Jesus works in mysterious ways.

He was obviously smuggling drugs or illegals or he would have let them search his car. If he'd done nothing wrong then he'd have nothing to hide.

- The Right

Sounds like somebody has a pretty good civil suit.

I wonder what his opinion of border control practices was before he found himself on the losing end of them.

I wonder what his opinion of border control practices was before he found himself on the losing end of them.

I'm going to guess that his opinion about the methods of the border patrol hasn't changed. There are videos on you tube and circulating around the internet of border patrol agents claiming that their authority grants them the ability to ignore the constitution.

"Papers, please."

Uh, ... I only have a pipe, man.

#2 Hey Johnny - drink THIS hotsauce. Why don't you post an original thought from your own side?

"There are videos on you tube and circulating around the internet of border patrol agents claiming that their authority grants them the ability to ignore the constitution."

I'm sure Obama will take care of all this in due course.

I think this video paints a little different picture.

The video I linked is a separate encounter that the pastor had with border patrol. It is not the same stop when which he claims he was assaulted.

I have no problem with someone asserting their rights but that is no excuse for not extending basic courtesy to law enforcement officials.

What he did was asserting his rights. Lowering your window is granting the officer unspoken permission to lean into your vehicle. Police and other law enforcement are taught to use your words against you to incriminate yourself.

Ever been pulled over? What do you think "Do you know why I pulled you over?" means?

I'm sure Obama will take care of all this in due course.

Not when the "safety and security" of Americans is at stake.

Police State... Police State!

Whachagonnado???

Over here, any cop can stop you and ask for your ID.

I show them my ID and then it's off you go mate.

Takes half a minute, tops.

Why did this prick of a padre show them attitude?

NEVER give cops an attitude. Anyone who has had dogs for pets knows that cops are exactly like your German-Sheppard. They focus on your tone and how you are carrying yourself. If you are giving vague and evasive answers they will dig in deeper.

Some of you people are really stupid! Did you even watch the video.
These were border patrol looking for so called illegals, over one hundred miles within the US border.
They had no probable cause to search his car, and they lied and said that the police dog alerted on his car.
Some of you people are either really stupid, or so cowardly that you can't admit the truth. Or you are purposefully ignorant because you like seeing a police state take shape. Which ever reason it is, you're douche bags.

In addition they turn a blind eye to torture done by their government agents, and civilian police using tasers; the equivalent of cattle prods but more powerful!

Cretin hypocrites!

They had no probable cause to search his car, and they lied and said that the police dog alerted on his car.

You can count on them to lie if they have to justify their actions when they are in the wrong.

NEVER give cops an attitude. Anyone who has had dogs for pets knows that cops are exactly like your German-Sheppard. They focus on your tone and how you are carrying yourself. If you are giving vague and evasive answers they will dig in deeper.

I've experimented and that works the best. When I'm pulled over, I know I'm going to get screwed, so why fight it. When I relax and cooperate, it relaxes the cop. In that mood, they are more inclined to be a little more forgiving. Still, never admit wrongdoing and volunteer nothing; let him do the talking. At night, turn on your dome light. Never for an instant reach for identification in a manner he might interpret as going for a gun. Tell him what you have to do and let him guide you.

I don't do that because I respect cops. These people can make your life miserable on a whim. They need to feel loved. Play the game.

Typical police behavior. I have been wrongly arrested before. If not for a good lawyer I would have been fucked. If you get lippy with a cop they will break the law to screw you. I had a buddy that turned the tables on the cop. He videotaped the bust and proved the cops lied on the police report

Or you are purposefully ignorant because you like seeing a police state take shape. Which ever reason it is, you're douche bags.

#13 | Posted by JeffnDenmark

For those moments, one on one, they own your life. That's the reality.
There are other ways to resist. But that's another story.

I have to agree with Axiom on this one. I applaud the guy for standing up for his rights. At the end of the video (yes I watched the whole thing), they tried to save face by saying their "superiors" were making them let him go because "they have better things to do". They then try to trick the situation by placing officers in front of his car so if he had tried to move it they could claim he attempted to run down officers. The thing that saved him from arrest all through this incident was the camera. He made sure they were aware he was taping.

Did anyone notice that the officer tried to use his refusal to search as justification of probable cause? Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't the Supreme Court decide that refusal to consent to search does not constitute probable cause. Yet these officers were trying to claim just such a thing.

I don't do that because I respect cops. These people can make your life miserable on a whim. They need to feel loved. Play the game.

@Ray,

I say, don't play the game. Playing the game simply encourages the power grab. Refuse any abuse of power by the authorities. Refuse to grant--even ONCE-- any power not given to them by the law. Courtesy for the officers is one thing. However courtesy is earned. Once an officer refuses to show courtesy and tries to assert control they are not legally entitled to, and use intimidation to gain that control, they have forfeited any right to courtesy.

"Just going on along with it" is how they gain traction in the first place. If people had stood up for their rights decades ago instead of capitulating to "just get it over with", we might not be having this discussion today.

While you may be aware of your rights the guy in the car behind you and the hundred or so other folks in line probably don't, or they don't care so long as they get to work on time and have their latte and plasma tv.

I'll give them the respect that they feel they have earned by putting a badge and uniform on. I'll say Yes, Sir and No, Sir when they ask me direct questions.

But if they're going to dance around and ask me questions in an attempt to have my incriminate myself to make their job easier, the only thing they'll get is a blank stare. If they want to search my trunk or under my seats or glove box, they need a warrant.

He was obviously smuggling drugs or illegals or he would have let them search his car. If he'd done nothing wrong then he'd have nothing to hide.

- The Right

#2 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2009-04-19 09:51 AM

???

