Drudge Retort: Red Meat for Yellow Dogs
Wednesday, April 15, 2009

A new Gallup Poll finds 48% of Americans saying the amount of federal income taxes they pay is "about right," with 46% saying "too high" -- one of the most positive assessments Gallup has measured since 1956. Typically, a majority of Americans say their taxes are too high, and relatively few say their taxes are too low.

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The Republicans just can't seem to get on the right side these days.

I am going to miss them.

Enjoy your TEA party 29%ers.

I'll be toasting Obama with an Ale!

"I'll be toasting Obama with an Ale!"

Guess you gotta stay drunk to think he is a decent human being.

Duh - sounds about right? How many Dem homeboy welfare leeches pay income taxes? 0.

A new Gallup Poll finds 48% of Americans saying the amount of federal income taxes they pay is "about right,"

Sounds about right....whats the +-5percent?

"roughly 121 million Americans or 41 percent of the U.S. population will be completely outside the federal income tax system in 2006."
www.taxfoundation.org

I love the angst you folks have towards reality!!!!

"I love the angst you folks have towards reality!!!!"

I love they way you wholeheartedly buy into what you are told you should believe reality is.

Feel free to post threads Salamy.

You can argue the facts that I post all that you want, but you will have to excuse my sympathetic laughter.

It is what it is.

Correct me if I'm wrong but weren't you up in arms about BL2's comment about the bias of CNN? Is your reality so controlled that you fail to even humor the possibility of your sides partisanship?

That was just this morning, i don't feel the need to look back at your past at your comments. I don't think i want to sacrifice that many brain cells.

So what? It's not like the tax rate is determined by the public.

How many of that 48% don't pay any income taxes? This is more statistics not telling the whole story...

Sounds about right....whats the +-5percent?

"roughly 121 million Americans or 41 percent of the U.S. population will be completely outside the federal income tax system in 2006."
www.taxfoundation.org

#4 | Posted by AndreaMackris

Thanks for the link! It was very interesting.

What's kind of ironic is, that if you look at Table 2 -- Residents of Some States are More Likely to Pay Zero Federal Income Tax than Others (2006 Estimate)

and then sort it by "Rank by Percentage of "Non-Payers""... the top 10 states with the most non-payers are also amongst the most Republican in the US.

Correct me if I'm wrong but weren't you up in arms about BL2's comment about the bias of CNN? Is your reality so controlled that you fail to even humor the possibility of your sides partisanship?

I am pretty sure tht Gallup is a pretty respected poll by most Americans. If your defense of these numbers is that Gallup is biased, well, we don't have anything to discuss.

I didn't post a MSNBC poll. That would be akin to what you are talking about Sally.

www.taxfoundation.org

#4 | Posted by AndreaMackris

Thanks for the link! It was very interesting.

What's kind of ironic is, that if you look at Table 2 -- Residents of Some States are More Likely to Pay Zero Federal Income Tax than Others (2006 Estimate)

and then sort it by "Rank by Percentage of "Non-Payers""... the top 10 states with the most non-payers are also amongst the most Republican in the US.

What was that Katie? Could you repeat that for the class plese?

Wow.. That's a whole lot of idiots that are too stupid to realize they deserve better.

Like? Tolerate and Like are a far stretch apart.

So the majority of those that consider themselves Republicans and Independents think their taxes are too high while Dems think them to be just right. While they were willing to show the break down on what each group thought, I think it's interesting they didn't appear to think it important to show the break down on how many consider themselves and Rebpublican, Independent or Democrat. Could that be because they don't want people to know that they had to call more Democrats to get the number up that high?

I don't think Americans would be so tolerant if they had to write monthly checks for all their taxes. Much is hidden from them in their statements, and withdrawal makes it hardly noticeable. Sadly, it's something they've gotten used to.

In actuality, Americans work about six months a year for the State. And that doesn't count the debt government has accumulated in their name which adds up to more than the GNP for the entire world. Let's do the math.
Federal I.O.U.s = $70 trillion or 70 x 10^12
Population = 350 million or 3.5 x 10^6
That comes to $200,000 for every man, woman and child.

