Shep is the only guy on FOX news with a shred of integrity and patriotism

PSSST, Shepard, Your mic is on.

Shep needs to get a grip. Most Americans favor torture of certain terrorists like OBL.

Shep is a drama queen, but he's funny and talented as well.

His NO footage was just too over the top. Even if he felt that way, he shouldn't have been so transparent about it. He's good enough at his job that he should have been able to mask it better.

"Most Americans favor torture of certain terrorists like OBL."

Yeah, most Americans wanted a link between Saddam and Al Quaeda and supported hundreds of water boardings in a futile effort to get it.

AMEN SHeppard Smith YOU GET IT.

Larry

Laters. I have a 3 letter word interview. Laterz

Larry

I want off too Shep. Let me know how one goes about doing that.

And anyone posting a, "feel free to move" comment is completely missing the point and can suck it, just fair warning.

Waterboarding is a form of torture[1][2] that consists of immobilizing the victim on his or her back with the head inclined downwards, and then pouring water over the face and into the breathing passages. By forced suffocation and inhalation of water, the subject experiences drowning and is caused to believe they are about to die.[3] It is considered a form of torture by legal experts,[4][5] politicians, war veterans,[6][7] intelligence officials,[8] military judges,[9] and human rights organizations.[10][11] As early as the Spanish Inquisition it was used for interrogation purposes, to punish and intimidate, and to force confessions.[12]

In contrast to submerging the head face-forward in water, waterboarding precipitates a gag reflex almost immediately.[13] The technique does not inevitably cause lasting physical damage. It can cause extreme pain, dry drowning, damage to lungs, brain damage from oxygen deprivation, other physical injuries including broken bones due to struggling against restraints, lasting psychological damage or, ultimately, death.[4] Adverse physical consequences can start manifesting months after the event; psychological effects can last for years.[14]

Uh Shep, America does torture. The officials that have ordered this need to be held accountable.

Current Vegas ODDS on FOX and Rupert Murdock booting Shepard Smith...

50-1

Sean Hannity to permanently take that spot in addition to his own.

I loved watching Sean Hannity interview Dick Cheney on the Torture Issue. Everytime Cheney took a breath between sentences it was like he was gasping and laboring as if a precursor to a heart attack.

When old "Dicky" has the big one (and my guess is it will be very soon)... I hope it is on FOX NEWS live with Hannity and he experiances pain similar to being waterboarded 187 times.

Because that is wexactly what this sorry ass fucker deserves.

His NO footage was just too over the top. Even if he felt that way, he shouldn't have been so transparent about it.

I don't think he was over the top during Katrina at all. The situation was unbelievable. Thousands of people trapped at the Superdome, the U.S. was incapable of getting them supplies or getting them out of there, and authorities across the bridge in Gretna wouldn't let them use it. Smith's outrage was one of the best moments in journalism in recent years.

#12 - Couldn't agree more with you, RCade. Shep told it like it was in New Orleans - a travesty.

And in the torture discussion, while he ought to be experienced enough with live TV to control his language better, he's also right on.

Wonder how Fox will react.

Wonder how Fox will react.

Glenda Beck will cry. Not sure how torture gets everybody back to wonderful time of 9-12, but, then again, Beck doesn't really function inthis time-space continuum...

Smith's outrage was one of the best moments in journalism in recent years.

#12 | Posted by rcade at 2009-04-23 10:54 AM | Reply

Reporters report. They don't add their two cents.

Report the news, not your feelings.

"Reporters report. They don't add their two cents.
Report the news, not your feelings."

Do you actually watch Fox?

It's always heavy on two cents and feelings while light on news.

ah the hypocricy is downright delicious

the closet queen from the hamptons or where ever the other poor little rich boys live on cnn called conservative protestors a pornographic name and we hear little or nothing...except from me of course...

and good old shep gets his own tread.,...

nice going shep.......

ah the hypocricy is downright delicious

#17 | Posted by afkabl2

What, exactly, do you find hypocritical?

your posting here after we find out about the missing link..

