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In a comment that's reminiscent of President Nixon's infamous comment "if the president authorizes it, it's not illegal," former Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice told a Stanford student this week that waterboarding is not illegal torture because "if it was authorized by the President, it did not violate our obligations under the Conventions Against Torture."

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Sock it to me?

one incompetent token whore, whose time has come and gone.

It starting to be funny to see these "untouchables" squirm. Interesting line indeed.

If hitler authorized it then it's right.

one incompetent token whore, whose time has come and gone.

And you're a racist, gender biased, redneck.


IF that was Rice, then she's exactly correct. We did get attacked, other attacks were planned, and the Bush administration was acting to protect us, including even an inbred jackass like you.

ass wipe what does your fart of a comment have to do with torture? She is an incompetent token useless whore

(excuse me, I meant to say "an inbred ungrateful jackass like you. Sorry for mis-speaking.. )

A.k.a.
Respondeat superior
Befehl ist Befehl

Just following orders


In other words:
The Nuremberg Defense

no answer to my question. figures

As time goes by, we're gonna find out what real kind of shithole Bush/Cheney et al dragged our Country through for the last 8 yrs.

At least they're already turning on each other.

Still waiting for Hannity to back his mouth with some action. He should be waterboarded until he admits it is torture. If it isn't torture, he wouldn't mind it for 162 times, as is the time endured by prisoners.

Any country that authorizes torture is an evil country. That Bush turned America into an evil country is beyond forgiveness---he should be imprisoned or hanged like all war crimes criminals.

That some cowardly, pants pissing "Americans" support this cowardly action shows the decline in our population gene pool.

I think we should waterboard all the repubs on this site 183 times and see if they think it was torture or a little water dripping on their head.

So Jackass, how many Americans would you have let die to make sure your hero, Khalid Sheik Mohammed's, hair stayed dry?

Sneering.....Contempt.....

It would be interesting to see a list of the courses Rice taught during her days as a political science prof. Very hard to believe that an international relations specialist knew so little about the prohibitions against torture.

That Bush turned America into an evil country is beyond forgiveness---he should be imprisoned or hanged like all war crimes criminals.

Buffalo Bob
*******

Bob, I hope you know I don't even consider you human....If you ever saw Hotel Rwanda when the radio dj was calling the tutsi's cockroaches, I have less respect then that for you.

You are pure filth.

She is part of the Morally Ethically Criminally Corrupt Administration. She wanted to invade Iraq for personal gain and did whatever it took including authorizing illegal tortures upon the detainees. She is lower than regurgitated pondscum.

Larry

So Jackass, how many Americans would you have let die to make sure your hero, Khalid Sheik Mohammed's, hair stayed dry?

#13 | Posted by r_zeitgeist

If you can't PROVE your contention, Rexy-that your personal hero-george w. failure ACTUALLY saved any American lives through the use of torture-you are, as usual, full of shiite...

If you have proof-what is it?
What are their names?
What active plot was stymied in the nick of time?

And don't say shit about those idiots in florida that didn't even have any SHOES when they were picked up-(or was that-SET UP?)

Sneering-contempt-right back atcha-asswipe...

Rex, change your tampon bitch.

I'll come to Tacoma and waterboard your ass right now.

We can report the results right here on DR!

and the Bush administration was acting to protect us, including even an inbred jackass like you. #5 | Posted by nmg_no

Ha ha ha ha and 1,000 more ha ha's, you inbred GOP hillbilly moron. Bushco arrogantly ignored a document called 'Bin Laden Determined to Attack Inside the United States because it was given to them by Richard Clarke who was terrorism czar for Clinton. In other words, Mr. History Revisionist, Bush was warned, and his administration mocked all of the Al Qaeda warnings out of political, partisan contempt for Clinton. Here is Rice's verbatim reply to the 9/11 Commission. Of course you have heard this before, but you dittotards ignore the facts that don't support your failed, absurd, neocon ideology:

Asked by Democratic commissioner Richard Ben-Veniste, a former Watergate prosecutor who has read the memo, to recall the title, Rice said: "I believe the title was 'Bin Laden Determined to Attack Inside the United States.' "

Condi Admits Bushco Was Warned of Bin Laden .