I thought the general concensus among the left was that Baptist preachers were rabid right wing fundies. I guess they aren't anymore when the agenda is right. But being the cunning chameleons that they are, they can change in an instant. Beware Baptist preachers!

Goatcoward back has it been 2 weeks already?

Goat how do you know he was a right wing fundie? I have met some preachers that were very liberal. They believe more in the love aspect of the bible than the condemnation.

Goat how do you know he was a right wing fundie? I have met some preachers that were very liberal. They believe more in the love aspect of the bible than the condemnation.

#22 | Posted by rastaninja at 2009-04-19 10:22 PM

Uh huh... that sure explains the term "talibaptist" that gets thrown around here.

BTW... I am a conservative and a Republican, but I happen to think the police were way over the line and abusing power.

I guess that kind of debunks your theory that this has anything to do with partisan politics. The only thing partisan about it is your pathetic comments.

Goatcoward back has it been 2 weeks already?

I'm not sure what the 'coward' thing is all about. Care to explain?

No, it hasn't been two weeks. I had to stop by home and do some laundry and download pictures from my camera to the PC.

moonman rethugs are the first ones that supported the patriot act. I guess when minorities rights are violated you support it 100% but when it's one of your kind it's a problem. You are the first one that will say let them listen to my phone calls I'm not doing anything wrong.

Goat how do you know he was a right wing fundie?

???

I have no idea if he is or not. Drinking and blogging again, ratsa?

moonman rethugs are the first ones that supported the patriot act.

Really??? Wow! Considering I hated the Patriot Act, I guess that is debunked too. Get a clue you hack.

I guess when minorities rights are violated you support it 100% but when it's one of your kind it's a problem.

Ahhhh... can't make your point one way so try to throw up a strawman. How typically pathetic.

Nope, I don't believe anyone's rights should be violated.

You are the first one that will say let them listen to my phone calls I'm not doing anything wrong.

Wrong again. Not a big fan of the wiretapping either. Man... 0-3 tonight Rasta. I would say this is unusual for you... but it isn't.

Correction... make that 0-4

Not only did you strike out, but you are too stupid to realize you should stop swinging and give the next batter a shot.

but when it's one of your kind it's a problem.

BTW.. isn't that like saying "you people"? Are you a racist, Rasta? What do you mean by "your kind"? What kind would that be?

Bigot.

#27
Mooma,
If that is really the way you feel, you are in the minority of the minority of the minority party and you shouldn't think you speak for it on these points.

No claims were debunked by your post.

If that is really the way you feel, you are in the minority of the minority of the minority party

Really? Proof?

No claims were debunked by your post.

Sure there was. You claim it is a partisan thing. Since there are people on both sides that support the things you don't like, and there are people on both sides that are against them... that means it isn't a partisan issue.

You paint with the broad brush of ignorance. What remains to be seen is if you will educate yourself.

After your bigoted remarks, I remain skeptical that you will do so.

I'm not sure what the 'coward' thing is all about. Care to explain?

#24 | POSTED BY GOATMAN

Republicans consistently give up freedom for safety so that makes most republicans cowards.

Republicans consistently give up freedom for safety so that makes most republicans cowards.

Oh. I should've known.

Whatever does it for you, ratsa.

Republicans consistently give up freedom for safety

What do you call tax and welfare which is consistently pushed by the Democrats? How about the global warming bullshit (aka, give the government more control or you will all die)?

By your criteria, there are plenty of examples of giving up freedom for temporary safety on both sides. You just focus on the most simplistic ones. I wonder why? A lack of sophistication in your thought processes maybe?

BTW Rasta,

Goatman has consistently stated he is not a Republican. Considering that on occasion I have seen him take a liberal stance on things, I have no reason to doubt him.

Maybe you are just so radically and rabidly liberal that anything that doesn't lock-step with you must be Republican. Again, that is just a lack of sophistication in your thought processes and shouldn't be confused with reality.

Maybe you are just so radically and rabidly liberal that anything that doesn't lock-step with you must be Republican

Ratsa is just a troll. Even many of his fellow liberals disown him, which is rare on this blog considering the birds of a feather thing.

He's just an incredible attention whore and being outrageous is his way of getting what he lacks in life. He freely admits he has to pay to get laid, so obviously he doesn't get much attention socially as normal humans would.

He's to be pitied, not reviled.

Goat you are the attention whore who has chased off many a good poster here. Not me though. Republicans are so afraid of Muslims they are willing to do give up everything for the appearance of safety. Nobody can give you complete safety. Moonman is the actual troll. I remember correctly he made up a story in order to solicit donations.

Pity is for those that can't help themselves. Until he proves otherwise, I will assume that he CAN help himself and chooses not to.

Goat you are the attention whore who has chased off many a good poster here.

Who has he chased off, Rasta?

The only reason you haven't is because no one cares enough about what you say to leave.

Republicans are so afraid of Muslims they are willing to do give up everything for the appearance of safety.

Hrm... which really begs the question of Republican Muslims (of which I know a few)... are they afraid of Muslims too?

You just won't put that brush down will you, Rasta?

Moonman is the actual troll. I remember correctly he made up a story in order to solicit donations.

Hahahahaha... so you are trying THAT old chestnut? Talk about being a troll. You get your ass handed to you time and again on this thread so you have to REALLY dig back to try and find something to get me with. Nice try. All you do is prove your ignorance.

Why pity me? I lead a life you wish you could have. I have several women that I date. Sometimes I choose not to waste my time on a date and go straight to the main course. I see nothing wrong with that.

I lead a life you wish you could have.

Hardly. I am married because I CHOSE to be. Before that, I had several women that I dated... but I didn't have to pay for it. Some were just booty calls... some were for more.