okay...so they arent all gold

oh that when some talking head whose real name is vanderbuilt can get away with insulting over a milliion americans and shep drops the 'f' bomb and immiedately "GETS DRUDGED"

hey its not much, but so what

dont tread on me

When did the U.S. quit doing what's necassary to win wars. You will notice that in the Pacific war there were near zero Japanese taken prisoner as our soldiers executed them on the spot. I have read many stories that say it was due to the Japs reluctance to surrender and our guys fury over the Batan Death march. I know for a fact through my grandmother that I our Army did some pretty horrific things during the Indian wars. My Great, Great uncle talked about the policy he was forced to carry out of killing all male Indians (indcluding 10 year old boys) during the Indian campaigns in the late 1800s. So, our country certainly has had policies that are distasteful. I don't know where this guy comes off with such a broad and holier and though statement.

shep drops the 'f' bomb and immiedately "GETS DRUDGED"

#19 | Posted by afkabl2

You may be (stunning, I know) confused. Shep isn't being criticized for what he said. We're just concerned about his job after he courageously said what he really believed, instead of what Ruppert commanded.

Fox is cable, so the FCC cannot get involved and Shep's job is safe.

Reporters report. They don't add their two cents. Report the news, not your feelings.

Reporters are still human beings. I think we should grant them the occasional moment of weakness when they reveal this fact, like Cronkite's response to the news that Kennedy was dead.

Fox is cable, so the FCC cannot get involved and Shep's job is safe.

#22 | Posted by kanrei

That wasn't what I meant.

Fox is cable, so the FCC cannot get involved and Shep's job is safe.

Smith's cussing was on an online-only show, so it's even further out of the FCC's jurisdiction.

Sana,
I don't think the Fox viewers would complain because their share his point of view, so really only the left viewers would try to get the FCC involved. No one is going to demand he be fired and, as RCade just pointed out, it was online, so no one even saw it until now.

Uh Shep, America does torture. The officials that have ordered this need to be held accountable.

#9 | Posted by 726

I guess that includes all members of congress that were briefed on it but did nothing to stop it. I do believe they actualy signed off on it.

#20 | Posted by Flcracker67

Wait, doesn't that validate the point? We admit all those things were attrocities, said they'd never happen again, signed a bunch of new treaties and international agreements, tried a bunch of people at Nuremberg for torture (including waterboarding), and now did it ourselves again? So you are saying that because we violated the basics tenants of our democracy once, we should be ok violating them again and again? yeah...sounds like a terrible idea to me...idiot.

As far as the right goes, why is it anything goes until its aimed at them and then its suddenly a Constitutional right our forefathers fought and died for?

"Sana,1
I don't think the Fox viewers would complain because their share his point of view, so really only the left viewers would try to get the FCC involved. No one is going to demand he be fired and, as RCade just pointed out, it was online, so no one even saw it until now.

#26 | Posted by kanrei at 2009-04-23 12:05 PM"

What? It's Fox viewers who are anti-torture and would want off the train if we torture, and the "left viewers" who would disagree with that? Who knew?

"I guess that includes all members of congress that were briefed on it but did nothing to stop it. I do believe they actualy signed off on it.

#27 | Posted by Sniper at 2009-04-23 12:09 PM"

That would be fine with me. They can share Darth Cheney's cell and watch his premature demise from having a black heart.

"My Great, Great uncle talked about the policy he was forced to carry out of killing all male Indians (indcluding 10 year old boys) during the Indian campaigns in the late 1800s."

Hey, if it was ok to murder all the Indian men then water boarding is pretty minor.

Right wing logic.

No wonder America is so screwed up.

People like that have been running things.

""I guess that includes all members of congress that were briefed on it but did nothing to stop it. I do believe they actualy signed off on it."

IF they objected there was nothing they could do about it because the information was classified.

I think you've missed my point, Kan.

I wasn't talking about viewer complaints about the word he used, I was talking about him deviating from the standard Fox party line on the issue.

IF they objected there was nothing they could do about it because the information was classified.

Typical left wing logic. We knew about it, we endorsed it, we encouraged it. But we couldn't object to it because we were the minority.

Typical left wing logic."

Yeah, it's called the truth.

Show me how it isn't true.

IF they objected there was nothing they could do about it because the information was classified.

