This is a topic I would have respeced the tea baggers for protesting but they didn't. Instead they concern themselves with the slight increase in taxes those making over $250,000 per year will have to pay.

Awesome! First illegals get benefits for taking jobs from Americans & now we outsource the management of the illegally obtained benefits taking more American jobs.

#2
All people getting food stamp benefits are illegal.

Danni- Many teabaggers concerned themselves with reckless spending, not just under Obama, but Bush as well. Many teabaggers were fiscal conservatives who thought spending was terrible under Bush, and Obama's increases were the tipping point. The day you realize that the teabag protests were not a protest against Obama but against the direction American government has been going for the last few decades, will never come. But here's to hoping.

#2
All people getting food stamp benefits are illegal.

#3 | Posted by Scrumplet

AMEN!

#4
The teabagging protests not against Obama? Really? I find that hard to swallow.

Most people who get food stamps are poor white mothers and their children.

Selah!

The teabagging protests not against Obama? Really? I find that hard to swallow.

#6 | Posted by Scrumplet

yes, that line of logic makes one wonder why there was no teabagging during the Bush admin.

but we know the answer to that. because limplog didn't tell them to do it.

The day you realize that the teabag protests were not a protest against Obama but against the direction American government has been going for the last few decades, will never come. But here's to hoping.

~Joe

The day you realsie that the tea parties were an a deliberate attempt to sow seeds of division through blatent astro-turfing by the republican party and that the agenda was primarily to make Obama look bad will never come but here's to hoping.

It works towards restoring the 49/51% Solution (TM) that was thrown out of whack after the last election cycle and makes libs, those who are concerned about the blatent sop to Wall Street that the bailouts so obviously were, reluctant to criticise the policy for fear of allying with "the enemy".

Turning a potentially uniting bipartisan issue into yet another wedge issue.

Obama's progressive tax proposals will actually benefit the majority of the hilariously named teabaggers despite all propaganda to the contrary.

On Topic?

Time to biatch and complain to yer elected representatives that this latest outsourcing is offensive as hell.

Send JP Morgan an email as well and register yer displeasure.

The powers-that-be must be made to understand that their bottom line is not THE bottom line.

Some companies like Dell who outsourced their call centers to Idia have recently returned them to the US due to continual complaints, so it is possible.

Be Well.

The teabaggers used the historic phrase "no taxation without representation" and the only logical explanation I could think of is that they do not feel that their elected representatives represent their views. So, in essence, they were complaining that it wasn't fair that their Congressmen represented the views of those who won the elections....like Obama. They were protesting "change" and Obama who, incidentally, is black.

I said "many" teabaggers were not protesting Obama but high government spending in general, and that they disliked Bush's spending but found Obama's increases to be the tipping point. I heard radio interviews with protestors to this effect on both NPR and AM stations. While I am aware that some of the protestors simply were there to be anti-Obama, the goal of many others was to voice opposition to massive government bailouts under both presidents.

Funny thing is, most of the posters here have disagreed with the bailouts in one form or another, but the lefties are too busy defending Obama to realize that the teabaggers represented their interests in that regard.

"Funny thing is, most of the posters here have disagreed with the bailouts in one form or another, but the lefties are too busy defending Obama to realize that the teabaggers represented their interests in that regard."

Except those of us who still think allowing the banks to fail would have caused a worse disaster than the one we are presently dealing with.
I agree there have been abuses and waste but not bailing them out was not a realistic option.

Nice play of the race card.

Danni- Many teabaggers concerned themselves with reckless spending, not just under Obama, but Bush as well. Many teabaggers were fiscal conservatives who thought spending was terrible under Bush, and Obama's increases were the tipping point.

Dude, they were as quiet as church mice during Bush's term of office. Waiting until a Democrat was in the White House to protest big spending gives them no credibility. If a Republican wins in '12, how can anyone believe they won't be as happy as pigs to feed at the public trough?

Except those of us who still think allowing the banks to fail would have caused a worse disaster than the one we are presently dealing with.

That's my position. I hate the level of spending, but I fear the alternative. I want my economy unbroke.

-not bailing them out was not a realistic option.

Oh yeah, Danni. Confine them to realism why don't ya? Take away their fantasy world where Keynesian economics don't apply.

Who do you think you are dealing with here young lady?

"they were as quiet as church mice during Bush's term of office."

I think this criticism is based on the flawed assumption that all of the teabaggers were Bush voters/supporters. Many of them looked crazy enough to be libertarians. Libertarians were not quiet during Bush's two terms, it's just that nobody listens to them.

Do you people really think that American employers outsource as a ruse to fuck American workers over? No -- they do it to save money. If Americans would work for the same wages as the indians, I'm sure the jobs would stay here. Or do you think that these employers sit in their ivory towers sinisterly rubbing their hands together saying, "I want to fuck America over!"

Get real, folks and look at the reasons for outsourcing. It's our (your) own greed and demand for the cheapest product and services. That's all is. Nothing more.

It's a nice touch in the article. A recipient of free groceries is bitching about who's processing her check.

They were protesting "change" and Obama who, incidentally, is black.

#10 | Posted by danni
* * * *

Are you suggesting that Obama's race makes fiscal responsibility impossible?

Interesting view. "3 trillion to save Wall Street, yes, but you must understand, Obama's black."

It's funny to read about a food stamp no load beggar type complain about JP Morgan getting a bail-out. Someone should bitch slap her to knock some sense into her tinny brain.

