell you that if YOU don't have a gun, no crime would have occurred (because the criminals are spurred into their nefarious activities BECAUSE you have a gun).

#2 is also heavily disproven by tons of stats and real examples. I asked Bob once if most people just walked to the door and opened it when somebody knocks (especially late at night). Many gun owners seem to have a gun close by or in hand in such situations.

#3 is a strawman argument, with the exception that if one intends to have a gun for self-defense, it needs to be quickly accessible.

I'm sure there are others but BBob falls back on the same few things over and over again. Posters who respond with good counter arguments are ignored or BBob reiterates his same tired, disproven points once again. I only post responses to BBob so as to educate or enlighten other posters.

BBob makes the same points in every gun related post, all of which have been disproven numerous times by news sources and first hand experience. His points can be summarized as follows:

You missed one that he uses.

Home Alarms.

No doubt that home alarms are great in towns and cities where the police are within a reasonable distance to react to an alarm, but Bob doesn't want to address the point of many people living in rural areas where it would take more than a few minutes for the authorities arrive.

He likes to point out that criminals are smart people and they can figure out how to get the jump on you when you might be defenseless, but he fails to use that same logic when the criminal decides to confront you in the middle of nowhere.

Another point about home alarms.

I had one once when I lived in Columbia, SC.

Perhaps policy has changed, but from what I remember when your alarm goes off, the police don't immediately show up.

Someone in a call center looking at a computer screen gets an alert and your phone number is called where they ask you for a secret code and if everything is alright.

If you don't answer the phone, they send the police. If you answer the questions incorrectly, they send the police.

How much time has passed and how much free run of the home has the criminal had before the phone even rings?

Thanks, Axiom, can't believe I forgot BBob's viewing alarms as keeping criminals at bay. I also forgot that he will not admit that a gun prevented a crime if the gun wasn't fired, something that criminologists say happens well over 1 million times a year (perp sees gun, perp leaves area, no shots fired, potential attack averted).
Thanks,

AKAT

I won't say that alarms do not prevent crime. It's one of those statistics like the unreported times that a gun stopped a crime. You can't really know how many times a criminal has cased a house only to discover it had an alarm system, and the criminal decided to move along...

But..

I can tell you that they don't always work. I worked in a gas station during college and was robbed 6 times. Each and every time, the cops showed up a few minutes after the robbers had run out.

It's important to note that I did have a pistol at the time, but chose not to use it because I knew my life was not in danger. Just another example of a time when the presence of an alarm system didn't deter a crime. It certainly wouldn't have prevented my death had any of the robbers decided to squeeze the trigger.

The only thing that saved my ass was the existence of a thick, bullet resistant barrier that I was locked behind.

"the cops showed up a few minutes after the robbers had run out"

When seconds count, the police are only minutes away.

My point is--guns are no good for defense. As shown, and only Moder8 seems to comprehend, your gun only is usful if you get stupid bad guys who let you go into your bedroom, get your gun, and wait around for you to shoot them. Only morons who can't think clearly, think a gun will protect them. That sounds like you.

#54 | POSTED BY BUFFALO_BOB AT 2009-05-04 09:47 PM | REPLY | FLAG

Just don't be fucking around my yard uninvited and snooping in my sheds, and we'll have no problem BB.

"can't believe I forgot BBob's viewing alarms as keeping criminals at bay."

Of course they work. Haven't you seen the ADT commercials?

"I also forgot that he will not admit that a gun prevented a crime if the gun wasn't fired"

He won't admit when a gun is used for defense either. Give him a link to a story of a successful defense with a gun and he'll find some completely illogical way to claim either the gun didn't make a difference (despite the fact that the perp died by it) or that if the gun weren't present no crime would have occurred.

"guns are no good for defense"

That's what the pig said.
i179.photobucket.com

Meet my neighbors ...
i179.photobucket.com
Keeps the riff-raff out.

Give him a link to a story of a successful defense with a gun and he'll find some completely illogical way to claim either the gun didn't make a difference (despite the fact that the perp died by it) or that if the gun weren't present no crime would have occurred.

I gave him a link to hundreds of such stories (see post 49) and he simply ignored them and kept parroting, "Your gun is no good for defense". LOL

Actually, if the adults in that family had been packing heat, and shot these vermin as they were ransacking their house, that would have been great. Wake up, dude. You're an idiot.

