Drudge Retort: Red Meat for Yellow Dogs
Sunday, May 03, 2009

A genetic study on the African continent found the most diverse of all genetic pools around. This same place that founded humanity as decidedly dark peoples. There is an amazing group of people that claim to trace there heritage "all the way back" as pure white Aryan blood. It seems these people came from the same place as all of the rest of us. Though this type of finding wasn't the purpose of the study, it does pont out the stupidity of racial purity. Evolving to fit the environment was a later day element that created the lighter peoples.

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"...it does pont (sic)out the stupidity of racial purity"

It also points out the stupidity of any 'black' person deriving his identity from his skin color. In fact, it's no different than finding an Aryan identity in white skin.

We're a single species.

Every human on this planet is from Africa.
Deal with it.

"A genetic map of Africa - the continent from which all modern humans originate - has provided information about its huge diversity of language and culture."
news.bbc.co.uk

It also points out the stupidity of any 'black' person deriving his identity from his skin color.

If I were to try to tell this to a black person, I would be called an uncle tom. Most ignorant blacks only choose science when it benefits them.


Most ignorant blacks only choose science when it benefits them.

#4 | Posted by boaz


Just like ignorant whites.

LOL. It is written in the bible about fallen angels or aliens that interbreeded with mankind. Whose to say Aliens are still not doing it?

Boo! Mulder!

"Evolving to fit the environment"

Apparently certain groups of ghetto dwellers and trailer trash haven't evolved to fit the information age environment of modern day America or they wouldn't need so much pampering from the government.

There is an alternative theory that humans started in more than one place.

One day several years ago at a Kroger on Cleveland street in south Atlanta there was a man walking down the aisle and he had that special world-covering walk like you see with the Kalahari Bushmen on the TV specials about them. I looked at his face and although he was just wearing regular clothes I was quite confident he was a Bushman. Dang, I so much wanted to talk to him! But I could not figure out anything worthy to say to bust into his personal space. To be genetically descended from the same people as that guy is an honor.


It also points out the stupidity of any 'black' person deriving his identity from his skin color.

If I were to try to tell this to a black person, I would be called an uncle tom. Most ignorant blacks only choose science when it benefits them.
#4 | Posted by boaz

Most black people will admit that their identifying with their skin color is a cultural thing, not a genetic thing... except for the Israelites, maybe.

This is a funny article. But black genes are dominant. "An alternate theory that humans started in one place" FWTHOM Oooo so non PC. That would really screw up our world.

We would have the indiginous people and non indiginous. Who would get the most welfare and kickbacks from Uncle Sam?

There is an alternative theory that humans started in more than one place.
..........#8 | Posted by fwthom

......I'll bite......pls explain this "alternative theory"......

......I'll bite......pls explain this "alternative theory"......
#12 | Posted by skizziks

Ha HA!

Sucker.

:)

There could have been more than one monolith.

The governments of the world try their hardest to suppress the current Alien visitations happening daily.

There could have been more than one monolith.
#14 | Posted by fwthom

Ooh ooh OOH!!

A 2001 reference.

See skiizzi? LOL.

There could have been more than one monolith.

There was more than on monolith: The one on the moon and the march larger one in Jupiter (Saturn in the book) space.


There could have been more than one monolith.
........#14 | Posted by fwthom

.....and I thought it was going to something goofy....

This article is not based on a theory, but on a study of genetics. All peoples share a common ancestry, and genetics now allow us to trace the markers throughout our evolution.

"It is the result of the largest African genetic study ever undertaken.

The work revealed the continent to be the most genetically diverse place on Earth, and identified descendents of our earliest human ancestors. "

So the reason I asked fwthom for his "alternative theory" was to see what Jesus-Trash he would come up with.

#8 | Posted by fwthom at 2009-05-03 08:59 AM | Reply | Flag: fw=fuckwit

www.nationalgeographic.com

speculations....

"It also points out the stupidity of any 'black' person deriving his identity from his skin color."

It also points out the pure and irrational bigotry of any 'white' person assigning an identity based on skin color and subsequently treating these people as little more than animals.

And some of these very same irrational, low-life, POS bigots darken this very cyber-portal daily, and are in fact posting in this very thread.

"speculations...."

#21 | Posted by takitez at 2009-05-03 10:31 AM | Reply | Flag: ironic (and speculative)


speculations....

#21 | Posted by takitez

Of course the religious whackos (especially the white rednecky ones) believe that the black race was created when Ham (son of Noah) saw his fathers nakedness (whatever the hell that means), and was cast out. The other two brother populated the rest of the earth and Ham populated Africa.

en.wikipedia.org

They don't need no stinking science.

"They don't need no stinking science. "

Except when it comes time to post bullshit on the interwebs.
icanhascheezburger.files.wordp ress.com


Negroid features ROCK!

Be Well.



Negroid features ROCK!

#26 | Posted by skip_wellington

I am sure you feel that way.


Chicken features rock.