History tells us government NEVER pays down their debt. Even if they wanted to, this has gone to impossible excess. This won't have a happy ending.

You can argue the facts that I post all that you want, but you will have to excuse my sympathetic laughter.

Correction:
Federal I.O.U.s = $70 trillion or 70 x 10^12
Population = 350 million or 350 x 10^6
That comes to $200,000 for every man, woman and child.

It really is a bitch! Those of us drawing unemployment, with nothing being held out for STATE taxes, will be hit between the eyes NEXT YEAR, whether or not we're employed by then, for taxes owed on that Unemployment money! If you are saying it's our fault, try drawing at 65 - 70% of previous salary, and setting aside for taxes - it's not possible!

Who said Xmas comes only once a year? Especially for these STATES (and Feds)! Part of this has already hit this year, the rest will next! It'll be one hell of a mess, considering those states are also hard pressed for funds!

But, what the hell, let's keep blaming those pesky Republicans, after all, they've been effectively out of power for 'ONLY' THREE years now!

That'll give us another Seven 'til people just won't believe us anymore, right??

"How many Dem homeboy welfare leeches pay income taxes? "

You can count me as number 1 then GA. My mother accepted welfare and food stamps while raising my brother. That was in between her working nights so she could be home with us in the evening after we spent the day at public school.

So yeah, I spent a number of years of my life as a leech as you describe. Now between what I and my bro pay in taxes the Fed has made a pretty hefty return on their investment in us leeches.

Happy Teabagging day.

Here's the perspective from an employer of about 30 people. Very good people, many of whom have been with me for nearly 20 years, and who mean a great deal to me not only professionally but personally.

Most employees have no clue about what taxes they pay. I have folks come in and tell me how happy they were that they owed no taxes this year and were getting money back. I always try to explain that they've already paid the taxes, and that they're getting a refund of an overpayment.

I also try to explain, although frankly most aren't interested, that the way that I look at what we pay them includes what I pay for social security, workers comp, disability, and insurance on top of they consider their pay, not to mention the considerable accounting fees I pay yearly just to stay on top of the myriad of state and federal tax laws and regulations, not only related to employee compensation, but profits. (or losses)

The quickest way to foment a popular tax revolt would be to eliminate payroll deductions altogether, and let everyone figure out and pay their taxes directly. That 11% figure would balloon into the 90's in no time with people of all income levels furious at the federal (and in some cases state) tax codes.

Ignorance is bliss I guess.. and we have a plethora of it where taxes are concerned. And it gives the federal government, dems and repubs, cover for stupid spending, gamesmanship, and demagoguery.

The Fair Tax.. everyone should support it.. liberal or conservative.. it's time.

History tells us government NEVER pays down their debt. Even if they wanted to, this has gone to impossible excess. This won't have a happy ending.

Very true.. The general trend has been for government and spending to increase since the inception of our country. There is no reason to think that will change, particularly given the fact that so many Americans love it. The ending will be much like Rome's...

The Republicans just can't seem to get on the right side these days.
I am going to miss them.
Enjoy your TEA party 29%ers.
I'll be toasting Obama with an Ale!

#1 | Posted by Manypaths at

ah so here you have run off to...

its not the tax rate at the moment neccesarily

but its the tax rate that we are heading too and thats not even including the superinflation heading our way.

#18 | Posted by Manypaths

You will have to excuse my unsympathetic laughter at the voting majority when this collapses.

I did the math, and after it is all said and done I paid ~6%. Funny that just does not seem that bad.

I did the math, and after it is all said and done I paid ~6%. Funny that just does not seem that bad.

You'd better get a new calculator, that's nonsense.

And include hidden taxes in there..

Are you sure you actually have a job?

"The Fair Tax.. everyone should support it.. liberal or conservative.. it's time."

Riiight. If the true percentage of tax necessary to replace the current income tax were actually presented with the info about the so called Fair TAx virtually no one except the wealth would support it. For them it would be a tax cut for everyone else a big tax increase.

I do love my 20% plus Federal tax rate!! I do I do I do I do!