#20 | Posted by Apocalypto at

Actually statistically speaking, in your scenario the kid would already have shot himself accidentally, thus no story.

"Actually statistically speaking, in your scenario the kid would already have shot himself accidentally, thus no story."

Gonna have to see a link for that one.

the statistics comparing the likelihood of shooting accidents vs being abducted by a home invasion? good luck finding an objective review of that data.

"the statistics comparing the likelihood of shooting accidents vs being abducted by a home invasion"

Oh, well yeah I'm sure an accident is more likely than being abducted during a home invasion.

My apologies I thought you meant the kid's accidental shooting would be more likely than the gun being used for defensive purposes.

Zat --

Saw a real interesting program the night before last on the History Channel and immediately thought of you (since you have often posted your photo of the wild pig you shot). They told about the large numbers of wild (feral) pigs loose in Texas (largest number of any state in the U.S.) and how these wild hogs now are in every county in Texas and are causing devastation of both the land and crops.

The highlight of the show was about a search by some hunters in Gaines County, TX who were out to try and catch a "mammoth-sized" wild hog rumored to be running around but no one had actually ever seen it. So the hunters rigged up a video cam tied on to the back of a smaller wild pig and set it free hoping it would catch up to a herd where they might be able to at least catch sight of their elusive prey.

LSS -- the hunters never did catch sight of the rumored "mammoth-sized" wild pig they were out to find but sure told some exciting stories about other wild pig hunts. A couple guys showed wounds where they had been gored during a wild pig attack and two other guys were shown pictured in front of a 1000 pound wild pig they had taken down with their guns. I never realized the huge population of wild pigs you have roaming around in Texas. No wonder you keep your shotgun at the ready.

btw -- which is correct: wild pig or wild hog?

"which is correct: wild pig or wild hog?"

Who cares? As long as the damned varmints are dead.

I used to hunt them on my ex's daddy's ranch.
We'd go out on foot at night. I carried an M1A, the semi-auto M14, with a 20-round magazine plus a .44 magnum. Those suckers will kill you. As soon as I snuff another one I'll post pictures.

"I never realized the huge population of wild pigs you have roaming around in Texas. "

Estimate is there are several hundred withing a 10 mile radius of my place.

btw -- which is correct: wild pig or wild hog?
#97 | Posted by califchris

I believe the puro Texian term is "Hawgzilla."

#44 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob at 2009-05-04 08:27 PM

A car antenna is too much of a weapon for you to control.

Are you the fellow responsible for the rash of car antennae broken off and disappearing Bob? Are you assembling an arsenal?
OK---go back to pissing your pants, coward. Maybe hug gun for some courage.

Big bad Bob. I suppose in your tin foil hat, secured against the brute strength of those trying to harm you, you would prevail, slashing at your opponents with car antennae, and even the terrifying sound of the antenna cutting through the air, paralyzing them with fear.

But think of the feeble old person, or the lady, who is not as athletic and powerful as you, and needs help. Oh, a six ounce trigger pull makes her "equal." Do you know of a writer named Damon Runyon, who used picturesque language. He called a gun an equalizer. Get it "equalizer," compensates for differences in strength and prowess.

*** news flash ***

They caught someone who might know where the kid is.
But, they aren't sure if they should waterboard the person to find out where.

No problems in my house with this type of stuff.
There's a knife block in every room.
No permits needed.


College Student Shoots, Kills Home Invader

"Apparently, his intent was to rape and murder us all," said student Charles Bailey.

Posted: 4:53 pm EDT May 4, 2009
Updated: 6:41 pm EDT May 4, 2009

www.wsbtv.com

He won't admit when a gun is used for defense either. Give him a link to a story of a successful defense with a gun and he'll find some completely illogical way to claim either the gun didn't make a difference (despite the fact that the perp died by it) or that if the gun weren't present no crime would have occurred.

#90 | Posted by jpw at 2009-05-05 11:25 AM | Reply | Flag

Guns are good defense against animals. Show me a link where the gun did make a difference, or if the gun wasn't present there would have been a crime anyway.