----chicken plucker----

"Pure white" Aryan blood is a misnomer in itself.
Tosser is more Aryan than any blonde haired, blue eyed son.
Its got a Sanskrit root, and basically means speakers of N. Indian languages. Or rather, it meant that once.
That original definition mistakenly morphed into something akin to native Indo-European speakers, leading to the fiction of a White Aryan Race, a concept appropriated by the Nazis in their anti-Semitism campaign, effectively corrupting the word for all time.

Everybody came from Africa at one point. Except for those of you who came from aliens, of which there are apparently quite a few.


So then, another way of saying this would be all humanity started in Africa. Then some evolved further and became other races while others failed to evolve and retained the more primitive features and lifestyles?

You know, this used to be the theory in the 1950's, but the posters that showed the European man evolved from the African man were removed due to political correctness....so which is it?

I don't know about the rest of you but.... my blood is red. At least the last time I looked. I have never heard of anyone with white or black blood.

Lip demonstrates ignorance, "They don't need no stinking science."

Neither do you! You show the same lack of knowledge that the Fundamentalist's display in their claims!

It is always the effort of religionist and anti-religionists to make themselves into enemies and by using the same illogical references to the Bible!

[Certainly the religionists do so from belief, and while it is unsure why anti-religionists try and use a source they disbelieve!]

In the Wikipedia reference, the fact that Ham is the father of Canaan is redacted and also not provided is the original quote in Genesis:

Genesis 9:22 And HAM, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brethren without.

You notice, of course, that although Canaan is the son of Ham, that Canaan wasn't confined to Africa, but was given the Land of Canaan:

Genesis 10:19 And the border of the CANAANites was from Sidon, as thou comest to Gerar, unto Gaza; as thou goest, unto Sodom, and Gomorrah, and Admah, and Zeboim, even unto Lasha.

This was Shem's territory! Why was Canaan rewarded for Ham's seeing Noah naked?

Because it was "naked" with Canaan ...

... good fodder for anti-religionists, what?

... except you Leftists can't discredit homosexuality by mocking it ... right?

#31 - Good point. Anybody with black blood is probably past caring and already 6 feet under.

Personally, my good man, I am blessed with blue blood.

"...This was Shem's territory! Why was Canaan rewarded for Ham's seeing Noah naked?"

#32 | Posted by tadowe at 2009-05-03 12:31 PM | Reply | Flag


TAD - those are all good questions about Shem. But what of Larry and Moe, sir?

Personally, my good man, I am blessed with blue blood.

Are you a horseshoe crab?

The Horseshoe Crab has blue blood, as it uses copper rather than iron as the base of its system

#35 - FF - dammit I was doing my Uncle Teddy impersonation, not a horseshoe crab.

Personally, I've never seen a blood colored anything but red.

But when one people has been pissed upon by another people for as long as black folk in America have been pissed upon by white folk, you surely cannot blame them for adopting some kind of protective coloration - which others may call culture. herm

The Human Body contains BOTH Blue blood and Red blood. The Blue blood is oxygen deprived where the red blood is oxygen rich.

Larry

Does this mean I get reparation money?

The Blue blood is oxygen deprived where the red blood is oxygen rich.

Then why is it when they pull blood out of a vein in your arm it is red?

Because there is atmospheric oxygen present in the needle that draws the blood.

Larry

Because there is atmospheric oxygen present in the needle that draws the blood.

Not if a syringe with a plunger is used. The blood is still read, even when pouring into a vacuum.

Mrfair proves the opposite, "TAD - those are all good questions about Shem. But what of Larry and Moe, sir?"

I dote on those who attack and mock knowledge, Mrimsofunny, but you and you ilk will never be able to understand that, will you, as you clowns come out of your little 'car' to amuse the audience?

But when one people has been pissed upon by another people for as long as black folk in America have been pissed upon by white folk, you surely cannot blame them for adopting some kind of protective coloration - which others may call culture. herm

#37 | Posted by herm

But sir, they are still pissing on each other in Africa right now. Who, pray tell walked very far back into the African bush in the 1700s to capture all thoes blacks? Look close, it was other blacks and they are still doing it.

That's not to excuse what was done to the blacks here in the US but at least they are free here not like in Black Africa today.

By the way, my forfathers had not leagly imigrated to this country prior to 1900. They did come in through Ellis Island leagly.

Human blood is red, ranging from bright red when oxygenated to dark red when not. It owes its colour to hemoglobin, a metalloprotein compound containing iron in the form of heme, to which oxygen binds. There exists a popular misconception that deoxygenated blood is blue and that blood only becomes red when it comes into contact with oxygen. Blood is never blue, but veins appear blue because light is diffused by skin. Moreover, the blood inside is dark red and exhibits poor light reflection. From a physiological perspective, veins and arteries appear similar when skin is removed and are seen directly.

www.biology-online.org

Not if a syringe with a plunger is used. The blood is still read, even when pouring into a vacuum.

Posted by goatman at 2009-05-03 01:07 PM | Reply

Sure there is. When a needle is made there is atospheric boxygen at the plant. When the needle is removed in the hospital there is oxygen present in the atmosphere of the hospital room is there not?? A needle doesn't have to have both openings open to the outside air to contain oxygen. What a dumbshit.

Larry

What a dumbshit.

