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Sunday, April 26, 2009

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6. "Mr. Obama is an accomplished orator but is becoming known in America as the 'teleprompt president' over his reliance on the machine when he gives a speech." -- Sky News, 3/18

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8. Obama taps Nancy Killefer

Well, Spud can see how Michelle might get a little miffed here but seriously how is this a mistake?

Nancy is teh hawt!

Be Well.

11. The picture of Obama and Hugo Chavez shaking hands.

Seriously. This is actually an issue with people?

Can't you all just be happy that it wasn't a "terrorist fist bump"?

Sheesh!

12. Hugo Chavez gave him the anti-American screed "The Open Veins of Latin America." Obama didn't remark upon it. At least it wasn't DVDs.

OMFG OH NOEZZZ! A Book!!!!!!

All good God-fearing republicans need to run fer the hills!!!

And they wonder why they have less credibility these days than a guy selling used laptops from the back of a truck.

Too funny.

Be Well.

49. Obama bows to King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia at a G-20 meeting in London

The Bow only makes it to #49 but the Chavez handshake is #11?

That's racist!

^_^

Be Well.

56. For an April 14 speech at Georgetown, the administration asked the university to cover up all signs and symbols -- including the letters "IHS" in gold, a symbol for Jesus.

Anthing that might gain traction from the foamy-mouthed fundies is put out as a talking point by these wingnuts. Really sad thing is there are some idiots this stuff has traction with.

Be Well.

Oh I think his financial recklessness will show its ugly head well before his term expires. It staggers a rational mind how anyone can imagine he can spend his way out of a problem caused by too much spending.

62. Not adopting a dog from a shelter.

C'mon, seriously?

When lefties cited mistakes by Bush they nicluded Torture, Wiretaps by private corporations, th euse of above the law mercenary armies, politicisation of the DoJ to the point of malicious prosecution, using lies and propaganda to sell an unneccessary war with hundreds of thousands of victims et c etc.

And wot does the right have?

Puppies?

* facepalm *

Be Well.

And wot does the right have?

Puppies?

* facepalm *

Honestly -- you righties are so fucked up. You should stick to the important topics of politics like what a failed VP candidate's daughter's boyfriend's mother does. This puppy shit is just plain ignorant.

his financial recklessness

Believe it or not Ray, Spud has some very serious concerns regarding Obama's massive bailout packages to industries that deserve to FAIL and to artificially inflate markets like housing that need to be deflated.

Since nobody seems too interested in Spud's li'l thread here Spud is interested in Ray's take on an article in yesterdays Toronto Star entitled "The Life and Death of a Fiscal Theory"

Here's snippet on the death of monetarism.

R.I.P. monetarism. As a theory, it was based on the assumption that markets worked, that commercial banks were socially rational and that left alone the economy would sort itself it out.

Carney's new strategy belatedly recognizes the fact that none of these assumptions holds. It is also an admission that the commercial financial system has become particularly dysfunctional, absorbing too much of the money the central bank is trying to pump into the economy instead of passing it on. In effect, by lending directly to government and business, he is eliminating the middleman.

Need money? Can't get it from the commercial banks? Don't worry. The Bank of Canada will print you some.

www.thestar.com

/The comment section below the article is particularily worth looking at in Spud's rarely humble opinion.

Be Well.

Honestly -- you righties are so fucked up. You should stick to the important topics of politics like what a failed VP candidate's daughter's boyfriend's mother does. This puppy shit is just plain ignorant.

LOL. Agreed that the dope dealing ex-mother-in-law-to-be stuff was not particularily politically newsworthy stuff but you gotta realise that it wasn't used to make the case against Sarah as Veep.

It was just a cheap chuckle at her Chillbilly, Peyton Place-esque slo-mo trainwreck of a personal life.

It was about the lulz.

Be Well.

70. "By any measure, my administration has inherited a fiscal disaster." -- Obama

K, so noticing mistakes by Dumbya is now officially a mistake of Obama's?

Wow, it's a wonder these rtards don't pull a muscle stretching like that.

Be Well.

Spud

The central bank system is designed to create money from debt. When the money created exceeds the output from production, prices rise. This is why we experience inflation.

Two things happen when inflation is allowed to continue unabated.

1. The currency loses value until it no longer has any value. Using gold as a consumer price standard, it took $20 to buy an ounce of gold in 1910. Today it takes $900. That's a devaluation of 98%.