Seems I had everything you did PLUS I got to spend my money on something other than sex.

You hardly make the case for people not to pity you. You almost even had ME playing the sad violin for you with that last post.

Tell me, did you also have to roll in bacon grease to get a dog to play with you?

Republicans consistently give up freedom for safety so that makes most republicans cowards.

Remind me, again, why so many on the left want to ban guns.

Why pity me? I lead a life you wish you could have. I have several women that I date. Sometimes I choose not to waste my time on a date and go straight to the main course. I see nothing wrong with that.

Experience demonstrates that the one who boasts the most sits at home alone masturbating to the latest bra and panty section of the sears catalogue.

Posted by Axiom
*****

Is the new ad out this week?

I lead a life you wish you could have. I have several women that I date. Sometimes I choose not to waste my time on a date and go straight to the main course. I see nothing wrong with that.

#40 | Posted by rastaninja at 2009-04-20 12:04 AM | Reply | Flag:

Hardly. I am married because I CHOSE to be. Before that, I had several women that I dated... but I didn't have to pay for it. Some were just booty calls... some were for more.

#41 | Posted by moomanfl at 2009-04-20 12:08 AM | Reply | Flag:

This is some funny shit!

I lead a life you wish you could have.

From what you present to the DR, I want no part of the lifestyle you lead. Maybe it's all an act, and I really hope so, because anyone whose life is as pathetic as yours appears to be is in bad shape.

But even if it is true and you have a superbly wonderful life better than anyone else's and you are hiding that for some reason, I have to ask: What kind of loser comes to a blog full of anonymous people and tries to convince them of his own superiority and to-be-envied lifestyle? To me, that is the trademark of a loser and someone with extremely low self-confidence.

But as I said, this pathetic front you put up may all be an act. For your sake, I hope so. Because the facade you present is one of a downtrodden, brow-beaten loser.

"What kind of loser comes to a blog full of anonymous people and tries to convince them of his own superiority..."

You wanna take that one, Rex?

Don't disrupt my chi, Fifi.

Betelg,

My point being, he thinks he has it better because he can pay just the "main course" (as if anyone would actually want to eat the diseased shit you get from prostitutes) and be done with it.

However there are plenty of guys out there that have regular booty calls that don't have to pay for a thing except the condom. Whether you believe I had one of those situations at one time is immaterial to me as long as the larger point is understood.

Regardless, I am married now and not playing the field, and that was by CHOICE. In other words, I am right where I WANT to be.

Mooman-
I got your point and agree, but your "I got some too" penis waving juvenile bullshit was on the same level. Why even go there? Why bother with someone who thinks paying prostitutes for sex is anything but sad, desperate, and creepy?

You want to field this one, Rex?

I've had plenty of booty calls but I like to know I am helping some poor mexican mamacita help pay her rent or buy some food for her kids. It feels like I am really doing some good. I am a generous man and have been known to leave a 10 dollar tip on a 30 dollar bill.

Betelg I grew up in a different world than you. where I come from there is no shame in buying yourself a piece every now and then.

Betelg,

I got your point to. The only reason I did it, was because it entertained me to do so. Lets face it, we all engage in "juvenile bullshit" from time to time on this blog, and you are just as guilty. To play sanctimonious now is just plain disingenuous of you.

Regardless, as long as my ultimate point has been understood I see no reason to continue.

I've had plenty of booty calls but I like to know I am helping some poor mexican mamacita help pay her rent or buy some food for her kids. It feels like I am really doing some good. I am a generous man and have been known to leave a 10 dollar tip on a 30 dollar bill.

Translation:

"I'm not desperate for sex...

No... its... its...

Its HER! Yeah.... that's the ticket. SHE is the one desperate for help! Yeah!" --Rastaninny

Keep trying to convince, Rasta.

Mooman-
I think it was more the I-got-pussy-lots-of-it crap that I found amusing. That and your use of the phrase "booty call".

That's all.

moonman just admit I am more generous than you. Then we can end this and I can come away with my inevitable victory.

I've had plenty of booty calls but I like to know I am helping some poor mexican mamacita help pay her rent or buy some food for her kids. It feels like I am really doing some good. I am a generous man and have been known to leave a 10 dollar tip on a 30 dollar bill.

#52 | Posted by rastaninja at 2009-04-20 12:40 AM | Reply | Flag:

You're reading a script, right? You are playing the part of the creepy lecher, right?

You can stop now.

moonman just admit I am more generous than you.

If you were that generous, you would give them the money for doing nothing. The fact that you give them the money for sex is anything but generous. It is the definition of self-serving.

Your victory is a big "FAIL".

I think it was more the I-got-pussy-lots-of-it crap that I found amusing.

Well, I don't mind if you find it amusing. If I was lying that is amusing. However if I was telling the truth, that has it's own amusement.

That and your use of the phrase "booty call".

You think THAT was funny? You should have seen my 17 year old's face when my mom gave her a gold necklace for Christmas last year and called it "bling bling".

I could be wrong, but I believe it was my generation that started the "booty call" term. At least that is what we called it when I was 19.

You get funny flags from me, Mooman.

You are playing the part of the creepy lecher, right?

No, he's playing the part of the big-hearted philantrhopist. He fucks these whores for their own good.

Such an altruistic ratsa, he is.

Rasta is full of shit in so many contradictory ways he cancels himself out. I almost don't even see him anymore.

Goat gets the picture. Glad he sees the good in my deeds.

The pathetic thing is really that you're making shit up, Rasta. The next most pathetic thing is the content of your bullshit.

Betleg lies is all you have. Keep trying to spread them and I'll keep telling the truth.