Calling me names does not change the facts, Larry. Humans do not have blue blood. If so, why haven't you ever seen it? Why have there been no pictures of it?

Best of all, why can't you produce a link that says de-oxygenated blood is blue? Because no such a link exists, that's why.

Oh, BTW, you have two senators and one representative who represent you in Congress, not one, regardless what you think.

Then tell that to My 10th grade science teacher then Goatman.

Larry

Then tell that to My 10th grade science teacher then Goatman.

OK. What is his/her name and address?

I've heard that Kansas had shitty schools, but to teach their students lies like they are represented by only one senator and people have blue blood is inexcusable.

But give me the name and address of this stupid teacher of yours, and I'll tell him what a dumb fuck he is.

BTW, What did you think of the link I posted? Want to see more that say the same thing?

Larry says, "Then tell that to My 10th grade science teacher then ..."

How about you read the Wikipedia entry?

Blood in the arteries is bright red from the oxygen content, blood in the veins is dark red from the lack of oxygen. Blood in veins can look "blue" when viewed through the skin because of light refraction and other factors.

Every human on this planet is from Africa.
Deal with it. "A genetic map of Africa - the continent from which all modern humans originate - has provided information about its huge diversity of language and culture." news.bbc.co.uk #3 | Posted by Zatoichi

Ok, so you are saying that blacks are the middle evolutionary link between non-black humans and chimpanzees? Because we all come from chimpanzees, you know, the 99.5 common genetic footprint and all. Ah, but you want your cake and to eat it too, I suppose...

Veinous blood is much darker than arterial blood, and your teacher is right that oxygenated (arterial) blood is 'redder' than deoxygenated (veinous) blood. However, human blood is not blue.

www.askabiologist.org.uk

No, actually the "color" of venous blood is rather dark. There is no
blue tint at all, but just a sort of blackish-muddy look with red, not
blue, undertones (looking at venous blood in the clear plastic return
line of a heart-lung machine, for example). That venous blood is
"blue" is one of the great myths of our time.

yarchive.net

Blood is NEVER BLUE! Give one logical explanation as to how blood magically changes colors. the reason why your veins are blue is because the filtration of light through the skin. In text books they draw deoxygenated blood blue just to make it stand out. IT is never blue. Only slightly darker red.

help.com


NewYawker -

I pointed that out in Post #30. I have yet to see a cogent answer to the problem presented. I am sure that part of the answer will be to call me a racist for pointing out the problem.

Actually evolution played a big role in creating the many physical and mental properties if the human specie. A dark skin color is a result of evolution in the tropics. It protects the body better in a tropical setting. Blacks tend to be better athletes because they evolved in a place where speed and agility help them hunt and gather year round in the jungle tropics. The people who moved north need more brain then brawn to survive through the harsh winters. They developed technology better then the blacks. They also tend to have higher IQ's then average Africans needed simply because the smartest people survived the seasons better.

Today the blacks that made it to America gained intelligence by interbreeding with the Caucasians and the Caucasians gained some physical abilities.

This is one reason why Africa is in so much turmoil today. The people there stagnated in the brains department and threw out the whites who brought them technology. Their only solution to overpopulation is genocide.

Newyawker says, "... we all come from chimpanzees, you know, the 99.5 common genetic footprint and all."

Well, this isn't all that sure, anymore, and since it appears that despite coming from Africa, supposedly millions of years ago, *ALL* human beings alive today can be traced back to a common ancestor 100,000 - 200,000 years ago.

If they diverged from Chimpanzees, at that time, then something is drastically wrong with evolutionary theory!!!

There are many genetic factors to include or exclude in comparing humans with chimps or other great apes. In fact, it appears that Orangutans may be closer to human genetic "evolution" than are chimps, if some excluded factors are considered.

The great ape closest to human is the orangutan, when social factors are considered.

We are in the infancy of knowledge concerning genetics and our human evolution ... so declarations of 'fact' concering these issues will remain moot.

TAD

I believe you are more closely related to apes than the average human. LOL

Americanunity tries for disunity, "I believe you are more closely related to apes than the average human. LOL"

And, your "belief" is what kind of fact?

You leftist ilk will never understand how delighted I am at receiving your insults and obsessive attention(s!) Never!

Come on back with me as your subject to get neurotic over ...

I do not wish for unity with your ilk, TADOWE

(YES!! I'M SPEAKING DIRECTLY TO YOU!!)

Have a nice day :-)

Americandisunity continues, "I do not wish for unity with your ilk, TADOWE"

Of course you don't! You want to put me into a re-education camp, or on a train to some "camp" where I can be made into useful products ...

That's why you avoid reality about "torture" using "waterboarding" and that it was conducted in VIETNAM BY THE CIA!!!

It may not have started then, but even before Korea, where the US condoned the S. Korean beating to death of prisoners ... or Bosnia/Serbia, where murder is done to avoid a trial of Milosevic ...

You don't want to admit that "torture" has been done and condoned by DEMOCRAT presidents ...

... you scum only want to try and convict REPUBLICANS, like nazi-wannabe marchers for DEMOCRATS; wielding your lying verbal batons and saluting your messiah leader ...

Sounds like Tadfly's been out in the woods picking
'shrooms again.