#1 | Posted by danni

Talking out your ass again. They were protesting not only taxes but the bailouts as well.

They were protesting "change" and Obama who, incidentally, is black.
#10 | Posted by danni - famous card player

#18 | Posted by goatman

If there were not such a huge discrepancy in the annual salary of a CEO as opposed to a supervisor I would agree that off shoring work is a cost saving device.

This is pure greed and the breaking of the back of the middle class so they will accept slave wages and not complain.

Median Income US - $44,473.00
Median Income India - $1,080.00

as far as goatman and other idiots here are concerned, its the recipients fault the Government has first outsourced to JP Morgan, who then outsources to India.

JP Morgan won a bid and then outsourced, not to provide greater taxpayer value, but to get a bigger bonus to a few top dogs.

By gots logic we should eliminate all domestic jobs, its just good value.

tinny brain

~Fuck Wit Thom

Coming from the biggest fucking retard on this site that's funny even without the typo.

They were protesting not only taxes but the bailouts as well.

~Chickenchoker

And they were organised by the very people who's policies led in large part to the need for a bailout.

A bit of irony that was apparently lost on them.

famous card player

Noting racism on the right isn't playing the race card is merely playing the truth card.

In the main the teabaggers were angry, incoherant sheep rounded up by the Republican party in order to try and express their rage and fear over the fucked up economy on camera in a blatent attempt to undermine Obama but to ignore the simmering racism found at these events is to ignore reality.

Be Well.

-her tinny brain

Failed Wordsmith Thom

Want a job in a US Call Center?

If there were not such a huge discrepancy in the annual salary of a CEO as opposed to a supervisor I would agree that off shoring work is a cost saving device.

This is pure greed and the breaking of the back of the middle class so they will accept slave wages and not complain.

Median Income US - $44,473.00
Median Income India - $1,080.00

I am guessing that you are unaware of the discrepencey of wages in India then.

"In the main the teabaggers were angry, incoherant sheep rounded up by the Republican party in order to try and express their rage and fear over the fucked up economy on camera in a blatent attempt to undermine Obama but to ignore the simmering racism found at these events is to ignore reality."

Spud,I appreciate that you are old and outdated. That's o.k. But, clinging to the thought that racism is alive, well, and raging at the Tea Party events is in your rather active imagination.

Further, I'd suggest that the tobacco chewing down home racists you think up have largely been supplanted by those who perpetuate race as an issue - like you and Danni.

I know it's just easier to dismiss people who disagree with you as racist - with the added benefit of making your arguments quicker, easier, and without critical thought. But, these days, that just don't play...

Talking out your ass again. They were protesting not only taxes but the bailouts as well.

#22 | Posted by chickenrancher at 2009-04-29 04:53 PM | Reply | Flag:

I don't think you shit-heaps even know WHAT you were protesting except the fact that you lost and you wanted to whine about it.

I guess FAUX News wasn't clear enough regarding exactly what it was you were supposed to be writing on your signs.

Shovel ready jobs...you betcha

It works towards restoring the 49/51% Solution (TM) that was thrown out of whack after the last election cycle and makes libs, those who are concerned about the blatent sop to Wall Street that the bailouts so obviously were, reluctant to criticise the policy for fear of allying with "the enemy".

Turning a potentially uniting bipartisan issue into yet another wedge issue.

Obama's progressive tax proposals will actually benefit the majority of the hilariously named teabaggers despite all propaganda to the contrary.

#9 | Posted by dethspud at 2009-04-29 04:17 PM

I've been really enjoying the sudden bipartisan tone your posts have taken. Keep it up.

On a side note, I don't think Obama's tax plans are enough to support the increases in spending. If the dems want to tax and spend, they should just tax and spend, and stop with the tax a little more, borrow a heck of a lot more.

There's been a lot of shoveling. Unfortunately, it's not dirt.

...Get real, folks and look at the reasons for outsourcing. It's our (your) own greed and demand for the cheapest product and services. That's all is. Nothing more.

Bull. Those kind of comments always get my temper up. Stop blaming Americans. Outsourcing is done purely for corporate profit and to keep their stockholders happy. Profits made from outsourcing American jobs aren't passed on to the American consumer. Buy any sneakers lately?

Dude, they were as quiet as church mice during Bush's term of office. Waiting until a Democrat was in the White House to protest big spending gives them no credibility. If a Republican wins in '12, how can anyone believe they won't be as happy as pigs to feed at the public trough?

#14 | Posted by rcade at 2009-04-29 04:30 PM

That's my position. I hate the level of spending, but I fear the alternative. I want my economy unbroke.

#15 | Posted by rcade at 2009-04-29 04:31 PM

#29 | Posted by Manypaths

Of course I do, they have a caste society and discrepancies are overtly implied in that system.

Did you notice I was referring to middle class median income?

Get real, folks and look at the reasons for outsourcing. It's our (your) own greed and demand for the cheapest product and services. That's all is. Nothing more.

You are forgetting about the work ethic of most Americans.

People in India laugh at how little Americans work.

clinging to the thought that racism is alive, well, and raging at the Tea Party events is in your rather active imagination.

#30 | Posted by somoco

Okay, show me three different pictures of any three persons of color at any teabaggers ball.

WTF would that prove?

Spud,I appreciate that you are old and outdated

Eh, wot's that sonny?