But they dismissed the report out of arrogant contempt for the outgoing democratic president. Bush owns 9/11, he had the opportunity to prevent it, it happended on his watch--he protected nothing. The Iraq war is a fiasco, the Taliban is as strong as ever, Bin Laden was never captured, he accomplished nothing with North Korea, Iran made all of its nuclear progress on his watch, he ignored the Mexican border which is now spilling over drug violence into the USA. And America's economic prosperity collapsed on his watch too. Yeah, Bush protected me, you sissy rtards. ROTFLMAO

Don't forget the fact Bush told a CIA agent who came to Crawford to tell him about the memo:

"Ok, you've covered your ass."

Bush had been POTUS less than 6 months and was in the midst of a 5 week vacation at the time.

I feel safer already.

Fuckin' dead ender (and brain dead) apologists are gonna get us all killed.

Bush had been POTUS less than 6 months and was in the midst of a 5 week vacation at the time

Hard werk is hard werk!

condi is hot! I feel sorry for you libs, i'll pray for you!

Cannot expect much out of these 'affirmative action appointees'...

Cannot expect much out of these 'affirmative action appointees'...

thats bullshit! Condi was more then qualified for the job.

Well, if you mean more than qualified to be a boot-licking toadie, then you are spot on.

Condi is intelligent...will give you that, but far from qualified... Dubya/Cheney needed a 'yes' person that she had always proven to be.. female and black and loyal did not spell qualified either... she fit all AA qualifications..

Condi Rice came already filled with black blood(OIL) that's why She was chosen. The whole administration had black blood running through them.

Larry

You're such a racist, Larry.

Uh, Condi...

Before you use a line like that as a basis for your defense, you might want to study up on just how far it got Nixon...

But they dismissed the report out of arrogant contempt for the outgoing democratic president. Bush owns 9/11, he had the opportunity to prevent it, it happended on his watch--he protected nothing. The Iraq war is a fiasco, the Taliban is as strong as ever, Bin Laden was never captured, he accomplished nothing with North Korea, Iran made all of its nuclear progress on his watch, he ignored the Mexican border which is now spilling over drug violence into the USA. And America's economic prosperity collapsed on his watch too. Yeah, Bush protected me, you sissy rtards. ROTFLMAO
#20 | Posted by Newyawker at 2009-05-02 08:39 PM

kudos for the most concise argument against GOP/right/Republicans ever written
and then it just degenerates...

RE: Condi Rice Pulls a Nixon
condi's defense IS nixon's IS nuremberg, rephrased for the 21st century... read between the lines: she is squaring all the blame on the president - even implicating him (if that is her) - by saying that he knew and authorized. she's the highest-ranking official yet to confirm this. bush knew that they were bending the rules. a "compassionate conservative" claiming a deep, personal love of Jesus authorizing torture and bombing... such hypocrisy. and condi may lose sleep over it, just like janet reno over waco.
but at least rice is not using the we-learned-something-really-
important-but-can't-tell-you defense... that's obviously beneath her historic-legal intellect.
those defending americans' use of [insert euphemism here] represent the animalistic, savage side of humanity, and are on the wrong side of progress.

RICE HAD CONSIDERABLE STANDIN IN ACADEMIC COMMUNITY LONG BEFORE SHE CAME ON THE NATIONAL SCENE-FOR A PERSON WHO STARTED NOT MUCH REMOVED FROM A SHARECROPPERS SHACK SHE HAD DONE PRETTY WELL-IT AMAZES ME THAT THE TWO BLACKS (RICE AND THOMAS)WHO STARTED WITH THE LEAST ARE THE MOST UNPOPULAR AMONG LIBERALS AND BLACKS-DOES THIS MEAN YOU HAVE TO KNOW AND REMAIN IN "YOUR PLACE" DON'T STRAY TOO FAR FROM THE PLANTATION
AS A SOCIETY WE UNDERSTAND THAT DIFFERENT EXPERIENCE FORM DIFFERENT POINTS OF VIEW-BUT FOR BLACKS THERE IS ONLY ONE EXPERIENCE-WHITES TELLIN US WHAT TO THINK AND WHO WE ARE SUSPOSEd TO BE
JASMAN