2. Even small amounts of monetary expansion have finite limit. To pick a numerical example. 3% compounded yearly is not much when your GNP is in the millions. But when it is in the trillions, it is impossible to sustain because the dollar amounts become too great.

Our economy reached its debt limit about in 2008. Now the debt structure is collapsing into what could be called a hyperdeflation phase. It's so massive that no amount of government spending and monetization can bring inflation back. About all our governments can do is bankrupt themselves.

It's still uncertain as to the details how this will end. All I can say is that it will not end well.

For a better understanding, take the crash course on this site. It's about a three hour slide show and well done.
www.chrismartenson.com

72. On Earth Day, Obama took two flights on Air Force One and four on Marine One to get to Iowa, burning more than 9,000 gallons of fuel.

Faux enviromental outrage from the right?

A classic deflection is that one.

Be Well.

Thanx fer yer response, Ray.

1. The currency loses value until it no longer has any value. Using gold as a consumer price standard, it took $20 to buy an ounce of gold in 1910. Today it takes $900. That's a devaluation of 98%.

Gold is real. A tangible. Money is becoming less real over time as it spins around the globe faster and faster every year.

Are you one of those economist types who think Nixon's didsmantling of the Brettton-Woods agreements back in'70 was pure evil or a neccesary evil?

2. Even small amounts of monetary expansion have finite limit. To pick a numerical example. 3% compounded yearly is not much when your GNP is in the millions. But when it is in the trillions, it is impossible to sustain because the dollar amounts become too great.

Makes sense. "Every thing counts in large amounts" is an exponential truth.

Our economy reached its debt limit about in 2008. Now the debt structure is collapsing into what could be called a hyperdeflation phase. It's so massive that no amount of government spending and monetization can bring inflation back. About all our governments can do is bankrupt themselves.

The governmental largesse to the international banking entities smack of pre-planning by Spud's lights. This global economic contraction as it's being called was not a complete suprise to too many who seem to be acting like it was. After hyperdeflation and global bankrupcy wot comes next?

Thanx fer the link.

Maybe check it out later.

/Not the entire thing, of course, Spud has the attention span of a goldfish with ALS.

Be Well.

The ghost of Hoover haunts every president to this day. Politically, Obama cannot stop the deficit spending and the bailouts. Special interests and the general public expect government to do something to bail them out of their own recklessness. I'm sure his best minds are preparing a list of scapegoats to blame when the time is necessary.

"Our economy reached its debt limit about in 2008."

Says who? No doubt Ray said the same thing in 2008, 2007, 2006 and every year since he was in short pants.

Faux enviromental outrage from the right?

A classic deflection is that one.

Be Well.

Spud


According to some, Barry Hussein is expected to take the bus, preferably in the back.

But then he wouldn't be showing proper decorum, like when he takes his suit coat off in the Oval Office.


Are you one of those economist types who think Nixon's didsmantling of the Brettton-Woods agreements back in'70 was pure evil or a neccesary evil?

The Crash Course shows an explosion in the money supply shortly after 1971.

The Crash Course is broken into twenty parts. It was designed for short attention spans.

exponential truth.

Bingo!

After hyperdeflation and global bankrupcy wot comes next?

Some of my sources predict hyperinflation. I think it's too early to tell.

According to some, Barry Hussein is expected to take the bus, preferably in the back.

Presumably, cos according to that same "some" anything less would be "uppitty"?

But then he wouldn't be showing proper decorum, like when he takes his suit coat off in the Oval Office.

Obama did that?

Well, that settles it then.

IMPEACH!!!!!

/Spud kids
//Spud kids because he luffs!

Be Well.

Says who? No doubt Ray said the same thing in 2008, 2007, 2006 and every year since he was in short pants.
#15 | Posted by nullifidian

I started buying silver in 2004 when it was $7. And I rent because I saw the housing collapse coming. Own no stocks, 401k or any other dollar assets.

Tell us how you see the future.

Some of my sources predict hyperinflation. I think it's too early to tell.

Hyperinflation?

Yipes!

So, aside from gold, investing in companies that manufacture wheelbarrows might a bit of a hedge, eh?

Be Well.

The sky isn't falling and I am 1000% confident Obama has the right people to lead us to economic recovery.

Tell us how you see the future.

#19 | Posted by Ray

I leave the prediction business to people like you and Miss Cleo. I'm not arrogant or ignorant enough to predict the future.