Please, Sir, can I pay more?

oh danni

we can always count on you to prefer to soak the rich..
its comforting...in a weird way...to always read that from you.

my worry on any change like that is 'unintended consequences' that dems are famous for but republicans can come with as well being politicians.

but BECK yesterday printed out the tax code and they stopped at 47,ooo pages with 20,000 more pages to go....a little much dont you think???

SHHHHHH DANNI,

You are not allowed to say the emperor has no clothes!!! Sure the Fair Tax is fair only to the top 2% of taxpayers. Everyone else gets porked. Just don't tell anyone or the Huckadudes will really get pissed off.

I know when I go for a beer at the local bar, or check out books at the library, go out to eat, shoot pool with friends, and am out pretty much, well, everywhere, EVERYONE just goes on and on about how much they LOVE their taxes. Riiight!

Why in the hell would anyone believe any of this & who the hell are they asking that would say "cool"? If this isn't bullshit then I suppose years of public school dumbing down & the cradle to the grave nanny state supported by the left has finally reached one of it's primary goals of lowering EVERYONE'S fucking standards & expectations.

Thanks for nothing!

How many of them actualy paid taxes? If you get back more than you pay in every year you should be happy.

Afkabibble2,

Did you know that Glen Beck is actually just an festering carbuncle on Sean Hannity's left buttock? And you are kissing up to this thing?


How many of them actualy paid taxes? If you get back more than you pay in every year you should be happy.

#33 | Posted by Sniper

"... the top 10 states with the most non-payers are also amongst the most Republican in the US."

You'll have to ask a Republican.

"How many of them actualy paid taxes? If you get back more than you pay in every year you should be happy"
#33 | Posted by Sniper

DING DING! We have a winner & someone who gets it! If by "tax rate" they mean zero and their refund check of redistributed wealth from actual tax payers then I'm sure they're thrilled! Who wouldn't be?

From each according to his abilities, to each", oh what's the point? It's not like they've ever fucking read it & woudn't understand it if they did most likely or worse, agree!!

If the true percentage of tax necessary to replace the current income tax were actually presented with the info about the so called Fair TAx

You absolutely cannot back that up. Can you? Run to the Huffington Post or Daily Kos and pull of some opinions, but not one of them will have any facts.

That's the big lie, as vague as it may be, by those that like the complicated nonsense we call a tax code now.

And why would anyone like the one we have now? well, how about because NO ONE can understand it.. and that gives cover to bureaucrats and elected scoundrels to take money before we figure out they took it, and spend it stupidly with no accountability.

Why would neo-liberals like it? Because it keeps power in the hands of the almighty state.. the God of liberals.. the all knowing merciful state..

"... the top 10 states with the most non-payers are also amongst the most Republican in the US."
You'll have to ask a Republican"

#35 | Posted by Manypaths

OK, so if the folks are taking advantage of the do less, get more, tax system are Republicans, it's bad? That about it?

So? All you've proven is what we already knew! It's not so much about the issue of screwing the government or the tax payer out of something so much as it is what lever they pull in November? Hypocrite!

You'll have to ask a Republican.

#35 | Posted by Manypaths

you have to be a special kind of retard to drag that useless crap around with you.

Here you Go Party of Trickle Down and Tea Bagging...
The truth...

www.cnn.com

Read on this...

Just shows what a Panic the Repubs are in, that they would resort to this. Trying to manufacture a Rebellion. What to expect from the Party that invented "Wag the Dog"...

Advice: Shut your Pie Holes, Shut your Whinning, Pay your Taxes like the rest of us...

wasn't the income tax presented to the public as a "temporary" tax during wartime?

I wonder what Gallup's poll results would be if they asked, "Do you support raising taxes on everyone making more money than you?"

I know what Democrat Nation would say.

"the top 10 states with the most non-payers are also amongst the most Republican in the US."

You'll have to ask a Republican."

people-press.org

43 percent of low income(under 20k) call themselves dems, 18 repubs. Kinda skews your vision of "reality."

#40 | Posted by earthmuse

"Just shows what a Panic the Repubs are in, that they would resort to this. Trying to manufacture a Rebellion. What to expect from the Party that invented "Wag the Dog"..."