You seem to think that because the bad guy was killed that shooting him was a good thing. Should there be adeath penalty for purse snatching? Should we allow the cops to shoot anyone who runs from them? Should we give cops the same leeway we do homeowners when confronted with a bad guy?

There may be some instances where a gun was necessary and no alternative was better---however, they are few and FAR between. What is more likely is that a hundred innocent people will die from gunshots to one saved by a gun. That means---saved when an alarm wouldn't have prevented the attack---saved when a taser wouldn't have been as effective---saved when the shooter was under direct attack, and not shooting someone running away. For every one of those---I will show you ten who died needlessly because pants pissers need guns to feel safe, and don't have the brains to come up with any alternatives.

Show me a link where the gun did make a difference

Here are several hundred (again)

lmgtfy.com

Well some thing will always stay the same. BOob, you are still a stupid bastard. Hopefully one day when someone is attacking you, someone like me will look the other direction. That way I can proove your point that a gun can not save your life.

"Apparently, his intent was to rape and murder us all," said student Charles Bailey.

Posted: 4:53 pm EDT May 4, 2009
Updated: 6:41 pm EDT May 4, 2009

www.wsbtv.com

#103 | Posted by Apocalypto at 2009-05-06 12:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

If there were no guns, there wouldn't have been any crime. I doubt two guys with knives would have tried this against ten people. Guns were the catalyst to the crime.

I doubt two guys with knives would have tried this against ten people. Guns were the catalyst to the crime.

#107 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob at 2009-05-06 03:05 PM | Repl

Yeah, but your judgement has been shown to be atrocious. Need I mention the bigfoot suit?

Now STFU you senile old fool.

If there were no guns, there wouldn't have been any crime. I doubt two guys with knives would have tried this against ten people. Guns were the catalyst to the crime.


cat⋅a⋅lyst
   /ˈktlɪst/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [kat-l-ist] Show IPA
noun
1. Chemistry. a substance that causes or accelerates a chemical reaction without itself being affected.
2. something that causes activity between two or more persons or forces without itself being affected.
3. a person or thing that precipitates an event or change: His imprisonment by the government served as the catalyst that helped transform social unrest into revolution.
4. a person whose talk, enthusiasm, or energy causes others to be more friendly, enthusiastic, or energetic.

I think the catalyst, in this instance, would be the two men's desires to rape and kill several people. The guns were a tool they would use to perpetrate their crime. The gun the other guy had was a tool used to prevent it.

ergo.

gun saved lives and prevented further crime.

I'd rather have my life hinging on my accuracy with a gun I carry with me at all times than one of your hunches, or should we start talking about smokestacks on the moon?

If you outlaw guns there won't ever be any guns.
Remember prohibition? There wasn't a drop of the stuff for people to drink.

Outlaw it and the outlaws won't have it.

I think the catalyst, in this instance, would be the two men's desires to rape and kill several people. The guns were a tool they would use to perpetrate their crime. The gun the other guy had was a tool used to prevent it.

You should read your own definition.

2. something that causes activity between two or more persons or forces without itself being affected.

The guns were the catalyst--no guns--no crime. They may have still wanted to kill and rapre, but with no guns, it is doubtful the crime would ae happened if only knives were available to attack ten people. Youignored that simple fact.

ergo.

You are mistaken.

gun saved lives and prevented further crime.

Guns started the crime by giving the perps the courage and the power to attempt the crime

I'd rather have my life hinging on my accuracy with a gun I carry with me at all times than one of your hunches, or should we start talking about smokestacks on the moon?

Maybe when some bad guy notices that gun and decides to take it, you will reconsider my point about being able to get to your gun when you have a knife to your throat or a gun pointed at you already---your accuracy won't be a factor.

And yes---let's talk about the Smokestack on the Moon. I love to make loudmouth morons like yourself look like fools.

www.youtube.com

You should be aware that Goatman already has the theory about a magical, moving, appearing an disappearing smudge on a still picture.

Waiting on you Super Genius

;-)

#109 | Posted by Axiom at 2009-05-06 03:41 PM | Reply | Flag

The guns were the catalyst--no guns--no crime. They may have still wanted to kill and rapre, but with no guns, it is doubtful the crime would ae happened if only knives were available to attack ten people. Youignored that simple fact.