Betleg lies is all you have. Keep trying to spread them and I'll keep telling the truth.

#66 | Posted by rastaninja at 2009-04-20 01:33 AM

Rasta,

I would give you a funny flag for that, but I won't because I know you were trying to be serious. Of course, that IS what makes your post so funny.

Ratninja wrote,

"I've had plenty of booty calls but I like to know I am helping some poor mexican mamacita help pay her rent or buy some food for her kids. It feels like I am really doing some good."

Actually what you are doing is keeping her imprisoned by her pimp. Yep chaps like you keep paying her and he keeps taking it all while beating her and keeping her addicted to drugs. You are truly ignorant of the world you live in.

Meh, Spud lives in vancouver.

Recently a Polish immigrant was taken down at the Vancouver Airport by 4 burly RCMP officers who tazed him 4 times and held him on the ground with a knee on his neck.

He died.

The cops official story and the video taken by shocked tourists witnessing the event did not match up.

The case quite stunned the local community. As of today the officers involved who killed this man have had no reprecussions wotsoever despite a massive outcry for charges to be laid on the officer. An inquiry, The Braidwood Inquiry is going on but nobody expects any justice from it.

This preacher man is lucky to be alive.

A good cop is worth his weight in gold.

A bad cop is worse than a bad criminal by a long shot.

Be Well.

Is the new ad out this week?

No idea. The girl I'm seeing introduced me to the Fredrick's of Hollywood catalog a while back and I've spent some quality time with the ladies in there.

Whiney ass Talibaptist!

Civil rights are for libscums!

Real Americans love Lawnorder!

Amen!

wow, deth,
i'm from vancouver,it seems to be an international city.I live in Arizona,and i have the opportunity to go down south.I've been at border patrol stops.It's good to be white

custer,
I hope your jokin
civil rights are for everyone

"your papers please" . . .

no hablo englais

"ok .. move on, you're holding up traffic". . .

Thsese Border Patrol guys don't have a sense of humor. I go through these checkpoints all the time around Del Rio, Laredo, US 90 following the Rio Grande, etc. In fact, I'll be headed that way in a couple of hours on a picture taking trip. (it's going to be a beautiful day for it)

I drive a white pickup truck. I am N. European descent, blue eyes, tall, light skin, etc., so I don't look like a wetback. The Border Patrol will stick their head in my truck, ask, "Are you an American citizen?" then let me pass. Easy.

One day I was in a jocular mood and answered "Si" to that question. Without missing a beat, he told me to pull the truck ovef and get out. But he never searched the truck, didn't run the tags, didn't ask for my driver's license or anything. He just made me stand on the side of the road for half an hour, then said I could go.

Don't fuck with these guys. They have ZERO sense of humor.

"He just made me stand on the side of the road for half an hour, then said I could go.

They have ZERO sense of humor."

I don't know about that. Making you stand on the road for answering "si" is pretty damned funny.

Gotta agree, he put you through a rather funny scenario for answering "si". I am also glad he did it, tired of people bitching about these guys when all they are usually given is a hard time by everyone.

LM

Many fishy parts to his story.....he never left the car, but was able to be sure what the dog was doing behind it?? When did the border patrol start using Great Danes.
Safe to assume there is video of this since it took place at a checkpoint, and these palces are loaded with camera's. I find it hard to believe that he was, by his words shot with three seperate tasers.....as he claims, additionally it's not just an arm that goes numb when hit by a taser, it's the whole body loses control so he would have gone through a 5-second charge without being able to control more than just his right arm. In my opinion he is at best exagerrating the details, and at worst a flat out liar.

LM

"I thought the general consensus among the left was that Baptist preachers were rabid right wing fundies."

Oh, I didn't say he wasn't a right-wing fundie. In fact after watching some of his other videos on youtube I feel confident in saying he is. He's got some awfully interesting views on Judaism. I bet he'd have some fun conversations with John Hagee.

Religious zealots are just as entitled to their constitutional protections as everyone else.

A good cop is worth his weight in gold.

#69 | Posted by dethspud

And just as rare.

I've had plenty of booty calls but I like to know I am helping some poor mexican mamacita help pay her rent or buy some food for her kids. It feels like I am really doing some good. I am a generous man and have been known to leave a 10 dollar tip on a 30 dollar bill.

#52 | Posted by rastaninja

My GOD!!! You're screwing $30 whores!?! Man, that is the most pathetic thing I've heard in a long time. And a ten dollar tip too. Whoooo....big spender you are man.

30 bucks is the going rate in juarez. Am I not entitled to a good bargain?

Human nature: people get arrogant when they have power. If it were not for the legal recourse, Americans would be suffering a great deal more from the hands of folks in uniform.

With Janet Napolitano threatening to profile conservatives, I guess the liberals are getting coarser.

Oh Obama!

TOSSER:
Over here, any cop can stop you and ask for your ID.
I show them my ID and then it's off you go mate.
Takes half a minute, tops.

Why did this prick of a padre show them attitude?
NEVER give cops an attitude. Anyone who has had dogs for pets knows that cops are exactly like your German-Sheppard. They focus on your tone and how you are carrying yourself. If you are giving vague and evasive answers they will dig in deeper.

not in America.

this guy was at one of those "road block checks" so those circumstances are slightly, not much, different... nevertheless and in honor of 420... these two Supreme Court cases may be outrageous to some drug warriors (wikipedia has them too):

Takitez-
re: "With Janet Napolitano threatening to profile conservatives, I guess the liberals are getting coarser."

When did she do that? Unless you consider Timothy McVeigh a "conservative" who was just minding his own business, I really have not the slightest fucking clue as to what you are yammering about.