SammyV
if clinton thought radical islam was a danger why didn't he do something about it ----maybe bush and his admin were awed by the fact such a great intelect chose to let it ride -and hesitated
jasman

#33 | Posted by newjasman at 2009-05-03 10:16 AM | Reply | Flag: Pathetic

Rice isn't getting hammered because she dared "stray too far from the planation." You know how to read. So, give it a whirl. She's being criticized for "pulling a Nixon." Do you even know what that's about? She's offering as a defense the one used by those who execute outrageous orders by falling back on the claim that she was only acting under orders. It's called "The Nuremberg Defense" with good reason.

And by the way, while you've characterized her as starting out "not much removed from a sharecropper shack" that's also off the charts. Her father was a minister and her mother a minister, high school guidance counselor, and teacher.

C'mon, turn on a light and leave the fantasy world behind.

Doc_Sarvis
and what was her grandfather and why was he a republican
jasman

#36 | Posted by newjasman

You said, "for a person who started not much removed from a shrecropper shack." I pointed out that Rice was reared far from a "sharecropper shack," since her family was decidedly middle class.

Now you scurry around her family tree and ask, "and what was her grandfather and why was he a republican."

Her mother's father (that would be her grandfather) was a coal digger. Her father's father (another grandfather) was a minister. You need to go back to gthe great-grandparents era to find anyone working the land as a farmer. (Here you go: www.wargs.com)

It was in no way unusual for African Americans to vote Republican between the end of the Civil War and the New Deal --- that is, when they could vote let alone register to vote. They were fighting the power structure in the South, which was Democratic. The Republicans were the party of Lincoln, hence early allegiance. Sorely tried, I'd add, by the Compromise of 1877 via which the Republicans basically said, "You're on your own now." Thereafter, major slippage towards alternatives, including the Democrats. This, especially during the New Deal and thereafter.

Hmmmm....What's you point?

didn't the reps lose the 1876 elections and the dems pulled the federal troops out of the south leadin to the risin of the klan and end of reconstruction
jasman

"didn't the reps lose the 1876 elections and the dems pulled the federal troops out of the south leadin to the risin of the klan and end of reconstruction"

Yes and no. The 1876 election ended up with both the Republican candidate (Hayes) and Democratic nominee (Tilden) short of the number of electoral votes they needed to win the presidency. (In Tilden's case, 1 electoral vote.) The Compromise of 1877 is what the unwritten agreement between the Republicans and Democrats ended up doing: Turning over disputed electoral votes, primarily in the the South, to Hayes. In the end, Hayes got one more electoral vote than he needed to win, while Tilden remained stalled 1 vote shy.

In return, the Reublicans ended Reconstruction and withdrew federal troops from the South. The KKK had been going earlier but it really took over after 1877. Soon you had legalized segregation on the basis of "race."

Essentially, the Republicans decided those electoral votes were more important to them than any promises they'd made to protect newly freed slaves from the not so tender mercies of their former owners.

It's tricky, trying to equate modern political parties with those back then, though.

Anyway, for many years the descendants of those freed slaves often voted Republican -- again, when they could vote or even register -- because the Democrats in the South represented repression.

The white South was basically a bastion of those reactionary Democrats until they saw some new possibilities in the 1964 presidential election (strong rightward swing by the GOP). But, especially, when Nixon's folks started peddling the "Southern Strategy." Then many of those Democrats became Republicans.

a filthy token pos whore. her positioning simply shows that herr bush didnt even understand the peter principle

damn you libs sure do turn into a bunch of racists when the Black Women is a Republican hmmmmmm....

Condi Rice is nothing but a tool.

What a waste of her intelligence.

Condi can do the cover of Field & Stream if she wears those boots.

www.tulipgirl.com

Ok..I agree with you, I love the boots!

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www.korlapundit.com

www.peteykins.com

homepages.vvm.com

Now we have Hillary as Secretary of State.

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But I prefer a more rounded or square toe virsus the pointy toe as one those boots.

" I prefer a more rounded or square toe "

As long as they're red thigh-highs.
images.buycostumes.com

LOL

Nawww...just knee high boots are good.