Sorry yer gonna hafta speak up cos Spud's going a little deef.

Try to shout right into the trombone looking hearing aid, eh?

clinging to the thought that racism is alive, well, and raging at the Tea Party events is in your rather active imagination.

Spud never sed "raging". Spud sed "simmering".

Real raging racists like the pointy-headed/ pointy-hatted KluKKers are going the way of the Dodo.

Although there were a few white power groups who were making some really nasty noises over Obama's election including a few assasination plots that have been broken up. Are you suggesting those guys were Dems?

Most racists on the right are bright enuff to go beyond Archie Bunker-esque stereotypes and hide it somewot.

See: Tiny Johnson's posts.

Further, I'd suggest that the tobacco chewing down home racists you think up have largely been supplanted by those who perpetuate race as an issue - like you and Danni.

Are you seriously suggesting that racism is dead in America?

Noting racism and decrying it is not the same as being racist.

See: Reverend Wright

Learn that.

Be Well.

People in India laugh at how little Americans work.

Posted by Manypaths at 2009-04-29 05:46 PM

Yeah, let's be just like those laughing folks in India!

Let's watch those people in India burst out laughing every time they set a new bride on fire and watch her burn to death because her dowry didn't have enough money to suit the groom's family.

clinging to the thought that racism is alive, well, and raging at the Tea Party events is in your rather active imagination.

#30 | Posted by somoco

I am trying to help you out here. If people of color were in fact a part of the teabaggers ball it would not be racial in context.

But if NO people of color are involved I would have to say the teabaggers ball was nothing more than a clan rally over a black man sleeping in the Whitehouse.

Jesus Chris. I bet your pussy hurts.

We were talking about Jobs. Sorry that you felt the need to attack a small segment of India society just because as a whole they work a lot harder than Americans.

"People in India laugh at how little Americans work."

That's funny. People in Europe laugh at how much Americans work.

#47 - true! But they don't bitch about us taking their jobs.

You and I see it differently then Spud.

I think affirmative action and the like perpetuates racism. I'm sure a lot of folks think that makes me racist. Fuck 'em.

I'll all for laws punishing those who discriminate based on sex, religion, race, ethnicity, and sexual orientation, but think that affirmative action is, in and of itself, discriminatory.

I've got no problem with affirmative action to assist those in low socio-economic groups -I think that's a good thing.

While you have obvious dipshits who are worthless idiots from the right who spew hate - I don't think that was a theme at any of the Tea Parties.

White Power idiots have no power at all. I do think racism exists, but do not believe it is significant enough at this point to endanger equality of opportunity.

I also think that Dems have historically made lots of hay on the race issue, and hate to let go of it (and the votes it gets them). Hence, trying to cut off debate or minimizing protesters as being racist.

That's a joke.

#46 | Posted by Manypaths

Do you think the US should have a caste system like India? That seems to be what you are advocating?

If so which caste would you be allowed to be in?

I've been really enjoying the sudden bipartisan tone your posts have taken. Keep it up.

Ta!

Spud has always been as bi-partisan as a lefty leaning tater o' doom can be.

During the last election cycle, however, Spud simply simplified his message avoiding any kind of nuance in order to help advance the election of Obama.

/Spud learned during the 04 election of Bush that too much nuance muddles the message in the mind of too many people.

That Mission Accomplished Spud is now free to show the quintessential difference between the left and the right here at the DR. Which is to say, an honest ability to criticise the leaders on one's "side" in order to achieve more viable policies that benefit all regardless of political leanings.

On a side note, I don't think Obama's tax plans are enough to support the increases in spending. If the dems want to tax and spend, they should just tax and spend, and stop with the tax a little more, borrow a heck of a lot more.

Agreed that Obama's progressive tax plan will by no stretch of the imagination pay for the out of control spending. The deficit will grow by a scarifying amount this year. The Pentagon System of subsidised R&D on the taxpayers bill in order to benefit the bottom line of the MIC seriously needs to be addressed as well as the practically unregulated markets and the corporate tax loopholes and the legalised bribery of lobbying.

He'll be lucky to address even two of these vital matters significantly in his first 4 years due to the systemic corruption of the Washington Culture.

Spud realises this and still sez he's America's last best hope for real and much needed change.

That sed, Spud is giving him no free passes and will work to hold his feet to the fire just like Spud has done with Dumbya for the last 4 and a 1/2 years.

Be Well.

#49 | Posted by somoco

That seems reasonable. I think the problem is those far right wing radicals have stolen the wind from the party and have become a majority part of the narrative of the party. It also seems as though the national republican party is moving closer to this group instead of the center.

I would suggest to you and any other republican to do what I did over 20 years ago, become Independents.

When enough people leave the party they will get the hint or go away.

I would not allow myself to become a parody of any political faction...

Do you think the US should have a caste system like India? That seems to be what you are advocating?

If so which caste would you be allowed to be in?

#50 | Posted by Prolix247

Not at all. Just pointing out that those folks with jobs from India work their asses off compared to their American counterparts.

For them, a 12 hour workday is expected. Try pulling that shit with Americans.

Not at all. Just pointing out that those folks with jobs from India work their asses off compared to their American counterparts.

For them, a 12 hour workday is expected. Try pulling that shit with Americans.

Moneywar should come along sometime soon and rip your head off for suggesting that the American worker is something less than perfect.

Nulli already chimed in.

"If so which caste would you be allowed to be in?"