Sounds like the Pastor was being a dick and got jerked around for it. Border guards have the right to ask people coming into the Country questions. If a guy refuses to answer, what do you expect? 4th Amendment rights are diminished when we're talking about people coming across borders.

Douche-boy didn't need to be tased, but was kinda beggin for it.

Sorry, that's how I feel about it. Put a turban on his head, give him an accent and the same shit about not answering questions about where you've been, where you're going, don't let them search your car etc to a border guard - you'd feel a little different about it too. Border guards need to be able to be a first line without bullshit like this little punk was putting out.

Nevermind, read the article where he wasn't coming across the Mexican border. If they did what he says, he's got a good case.

If he was coming across the border, fuck him.

I'll bet he was also on his way back from a meeting on how to smuggle illegals and drugs into the country.

He deserves what he got.

Fuck this piece of shit, answer the questions you fucking idiot. He was probably coming back from some fucking gayfest and did not want to be found out.

#89 | Posted by chickenrancher at 2009-04-20 09:53 PM | Reply | Flag:

I'll bet he was also on his way back from a meeting on how to smuggle illegals and drugs into the country.

He deserves what he got.

#90 | Posted by chickenrancher at 2009-04-20 09:55 PM | Reply | Flag:

I love to see the spirit of freedom over "tyranny" in the hearts and minds of good folk like you in these here troublin' times.

He was trying to smuggle more "Christians" across the border. The church is loosing market share in this country and is trying to bolster their ranks.

Ask yourself. Had they been Muslims would he be advocating for hordes of Shia or Sunni's to cross the boarder?

nuff said!

Or you are purposefully ignorant because you like seeing a police state take shape. Which ever reason it is, you're douche bags.

#13 | Posted by JeffnDenmark at 2009-04-19 05:13 PM | Reply

Jeff, cops have been jerks and assholes throughout all of history. It has nothing to do with a police state, but everything to do with the fact that some bullies are attracted to police work.

No warrant and no probable cause are needed for border patrol agents to conduct an immigration search of a vehicle. (See Sanchez v. US) He resisted the search, so it's unlikely he'll win any lawsuit.

I had to look this up because I remembered something about immigration enforcement searches. Wow. It would have sucked if I'd used my typical routine with border patrol in California! I never submit when I'm pulled over by the police. Though it doesn't happen very often, I believe it's my civic duty to remind them of the constitution through my action. I don't act like an ass, I just answer questions with a yes/no and refuse any request for a search.

#83. I hope you're not giving legal advice, because it's very bad. What you're talking about is relevant except when you're at an immigration checkpoint. There are other exceptions as well.

I'm all for resisting the police state, but Google can't replace good legal research skills. When you're exercising your constitutional rights, it's a good idea to make sure you know what they are.

The courts decision in the case you sight reads as follows:

But the search of the petitioner's automobile by a roving patrol, on a California road that lies at all points at least 20 miles north of the Mexican border,5 was of a wholly different sort. In the absence of probable cause or consent, that search violated the petitioner's Fourth Amendment right to be free of "unreasonable searches and seizures."

the 9th circut's decision was overturned. Mr. Pastor was in his rights to refuse.

No warrant and no probable cause are needed for border patrol agents to conduct an immigration search of a vehicle. (See Sanchez v. US) He resisted the search, so it's unlikely he'll win any lawsuit.

Is this true if the check point is not at the border? If that were the case, then they could stick a "border check point" in Utah, and call it an immigration search where people don't have rights. I don't buy your analysis. This guy, while extremely dumb, was not coming across any border to a foreign country.

You probably deserved it "pastor" Douchebag.

don't they know better than to beat up white folks?

no matter how out of control a cop becomes, his defense is always to accuse his victim of "resisting arrest". The system will back him up every time, unless someone makes a video which contradicts the cops claims.

The Border Patrol does not "taze" anyone. They let them make a run for it and then shoot them in the ass.

All of you spineless pussies That say the Pastor deserved it, or think its funny that cops abuse people, or think the guy deserved it because he was a Christian, you are the reason America is dying.
I hope you bastards get tased and abused by the cops.

*yawn*

Another "you spineless pussy" rant from the coward who left America. It's beyond belief that he doesn't see the irony in his daily name calling.

Jeff, it is hard to take a poser-American like you seriously. If I'm stupid enough to be a dick to a border patrol agent, I deserve to get tased. Guy seems on the edge in his video - I don't buy that he was a boy-scout to the officers.

And they never write or call....sniff....

-Chairpoodle 101

"I hope you bastards get tased and abused by the cops.

#101 | Posted by JeffnDenmark "

- Jealous.

I have watched some of his videos and been reading this thread and I have to comment...

First CRI (Chronic Reading Impairment) strikes again for some of you and others I am sure it is VWI (Video Watching Impairment). I am ready to bust out the ID-10T forms on you...

The guy was stopped by "border patrol" at a checkpoint INSIDE THE UNITED STATES! He was NOT coming from Mexico. He was IN Arizona. He had committed no crime - not even a traffic infraction. I am not at all in agreement with this guy on religion; but he has a good and valid point about his rights. I would love to see the tapes. I am sure it is only a matter of time. Some badges will be lost in the least.

This is NOT a police state. You don't need to provide ID unless there is probable cause you committed, are committing or are about to commit a crime. The push for a "National ID" system is trying to move away from that. Unlike so many other countries - you don't even need to have an ID! It does get very inconvenient without one however.