"Tadfly"

#62 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2009-05-03 02:20 PM | Reply | Flag: newsworthy

I agree you've been eating 'shrooms' again, TADOWE

You sound like a raving lunatic. You must be one.

I don't think you need to be in a reeducation camp.

A secure mental ward would be appropriate though.

Mrfair proves the opposite, "TAD - those are all good questions about Shem. But what of Larry and Moe, sir?"

I dote on those who attack and mock knowledge, Mrimsofunny, but you and you ilk will never be able to understand that, will you, as you clowns come out of your little 'car' to amuse the audience?

#43 | Posted by tadowe at 2009-05-03 01:12 PM | Reply | Flag:


Cool! I have an ilk ! My first since joining the DR so many years ago. I'm speechless.

Tad - I was just making a little funny - I wasn't attacking your post or anything. But do I still get to keep my ilk?

Mr Fair makes excuses, "Tad - I was just making a little funny - I wasn't attacking your post or anything. But do I still get to keep my ilk?"

BS! Mocking me, is an attempt to avoid contradicting my comments ... go fool a leftist ...

You mock me, personally, you're an f'ing duck ....

"Leftists" cannot be fooled!

How'd that W Presidency work out for you, TADOWE?

Americanunity keeps trying, "How'd that W Presidency work out for you, TADOWE?"

I'm not a Republican, you obsessed idiot!

I'm an ex-Democrat who saw the base cowardice for votes of the party beginning in '68, and continuing ever since (but only when a Republican is president!)

I never defend Republicans, but rather answer the lies and stupid propaganda issued by the leftist creeps of American ... of which ilk you are a member ...

The FACTS are that the CIA conducted waterboarding in Vietnam, so it wasn't Bush who authorized their usage of this tactic.

On top of that, I truly believe that most Americans can see the sense in limiting such expression(s) of American prerogatives and assigning it to only be done by the CIA, and only during extreme national emergencies.

Only the cowards of the Leftist Democrats see votes in trying to lie about this and make Republicans into icons to hate and revile - fellow Americans who DID NOT START THIS PRACTICE ...

... you lying sheits ...

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha !!!!

TADOWE, you're always good for a chuckle.

Hey, TADOWE

Ronald Reagan ordered the Justice Dept. to prosecute a Texas sheriff for waterboarding a prisoner to extract a 'confession'.

You should be waterboarded!

Mr Fair makes excuses, "Tad - I was just making a little funny - I wasn't attacking your post or anything. But do I still get to keep my ilk?"

BS! Mocking me, is an attempt to avoid contradicting my comments ... go fool a leftist ...

You mock me, personally, you're an f'ing duck ....

#67 | Posted by tadowe at 2009-05-03 02:54 PM | Reply | Flag:


Um, Tad - get a sense of humor. Seriously - I had no interest in arguing your post at all, except to attempt a cheap Shemp-Larry-Moe laugh. And then you accused me of having an ilk, which I repeat, has never happened to me in the DR. Being Mr Fair, I have studiously tried to avoid an ilk, but as Danni, Herm and others will tell you I can't help it at lean slightly to the right of dead center.

But I STILL try to be fair.

So I take it back - forget the "ilk" comment I made. Fair enough?

My 'ilk' include all who aren't of TADOWE's 'ilk'. Likely 90% of Americans.

Mrfair tries more personal attack, "Um, Tad - get a sense of humor."

Ah, a petty dictator, on top of becoming neurotically obsessed with making me the subject.

Why don't you say something 'funny,' Mrdim.

"Seriously ..."

A petty dictatorial car salesman?

"... then you accused me of having an ilk ..."

You made no effort to address the comments I made, except to mock them! Yet, I'm supposed to think you are only being humorous, and not just another leftist creep out to make me the subject?

You are a bit bricklike, what?

"... others will tell you I can't help it at lean slightly to the right of dead center."

Then, I suggest you try some smarts and leave me out of your "humorous" efforts.

"But I STILL try to be fair."

BS! You are making excuses to be "fair" to yourself!

"So I take it back - forget the "ilk" comment I made. Fair enough?"

I may, or may not - but I still suggest that you take your personal comments somewhere else ...

TADOWE

You're puling so loudly it's reached the point you should be waterboard this very afternoon.

#74 I already told you I didn't care what was in your original post! And I am no Leftist. Just ask any Leftist in the DR.

waterboardED

Everyone is a 'Leftist' compared to TADOWE. He makes Barry Goldwater seem like a Johnson Democrat in comparison.

Thom: The Evolution of Man

It was a stand off at the water hole until one morning the monolith appeared to one tribe of apes, and when they touched it they received the wisdom they needed to make the next evolutionary jump. No one knows for sure where the monolith cames from, whether it was god or space aliens. It remains an enigma.

Now, that one group of apes had the knowledge of tool making and discoved a club and dominated the other group. Both groups of apes became men but only one had the knowledge from the monolith.

The tool making ape men rule the world now and the vanquished ape men became pirates, terrorists or live on welfare.

FWT are you really Tim Allen?

Mrfair is actively dim, "#74 I already told you I didn't care what was in your original post! And I am no Leftist. Just ask any Leftist in the DR."