I think both parties underestimate the anger & the just plain fucking fed up feelings of the American people in general so the Repubs don't have a corner on that market. Further, dems play to the least common denominator, the "I want it & I want it now" crowd who has a much shorter attention span & fuse for results so be careful what you wish for.

"Advice: Shut your Pie Holes, Shut your Whinning, Pay your Taxes like the rest of us..."

"OR.......Come work for me in my cabinet."

Sincerely,
President Obama

"the top 10 states with the most non-payers are also amongst the most Republican in the US."

You'll have to ask a Republican."

people-press.org

43 percent of low income(under 20k) call themselves dems, 18 repubs. Kinda skews your vision of "reality."

Oh, you would like to discuss Low Income earners Sally?

Maybe you could start a thread about that to allow this thread to stay on target which invovles Paying Taxes.

Do you not know what the difference is Sally? I could explain it to you but something tells me that it is going to take a long fucking time if you are this confused out of the gate.

Oh and did you see that in terms of people that don't pay taxes that the righties in here are asking about that the top 10 states with the most non-payers are also amongst the most Republican in the US."

Yeah!

Those numbers sound about right. 40% of the working population pay no taxes at all and some even make a profit from the government. Those people (most likely a good percentages of the liberals here) are have no problem seeing this trend continue as they demand more and more "free stuff" from the government. Not to worry, we age getting to the point when no one will lend us any more money (thank god) and the government won't have anymore sources of revenue because all our business activity has been bilked out of existence. Anyone who can't see what's coming is in denial, too scare to contemplate it or just plain stupid. Stop pointing fingers and admit we can't borrow and spend out way out of this mess!

The Tea party folks are trying so sound the alarm which will largely be ignored by the WH and Congress who are steering us into financial chaos..

Obama is the absolute wrong man for this job. Of all the candidates, Mitt Romney was our best chance to start crawling out of the hole a lot of Americans dug us into. Enjoy your socialism while it last.

I would love to here one of you liberals comment on this post. Pretty please!

"Oh and did you see that in terms of people that don't pay taxes that the righties in here are asking about that the top 10 states with the most non-payers are also amongst the most Republican in the US.""

Ahh so i see, red states are populated by nothing but repubs, thank you for pointing that out. Sorry buddy but the agriculture states do in fact have dems, and statistically you are more than twice as likely to be a dem if you make under 20k. Do you need me to go slower?

Poor people vote for more money, regardless of who it hurts or the long term consequences. Which does explain their leanings toward socialism,which by the way is politically left so where does the leave you hypothesis?

Those numbers sound about right. 40% of the working population pay no taxes at all and some even make a profit from the government. Those people (most likely a good percentages of the liberals here)

See Sally, you idiots on the right THINK incorrectly even AFTER being provided the facts.

It's why I laugh at you.

Ok, one of the reasons.

Let's see: the lower 79% of workers pay only 18.5% of federal taxes. en.wikipedia.org

But only 48% say this is about right. So many people who pay little tax think even that is too much. This poll must have included democrat cabinet appointees.

The top 20% of earners pay over 80% of federal taxes.

How much is their "fair" share Obamaites?

""... the top 10 states with the most non-payers are also amongst the most Republican in the US.
......#11 | Posted by katieberry

......Joe the Plumber rednecks, who get all crancked up by Rush......

......but in reality, live at the bottom, and vote against their own best interest.......

......this is why the Repubs are big on guns & abortion, keep the redneck masses onboard to vote against themselves......

.....the backroom boys must laugh themselves silly......

wasn't the income tax presented to the public as a "temporary" tax during wartime?

The original income tax was written into law in 1862 by none other than Abraham Lincoln in order to finance the War between the States.

Only people who made 800 dollars a year or more (roughly 1% of the population at that time) were affected.

Ultimately Lincoln ended up having to borrow from foreign lenders to finance the Civil War.

And yes, it was supposed to be temporary.

And it was... kinda.

But by the 1890's the move to bring back the income tax in order to redistribute wealth away from the robber barons of that time returned.

By 1894 the pro-tax movement succeeded in passing a 2% tax on all personal and corporate net income over 4,000 dollars.