93. Three prime-time briefings in his first 100 days, eating into television revenues and this Wednesday pre-empting "American Idol."

This one absolutely slays!

Pre-empting American Idol is not a "mistake".

It is a merciful relief!

Where ever did Rtards get the idea that the POTUS talking to his peeps was a bad idear?

Couldn't be from Dumbya who took more long vacations than he gave press conferences* in his 8 year reign of errors?

Could it?

/*In all fairness Dumbya did give high profile journo Jeff Gannon complete and unprecedented access during those exclusive, overnight, one-on-one news conferences.

Be Well.

On Earth Day, Obama took two flights on Air Force One and four on Marine One to get to Iowa, burning more than 9,000 gallons of fuel.

I would never begrudge any president the use of any transportation for himself that he deemed necessary.

Lower officials like Speaker of the House, yes. President, never.

I leave the prediction business to people like you and Miss Cleo. I'm not arrogant or ignorant enough to predict the future.
#22 | Posted by nullifidian

In other words, you don't have a clue about how markets work. All you know how to do is criticize.

Why is it? Spud understood my explanation but you can't? I think too many years immersed in Marx fucked your head up.

Can gold become devalued? What if gold became unfashionable and nobody wore it. Would it hold little value?

Have I mentioned Marx lately?

Sincerely,
Ray

Can gold become devalued?

Even though Ray pretends it can't be, of course it can become devalued. The only reason it is worth anything is because everyone agrees to use it as a medium. Same thing with paper money or the dollar as an international currency.

One day people could wake up and say, "Hey, what makes gold so important? I refuse to recognize its value as a unique trading medium".

People like Ray will be fucked then. But the upside is they can turn their gold into a lot of shiny jewelry they won't have to worry about people stealing.

The only thing of real value is a society's ability to produce goods and provide services. This is impossible to put in your pocket, of course, so people have to decide on a common medium to represent it. Gold, to an extent is one of those mediums. No guarantee it always will be.

Ray will be here any minute blubbering, "but, but, but, for thousands of years . . ." But as Ray points out, past performance is not an indicator of future performance.

He'll probably throw in a couple of insults of how much better educated he is than I -- depending on how frustrated he gets trying to justify himself.

the only reason it is worth anything is because everyone agrees to use it as a medium.

That is true as far as it goes. But paper money has proven to be a poor store of value. As I noted in #11, the dollar has lost 98% of its value against gold. Why don't you read my post at #11.

One day people could wake up and say, "Hey, what makes gold so important? I refuse to recognize its value as a unique trading medium".

Simple answer. Government can't produce it at will.

He'll probably throw in a couple of insults of how much better educated he is than I -- depending on how frustrated he gets trying to justify himself.

Gold has gone from $275 in 2001 to $900 and you think I have to justify myself? That's a laugh. You are not important that I could care what you think. Here's more.

globaleconomicanalysis.blogspo
t.com

www.marketskeptics.com

If you insist on learning the hard way, be my guest.

"Gold has gone from $275 in 2001 to $900 and you think I have to justify myself?"

Because we all know that this specific 8 year trend in the history of gold is the typical case for any given 8 or 80 or 8000 year period.

Can gold become devalued? What if gold became unfashionable and nobody wore it. Would it hold little value?
#26 | Posted by rastaninj

NO! IMPOSSIBLE! Gold is the international go-to money during times of economic distress. Government can manipulate the price by dumping reserves on the market. They can do that until they run out of reserves.

Gold has been universally recognized as money since biblical days. It's outlasted every government that tried to replace it.

Because we all know that this specific 8 year trend in the history of gold is the typical case for any given 8 or 80 or 8000 year period.
#31 | Posted by nullifidian

The rise in gold is a symptom that investors are losing faith in the dollar. Obama's massive deficits are accelerating demand for gold.

Back in 1970 gold was $50 a pound, and it hadn't been compressed either.

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com

If you insist on learning the hard way, be my guest.

I'm doing fine, (and it wasn't that hard) but thank you for allowing me to make my own financial decisions.

Government can't produce it at will.

Though if a surge somehow came into the market, its value would drop, right? And of course there is still teh possibility that one day one person will end up the gold (china?) and the rest of the world will agree not to use it as a medium.

Sorry, ray, whether you choose to admit it or not, gold could become worthless as an exchange medium though it would still have intrinsic value for industrial uses.