Listen, dippy, I won't be your accepting subject!

You are an egocentric jerk, whatever your politics!

If you don't discuss the subject, or points raised, then you are just another stupid idiot trying to misdirect, like the leftist ilk are impelled to do.

If you continue to reply with me as the subject, or your self-apologies, I will continue to notice what a moron you make of yourself.

How "funny" will that be?

Wow now who is making actual ad hominem attacks? You may have "felt" mocked, but I certainly didn't call you any names.

I have to go now, but please see my original post. It was a yuk-yuk at the expense of the Holy Bible. I am already in trouble with Someone much bigger than you.

Signing off, with no name-calling.

Mr Fair


Wow, the ignorance it must take not to be able to differentiate between the waterboarding of non-uniformed enemy combatants captured on the battlefield to which the Geneva convention does not apply and the waterboarding of an American that was arrested by American law enforcement on American soil.

No wonder you are a dem...your second brain cell hasn't completely awakened.

Waterboarding was illegal internationally under the Geneva Convention and under U.S. law - as the case in Texas bears out.

Duh

Using high pressure water hoses to 'discipline' prisoners and mental patients is against the law, too.

Why aren't you trying to end that practice by NUMEROUS organizations in the USA?

No votes in doing that, huh? You are only "sensitive" to other's pain when a Republican can be blamed, isn't that correct, MrAmericanhypocrisy?

How do you know they're using high pressure water hoses on prisoners and mental patients, TADOWE? I had no idea they did. That must have pissed you off. Just where did they do this to you?


AU,

The statement is true ONLY when the convention applies. Non-uniformed combatants are not covered by the convention.

You are an egocentric jerk, whatever your politics!

#81 | Posted by tadowe at 2009-05-03 03:32 PM | Reply | Flag: Just checked a reflective surface

The statement is true ONLY when the convention applies. Non-uniformed combatants are not covered by the convention.

Posted by A_Citizen at 2009-05-03 03:52 PM | Reply

tHE SUPREME COURT DISAGREES WITH yOU. tHEIR OPINION OUTWEIGHS yOURS bY MULTIPLE SPADES. BWahahahahaha Sorry about the caps lock. I wasn't gonna retype it.

Larry


Larry,

Let's see the case. Give up the citation as to this specific issue.

Let's see the case. Give up the citation as to this specific issue.

Larry never does. He just sputters and spews and calls people names. He told me he had only one senator representing him and that Kansas has 'senatorial' districts. I asked for a link to a map of these districts. I'm still waiting. But although he couldn't produce a link, he still calls names.

Same in this thread. I'm a dumbshit for challenging him about his assertion that people have blue blood. I even linked to several sites that said this is one of the biggest myths ever. I asked for him to cite a link. He won't

Likewise, Larry the chickenshit will not cite the Supreme court case he is blathering about. Larry is an idiot who just spouts whatever his party tells him to. He's a mindless shill for the DNC and that is all that matters to him. The truth doesn't matter at all -- only the party. The party trumps the truth in Larry's little world.

What about the Vanderbilts, the Rockefellers?

"Blue Bloods"

Ha!

For A_Citizen
en.wikipedia.org
For Goatman fuck off You useless piece of shit. Why do You ruin every fucking thread You jump on??

Larry

"Because we all come from chimpanzees...

#51 | Posted by Newyawker at 2009-05-03 01:32 PM | Reply | Flag: Larry's 10th Grade Teacher


(Um, no, we don't come from chimpanzees, or any other ape for that matter.)

An apparently little known fact to certain posters.

All of humanities races-ALL of them-can be trace back 50,000 years back to one single woman. This was a black woman I believe in central Africa.

All of us share a common beging. It is shown that there were no separate (but equal) starting points. The migration routs of modern man are amazingly well documented and prove that most early humanoid forms were failures.

However, certain posters have me convinced in the reality of the throwback.

Mr Fair proves his obsession, "Wow now who is making actual ad hominem attacks? You may have "felt" mocked, but I certainly didn't call you any names."

You mistake me for some leftist lying "sensitive," and since I have never said I would not attack, ad hominem.

You started it with your mockery, however much of an excuse of 'funny' you attempt to make of it. And, believe you me, I'll finish it.

"I have to go now, but please see my original post."

I suspect you'll not be making me your 'funny' subject in any future time you come back ... or else you are a leftist.

Reference post #95-Had to provide a link or be shot for racial defamation.


www.sfgate.com

Waterboarding was illegal internationally under the Geneva Convention and under U.S. law - as the case in Texas bears out.

Then the "right" ignores US law, Treaties signed by the U.S. and latches onto:

Let's see the case. Give up the citation as to this specific issue.

The Supreme Court held in Hamdan V Rumsfeld that the Geneva Conventions applied, specifically wrt right of a trial. The precedent and priority of the GC are established. All aspects are applicable or none would be cited by the SCOTUS. There were no caveats.

There is no dispute our own law, TITLE 18, PART I, CHAPTER 113C, 2340. The Geneva Conventions outlaw torture. Universal Declaration of Human Rights - which the U.S. helped draft and signed in 1948 is quite clear.