My favorite boots??

more my style

I like the high lace-ups.
A man could spend some high-quality time unlacing them.

"I like the high lace-ups.
A man could spend some high-quality time unlacing them."

Here ya go! Have fun!

Zat will be busy for a bit

Nurse, I need blood pressure pills ...

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What if Condi did something that emulated John Boehner? The headline would be great, even allowing for correct pronunciation of Boehner's name.

Cannot expect much out of these 'affirmative action appointees'... -- #24 | Posted by drsoul

She was abundantly qualified for the job. I attended one of her academic presentations many years ago, when she was still an assistant prof. She blew everyone away -- whip-smart, polished, etc. etc.

Put her in the same box as Rove and Cheney. Race/gender has nothing to do with her failures at NSA and State.

You people should try talking to a WWII vet, if you can find one still alive and get them to talk about their experiences

I am sure many of you would want to try them as war criminals. Although it wasn't called torture back then, it was called winning.

War is only reich when america does it.

it only became the reich unter herr bush and his band of nazis

#56 - Wow how clever. Why dont you TM that and put it on a t-shirt?

#57 - This obsession with these WW2 terms - sensible people scratch their heads over it. If GWB was really like this, he wouldn't have handed power over to the new President on January 20. Think a little about the terms you use.

You guys must be a couple of youngsters, under 40 I would guess.

The day I heard Rice say on my car radio: "The United States does not torture people," I punched my radio off and have not listened to a sentence she's spoken since.

Notice how in this interview she first defends torture and THEN claims we weren't using it? This is a clueless person who dishonored our country as secretary of state--and she still is.

Her name should never be forgotten; it should forever be linked to the George W. Bush administration and the damage it did to our country. Bush, Cheney, Rice, Rumsfeld, Rove--keep them together. Don't ever forget.

The comment above (#24) that pegs Rice as an "affirmative action appointee" is, I think, unfair. I have no idea if that played a role at any point in the arc of her career, but she's definitely no bozo. And speaking of career, I think that's her problem: Condi Rice is, above all else, a careerist. She strikes me as someone who will do or say whatever it takes to acquire trophies for her display case. Essentially, she's a vita builder. That's not to say there aren't some worthy mentions in the vita. Sure there are. But there are also some whopping clunkers, i.e. her association with Bush-Cheney. I'm sure she's quite sincere in offering the Nuremberg Defense, which makes her doing so all the more disappointingly pathetic.

RICE MAY HAVE ADMITTED TO CONSIRACY, FORMER NIXON COUNSEL SAYS
rawstory.com

In little-noticed comments Thursday, the former White House counsel for President Richard Nixon John Dean said Thursday that former Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice may have unwittingly admitted to a criminal conspiracy when questioned about torture by a group of student videographers at Stanford....

"She tried to say she didn't authorize anything, then proceeded to say she did pass orders along to the CIA to engage in torture if it was legal by the standard of the Department of Justice," Dean said. "This really puts her right in the middle of a common plan, as it's known in international law, or a conspiracy, as it's known in American law, and this indeed is a crime. If it indeed happened the way we think it did happen."...

Too bad. Condi keeps stepping deeper and deeper into it.

#60 - Doc I hate to say it but I agree with most of your post.

How many lives would have been saved if Congress waterboarded Bush and Rumsfeld until they admitted they were lying about the reasons to declare war on Iraq?

How many lives would have been saved if Congress waterboarded Bush and Rumsfeld until they admitted they were lying about the reasons to declare war on Iraq?

Considering that the lefties maintain that torture doesn't work and that the tortured will say whatever the torturer wants to hear -- no lives would have been saved.

I think we should waterboard all the repubs on this site 183 times and see if they think it was torture or a little water dripping on their head.

#12 | Posted by rastaninja


Why? Who else has been waterboarded 183 times? Oh, do you mean that story from the liberal media about the guy who got waterboarded 183 times? What they forgot to tell you is that they poured water over his face 183 times. He was not waterboarded on 183 seperate occassions.

Oh, well THAT'S better.

Nevermind.