" intrinsic value for industrial uses. "

Posted by goatman at 2009-04-26 08:15 PM

That is gold's true value, which is significant.
Ray still values shiny rocks.

Though if a surge somehow came into the market, its value would drop, right? And of course there is still teh possibility that one day one person will end up the gold (china?) and the rest of the world will agree not to use it as a medium.

After WWII, the US possessed 76% of the world's gold supply That was the reason for Bretton Woods, when the dollar became the base currency for the world. As the US was running trade deficits after the Vietnam War, foreigners led by France where exchanging the dollar for gold. That's when Nixon cut off redemptions in 1971. Up to that point, the dollar was as good as gold. Afterward, the money supply exploded.

The federal government has amassed impossible levels of debt, and Obama is not letting up on the spending. That's a certain warning sign to foreigners that the US may not be able to honor it's bonds. I don't think we are far from seeing another flight from the dollar into gold.

Sorry, ray, whether you choose to admit it or not, gold could become worthless as an exchange medium though it would still have intrinsic value for industrial uses.

Only in your imaginative mind. Every country that tried to replace gold went bankrupt and destroyed their currency. To put your faith in Obama is beyond insane.

Back in 1970 gold was $50 a pound, and it hadn't been compressed either.

#34 | Posted by Zatoichi

In 1980 gold peaked at $700.
I said gold is the go-to money during times of economic distress. Try reading my posts first.

'In 1980 gold peaked at $700."

#39 | Posted by Ray at 2009-04-26 08:32 PM | Reply | Flag: missed

I hope somebody besides me is laughing.
Ray, you make so many posters here look mildly intelligent.

Try reading my posts first.

#39 | Posted by Ray at 2009-04-26 08:32 PM | Reply | Flag: If you enjoy broken records

You guys argue with me when this is so simple.

No nation can devalue its currency forever. 98% devaluation so far.

No nation can accumulate debt forever. $12 Trillion bonded and $60 Trillion unbonded debt. Over a $2 Trillion deficit.

What is so hard to understand?

When the conversation sinks to grade school level, it's time to leave.

"You guys argue with me when this is so simple."

Spoken like millions of true believers since the dawn of civilization, and just like that last bible thumper who knocked on your door.

When the previous administration was in office the same people that compiles this list considered any action by them to be a fine deal. Now those selfsame individuals has taken on the task of vilifying anything done or said by this new administration. I'm waiting for a condemnation of his brand of toothpaste to be revealed as a major gaff. Nobody is this stupid and could remain the president. This is merely a case of severe bias and can be dismissed as such. The Obamaman isn't nearly perfect nor is he the portrayed stumble bun.

It's interesting that Nouriel Roubini, who was labeled Dr.Doom because he predicted this recession accurately, states: "I don't believe we are going to end up in a near-depression. Six months ago I was more worried about an L-shaped near-depression. Today, after the very aggressive policy actions taken by the U.S. and other countries . . . we are, instead, in the middle of a U.

I have to give credit to the administration. Within 30 days of coming to power, they did an $800 billion stimulus package, a new program to deal with mortgages and foreclosures, and also a bank plan that, when Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner came with details, made the markets rally sharply.

... In the short term I am supportive of it (the deficit the Obama administration is building up), because if we didn't have these fiscal deficits, the recession would become a depression. I think we need to stimulate demand in a situation in which every component of aggregate demand is sharply falling -- consumption, residential, inventory, exports. On the other side, I do agree that this is not a free lunch. - from interview, in Washington Post, April 27, 2009.

The Mexican flu will be BO's Katrina.

Big deficits matter big time. but on the other hand, spending during a recession is the right move. The problem was the lack of saving and debt reduction during the good times... we all know who screwed that one up. One the economy recovers, slashed spending and probably increased taxes are gonna be needed in a hurry.

Believe it or not Ray, Spud has some very serious concerns regarding Obama's massive bailout packages to industries that deserve to FAIL and to artificially inflate markets like housing that need to be deflated.

#8 | Posted by dethspud at 2009-04-26 05:46 PM

An honest lefty.

but on the other hand, spending during a recession is the right move.

#49 | Posted by JimmiG

Are you talking about the stimulus bill, or the welfare-for-the-rich fraud known as the banking "bailout?"

no one cares about that but you...we are discussing the failure of that un-American piece of dog shit you elected....so move on (.org)

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