There is no contrary legal debate to be made. Only rationalization and justification.

All of us share a common beging. [sic]

It's what HAS happened since...the mixing, the blending, the selection of mates, and the alteration of the genome. There's more diversity thaN skin color and other physical attributes. Our brains have evolved - at least most of us.

tHeN tHeRe'S lARrY d'MoHRoN

Yav among others misdirects, "There is no contrary legal debate to be made. Only rationalization and justification."

Too rich! The Left recognizes precedent for managing the law outside of congressional responsibility, but deny precedent when it comes to "TORTURE."

No "TORTURE" was done by the CIA BEFORE BUSH!!!

You stupid idiots conflate the general law with conduct during a time of national emergency ... of the same kind that allowed the HERO Roosevelt to censor the mail, put non-combatants in camps, steal their property and TORTURE THEM FOR BEING OF A SPECIFIC RACE or NATIONALITY!

Johnson's CIA conducted waterboarding during VIETNAM ...

BUT BUSH IS RESPONSIBLE FOR TORTURE ... not Clinton, not Carter, not Kennedy, not Truman and NOT ROOSEVELT!

Creep liars of the left are becoming oh-so obvious in their pogrom against the right ... the neo-Juden or the neo-Nazi party ...

Why do You ruin every fucking thread You jump on??

I do it all for you, Larry.

Why do you never admit when you are wrong? Or do you still maintain you have only one senator and there is blue colored blood in your body?

Larry never does. He just sputters and spews and calls people names.
...
Likewise, Larry the chickenshit will not cite the Supreme court case he is blathering about. Larry is an idiot who just spouts whatever his party tells him to. He's a mindless shill for the DNC and that is all that matters to him. The truth doesn't matter at all -- only the party. The party trumps the truth in Larry's little world.

#91 | Posted by goatman at 2009-05-03 04:13 PM | Reply | Flag Speaks for itself

There may have been torture by the CIA and others--ven police3 departmnts wre well known for applying tortre to suspects. But it was never sanctioned by the nation or the White House. When brought to light, te nation rejected torture for police suspects, and has shown contempt for other countries that endorse torture.

Bush is the only President to endorse torture as a national policy, supported by his whole administration. This endorsemet shamed America, and those who support torture are cowardly shameful Americans.


Larry,

You should do more legal research than just wikipedia. The actual language of the case says as follows:

We need not decide the merits of this argument because there is at least one provision of the Geneva Conventions that applies here even if the relevant conflict is not one between signatories.FN61 Article 3, often referred to as Common Article 3 because, like Article 2, it appears in all four Geneva Conventions, provides that in a "conflict not of an international character occurring in the territory of one of the High Contracting Parties, each Party FN62 to the conflict shall be bound to apply, as a minimum," certain provisions protecting "[p]ersons taking no active part in the hostilities, including *630 members of armed forces who have laid down their arms and those placed hors de combat by ... detention." Id., at 3318. One such provision prohibits "the passing of sentences and the carrying out of executions without previous judgment pronounced by a regularly constituted court affording all the judicial guarantees which are recognized as indispensable by civilized peoples." Ibid.


The Court makes it clear that Article 3 is applicable to trials for a specific reason. Article 4 is the article dealing with torture.

YAV -

Wikipedia lawyers are fun, but you google lawyers are flat dumb. Try reading the convention and you will see Article 4 applies to
1. Members of the armed forces of a Party to the conflict as well as members of militias or volunteer corps forming part of such armed forces.

2. Members of other militias and members of other volunteer corps, including those of organized resistance movements, belonging to a Party to the conflict and operating in or outside their own territory, even if this territory is occupied, provided that such militias or volunteer corps, including such organized resistance movements, fulfil the following conditions:

(a) That of being commanded by a person responsible for his subordinates;

(b) That of having a fixed distinctive sign recognizable at a distance;

(c) That of carrying arms openly;

(d) That of conducting their operations in accordance with the laws and customs of war.

3. Members of regular armed forces who profess allegiance to a government or an authority not recognized by the Detaining Power.

4. Persons who accompany the armed forces without actually being members thereof, such as civilian members of military aircraft crews, war correspondents, supply contractors, members of labour units or of services responsible for the welfare of the armed forces, provided that they have received authorization from the armed forces which they accompany, who shall provide them for that purpose with an identity card similar to the annexed model.

5. Members of crews, including masters, pilots and apprentices, of the merchant marine and the crews of civil aircraft of the Parties to the conflict, who do not benefit by more favourable treatment under any other provisions of international law.

6. Inhabitants of a non-occupied territory, who on the approach of the enemy spontaneously take up arms to resist the invading forces, without having had time to form themselves into regular armed units, provided they carry arms openly and respect the laws and customs of war.

A Citizen

Link?

#104 and #105 and others, on topic or please find another thread.


Bob,

For the convention;

www.unhchr.ch

The quotation of the Court's language comes from the case itself. If you don't have Westlaw, I suggest you go to the Supreme Court website and look at the case there. You will find it at the bottom of page 629 and the top of page 630.

Another typical lie, "But it was never sanctioned by the nation or the White House."