Frank Cotton would put you in a plaster cast.

#55 | Posted by Zatoichi

From the neck up?

#52 | POSTED BY PROLIX247 AT 2009-04-29 06:17 PM | REPLY | FLAG: Tempting

#57 | Posted by somoco

AWE!!! you care.

You really, really, really care...

People on welfare, food stamps or living in Section 8 housing should't be allowed to vote. Goodbye democrap party!

Instead they concern themselves with the slight increase in taxes those making over $250,000 per year will have to pay.

#1 | Posted by danni

So, in your mind it is just fine to penalize someone because, let's say a married couple both happened to work their asses off and spend a lot of money earning degrees that put them in a profession where they could earn $125,000 a year. That's quite a few professions. We should penalize this type of behavior is what you're saying.

You don't care because you don't make that kind of money. Your slight increase may just happen to be the amount of extra money they have left over after their expenses. But you could care less about that because they're "rich". $250,000 a year means you are now rich. That surprises a whole lot of people. But you don't give a shit, it's not you.

People on welfare, food stamps or living in Section 8 housing should't be allowed to vote. Goodbye democrap party!
#59 | Posted by fwthom

Actually, they vote in very low numbers...and tend to vote in a split. However, if we simply banned the uneducated from voting, say people who didn't pass the 8th grade...game over for the GOP. I know, fwthom, we'd all miss you at the polls but I think its for the best.

This is a topic I would have respeced the tea baggers for protesting but they didn't.

#1 | Posted by danni

Not only do you like nuts in your mouth, you don't have a clue what the April 15th demonstrations were about. Here is a dollar, buy a clue.

Sniper, DON'T. She'll only use it to by drugs.

We were talking about Jobs. Sorry that you felt the need to attack a small segment of India society just because as a whole they work a lot harder than Americans.

#46 | Posted by Manypaths at 2009-04-29 06:03 PM | Reply | Flag

I don't know where you get your information but you aught to stop getting it there, YOU'RE FULL OF SHIT!

The slowest, laziest ass workers are in India, I can see you have never been or lived there.

I have been around the world and I can assure you that the Americans are by far the hardest working people WITHOUT A DOUBT.

Why do righties (manypaths and group) always have to come on here and lie lie lie and be such dickheads about everything.

Small dicks with big fucking egos.

I have been around the world and I can assure you that the Americans are by far the hardest working people WITHOUT A DOUBT.

Wow. I was going to type that and assign it to Crasswar as a pun.

Moneywar should come along sometime soon and rip your head off for suggesting that the American worker is something less than perfect.

Nulli already chimed in.

#54 | Posted by eberly at 2009-04-29 06:22 PM | Reply | Flag

Yes, the difference here is I know the truth and value the aspect of being patriotic to MY country. You seem to have the problem with respect to this country so why don't you take your lazy ass to india, I am sure you'll like living with those hard working bastards, they can even take care of mom for you....cheaply!

Hit the road, anyone who can defend manypaths by trashing Americans is a worthless shitbag, you take the cake.

I am sure you'll like living with those hard working bastards, they can even take care of mom for you....cheaply!

I didn't make an argument that Indian workers were any better.

I simply predicted your response. I didn't expect you to respond so quickly.

I'll freely admit that I have no opinion because I have spent no time with anyone other than American workers. My clients employ almost virtually 100% American workers.

Wow. I was going to type that and assign it to Crasswar as a pun.

#65 | Posted by eberly at 2009-04-29 07:18 PM | Reply | Flag:

Wow! I was going to type that you're a unpatriotic piece of shitbag and clearly see why you won't be out of the mud very soon....in my years, everyone gets the come uppance, everyone....and I assure you, you will continue to get yours.

Wish we would make laws to ship anti-patriotic hate all Americans like you to those countries just because of your worship of those countries.

Get the fuck out of mine, you're one of the main causes this country is in this mess.

as far as goatman and other idiots here are concerned, its the recipients fault the Government has first outsourced to JP Morgan, who then outsources to India.

OK, nutcase. Please straighten this idiot out. Did the government outsource because:

a) they want to fuck over the American worker or
b) they want the lowest cost.

You attack me, but did not offer an explanation. Here's your chance.

I am guessing that you are unaware of the discrepencey of wages in India then.

???

I'm well aware of it, manypaths. I noted it (the fact, not the actual numbers) in my original post after all.

My question in #69 is also addressed to you, also

Get the fuck out of mine, you're one of the main causes this country is in this mess.

#68 | Posted by moneywar

Geez boob. YOu didn't have to lift up your skirt and show us that!!!!

Manypaths is the one who asserted Indian workers were superior....not me. You then insult me and my mother and tell me to get the fuck out of your country.

It is interesting that people don't see the irony of BAILING out banks while they are shipping our jobs to india.

WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE!!

Outsourcing our jobs overseas should be against the law period, it is common sense, but th profit for a few gets these greedy wishful thinkers up droolin like the dogs.

Outsourcing our jobs overseas should be against the law period, it is common sense,

you realize these are call center jobs don't you?

You then insult me and my mother and tell me to get the fuck out of your country.

No, you insult me and all American workers.

What is funny is you're going to sit back and play some stupid word minipulation game all the while not recognizing the fact the stand you took placed you in the hate American worker camp.

You have to live with your actions regardless of how the unintended consequences, you didn't think out what your intentions would turn.