I am not certain on the legalities in Check Points. But some things I do know for sure. This includes Police and other Enforcement figures regularly lie on reports and in court and you never ever give police permission to search your vehicle - whether or not you think have anything to fear. I have friends carrying video cameras in their cars now because of "incidents". These are good upstanding everyday citizens - moms and dads - not radicals. I even have personal knowledge of an event that led to the death of an acquaintance. He was at fault in an "alcohol" related accident. He was the one obviously hurt, not belligerent and offered no resistance but the way he was handled and left led to his death from his injuries laying on the side of the road in handcuffs. Blood screens later showed he was not legally intoxicated but he did register some alchohol... Officers often do not know the law, don't care about the law, exercise more force then they should or need to and purposely lie to "suspects". It is one thing when you have to chase someone down and tackle them or they pull a weapon on you - I understand an adrenaline rush. It is another when someone is offering no resistance sitting in a car with hand in plain view and you are just pissed because they inconvenienced you.

Since when is standing up for your rights instead of capitulating to unwarranted demands being a jerk? The officers are the ones that need to remain patient, calm and reasonable. Because they have a badge and carry a gun does not make them above the law. Their duty is to protect and serve you the citizen. I personally know many different officers in various law enforcement segments. Except for a couple they are almost exclusively power trippers on some level. Most are pretty open with me their "friend" about things that occur.

As some have stated here too many are willing to let surrender their rights and liberties to avoid being inconvenienced. "It doesn't affect me" - do you know how many times I have heard that? No it doesn't - until it does. Then you cry and wail. The patriot act is pure evil. And the list just starts there...

All of you spineless pussies That say the Pastor deserved it, or think its funny that cops abuse people, or think the guy deserved it because he was a Christian, you are the reason America is dying.
I hope you bastards get tased and abused by the cops.

#101 | Posted by JeffnDenmark

Hey Jeff, I'm with you on this one. Please leave me out of any chem-trail discussions though.

These checkpoints are ridicules, in my opinion. They are a band aid on a much bigger problem that could be easily solved if everyone just simply obeyed the law.

Stop hiring illegals!

We can't get people to stop using drugs, so legalize drugs!

#86...
Betelg, either you have no clue or are in deception....

FBI spied on the recent 'Tea Parties'.

Obama may be antichrist.... Hitler ordered crosses be taken down in churches: Obama wished the named of Jesus be covered in a recent visit. Shame on you, Obama! (and the liberals have the guts to call him a practicing christian).

The intolerant liberals are beginning to show thier horns and tails. Pray!

FBI spied on the recent 'Tea Parties'.

The NSA through retroactively immunized telecoms and with the paid assistance of private companies spied on practically the entire nation, wingnut.

Where was yer rage about that?

Obama may be antichrist....

No "may" about it.

Obama aint the Anti-Christ.

You, on the other hand, ARE a certifiably batshiat insane jesusfreak.

Hitler ordered crosses be taken down in churches:

Hitler was a fan of the Catholic church and vice versa you self-godwinning, historically inaccurate mutant.

Obama wished the named of Jesus be covered in a recent visit.

Obama's people ordered a change to the podium from which he spoke fer esthetic reasons in accordance with previous stage crafting of his public speeches. Georgetown saw nothing wrong with the request.

Do you really think Obama has the time to fuck around with piddling details like that himself? Really?

Shame on you, Obama!

No, shame on you Tacky fer pretending to be a practising Christian when yer words belie that declaration with depressing frequency.

Be Well.

/Yes, Tacky is a troll and Spud knows he prolly shouldn't feed him but he just looked so pathetic and hungry there.
//Laws, Deth is soft hearted Spud.

Obama may be antichrist...

And I'm Mickey fucking Mouse.

Obama is going about with fear of offending his godless and liberal supporters: and praises Islam's contribution to America. I call that gutless and ungrateful (to America).

abortion lover too....

another parasitic preacher bites the dust :-)

Shame on cowardly Georgetown University!

Shame on antichrist Obama!

This guy was all over the radio down here Mac and Gaydos found him out and he is a real piece of work

#114.... I've heard portion of his sermon and finds his intention to be noble and genuine....

Advice: take time to pray more and fast occasionally --- for more anointing on the preaching.

the night before (after the sermon is prepared), try praying desperately and persistently: and he will find heavy anointing in the delivery of the message.... and the audience will also feel 'hearing from God'.

Pastor Steve, get off your KJV only high horse. If you want an English Bible closest to Hebrew/Greek manuscript, get NASB.

BTW, I grew up with KJV and now uses NIV a lot, coz it is easier for today's kids to understand the latter....

Obama is going about with fear of offending his godless and liberal supporters: and praises Islam's contribution to America. I call that gutless and ungrateful (to America).

Keep on bitching about Islam and filling up your gas tank. Until you don't use oil or petroleum products, you're still kissing Islamic ass, albeit indirectly.

Shame on cowardly Georgetown University!

It's a backdrop. Get over yourself.

Shame on antichrist Obama!

And start taking the Haldol you're proscribed to.

So he defies the request of the agents and then complains about the results?

"Obama is going about with fear of offending his godless and liberal supporters: and praises Islam's contribution to America. I call that gutless and ungrateful (to America).

abortion lover too...."

Considering the godless portion of the USA is less than 20%, even if we say it's all for Obama, then his base still has to be over 30% god-loving people. Only a moron like you can't figure that out.

Can we abort your posting ability? You seem to get dummer as the days go by. I would love to see one of your sermons, do people shake and wiggle on the floor....I know I would, with laughter!!

LM

"BTW, I grew up with KJV and now uses NIV a lot, coz it is easier for today's kids to understand the latter...."

This makes sense, with the child-like brain you display out here, no wonder you needed a pop-up version of the bible...

LM

If I could make LM shake and wiggle from my sermons, that would be a miracle --- with a praying wife behind him, LM's eyes might open and his dull ears may begin to hear wondrous things.