BS! Besides which, you can't possibly know whether your claim is the "truth" or not!

The Bush Whitehouse only tried to justify the conduct of the CIA once the CIA revealed that it had tortured their extra-legal prisoner(s!)

That's the job of the administration: to defend its departments in the activity they have done since Vietnam, if not before ...

AMERICANUNITY

don't know bout rockerfellows but do know that the vanderbilts are descendents of a set of dutch mulatoe twins
jasman

Americans don't support torture under any circumstances. It is one of the principles real Americans die for. If a court sanctions such actions, it is an enemy court, no matter their title or authority. If a President sanctions such actions, he is an enemy President, no matter if duly elected by the people or not. No matter if Bush or Obama---Reagan or Kennedy.

Wow, Tad has blathered, blustered, postulated magniloquent grandiloquent, expostulated turgid twaddle while displaying a bucolic diathesis. A veritable pantaloon in action. Must be an off day for him.

Hopefully this genetic study will show why blacks dominate the NBA and why that soul-brother stole the front seats out of my mom's classic Pontiac GTO when I was kid. The dude stole my mom's front seats and lived in in the same apartment complex. He put the stolen seats in his car and simply parked in his regular parking stall. My uncle saw the seats while walking through the parking area and the dude was arrested. Hopefully we can find out how to eliminate his "stupid gene."

#111 - FF for you, sir.

Guess Obamay isn't the first black president after all. Just the blackest president.

Anyone with the slightest interest in science already knows that "race" is a political definition. People are all the same species. There is an American race, or a German race; but to speak of an Asian race or a Hispanic race just indicates ignorance.

Guess Obamay isn't the first black president after all. Just the blackest president.

#114 | Posted by STIRSUMUP

"But black genes are dominant."

If Obama looked more white than black, that is, took after his mom's side of the family, would he still be considered the nation's first black/African American president?

As usual in this country, it is all about the shallowness of perception instead of the recognition of substance.

"One day several years ago at a Kroger on Cleveland street in south Atlanta"

You mean Cleveland Avenue, right? That is the ass end of town.

Brave of you to go there, and even braver to admit that you know where it is. Most Atlantans studiously ignore everything south of I-20 and inside I-285, except to go to the Scott Antiques show, and then they beat it out of there as fast as their SUV's will carry them.

Brave of you to go there, and even braver to admit that you know where it is. Most Atlantans studiously ignore everything south of I-20 and inside I-285, except to go to the Scott Antiques show, and then they beat it out of there as fast as their SUV's will carry them.

Isn't that where the first Chicken Fila (Dwarf House) is? I was to meet up with some friends there on our way to a Jimmy Buffet concert at Lakewood. I'm pretty sure that was on Cleveland Ave. And you are right -- it's a nasty part of town!

"Those'without Balack Blood'"? Seriously?
I don't have black blood.


Mine's red.

The tool making ape men rule the world now and the vanquished ape men became pirates, terrorists or live on welfare.

#79 | Posted by fwthom

Good one. FF

I suspect that most liberals on this board voted for the "White Half" of Obama.

I'll bet the UT in your name doesn't really stand for University of Texas does it?

I'll bet the UT in your name doesn't really stand for University of Texas does it?

#122 | Posted by rastaninja

University of Texas-Arlington (Custodial) Staff

I assumed it was University of Texas at Arlington Staff. So shouldn't she/he be working on our dime instead of posting all day on a blog?

Are you getting paid by the state of Texas to post on a blog much of the day, every day, UTA?

Boy-duh,
Aren't you the queef that accused others of mentioning your personal life on the blog and called it stalking?
How's your wife?
How are things in Luvcock?

Oops, "lubbock"

Take me somewhere's South of Lubbock
Where the best is like the worst.
Down South in Lynn County
Where a man can raise a thirst.

A bunch of the boys was a whooping it up
In downtown Tahoka one night.

Now whatever happened to Maurice Bray Chevrolet.

When it's roundup time in Texas
And the bloom is on the sage,
How I long to be in Texas,
I would work for any wage.
Just to be again,
To be free again,
Where the bloom is on the sage.

Gosh. How'r things in the panhandle?

#91 | Posted by goatman at 2009-05-03 04:13 PM

Larry ... just sputters and spews and calls people names.

Gosh Goatman, I had you tabbed as an open-minded bright guy, but here you persevere and seem frustrated because despite what information you present it doesn't seem to register with poor Larry. You repeat it. Your logically explain it in differing formats. All to no avail.

Sometimes our efforts are exercises in futility no matter how much we persevere.

You just may be too close to the situation, Goatman. You may be the best and most patient teacher available. But there is a difference between teaching and learning. The pupil needs to have the capacity to learn.

There may be several problems which relate to mental ability and to emotional posture, a quite possibly merited lack of self-esteem which prevents him from acknowledging a previously held idea was incorrect. And then there is the ideological problem as there seems to be a set of beliefs of which he cannot divest himself because he is similar to Pavlov's dog and has a conditioned response.