#32 | Posted by danni at 2009-04-23 12:17

and so how does this matter?

libs have had no problem going to the ny times for other stuff..
and they are even now trying to say they werent even there.......please

and since you are here

yesterday I talked about who is really running the country and you said oh yeah who

well here is the timeline

obama STATES WITH NO amount of confusion that no one will be railroaded and no commission

after SOROS sends a letter to leahy we now find out
and commercials appear from MOVEON calling for that

AND MAGICALLY>>>OBAMA FLIPS AND THEN FLOPS!!!!!!!
well there you have the leaders of the country at least on this issue

Typical left wing logic."

Yeah, it's called the truth.

Show me how it isn't true.

#35 | Posted by danni at 2009-04-23 12:25 PM

Show you what? Your ignorance echoing Pelosi? It has been posted umpteen times in the last couple of days the dems knowledge, endorsement and approval of the techniques used. Pretty hard to object when you question if they go far enough.

Show me how it isn't true.

#35 | Posted by danni at 2009-04-23 12:25 PM

Read the article before crying about dems being handcuffed.

With one known exception, no formal objections were raised by the lawmakers briefed about the harsh methods during the two years in which waterboarding was employed, from 2002 to 2003, said Democrats and Republicans with direct knowledge of the matter. The lawmakers who held oversight roles during the period included Pelosi and Rep. Jane Harman (D-Calif.) and Sens. Bob Graham (D-Fla.) and John D. Rockefeller IV (D-W.Va.), as well as Rep. Porter J. Goss (R-Fla.) and Sen. Pat Roberts (R-Kan).
www.washingtonpost.com

I think Shepard Smith tortures his mascara.

Maybe we really DON'T fuckin' torture ANY MORE, since a slightly more human president gave orders not to. But I fear that his predecessor pulled the cork out of the bottle and we will again water-board, hang from the ceiling or for all I know, rip the fingernails from "suspects" if our so-called intelligence people deem that as necessary. herm

herm

I believe that no waterboarding has been done in like 6 years, if I heard it right...

and your last post is filled with hyperbole

is that the word for exxagerated bullshit???

its a joke..relax

But I fear that his predecessor pulled the cork out of the bottle and we will again water-board, hang from the ceiling or for all I know, rip the fingernails from "suspects" if our so-called intelligence people deem that as necessary. herm

IOW, this is yet the latest thing Bush gets blamed for -- Obama's inability to change past wrongs. What kind of milquetoast did you guys elect anyway?

Isn't it convenient that when your guy does something right, he his hailed as the fresh change from Bush, but when he continues bush's policies like wiretapping and torture, it is still Bush's fault for letting the genii out of the bottle.

It must really suck to be so partisianly brainwashed, herm. My condolences on the loss of your free thinking abilities (assuming you ever had them -- I don't know how long the DNC has been in control of your mind)

Sheppard Smith, make no mistake is a Conservative news person but in KATRINA an this TORTURE situation he has proven to be a real reporter, some things are so obvious that even a FOX Noise person has to be honest about it. Remember even a blind squirrel finds an acorn now an than.....

I guess that includes all members of congress that were briefed on it but did nothing to stop it. I do believe they actualy signed off on it.

#27 | Posted by Sniper at 2009-04-23 12:09 PM

Yes it does.

Hmmm.. the Huffington Post, known (I'm so sure) for its "fair and balanced" blogging is gleefully quoting Fox News..

What's this?

I like Shep Smith, he's the coolest guy in broadcast news, but I'm very glad we waterboarded to forestall the second wave attack in Los Angeles.

You can't have it both ways.. we either let a lot of Americans die, or we use enhanced interrogation techniques.. the constitution is not a suicide pact.. and until now, politicians used common sense...

Obama is going to get a lot of Americans killed with his idiotic and double-talking stance on this..

so it should be governmet policy that is alright to break laws and have no consequesces

blame a damn female private for all of the torture in iraq. not a lie just an oops story

kill a few prisoners in the secret jails, but that is ok because they were oppses, not murder

Remember even a blind squirrel finds an acorn now an than.....

#43 | Posted by celisary at 2009-04-23 01:02

thats correct and even a squirrel finds his nuts every now and then too

so any idea when your time will come???? lOL

Most Americans favor torture of certain terrorists like OBL.

#3 | POSTED BY FWTHOM

Amazing.