No. You ignore the simple fact that people die every day from stabbings, beatings and strangulation where no gun was ever involved.

The catalyst, aka the MOTIVE aka #2 in the definition above, was the desire to rape and kill. Had the criminals not had guns, they would have picked an even more vulnerable target. For instance, one or two women. Or a man and a woman walking alone.

You've said it yourself. Criminals are smarter than we give them credit for. All the while, you ignore evidence that you're just plain wrong about the use of weapons for defensive purposes.

Maybe when some bad guy notices that gun and decides to take it, you will reconsider my point about being able to get to your gun when you have a knife to your throat or a gun pointed at you already---your accuracy won't be a factor.

Do you make the assumption that I'm putting myself at risk by doing things like walking through dark ally's where I can be jumped from behind or cruising through bad neighborhoods?

I've already had guns pointed at me. Neither time did it make me rethink my stance.

And yes---let's talk about the Smokestack on the Moon. I love to make loudmouth morons like yourself look like fools.

www.youtube.com

You should be aware that Goatman already has the theory about a magical, moving, appearing an disappearing smudge on a still picture.

Seen it and yes, I know about Goat's theory. To be honest, I have no opinion on it. I just wanted to see if I could get you to post it again.

Dance for me, puppet.

Waiting on you Super Genius

says the guy who couldn't close his italics tag.

#113 | Posted by Axiom at 2009-05-06 06:04 PM | Reply | Flag

It doesn't take much to get me to post that link. Happy to oblige. You have no thoughts? What a surprise. At least you admit it.

www.youtube.com

Question: In a face to face confrontation with an armed mugger, would you rather be the intended victim who possesses a gun which is concealed in your trousers, or would you rather be the armed mugger standing three feet in front menacingly holding a knife/club/axe/whatever?

#115 | Posted by moder8

Did you ever see a match burn twice?

What would you rather be shot with, a .22 or a .38?

Would you rather be a crack head who robs people and lives in a burned out tenement,or a responsible person who lives a normal life?

rwd

I gather you don't have any intelligent answer to the question. Not surprising. But I would be interested to hear the response of an intelligent poster. Having no personal experience with guns I wonder how somebody who is experienced would respond.

#117 | Posted by moder8

I did answer the question,you're just to dumb to see my point.
Oh? Not good enough?
Try moving out of that shithole called Southern California and move to an area of the country where people are independent and hardy and you will answer your own stupid question.

rwd

"you're just to dumb"

#118 | Posted by rightwingdon at 2009-05-06 07:28 PM | Reply | Flag: *HEADDESK*

Moder8

I don't think it is a question of which would you rather be. They aren't equal choices. The closest I could come would be to imagine that all parties were in the military and they were on opposite sides.

If I had the drop on the guy and I had the knife, I would assume he had agun and disarm him. Any aggressive movement at all on his part would result in my sticking the knife in him rapidly and repeatedly.

If I had the gun and the guy with the knife had the drop on me, I would do exactly what he said, and hope that I could make a move toward his knife hand. If I could control that hand enough to get leverage and throw his body away from me, I could get my gun, or maybe get the knife from him. The outcome in such a move is never certain, but there are sure to be results one way or the other.

The outcome of such an encounter relies on the committment, personalities, and physical capabilities of the people in question. The outcome would be different depending on many variables. Which person would you rather be, would depend a lot on what kind of person you are.

bOoB says:

If, if, if, if, if, if, if.

Antennae, if, if, if, if.

Can't get to if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if,.

if, if, if, knife, if, if, if,

if, if, if,

LOL

bOoB says:

If, if, if, if, if, if, if.

Antennae, if, if, if, if.

Can't get to if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if,.

if, if, if, knife, if, if, if,

if, if, if,

LOL

bOoB: IF (lol) you had told these bad guys that they had it all wrong, they might not be shot dead by the people whose houses they broke into.

Over 1.3 million hits BTW So much for your ifs. I'll take goatman's real world over bOoB's ifs. It looks like the good guys win more often in my world than your world of IFs.

LOL

tinyurl.com

Which person would you rather be/i>...

A living one

... would depend a lot on what kind of person you are.

A gun owner who knows how to use it.

LOL

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