Oh well, why pursue this. You've fought the good fight, did an admirable job, Goatman. And you're okay. It's apparent that Larry lacks the capacity to learn. Consider trying to teach algebra to a room full of horses. The fact that it's impossible is apparent. You have taken on just as difficult a task, and the impossibility of educating Larry has become just as apparent after reading the series of posts. It is frustrating. But he is more to be pitied than scorned.

#115 | Posted by john47 at 2009-05-04 08:33 AM

Anyone with the slightest interest in science already knows that "race" is a political definition. People are all the same species. There is an American race, or a German race; but to speak of an Asian race or a Hispanic race just indicates ignorance.

Where did you pick up this basic concept, not your examples, but the idea that there is no differentiation and gene clustering? Was it in Misinformation 101 in some course in a college that engages in indoctrination, and then uses misdirection to confuse students?

Earlier posters addressed the matter. The use of the word "race" is misleading and is a straw man that diverts attention from the substance of the claim.

Canis lupus familiarus, for example, is the species of domestic dogs. Yet their capacities and intelligence, structure and skills, and dispositions, can vary tremendously from the pit bull to the poodle and from the German Shepherd to the chihuahua. There has been differentiation.

Homo sapiens sapiens has developed in differing environments and also been subjected to differing random mutations, some of which have assisted adaptation. People living in differing environments developed differing survival skills and additionally different random mutations were incorporated into their genomes.

There are gene clusters. Do you think that the fact that world record holders in sprints are all of West African origin, and world record holders in long distance races are all of East African origin isn't illustrative of anything?

The pygmies and Bushmen developed in a milieu that was not particularly challenging and have a median IQ approximating 60, while other groups developing in more challenging environments had mutations that resulted in preservation of traits that enabled better adaptation to more challenging environments.

Do you somehow think that while different observable physical characteristics can be evidenced as adaptations, even pigmentation, mental processes and capacity are not affected?

Blacks as a group seem not to have the capacity of Orientals, some Asians, and whites, and possibly have brains that function differently. Addressing this has been a taboo although affirmative action preferences have been a tacit acknowledgment that blacks as a group require preferences to function in a modern society requiring technological and scientific skills. There is a range of abilities within groups and black and white capabilities overlap. There has also in the U.S., for example, been some cross-breeding.

Blacks should not be stereotyped as universally below whites in intelligence, say, as there is an overlap, and many blacks have high skill levels although they seem to be absent in significant numbers and capacities in in the hard sciences, and their physical skills are evident in their over-representation in professional sports.

The use of the word "race" in your statement is misleading, and there are " breeds" say, among humans as there are distinctive breeds among dogs with mongrels also existing. What was the intende implication of your statement? What was it supposed to mean? Are you suggesting that there are not differences between different "breeds" of humans?


"One day several years ago at a Kroger on Cleveland street in south Atlanta"


"You mean Cleveland Avenue, right? That is the ass end of town.


Brave of you to go there, and even braver to admit that you know where it is. Most Atlantans studiously ignore everything south of I-20 and inside I-285, except to go to the Scott Antiques show, and then they beat it out of there as fast as their SUV's will carry them."

The medical transcription company I was working for was right near the airport. About half the workers were black. This was a convenient location for me. The neighborhood was nearly all black. Nothing ever happened to me. Nobody ever accused me of being racist. I was known and accepted by the people in the neighborhood. It was a great experience, living there for five years and it did not require hardly any bravery, except the kind one needs for examining your wrong assumptions. I never did run into any of my fellow class of '72 Marist graduates though. Guess their SUVs would not steer that way. The best thing was that over this time my prejudices from my childhood in Alabama were rinsed away by sheer exposure both at work and in the 'hood.


Are you getting paid by the state of Texas to post on a blog much of the day, every day, UTA?

#124 | Posted by BetelG


I am not being paid to post on this site. This site appears to be an arm of Moveon.org and the DNC. It's like 4 dudes in a cubicle being paid to post all day to help the God-King Obama rule in peace.

So BetelG, what is the interview process for being a Moveon.org professional poster? Is the pay good?

"This site appears to be an arm of Moveon.org and the DNC."

Utah Staph, I'd like you to meet Johnson, The Sniper, a Pretend Paratrooper, Nancy, the Goat Guy, Ooey, Ever and Eber, Hates Big Government, Tad and a bunch I've blocked out of my frontal lobes. On a liberal scale, we rank with the DAR and the NRA. You're welcome. herm

"This site appears to be an arm of Moveon.org and the DNC."


More like peering in the window of a mental asylum...whacko libs hovering on here 24/7...amusing, tho....paranoia, rage, imagined intelligence, Napolean complexes, Canuck druggie-in-exile, etc.

From the article--

"Our goal has been to do research that will benefit Africans," she said. "I hope this will set the stage for future genomics research there, and future biomedical research."

The completion of the study could enable such research, allowing the link between genes and disease to be properly studied.

"The genetic variants we've identified may play a role in disease susceptibility and the different ways in which people respond to drugs," Dr Tishkoff explained.

----

So the goal is to benefit Africans?

What does that have to do with anything?

Is there any doubt we came from one set of humans?


I guess it is amazing how much a non-believer has to believe to be a non-believer.

The Great American is not a very great listener. herm

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