Obama is going to get a lot of Americans killed with his idiotic and double-talking stance on this..

#45 | Posted by nmg_no at 2009-04

for a long time I have warned

liberal naivete of the world will get americans killed. its a real shame that we seem to be heading the way of september 10, 2001 each day of the obama presidency

The left again blows with the wind....right after 9-11 Pelosi and her cronies approve of all of the techniques they now call torture but years later when it isnt cool they are against it. What a surprise. What a waste of time this story is, there is NO WAY this will ever go to trial because of the left's involvement.

"Most Americans favor torture of certain terrorists like OBL."

Too bad the Commander-in-Chief at the time favored letting him go free.

"for a long time I have warned
liberal naivete of the world will get americans killed"

Thanks for the prognosticating.
I'm with you on this, by the way.
Thank God Almighty George Bush was POTUS on 9/11/01.
Otherwise there might have been some people killed.

Yes unfortuantely the USA DOES torture becasue too many fox viewers voted for BUSH

doc...I have to admit it..I sort of skipped a heartbeat when I read...IM with you but thankfully I kept reading and got your little joke.
thanks for not stopping there
you agreeing with me could have set off a whole wave of mind numbing thoughts....

Yes unfortuantely the USA DOES torture becasue too many fox viewers voted for BUSH

#55 | Posted by Monstman at 2009

so how does this work out?
I am really looking forward to this explanation

Apparently, we do.

liberal naivete of the world will get americans killed. its a real shame that we seem to be heading the way of september 10, 2001 each day of the obama presidency

#51 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2009-04-23 01:51 PM | Reply

Good to know you are keeping your subscription to the Sean Hannity Talking Points Memo.

"you agreeing with me could have set off a whole wave of mind numbing thoughts...."

Scary, eh?

You're getting a pass on "mind numbing," so you owe me one.

Let Fox shitcan him. He will be a welcome addition to the CNN team

"liberal naivete of the world will get americans killed." - Iraq War supporter.

#62 - yeah, that one was hard to ignore, eh, Brock? Sheesh.

liberal naivete of the world will get americans killed

~Babbler

Conservative greed, naivete, incompetance and utter lack of morality has gotten Americans killed including those on 9/11.

Looking beyond yer own little patch of turf it has also lead directly to the unneccessary deaths of hundreds of thousands the displacement of millions and the torture of uncounted numbers of people.

Conservative naivete has made the US and indeed the entire world a much less safe place to be.

Face it, yer boys failed.

Failed the country, the world and the troops in an attempt to maximise profits for their Big Oil cronies first and foremost.

You can own that truth or continue to delude yerself and live in denial of the facts but it still won't make it any less true.

On Topic?

Good fer Shep Smith fer showing he, at least, among the rabble rousing neo-Nazi illegal war supporting, torture-happy goons at FOX actually posseses a rudimentary conscience and some degree of sense.

Be Well.

No wonder America is so screwed up.

#31 | Posted by danni at 2009-04-23 12:16 PM | Reply | Flag:

STFU - America is the greatest country in the world.

STFU - America is the greatest country in the world.
#65 | Posted by MrFair Flag: Touchy, Touchy, Touchy

STFU - America is the greatest country in the world.

#65 | Posted by MrFair

We're perfect? No faults or problems at all? And if, by some bizarre chance, there are any, don't say them out loud and they'll just go away miraculously?

Shep needs to get a grip. Most Americans favor torture of certain terrorists like OBL.

#3 | Posted by fwthom at 2009-04-23 10:04 AM | Reply |

Most americans do not favor torture of people that are not like OBL.

And therein lies the problem.

And it seems for some of you, its totally ok if innocent people are tortured. Or at the very least, your indifferent to it.

This guy would have loved to be waterboarded rather than this:

STFU - America is the greatest country in the world.
#65 | Posted by MrFair Flag: Touchy, Touchy, Touchy

#66 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2009-04-23 03:18 PM | Reply | Flag

Fuckin-A right I am touchy. I know we have problems, but I am SO DAMNED TIRED of the Dannis of the world like a broken record reminding us how messed up this country is.

So tough titty for your flag.

And SANAN - I dd NOT say we were perfect. Go read it again, Poindexter.