The rich, of course, fought back and by 1895 that tax law was declared "unconstitutional" despite the fact that the constitution allows fer taxation "to pay the debts and provide for the common welfare of the United States".

The left liked the idea of a progressive tax and the right, of course, opposed it.

By 1908 outgoing president Teddy Roosevelt broke with his party by supporting both an income tax and an inheritance tax but he could not sign either into law.

Taft, elected in 1908 in a pro-tax fervor wrote the 16th ammendment into law making personal income tax definitively and specifically consitutional.

By 1913 26 states had ratified the 16th ammendment and by October of that year POTUS Woody Wilson signed the first modern income tax bill into law.

The tax code was simple in 1913 (16 pages). A 1% tax on all income over 3,000 for a single person and 4,000 for a married person with a "super tax" of 6% fer people making over 500,000 a year.

This tax was popular with almost everyone cos almost no one had to pay it.

America's entry into WWI in 1917 changed everything. The federal budget went from 1 billion in 1916 to 19 billion by 1919.

Now the majority of the country was paying taxes most fer the first time ever.

The IRS had 4,000 workers in 1913 and by 1921 had 21,300.

The top tax rate by this point had mushroomed with people making over a million a year paying a heady 77%.

Governmental spending went up as their income from the new tax system blossomed from 344 million before the war to 5.4 billion after the war.

And yes there was talk that the tax was supposed to be a temporary war time measure but after the war they merely cut the tax rate five times without eliminating it.

In the dirty thirties when people were mostly broke it declined again.

Ecce WWII.

In 1940 tax income to the government was 9.6 billion and by 1945 it was 95 billion.

The IRS doubles in size in terms of employees from 1941 to 1945.

Almost everybody paid taxes by this point and it was then that the government got the idea of withholding payroll taxes so they wouldn't have to wait till the end of the year to get paid.

Today the IRS are the worlds largest law enforcemnent agency with moe than 115,000 employees.

The once 16 page tax code has turned into a behemouth 19,000 pages that is barely understood even by the people who write it.

Temporary?

Try certain.

Death and taxes.

Be Well.

The top 20% of earners pay over 80% of federal taxes.

How much is their "fair" share Obamaites?

Yer numbers are farkied.

Those figures reflect only income tax, not payroll tax and tax you pay everytime you buy something.

The rich are getting richer, the poor are getting poorer and the middle clas is getting squeezed outta existance as FreddyK continues to vote against his own economic self interests and cheer on those who are screwing him over.

The propaganda runs deep with this one.

Be Well.

Three words:

National Sales Tax

"The top 20% of earners pay over 80% of federal taxes."

And rightly so.

"The wealthiest 1 percent of families owns roughly 34.3% of the nation's net worth, the top 10% of families owns over 71%, and the bottom 40% of the population owns way less than 1%."

www.faculty.fairfield.edu

"
Three words:

National Sales Tax"

Most regressive, unfair tax system possible.
The poor would pay on 100% of earnings while the rich would pay on a tiny fraction of theirs.

If you want to further concentrate the wealth into the hands of the few then "Fair Tax", "Sales Tax" etc. are you best bets to do it.

"And rightly so."

#54 | Posted by danni

You have the same attitude as a drug addict who robs a 7-11 instead of a homeless guy.

"That's were the money is"

"Yer numbers are farkied."

#52 | Posted by dethspud

You can look at the link. They include all federal taxes paid including SS.

A poor person in this country is richer than the richest man from 200 year ago.

The rich are getting richer but the poor are getting richer too.

We all know that the gallup poll is nothing more than a bunch useless fools working toward the destruction of America. The whole damned bunch has been drinking the Fool-Ade too long. they are starting believe their own lies.

Yous lefties buy into the lies so easy.

National Sales Tax
#53 | Posted by ZOT

Suckers fall for that one all the time. They'll promise to eliminate the income tax if you support a national sales tax. Then when they get the sales tax, you'll still have the income tax.

I guess that 48% should thank Pres Bush as they are still paying the rates he pushed through. I wonder how they will feel when next year the Dems let the rates expire and they will have to pay more?