I know you were just trying to throw a insult at nulli and I, but it did much more than that because it actually cast a sarcastic mockery at the American worker.

you realize these are call center jobs don't you?

Like I said, this ego cloud "my job is worth more than your job" mentality needs to go.....my nail hit you eberly right on the head....eberly your a anti-patriotic bastard and would sacrific country for elite profit.

IT DOES NOT MATTER THE JOB, how arrogant can you people actually get. Certainly have no common sense.

Outsourcing our jobs overseas should be against the law period, it is common sense,

It may appear to be common sense on the surface, but protectionism laws have, without exception, failed miserably in the past.

Besides, where is it written that Americans have a god given right to the cheapest goods and services, yet maintain the highest quality of living in the world?

I know you were just trying to throw a insult at nulli and I..

you poor bastard.

it did much more than that because it actually cast a sarcastic mockery at the American worker.

yes. that is what I was doing with this post....

I'll freely admit that I have no opinion because I have spent no time with anyone other than American workers. My clients employ almost virtually 100% American workers.

real word manipulation there!

If that is "word manipulation" for you then my 6 year old could beat your ass in a cross word puzzle!!!

You should just shut your computer off and do something else. Your have assigned a position to me falsely (you are approaching your 25th one......the next one is FREE!!)

eberly your a anti-patriotic bastard and would sacrific country for elite profit.

Number 25!!!! here is your free sandwich!!!!

Outsourcing our jobs overseas should be against the law period, it is common sense,

you realize these are call center jobs don't you?

#73 | Posted by eberly at 2009-04-29 07:42 PM | Reply | Flag

YOU REALIZE THESE ARE CALL CENTER JOBS DON'T YOU.

How condescending, it clearly screams how this individual pushes the CASTE economic society and only the few elite worthy jobs should remain in America.

What is wrong with these people.

Like I said, this ego cloud "my job is worth more than your job" mentality needs to go..

someone still doesn't get that labor is a commodity.

Psst...some jobs are worth more than other jobs.

it clearly screams how this individual pushes the CASTE economic society and only the few elite worthy jobs should remain in America.

Here, I'm going to give you a new sandwich card and punch the first one for you.

" but protectionism laws have, without exception, failed miserably in the past."

Bullshit. The U.S. and England used protectionism with great results in shielding their "infant" industries during their industrialization. Japan, China and the "asian tigers" as well.

I'll freely admit that I have no opinion because I have spent no time with anyone other than American workers. My clients employ almost virtually 100% American workers.

Can't make up your mind or just trying to look good?!!! Now:

you realize these are call center jobs don't you?

Your words betray/portray your real thougts.

real word manipulation there!

I said you would go here, but the actions don't reflect your appearance.

The U.S. and England used protectionism with great results in shielding their "infant" industries during their industrialization.

fine.

these are call center jobs.

It may appear to be common sense on the surface, but protectionism laws have, without exception, failed miserably in the past.

Bull shit, I would like you to support this with regards to LABOR. You will find the exact opposite.

Prove you statement of crap in regards to labor.

Can't make up your mind or just trying to look good?

you dolt. I have made up my mind just fine.

Your words betray/portray your real thougts.

not at all. I'm just not sure you realize they are call center jobs. If you knew that already then fine.

I said you would go here, but the actions don't reflect your appearance.

2nd punch.

In some parts of the country, MY part of the country in fact, call center jobs are getting to be the only decent paying jobs left. Many of those poor crybabies who worked so hard to get average grades in college and work those $125,000 a year jobs will be working there soon. Oh wait, but if we ship the jobs offshore, then I guess they'll be calling India to get their foodstamps too. Christ. The thing that people really don't see id that it is REALLY fucking cheap to outsource offshore because the call centers there are American companies too! I should know, i'm losing my job to the Phillipines in a few months. Outsourcing? Yes, but the company I work for owns the call center they are outsourcing to, and yeah, it's ALL about the bottom line.

Psst...some jobs are worth more than other jobs.

Really?!

And how are you defining that worth? Who is defining that worth?

Psst....some people are worth more than other people.

fine.

these are call center jobs.

#84 | Posted by eberly

Irrelevant to Goatman's point, which is what I responded to, buttinski.

Psst....some people are worth more than other people.

nice superior complex going on there.

no. labor is a commodity, like it or not and jobs get shipped elsewhere. I don't like it either. Furthermore, it stinks when a bank getting a bailout does it but those occurences (bailout and offshoring a job) are mutually exculsive events.

If labor is a commodity it should be traded as such.

those occurences (bailout and offshoring a job) are mutually exculsive events.

Stop rationalizing excuses why it is acceptable, it is not!

Until people like you across the country stop their superior complex we will continue to decline.

Until people like you across the country stop their superior complex we will continue to decline.

whatever. Perhaps I should post my rage and irrationality on a blog like you. Would that be okay?

Protect and represent businesses who employ American workers. Those jobs are going nowhere.

WTF are you doing?

The U.S. and England used protectionism with great results in shielding their "infant" industries during their industrialization.

fine.

these are call center jobs.

#84 | Posted by eberly at 2009-04-29 08:07 PM | Reply | Flag

That's all?

These are engineering jobs! These are any jobs but in your feeble mind it is OK for the economic caste system as long as it doesn't attain to your job.

Protect and represent businesses who employ American workers. Those jobs are going nowhere.