And BTW when did you two become the spokesmen for Danni?

And SANAN - I dd NOT say we were perfect. Go read it again, Poindexter.

#70 | Posted by MrFair

Then probably a "fairer" response would have been to rebut the post rather than go for the cheap STFU. Because the rest of us get equally tired of the "love it or leave it" type of rejoinders, Poindexter.

"SO DAMNED TIRED"

You don't have to read or listen. It's up to you. Until you figure out a way to do that you'll just have to live with it. E Pluribus Unum.

Then probably a "fairer" response would have been to rebut the post rather than go for the cheap STFU. Because the rest of us get equally tired of the "love it or leave it" type of rejoinders, Poindexter.

#71 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue at 2009-04-23 03:52 PM | Reply | Flag

Well don't put me in the "love it or leave it" category, Sanan. And I think STFU was an appropriate response, considering I have been reading Danni's Drivel for about 4 years now and have never asked her to do so before.

Like a broken record.

I would rather be waterboarding

BPH-
Waterboarding is just the splashy flavor of the process. The cool part is in more mundane day to day operation such as stripping people naked and chaining them to the ceiling, letting them shit themselves, and keeping them awake. You get to go in and slap them every once in a while, too. The Chicoms had it all worked out, which is why we adopted their methods and secretly declared them legal.

It's the exception that proves the rule and it's the presence of one high profile man with American values in its midst that proves the total absence of them in the cesspool that is fOX News Channel.

"We are America, we don't torture!"

---------------

Look up: Native American

Native American

I prefer Indian

yes, america does torture.

yes, america does torture.

#79 | Posted by Georgeisadrunk

NUH UHHHHH!!!!

Native American

I prefer Indian

#78 | Posted by goatman

What's wrong with Red Man?

SO when is Obama going after VMI for torturing their plebes. If Obama truly believes waterboarding is torture he should prosecute any VMI graduate that assisted in waterboarding plebes.
Why isn't Jim Webb front and center on this issue. By the way, Ollie North who was waterboarded beat Jim Webb at Annapolis in a boxing championship.

North Dakota will always be the "Fighting Sioux"

Native American

I prefer Indian

#78 | Posted by goatman

What's wrong with Red Man?

"All my friends are Indians
All my friends are brown and red"

~"Spoonman"

Be Well.

/Luff that song.

What, exactly, do you find hypocritical?

#18 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue at

that anderson cooper gets away with using porn to ridicule us and shep gets his own thread for the 'f' bomb.
I guess those vanderbuilts work under a different set of rules.

Ollie North who was waterboarded beat Jim Webb at Annapolis in a boxing championship.

#82 | Posted by timbci at 2009-04-23 07:27 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
FunnyNewsworthyOffensiveAbusiv
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NOW WE know why webb thinks that way....
something was knocked loose

SO when is Obama going after VMI for torturing their plebes?

The hazing that goes on at VMI from the Involuntary Teabagging to the torturous psuedo waterboarding IS illegal.

But due to the nature of the beast convictions are hard to come by.

Pssst ...you fergot to mention the Seres training in yer deflection fest.

If yer gonna come after the left with talking points akin to broken crayons you'd best bring all the ammo you got.

Be Well.

dont tread on me

#19 | Posted by aflacblowertoo

Then stop spending sooo much of your time lying on the floor blowing the Aflac Duck-you won't get stepped on as much.

Sorry son but that doesn't hold up. there are many plebes that wash out and I would think it would be rather easy to find some weak liberal who gave VMI a shot. I repeat where is Jim Webb. Apparently he doesn't consider waterboarding all that important.

here are two cases of the left wing media getting thier dicks in the dirt and may not be able to get them out and YES I know that maddow is a woman or at least thats the rumor....

dont tread on me

#19 | Posted by aflacblowertoo

Then stop spending sooo much of your time lying on the floor blowing the Aflac Duck-you won't get stepped on as much.

#88 | Posted by frankf55 at 2009-04

sorry but this was just so funny that I forgot to laugh....LOL

'so funny that I forgot to laugh'

#91 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2009-04-23 08:08 PM | Reply | Flag: most original

and yet another example of the left wing medias 'FLAG SHIP" network and thier thirst for the whole story....well as long as it doesnt lose any more viewers...they cant afford to lose too many more.