If I could make LM shake and wiggle from my sermons, that would be a miracle --- with a praying wife behind him, LM's eyes might open and his dull ears may begin to hear wondrous things.

ministrywatch.com

Posted by takitez at 2009-04-22 04:22 PM | Reply

Hey if You are trying to make Me shake and wiggle do I at least get a dinner first??

Larry

If I could make LM shake and wiggle from my sermons, that would be a miracle

Parkinson's disease is your best bet.

with a praying wife behind him, LM's eyes might open and his dull ears may begin to hear wondrous things.

With a girlfriend behind him, Phish before him, and 'shrooms within him, I guarantee his eyes and ears would take in some wondrous things.

I would suggest that takeitez do a little more listening to his betters and a lot less listening to auditory hallucinations, one of the classically definitive signs of schizophrenia.

Neibuhr's sermon help a bit --- am preparing a series on 1 Cor 2:1-5, with emphasis on v 5....

'that your faith should not rest on the sophia/wisdom of men, but the dunamin/power of God'...

The Bible is not anti-intellectual, but that the origin of Christian faith is supernatural. John 1:13 expresses it well.

As for the foolishness in 1 Cor, (moros:moron), the world considers the preaching of the cross 'foolishness', but to God it is the one who hears the gospel and fails to stand on it: Matthew 7:26 (and MT 25:2, etc).

(At GT Univ, Obama covered the name of Jesus and borrowed Jesus' line (sand and rock, Mt 7:24-27) to make his economic point...)

I would suggest that takeitez do a little more listening to his betters and a lot less listening to auditory hallucinations, one of the classically definitive signs of schizophrenia.

"why God made potatoes."

#126 | Posted by ZombieHunter at 2009-04-22 06:00 PM| Reply | Flag: Well duh!

There! That's better!

Haha zatoichi - I didn't think of that purpose... it makes me rethink my stance on the evolution of oranges too.

Six o clock screwdrivers!

"Six o clock screwdrivers!"

Posted by ZombieHunter at 2009-04-22 06:09 PM

AM or PM?

#127 | Posted by Zatoichi

Made me laugh really loud, Zat!

Near fozen Stoli and the REAL Dr Who!
Ah, the seventies!

Thanks, guys!

"evolution of oranges"

Into limes?

frozen, fozen is how it's said after the Stoli

AM or PM?

Either or both will work.

Near fozen Stoli and the REAL Dr Who!
Ah, the seventies!

Oh, and the music! I wasn't even alive then, so if I ever go tripping through time, I will definitely have to make a stop in that decade.

Re #136 | Posted by takitez at 2009-04-22 06:19 PM

She has an incredible voice! There's a guy who sings O Holy Night every Christmas eve at my parents' church and I go just to hear him. That and O Come Emanuel (not Rahm) are my favorite hymns ever.

-dunamin/power of God'

dunimis is the word from which we derive the word, "dynamite".

-but that the origin of Christian faith is supernatural

The use of the term supernatural should not be read as "above natural" as we might think, but as "more natural", as the early writers thought.

-As for the foolishness

You would know more about that than I.

"I wasn't even alive then"

#137 | Posted by ZombieHunter at 2009-04-22 06:21 PM | Reply | Flag: Missed one helluva party

-Oh, and the music!

Yeah, I noticed about 8 or 10 years ago the kids were listening to 70's rock again. My daughter knew who Van Morrison and some other groups were. I was impressed.

Missed one helluva party

I guess my only alternative is to throw another one.

Yeah, I noticed about 8 or 10 years ago the kids were listening to 70's rock again. My daughter knew who Van Morrison and some other groups were. I was impressed.

Emphasis has moved away from quality in a lot of modern "popular" music, so you have to do a bit of digging to find the gems, or go back to the good stuff from years past. I prefer to do both, but yeah, there's a lot of good stuff to be found in the '60's and '70's. Even before that, too. I love to listen to the work of talented musicians.

-I guess my only alternative is to throw another one.

That one was pre-AIDS. I felt like a bed-warmer in college.

z

Recommend some current favs for me. I like the old stuff, but don't know enough of the good knew stuff. From what little I've heard, it's few and far between.

Corky

knew stuff

ok i'm done

or, fully baked, as spud might say

Yeah, its dangerous to call someone 'fool' in self-righteous anger (Mt 5:22).

But God qualifies to call someone fool (aphron, senseless, mindless, Luke 12:20).

Jesus even called the disciples 'fools' (slow mind, slow to apply, different from Moros and aphron) in Luke 24:25.

(did some studies on 'fool' just this morning ... coincidence)

"The Christian religion, Paul declares in effect, is not magic but neither is it wisdom, at least not the "wisdom of this world." The Christian religion must remain to the world, to those who are lost, to superficial intelligences and to complacent sophisticates, foolishness. It seeks to apprehend realities which can be found only when imagination and courage come to the aid of reason, and it unlooses energies of heart and will which reason alone can not contain. It is as foolish as love, as foolish as the cross. While we may wonder whether Paul's rabbinical training and his contact with the mystery religions of the Orient did not tempt him occasionally to read a little more magic into the cross than can be found anywhere in the sublime simplicities of the religion of Jesus, yet at his best the cross was to Paul a symbol and a revelation of a love and of a life whose potency was moral rather than magical, but also spiritual rather than rational. All the paradoxes in which Paul revels in these first chapters of the epistle to the Corinthians emphasize a truth not essentially different from that contained in Jesus' own words, "Except ye be converted and become as little children ye can not enter the Kingdom of God." All the great affirmations upon which the Christian religion is based, and all the vital energies which it develops, must depend for their life upon a simplicity of heart which is not incompatible with the highest intelligence but which a superficial sophistication easily destroys."

from the link above

There's way too much replacing spirituality with "magic" in the pop Christianity you seem to represent.