No, they are offshoring the American workers jobs while at the same time getting bailouts and subsidies using the American workers money to do such.

WAKE UP!!!

These are engineering jobs!

what?

No, they are offshoring the American workers jobs while at the same time getting bailouts and subsidies using the American workers money to do such.

what?

Eberly,

I don't understand how you don't see the contradiction with you admittance of labor being a commodity.

Commodities trade with equal value and to not do so is stupidity.

It boggles the mind that you can see the deluge of this country's labor and the negative effects for generations but throw up your hands and defend the practice for simple corporate greed, all knowing you won't share in the spoils.

Talk about lacking common sense. How's your children?

No, they are offshoring the American workers jobs while at the same time getting bailouts and subsidies using the American workers money to do such.

posted by crasswar

are you sure?

or was it my mother

almost forgot.....3rd punch.

Can't understand why so many...want third world living conditions for those here in our own country.

Slavery has always been a temptation for those in power. These globetrotters land in East Bumfuck and everyone is so willing to do almost anything for a meager wage that they figure by saving a buck they elevate themselves.

Not a few of these guys ascribe to the Calvinist view of predetermination. They're on top because they are the Chosen, Masters of the Universe, the Unsoiled.

Besides there are people who live here who dive dumpsters for food, and live in shanty towns. What makes you better? Rhetorically that is.

It boggles the mind that you can see the deluge of this country's labor and the negative effects for generations but throw up your hands and defend the practice for simple corporate greed, all knowing you won't share in the spoils.

the only mind being "boggled" is yours. that is unless some other retard comes along and proves he can't make an argument without first assigning positions that don't exist.

throw up my hands? WTF does that mean? WTF are you doing with YOUR hands?

nevermind, don't answer that.

These are engineering jobs!

what?

No, they are offshoring the American workers jobs while at the same time getting bailouts and subsidies using the American workers money to do such.

what?

#96 | Posted by eberly at 2009-04-29 08:34 PM | Reply | Flag

You know all this to be true but are morose in purposeful neglect in admitting it.

Commodities trade with equal value and to not do so is stupidity.

you are obviously still denying this fact. Stupid? you think offshoring jobs is stupid also. I think it is disappointing that we are offshoring jobs also.

Sorry if I don't shit my pants like you.

You know all this to be true but are morose in purposeful neglect in admitting it.

#101 | Posted by crasswar

punch #4 and #5.

Eberly is correct. Labor is a commodity. That's the whole point of capitalism, to turn labor into a commodity.

Eberly is correct. Labor is a commodity.

Yes it is. If I can pay $12/bushel for wheat here or buy it for $1/bushel in India......commodity.

That's the whole point of capitalism, to turn labor into a commodity.

It recognizes that labor is a commodity but isn't the whole point.

or was it my mother

almost forgot.....3rd punch.

Dimwit, I am interested in how your kids are doing but used them to get you to think about their future.

I don't deny labor is a commodity, I have said so many many times here over the years.

You still haven't answered the question on how it is traded though, which in trade corporation defy it is a commodity.

You say you hate it in one breath but on the next you say "it is a call center job."

If you don't like it stop coming out with acceptance of it.

You still haven't answered the question on how it is traded though,

It is a commodity in that it is purchased where costs are cheaper. In addition, some jobs are worth more than others because the value of the labor is more. Value, quality, demand....all aspects of commidites.

Yes it is. If I can pay $12/bushel for wheat here or buy it for $1/bushel in India......commodity.

Why does it cost less to grow a bushel in India? There is the rub!

If you don't like it stop coming out with acceptance of it.

stop giving me advice.

Oh, and why you don't tell me how these were "enginering jobs" and that how my customers are shipping jobs overseas?

this is just as stupid as debating boob.

It is a commodity in that it is purchased where costs are cheaper. In addition, some jobs are worth more than others because the value of the labor is more. Value, quality, demand....all aspects of commidites.

Huh?

Steel is steel, it takes the same amount of work to make steel in india as it does to make in America, what is making the price difference?

Oil is 60 dollars a barrel on the market but we should sell it at 30 a barrel right!

#4 | Posted by JOE

Can't talk facts to someone who thinks the rallies were racist.

Steel is steel, it takes the same amount of work to make steel in india as it does to make in America, what is making the price difference?

this futile effort to ask questions you already believe you know the answer to is stupid.

You think you know the answer to everything. You wouldn't post here otherwise. You don't post to learn idiot. You post to bitch and moan about what you perceive to be the inequities of your life.

I have picked up insight from a lot of people here.

You, OTOH, refuse to do that. You think you are superior and should teach everyone how mad they should be because you are so pissed off all the time.

That's my position. I hate the level of spending, but I fear the alternative. I want my economy unbroke.

#15 | Posted by rcade

Too late--it's broken.

And spending our way out of it by spending (this spending by the one) ain't going to fix it.

Oil is 60 dollars a barrel on the market but we should sell it at 30 a barrel right!

#112 | Posted by moneywar

If we drilled for our own the market would drop to 30 bucks a barrel.

If we drilled for our own the market would drop to 30 bucks a barrel.

don't explain commodities to crasswar. he doesn't get it.

Ta!

Spud has always been as bi-partisan as a lefty leaning tater o' doom can be.

During the last election cycle, however, Spud simply simplified his message avoiding any kind of nuance in order to help advance the election of Obama.

/Spud learned during the 04 election of Bush that too much nuance muddles the message in the mind of too many people.