The rich are getting richer but the poor are getting richer too.

Not when you factor the real COLA rate into the equation.

/The bullshit equation they use now in order to make themselves look better aint exactly keyed into reality.

Real wages have been declining steadily since the 70s.

Parts of the US are beginning to resemble the third world.

Open yer eyes.

Be Well.


We all know that the gallup poll is nothing more than a bunch useless fools working toward the destruction of America. The whole damned bunch has been drinking the Fool-Ade too long. they are starting believe their own lies.

Yous lefties buy into the lies so easy.

#59 | Posted by rightnut

LOVE IT!!!!!

Republicans are going to have to change the name of their party to the YeahButs Party before this is all over.

Obama-been-lie'n and his posse don't pay their taxes, so I guess they like the percentage the slaves pay just fine.

Obama and the Ruling Class

David Macaray
Counterpunch
April 2, 2009

"We don't pay taxes. Only the little people pay taxes."
- Leona Helmsley
The list of Obama nominees not to have paid their taxes continues to grow. The latest confessor is Kathleen Sebelius, governor of Kansas, former state representative, former insurance honcho, and Obama's nominee for Secretary of Health and Human Services (HHS). On March 31, it was revealed that Sebelius had "forgotten" to pay almost $8,000 in taxes. Oops.
Earlier, Tom Daschleformer South Dakota senator, former Senate Majority Leader, Obama's original choice for HHS Secretary, and a man generally regarded as the one person in the country capable of ushering in a national health care planturned out to owe so much in unpaid taxes he was forced to withdraw.

Daschle, a corporate lobbyist (despite how hard they tried to "spin" his position, when you make $2 million in one year from industry fees, that's what you are, a lobbyist) owed more than $128,000 in unpaid taxes. His withdrawal was a stunning disappointment to the administration.

During confirmation proceedings, Timothy Geithner, our Secretary of the Treasury, was forced to go on national television and apologize for not having paid over $34,000 in taxes. The man who, as Treasury Secretary, would be the titular head of the Internal Revenue Service apparently didn't know how to fill out his tax form.

Nancy Killefer, Obama's nominee for Chief Performance Officer, also had to withdraw due to tax problems. She threw in the towel with the investigation barely underway, choosing to nip it in the bud before too much was revealed. No thanks, she said. You can keep your appointment and I'll keep my privacy. Adios.

And Ron Kirk, Obama's choice for U.S. Trade Rep, was shown to owe $10,000 in back taxes, which he agreed to pay only after it was made clear that his appointment to a big-time government position was contingent upon repayment. Makes you wonder how amenable he and the others would have been to making restitution had their appointments not hung in the balance.
www.infowars.com

I wonder how they will feel when Obama lets Bush's tax cuts expire and everyone's taxes will increase 18% or 5% of your gross.

EU Leader Says Obama's Economic Policies Are Road to Hell'
Thursday, March 26, 2009
By Fred Lucas, Staff Writer
www.cnsnews.com

Bush never cut my takes. I'm not rich.

Obama cut my taxes. Yours too probably, but you don't want to be bothered by any facts.

You just want to look like a fucking moron and bitch about somethings that doesn't affect you.

Carry on. Some of us are enjoying the hell out of all of this.

Sure people want to pay less taxes. But what services and benefits are they willing to do without? I'm a veteran and feel that vets deserve a good benefits package, especially with regard to healthcare. It also pisses me off every time I see vet organizations going back to the public for more stuff. How much do we cut defense, road construction, education, fire and police services, medicare and medicaid? Every time the gov talks about some kind of cut, there is a big public outcry.

I wonder how they will feel when Obama lets Bush's tax cuts expire and everyone's taxes will increase 18% or 5% of your gross.

Well, thank God! I just paid 6% so I will actually get a cut when bush's expires.

Caught in the Crossfire: The False Left-Right Paradigm and the Deception of the American People

By Kevin Newsom
propagandamatrix.com
www.prisonplanet.com

Don't call me rightie, Lefty....Don't call me Lefty, Rightie...