Condi is intelligent...will give you that, but far from qualified... Dubya/Cheney needed a 'yes' person that she had always proven to be.. female and black and loyal did not spell qualified either... she fit all AA qualifications..

#27 | Posted by drsoul

If Condi wasn't qualified, in your eyes, then Obama sure as hell isn't qualified.

BFD

Stanford has a lot of whack-job liberal Democrats. I graduated Stanford and I have seen the insanity up close.

I remember a group of feminazis who said that "voluntary sex" between a man and a woman was "battery" upon the woman. True story - I was there. One group of students once had a protest wearing hockey masks and the Stanford Daily (the student newspaper) accused the group of being KKK members. Give these kids a calculus formula and they are great. Give them the NY Times and they are a mess.

Condi rocks!

I lost all respect for Condi when she choose to lie for Bush and Cheney. She should have stood up to them. Condi IS intelligent and that is what bothers me. She knew better. And she continues to try and support the Big Lie. I will always wonder what it was that they had on her. She would have been much better off standing up for the American people and for Truth. She made her bed and now she has to lie in it.

Too bad, I did like her in those boots!

"She made her bed and now she has to lie in it."

Hey, that was very punny!


I lost all respect for Condi when she choose to lie for Bush and Cheney. She should have stood up to them. Condi IS intelligent and that is what bothers me. She knew better. And she continues to try and support the Big Lie. I will always wonder what it was that they had on her. She would have been much better off standing up for the American people and for Truth. She made her bed and now she has to lie in it.


Too bad, I did like her in those boots!

Posted by donnerboy at 2009-05-04 06:27 PM | Reply


She has Black blood just like Dubya and Cheney. Chevron was expected to make huge bank invading Iraq that's why She lied.

Larry

www.sfgate.com

I will always wonder what it was that they had on her.

Neo-Condi was working for Chevron at the same time that they were paying Saddam his bribe money in the Oil for Food scandal.

It is alleged that she was initimately involved is the kick backs.

She was given plausible deniability for her involvement by leaving just before she would have been tainted by the scandal.

The timing on her leaving and the scandal surfacing are just so tight that some people have specualted that it was no coincidence.

Idle speculation perhaps.

Then again, maybe not.

Be Well.

"I graduated Stanford....

#70 | Posted by utastaff at 2009-05-04 04:48 PM"

And she sets her own fractures, and can't wear wrist watches. utafullofit!

And she sets her own fractures, and can't wear wrist watches. utafullofit!

Posted by mOntecOre at 2009-05-04 06:37 PM | Reply

I believe that was GITMBoy not this one.

Larry

Try to keep up, Larry.

www.huffingtonpost.com

Nice Link Larry- this kinda sums it up for me...


In his book, Woodward also quotes David Kay, who led the hunt for WMD after the invasion, and found out --to his own surprise-- that there were none. Kay later told a NSC staffer who claimed that Rice "was the best national security adviser in the history of the United States": "Well, she could have stopped trying to be the best friend of the president and be the best adviser and realize she's got this screening function," Kay said.

When Tenet had insisted the WMD case was a "slam dunk," she should have followed up aggressively, demanding a full reexamination of every last shred of the "slam dunk" evidence......'She was probably the worst national security adviser in modern times since the office was created,' he said."

one incompetent token whore, whose time has come and gone.

#2 | POSTED BY GEORGEISADRUNK

In your world, are there any black conservatives who aren't "token."

"I graduated Stanford....

nd she sets her own fractures, and can't wear wrist watches. utafullofit!

#76 | Posted by mOntecOre at 2009-05-04 06:37 PM | Reply | Flag: insanely jealous

I lost all respect for Condi when she choose to lie for Bush and Cheney. She should have stood up to them.--#71 | Posted by donnerboy

I doubt she lied for Bush and Cheney. She's an old cold warrior, and has never been a shrinking violet. It's just as likely that she truly believed that Iraq had WMD and a dangerous nuclear program, gave more credence to her own assessment than anyone else's, and thought waiting for evidence was as smart as waiting for "the mushroom cloud," as she put it.

#82 | Posted by goatman at 2009-05-04 07:55 PM | Reply | Flag: Believes UTA; Explains Love of AU

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