"Native American

I prefer Indian

#78 | Posted by goatman"

What's wrong with Red Man?

#81 | Posted by Eddie

American Indian song --

oh gREAT ...

now Im gonna be singing that the rest of the night....lol

on the way to the golf course I drive by bud adams ranch...ASSHOLE that took my oilers away .....

and he has a herd of buffalo.....its unique but they dont do much...just sort of stand there.

UH OH>>>>

looks like matthews has some competition for the president..

Fuckin-A right I am touchy. I know we have problems, but I am SO DAMNED TIRED of the Dannis of the world like a broken record reminding us how messed up this country is.

--------

Then go live in china where they throw people who tell the truth in prison and torture them asshole.

We don't torture.

Loud rap music in a hot or cold room with a fake bug in the room and a slap in the face or water in the nose to three guys IS NOT TORTURE!!

We don't torture.

Loud rap music in a hot or cold room with a fake bug in the room and a slap in the face or water in the nose to three guys IS NOT TORTURE!!

Posted by MURPHY at 2009-04-23 11:32 PM | Reply

The United States DOES torture

People who think that the U.S.A. doesn't torture are historical imbeciles. No fucking idea where they came from or what the fuck they are talking about.

However, it hasn't been official acknowledged policy for the armed forces.

Soldiers aren't cops.

Bring the troops home.

End the empire.

Emperium is for the strong....

bended knee, the weak....

Bring the troops home.

End the empire.

I wish it were an empire.
I dream of an America where I can vacation in Tangiers and shop for a leather jacket in Milan without leaving America.

Then go live in china where they throw people who tell the truth in prison and torture them asshole.

#98 | Posted by Shawn at 2009-04-23 10:02 PM | Reply | Flag:

SANAN - I found your "love it or leave it" guy here...

Then go live in china where they throw people who tell the truth in prison and torture them asshole

China is a wonderful place. China throws people in jail who break the law and prisoners shouldn't pass the time watching cable TV and doing laundry.

I actually think Ole Shep is one of the more (if not only) 'balanced' people at FAUX News even though I disagree with him completely on this issue.

I actually think Ole Shep is one of the more (if not only) 'balanced' people at FAUX News even though I disagree with him completely on this issue.

Are you misinterpreting Shep's statement to mean that America under Bush DID NOT do anything that can be called torture cos that's not what he's saying.

He recognises that waterboarding is obviously torture and is saying that America is better than that.

Re-read the actual quote in context see if that helps.

We are America! I don't give a rat's ass if it helps. We are America! We do not fucking torture!"

Be Well.

We're AmeriKa we don't fricking torture (waterboarding doesn't count on account of the technicality that we say it doesn't count; so nyaah!)...(not saying Shep says so, but some on the Right certainly believe this poppycock)

We're AmeriKa we don't ship out high paying jobs,
to other countries so that the stock margins will be better on Wall Street...

We're AmeriKa we don't accept bailout money if it will limit the pay of righteously overpaid CEO's...
(Chrysler)

We're AmeriKa we don't believe democrats who say Trickle Down Economics never worked, even though the evidence clearly shows that it hasn't...

We're AmeriKa we don't believe democrats who say
that they are not after our guns and our wallets
(because secretly, somehow, we know that they are)...

We're AmeriKa we don't believe that placing limitations on securities trading is a Patriotic thing to do...(Paul Vockner removed by Reagan in favor of supply side guru Alan Greenspan)...

oh wait, REALITY CHECK...

Waterboarding defined by the Geneva Convention as torture...

Good paying jobs shipped out to Mexico, India, China at record pace...

CEO fiascos at AIG, Chrysler, Bank of AmeriKa, GM,
JPMorgan...etc..etc...

The richest 2% of adults in the world own more than half of global household wealth according to a path-breaking study released today by UNU World Institute for Development Economics Research (UNU-WIDER). Yeah....that Trickle Down really worked.
Call it RACE UPWARDS WEALTH is more like it...