I just think it is so funny that Republican blowhards, who get their propaganda spoon-fed to them by Rush and FoxNews, think they know what they are talking about on these issues.

That might be the funniest part of all this.

Morons who think they have a clue because they heard Sean or Rush say it. (You can spot these fools from a mile away as soon as they open their mouths.)

It must be some defense mechanism to make up for their low self-esteem.

Jeffndenmark, you are a fucking idiot that really ought to get a life of his own. Your pathetic attempt to live vicariously through the citizens of a successful country is a little tiring, but humorous nonetheless!

Better?

Obama's Nightmare "Green Agenda" Officially Unveiled

January 22nd, 2009

Obama

By Paul Joseph Watson~Prison Planet

President Barack Obama's plan to implement a cap-and-trade program that would cut carbon dioxide emissions by 80 per cent and also sink an already battered U.S. economy into a new great depression has officially been announced on the White House.gov website.

However, the secondary phase of the agenda that would counter-balance such a move, the creation of millions of "green" stasi government jobs, has also been announced.

According to the outline for the Obama-Biden comprehensive New Energy for America plan, the new administration will "Implement an economy-wide cap-and-trade program to reduce greenhouse gas emissions 80 percent by 2050."

The proposal has its roots in the defeated 2007 Lieberman/Warner bill, "America's Climate Security Act," which proposed a cap and trade system to reduce carbon emissions 70 per cent by 2050.

If such a program was to be fully implemented, the consequences for the American economy would be devastating.

The 2007 bill was rejected for a very good reason - its passage would have created economic conditions comparable to a new Great Depression and sunk America to near third world status.

The Environmental Protection Agency's economic analysis of the bill forecast that a whopping $2.9 trillion would be shaved off the economy by the year 2050 if the legislation was enacted. It would also reduce GDP by 6.9 percent - a figure comparable with the economic meltdown of 1929 and 1930, and millions of jobs would have been lost within the first 10 years of its passage.

As JunkScience.com's Steven Milloy highlights, "For more perspective, consider that during 1929 and 1930, the first two years of the Great Depression, GDP declined by 8.6 percent and 6.4 percent, respectively."
blog.puppetgov.com

Tax Propaganda from way back

Personal attack is a sure sign of someone without a leg to stand on in an argument.
Hehehe!
Obaaaawmah! Obamnoid sheeple are dumber than a box of rocks.

MANYPATHS: I have not seen any tax cuts from Obama. The few extra dollars you just started 'getting' iin your paycheck is not a tax cut and you will pay taxes on it next year.

"See Sally, you idiots on the right THINK incorrectly even AFTER being provided the facts."

Like the facts that support me, provided by a reputable poll on demographics?
Or the "facts" you allude to based on what you are told to think?

Get back to me when you have developed the ability to think on a level that does not require you to regurgitate you spoon fed ideas as it only betrays you inability to formulate you own cognitive thought.

Eddie,
You've been watching Alex Jones TV, haven't you?
You must be with Al qaeda ....

MSGT,

Did you not see the tax break he has offered first time home owners?

I received a $400 tax break that starts in June. (You can't bitch that it is only 13 bucks per week and tell me the cut doesn't exist.)

My taxes are on schedule to go down and down they will go.

Hence why I am not some dumb fucker with a sign in D.C. right now as I wasn't fooled by any of the FoxNews talk.

I understand that my taxes are going down. Others just don't. They react with fear because they are told to do so.

It's very funny from my perspective.

Turn off Fox and join the reality with the rest of us.

He calls himself Manypaths, because he's a lost sheeple that can't find his way.

It was probably his great great grandfather that trade Manhattan for a string of glass beads.

"Americans like their income tax rate"

YAH, Ill betthet do! 40% don't pay federal income taxes so why wouldn't they like their tax rate you idiot.

You must write for the CLOWN REPORT.

Duh - sounds about right? How many Dem homeboy welfare leeches pay income taxes? 0.

#3 | Posted by Greatamerican at 2009-04-15 12:55 PM | Reply | Flag:

It's probably close or equal to the number of Repub trailer-trash welfare leeches paying no income tax.