That Mission Accomplished Spud is now free to show the quintessential difference between the left and the right here at the DR. Which is to say, an honest ability to criticise the leaders on one's "side" in order to achieve more viable policies that benefit all regardless of political leanings.

On a side note, I don't think Obama's tax plans are enough to support the increases in spending. If the dems want to tax and spend, they should just tax and spend, and stop with the tax a little more, borrow a heck of a lot more.

Agreed that Obama's progressive tax plan will by no stretch of the imagination pay for the out of control spending. The deficit will grow by a scarifying amount this year. The Pentagon System of subsidised R&D on the taxpayers bill in order to benefit the bottom line of the MIC seriously needs to be addressed as well as the practically unregulated markets and the corporate tax loopholes and the legalised bribery of lobbying.

He'll be lucky to address even two of these vital matters significantly in his first 4 years due to the systemic corruption of the Washington Culture.

Spud realises this and still sez he's America's last best hope for real and much needed change.

That sed, Spud is giving him no free passes and will work to hold his feet to the fire just like Spud has done with Dumbya for the last 4 and a 1/2 years.

#51 | Posted by dethspud at 2009-04-29 06:11 PM

I hope that someday a republican party emerges that won't require you to forgo the nuance every election, but I'm young and may be naive in thinking that's a possibility.

And spending our way out of it by spending (this spending by the one) ain't going to fix it.

#115 | Posted by MURPHY at 2009-04-29 09:18 PM | Reply | Flag: Nobel Laureate in Economics

If we drilled for our own the market would drop to 30 bucks a barrel.

#116 | Posted by MURPHY at 2009-04-29 09:22 PM | Reply | Flag: Psychic Petroleum Economist

If we drilled for our own the market would drop to 30 bucks a barrel.

#116 | Posted by MURPHY at 2009-04-29 09:22 PM | Reply | Flag

LOL!

The going rate on the market is 60 bucks a barrel but murphy would sell it for 30 bucks.

The going rate on the market is 60 bucks a barrel but murphy would sell it for 30 bucks.

Posted by moneywar

LOL

perhaps the saudi's would as a disincentive for us to drill ourselves.

If there was more of the commodity on the market the price goes down.

Duh.

You may get both. GM's cutting jobs and the Firebird, and last I heard, banks haven't increased their lending.

#36 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2009-04-29 05:41 PM | Reply | Flag:

OH NO! NOT the Firebird!

Rednecks everywhere are crying in their beer.

If we drilled for our own the market would drop to 30 bucks a barrel.

don't explain commodities to crasswar. he doesn't get it.

#117 | Posted by eberly at 2009-04-29 09:26 PM | Reply | Flag

LOL! The classical delusional confusion as to the market and real market realities.

No matter how much you drill, and no matter how cheap you can pull oil from the ground here in this country, if the world is willing to pay 60 dollars a barrel than the U.S. will be paying 60 dollars a barrel.

Labor is the offsetting of most prices around the world, tangible goods cost the same no matter the world.

It all boils down that labor should be traded with equal value and to not see this is blind ignorance.

If there was more of the commodity on the market the price goes down.

Duh.

#123 | Posted by MURPHY at 2009-04-29 09:56 PM | Reply | Flag:

Idiot!

The U.S. put 2 million barrels on the market to bring the price down and the saudi's remove 2 million barrels to keep it the same........

If there was more of the commodity on the market the price goes down.

certainly the speculation of more/less commodity on the market will drive prices also.

The classical delusional confusion as to the market and real market realities.

stop trying to explain something you dont' understand.

It all boils down that labor should be traded with equal value and to not see this is blind ignorance.
#125 | Posted by moneywar

The Labor Theory of Value died with Marx.

It all boils down that labor should be traded with equal value and to not see this is blind ignorance.

It shouldn't rain when I have a tee time and to not see this is blind ignorance.

It shouldn't rain when I have a tee time and to not see this is blind ignorance.

Yes, I agree, you play do you?

Maybe sometime if I make it to the midcountry near ya we could go play.

hahahahaha, welcome to government health care as this is what you can expect coming to a hometown near you.

If we drilled for our own the market would drop to 30 bucks a barrel....

It's not that simple.
Don't be too quick to try to knock down U.S. oil profits.
Our U.S. investor-owned oil companies (IOC) do not own as big a percentage of the world's available oil (or its oil reserves) as some may think. In fact IOC' only own 6% of the world's available oil.

Hoping our U.S. oil companies drop their cost per barrel down to where it isn't even profitable for them to bother drilling anymore only leaves our country vulnerable to outside countries (with their own non-investor owned oil companies). Why would U.S. oil companies want to continue to drill and invest billions for smaller and smaller profit on the world market?

U.S. pharmaceuticals and beverage companies have a much bigger share in the world market yet we don't demand they take less profit -- especially the big pharmaceuticals.

The charts in this link provide interesting info.

#115 | Posted by MURPHY at 2009-04-29 09:18 PM | Reply | Flag: Nobel Laureate in Economics

#119 | Posted by nullifidian at 2009-04-29 09:31 PM

The only reason McJobs have not yet been outsourced is the failure of American technology to provide teleportation for crappy foodstuffs.

a friend of mine gets food stamps.

I do think racism exists, but do not believe it is significant enough at this point to endanger equality of opportunity.