"When Obama got elected, I went out and bought a rifle and pistol shells for every weapon ... UNREPENTANT CONSERVATIVE CAPITOLIST on January 16, 2009 at 4:58 PM ... Since the election I've picked up an AR15 and an XD45. .... I am buying cowboy guns, reloading equipment and guns in federal calibers." (to which I can only say...Yeehaw! You paranoid freakasauris!)

"The Obama Administration Is Coming For Your Guns"---Right Wing News (this is known as Fear Mongering)

"Greenspan, 82, acknowledged under questioning that he had made a "mistake" in believing that banks, operating in their own self-interest, would do what was necessary to protect their shareholders and institutions. Greenspan called that "a flaw in the model ... that defines how the world works."" (Like duhh!! Unregulated Human Greed, uh, never works)

"Republican Greenspan, a staunch believer in free markets, now to propose that government consider tougher regulations, including requiring financial firms that package mortgages into securities to keep a portion as a check on quality."

Reality has smacked some on the Right, and they have modified their position somewhat to face the new reality that much of what they have believed for over 30 years was flat out wrong...

Many of the others, those most vehemently immersed in their Party's Dogma, believe the GOP can do no wrong--despite the overwhelm plethora of evidence to the contrary...

Shepard is the MAN! great news guy and tries to be as un-biased as possible. you all are just a bunch of haters! don't like him, tune to wolf blitzer on MSNBC for your daily dose of cool-aid...

The United States DOES torture

#100 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2009-04-24 12:23 AM

Larry tortures the DR daily.

Get off the train Shep, quick. Everytime that there is a press conference and they give a close up to Helen, a lot of people are tortured.

#108 | Posted by earthmuse at 2009-04-24 08:01 AM | Reply | Flag

Thanks for making your post brief, Tolstoy - and for misspelling the name of our country.

China is a wonderful place. China throws people in jail who break the law and prisoners shouldn't pass the time watching cable TV and doing laundry. -- timbicile

-------------

An honest national socialist at last.

Firstly, you are describing a Hollywood style of water boarding that is not exactly how it is done. A prophylactic type of device is used to ensure that the individual being interrogated is safe from physical harm. It is a forced psychological state that the individual is placed into, sometimes repeatedly, in order to confirm the validity of the information recovered.

It is not torture as there are no long term physical or psychological injuries and the information gained from these types of Q&A are very reliable and are only allowed if the possibilities of failure with other types of interrogation methods are extremely high and the information desired will save innocent lives. This is a simplistic explanation but the only one that should be discussed in this type of forum.

It is not torture as there are no long term physical or psychological injuries and the information gained from these types of Q&A are very reliable and are only allowed if the possibilities of failure with other types of interrogation methods are extremely high and the information desired will save innocent lives. This is a simplistic explanation but the only one that should be discussed in this type of forum.

LOL!

You believe this shit then I have a ocean front house and property in kansas you might like.

This is a simplistic explanation...

~Crock

Also patently false and really, really stupid.

You got a tape of these torture sessions to back up any of that crap?

A) It is torture and has been for centuries.

B) Psychological damage is a given not an impossibility.

C) Physical damage prevented by a prophylactic? WTF does that even mean?

D) The info derived by this method is less reliable than that obtained through less coercive means.

E) Not one innocent life was saved by the use of these techniques.

F) More lives are actually imperilled by the use of this technique due to the outrage it sparks.

Be Well.

"E) Not one innocent life was saved by the use of these techniques."

g) Talk to the Navy "SEALS" or any other "torture" group. Spud - you can't tell me torture doesn't work. Just ask one your fellow Canadian commandos.

Capitalism is a dirty business...

....communisim/socialisim/
facisim is even dirtier.

g) Talk to the Navy "SEALS" or any other "torture" group. Spud - you can't tell me torture doesn't work. Just ask one your fellow Canadian commandos.

John McCain was tortured and sed he gave false intel.

The recent story by the main FBI interogator sed that all the good intel came before the torture.

Not saying that torture never werks just that it's unneccessary, highly counter-productive in terms of the larger goals it works towards and that the negatives far outweigh the positives.

All the non-reality based "ticking time bomb" scenarios in the world won't change that.

Be Well.

Seems to me we used to be a nation that went out of its way to hurt nations that used torture and such.......guess our example of freedom and respect of people has been lost in this nation with the advent of accepting so many immigrants from those torturous nations.