Thanks for your opinion (1 Cor 2:5).

Acts 17:18 is a background to Corinthians.

#145 | Posted by Corky at 2009-04-22 06:38 PM | Reply | Flag

Phish - jam band
Umphrey's McGee - jam band
Bela Fleck and the Flecktones - bluegrassy jam band
Acoustic All Stars - bluegrassy jam band
Yonder Mountain String Band - bluegrass
String Cheese Incident - jam band
Antibalas Afrobeat Orchestra - Afrobeat (funk/jazz)
Nomo - jazzish
Sound Tribe Sector 9 - electronic
RJD2 - electronic
Niacin - jazzish, fast paced
Leo Kottke and Mike Gordon - very chill, all around good
Northwoods Band - jam band
Aquarium Rescue Unit - jazzy jam band w/ a sick bassist
Wilco
Rodrigo y Gabriela - acoustic, w/ a latin flair
Armik - classical guitar w/ a modern twist
Govi - ditto
Incubus - rock
Red Hot Chili Peppers - funkish rock
Sublime - rock?
Radiohead - mellow, don't know what box to put them in
Medeski, Martin, and Wood - jazz
Galactic - funk/rock
Dark Star Orchestra - Grateful Dead covers (very good ones)
Nickel Creek - acoustic, laid back

That should be a good start. I've got heavier stuff too, but I don't know how heavy you like your music. If you want to see someone abuse a guitar, check out Dragonforce or Yngwie Malmsteen.

I also listen to a bit of ethnic music from random places, and if you like any of that sort of stuff (celtic, latin, sufi devotional music, central asian throat singing, etc...) I might have a bands or two for you also.

I would highly recommend Umphrey's McGee and Bela Fleck and the Flecktones. They're bands full of virtuosos. UM is like yes, zeppelin, and dream theater all rolled together into one fattie. The flecktones are acoustic and instrumental, but they're brilliant. And relaxing.

Thanks to both ZZ's!!!

I recognize some of those, Zombie, but will check out the rest.

You guys should do the music thread one Friday.,

You guys should do the music thread one Friday.

Yeah, I'd like to do that sometime. If you've got any recommendations, I'm all ears. I know most of the big names from the '70's but I love to stumble across obscure bits of brilliance. Funk, rock, jazz, jammin, I like it all.

Zombie, listen to these two pretty ladies doing ethnic music (first video in site): exotic!

They do harmonize nicely - it sort of sounds like something that I heard at a Diwali celebration once. I generally listen more to instrumental music since I can't sing for crap. This is from New Delhi? I tell you what, a sitar and a tabla can keep me mesmerized. When you go there, I hope you have the opportunity to listen to a lot of music.

And speaking of vocal harmony, I loved Simon and Garfunkel. If you have an argument for intelligent design, it is that those two were made to sing together. Their voices are simply amazing!

BeauSoleil- Dance Pavilion Richmond Folk Fest 2008

"If I could make LM shake and wiggle from my sermons, that would be a miracle --- with a praying wife behind him, LM's eyes might open and his dull ears may begin to hear wondrous things."

I am should I would shake and wiggle, but it ould be with laughter as I said before.

My vision is 20/14 which is damn good, and I have to admit my hearing is not so great. Too many bad ass concerts in my youth. Zombie, I have one exactly as you have mentioned, saw phish at red rocks in 94 and Trey rocked it, still absoluely love hearing "Fee" and "Farmhouse" live. Since I am a bit older, I do prefer the Dead...."Scarlet Begonias" and "China Doll" incredible live. I have to give you props for Rodrigo y Gabriela...."tamacun" and "diablo rojo" are amazing. Even if it took them to leave mexico t Ireland to get the acclaim they deserve.

A couple of bands I would add to your list

My morning jacket
chevelle
deftones
chromeo
carolina liar
The Darkness
Dierks Benltey
lil wayne
Postal Service
G-Love and special sauce
Tribe called quest
Hard Fi
Yeah Yeah Yeahs
karnivool
mindless self indulgence
Placebo
muse
neko case
of montreal
phoenix
anberlin

just to through out a few...

LM

Increasing my indie quotient (and other kinds), I see.

Have you heard the Olivia Tremor Control?

Nice, corky. I'll add BeauSoleil to my list of music to check out. I like this kind of stuff. This is real "country music" - music that is ethnically American. Same goes for old school blues.

"I'll add BeauSoleil to my list of music to check out"

Anybody remember the movie "Belizare the Cajun"? (Not sure about the spelling).

"Have you heard the Olivia Tremor Control?"

I have not, but checked out the myspace......radiohead head meets america with a lil fatboy slim....

LM

Sorry, posted this on wrong thread, if you like OTC, check out PlayRadioPlay.....this is one 17 year ol boy who amazes me that he does this. Probably cuz I have zero musical ability, can't sing and can't play an instrument....oh well.

LM

This whiny pussy pastor said he "didn't do anything wrong."

How about starting with this:

Anderson said agents stopped him on his way back to the Valley from San Diego. The agents asked him where he was going and if he was a U.S. citizen. Anderson said he wasn't answering any of their questions and told them he wanted to go home.

Everytime you cross over from another state (or from Canada or Mexico into the U.S.) and need to pass through an inspection point you stop your car and the border agent usually asks if you have any fruits (which might harbor insects damaging to the agriculture) or other items in our possession -- and yes, also asked your destination -- you answer the agent's questions.

Happy Friday to you, too, Rexy.

Check out thru about #159 when you get a chance.

Will do

Hahahaha, we are on the wrong thread.....