Hallaleuh! Somoco has deemed the playing field of freedom and prosperity even! Great god the struggle is over! Equality of opportunity is here!

Now we can all sit under the white tree!

Many teabaggers concerned themselves with reckless spending, not just under Obama, but Bush as well.

#4 | Posted by JOE at 2009-04-29 04:05 PM

Really. Funny, I don't remember all the protests the entire 8 years of the Bush administration.

Surely, the librul media must have been covering them up.

Really. Funny, I don't remember all the protests the entire 8 years of the Bush administration.

Surely, the librul media must have been covering them up.

#137 | Posted by 726 at 2009-04-30 09:13 AM

This is a topic I would have respeced the tea baggers for protesting but they didn't.
#1 | Posted by danni

Not only do you like nuts in your mouth, you don't have a clue what the April 15th demonstrations were about. Here is a dollar, buy a clue.
#62 | Posted by Sniper at 2009-04-29 06:58 PM

First, JP Morgan should be sued directly by every eligible worker they have displaced. Everything to do with that company is represented by what is wrong with our economy.

"teabaggers" - and I had believed that the Right would have just shut the fuck up with a brand new non-Right administration since ALL of their policies are corporate profiteering schemes. I can't think of a single Republican that hasn't taken bad money, lobbys or invests in these very lucrative "failing businesses" and their bailouts.

NOT ONE. Perhaps you could live up to your namesake and just "take 'em out" as Pat Robertson was so fond of drooling to millions of family television viewers? That appears to be your raison d'etre so get to it!

Hallaleuh! Somoco has deemed the playing field of freedom and prosperity even! Great god the struggle is over! Equality of opportunity is here!
Now we can all sit under the white tree!

#136 | POSTED BY ICHIRO AT 2009-04-30 09:12 AM | REPLY:

Oh, I wasn't talking to you Ichiro; you'll have to wait another couple hundred years.

Many teabaggers concerned themselves with reckless spending, not just under Obama, but Bush as well.
#4 | Posted by JOE at 2009-04-29 04:05 PM

i think the question here is where were these (fully covered, heated, long planned) protest during Reagan, Bush, or any other big deficit President? confined to the looney bin that's where. i know, i've been so confined and had to sue... you know ACLU, first amendment and all that. :-)

The Hatch Act also applies by extension to certain employees of state and local governments whose positions are primarily paid for by federal funds. It has been interpreted, for instance, to bar employees of state agencies administering federal unemployment insurance programs, or appointed local law enforcement agency officials with oversight of federal grant funds, from political activity.

...

In 1947 and 1974, The Hatch Act was appealed to the Supreme Court; both times claiming it was a violation of free speech, and both times it was upheld.

A proposed amendment, which had the same argument in mind, to permit federal workers' participation in political campaigns passed the House but not the Senate in 1987; in 1990 a similar bill passed both houses but was vetoed by President George H. W. Bush, and the veto override failed in the House.

ah yes, April 15, Post Office,... always get a Larouche newspaper ...if you wanted one, for donation... or not.

btw, when i said "looney bin"... that is not to say that i do not believe it public protest and/or civil disobedience.

I most definitely DO!

"Why is the state of Florida sending these jobs away?" Brown asked. "The thing that really iced it for me, I knew that JP Morgan had gotten bailout funds."

Prob because your gov.workers union has priced you out of a job.

Most people who get food stamps are poor white mothers and their children.

Selah!

#7 | Posted by Corky

"Most people who get food stamps are poor white mothers and their children"
#7 | Posted by Corky

"They were protesting "change" and Obama who, incidentally, is black"
#10 | Posted by danni

"Now we can all sit under the white tree!"
#136 | Posted by ichiro

I particularly like this one. White tree is slanderous & insulting but if I had a nickel for everytime I heard say, Atlanta, called a "chocolate city" in glowing & flattering terms, I'd be rich.

Isn't this typical, common, par-for-the-course, SOS, race-baiting from the left? No one said anything about race, hell no one EVER brings up race except for you guys. What in the hell does that have to do with anything? Nothing. It's just hysteria-breeding, emotional string-pulling BS to deflect from the issue at hand as usual.

"Noting racism on the right isn't playing the race card is merely playing the truth card"

Let's call your "truth" for what it is: Politically motivated, perfectly timed "useful" truth designed to obtain the maximum effect of hysteria & deflection. Keep telling yourself that you are so much more "sensitive" to minorities when you are the ones defining them by their race.

"In the main the teabaggers were angry, incoherant sheep rounded up by the Republican party in order to try and express their rage and fear over the fucked up economy on camera in a blatent attempt to undermine Obama but to ignore the simmering racism found at these events is to ignore reality"
#26 | Posted by dethspud

So then was the million man march racist? "Sheep" led by their race-baiting mentors expressing their outrage of inequality & oppression on camera in a blatant attempt to separate themselves from whites who of course don't have any problems? Of course not because different criteria applies right? YOU guys are the ones obsessed with race because it's your default crutch with any & everthing that disagrees or goes against the President.
It's patronizing, transparent & downright condescending and insulting to minorities who you claim to be so much better at advocating for and defending!

BTW: Thanks for the "per capita" link, you beat me to it, not that it really should even MATTER but you HAVE to put things in racial terms to get anyone who is under the "One's" spell to get them to understand it. It's terminology they can understand!

"Prob because your gov.workers union has priced you out of a job."

In Florida???
Riiight.
Right to work state sweetie.