The Alex Jones Radio Show: Barack Obama and the lying lies he lies about.
www.youtube.com

I love you little irrelevant righties.

"Here is the data."

The data isn't right because it doesn't align with my skewed vision of reality that I get from FoxNews?

"Oh."

"right now as I wasn't fooled by any of the FoxNews talk."

You just gotta love this mentality.

"Im right because i'm told by my sources i am, and my sources are better then yous because they tell me so"

Sorry buddy, but no "news" or opinion source is the holy grail, opposing viewpoints are opposing viewpoints. And a hint for the future, close mindedness in not a respectable attribute.

I'm not the one calling Gallup biased. That's the folks on your team buddy.

Bush never cut my takes. I'm not rich.

Obama cut my taxes. Yours too probably, but you don't want to be bothered by any facts.

You just want to look like a fucking moron and bitch about somethings that doesn't affect you.

Carry on. Some of us are enjoying the hell out of all of this.

#68 | Posted by Manypaths

He didn't have to cut your taxes because you don't pay any to begin with. If your taxes didn't get cut then you don't pay them. All the left can say is that Bush cut taxes for the rich and that's it. They never mention the taxes that were cut for the not so rich. If you believe a liberal you think that the only people who got a tax cut in this country are millionaires.

Manypaths believes that polls are facts. That's his first problem. Polls are estimates, many, they are not factual. You keep retorting about how people can't handle the "facts" that you've posted, but you haven't posted any.

Everlong,

Aren't you the one who accused me of using poll numbers while discussing a thread on poll numbers the other day?

Yeah..............

He didn't have to cut your taxes because you don't pay any to begin with.

Now even my checkbook knows that you are an idiot.

Why do you insist on being such a fool?

Time to close up the office and go toast Obama for a job well done with a great Ale.

Oh, and laugh at anyone carrying a tea bag.

So by 2% which is in the margin of error Many claims victory?

I wish taxes were higher so I could receive more entitlements

Most Americans are coming to the realization that a government, especially in a country as big as the US, can't function effectively without sufficient revenue. And that they are willing to foot their share of the bill as long as spending waste is diminished or eliminated. They are slowly but surely coming to grips with the reality that "death and taxes are inevitable", not because of the IRS, but because a functioning society requires them. And with the realization that taxes create the type of environment which will allow them to prosper.

I think the biggest problem most Americans have is the agony of doing a tax return, and that's why they most resent taxes.

I think the biggest complainers about taxes are those who don't understand the function of taxes in a society, followed by those who don't know how to play the "tax game", followed by those who complain about the world cheating them at every turn.

What is most unfortunate is that the focus re taxes should be on how they are spent which will allow for a good analysis of how much taxation is really required. Instead, the concept that the government is "robbing" them leaves such people out of the real debate. The absolutely dumbest thing Reagan said, and the most destructive, was that government is part of the problem, not part of the solution.

Hell, if I wasn't paying taxes I would be happy with my rate as well. I would like to see their data base that they are polling. What is the income range? Do these people own a business? How many are receiving some form of public assistance?

I think the biggest problem most Americans have is the agony of doing a tax return, and that's why they most resent taxes.

Maybe you should stop trying to think.. Do you really think that waste has been diminished? It is at an all-time high at all levels of government and about to get a lot worse. You can't cut taxes and spend trillions of dollars that we don't even have and you have to be borderline retarded if you don't get that. There is so much room for cutting the size of government, starting with our overseas empire that would allow for meaningful tax cuts.

Government does not run on logic.

Government is run by congress.

I have an S-Corp. This was my first year (half year actually).

Just for the privilege of having a company, business, LLC, partnership, Corporation and S-corp--in the state of California--I had to pay $800.00 for the State Estimated Taxes that I will pay this year in 2009.

I had to mail this check today.

It is supposed to be a credit for actual taxes paid to the State in 2009--but now I hear from another source that we will never see the money even if I were to zero out.

But I will have to pay another $800.00 in 2010.

I am a small business. This is crapola.

The amount of State tax I paid for 2008 was $136.00.

That does not include the sales tax at 8.75% in San Diego. Some cities are at 10%.

Taxes are a big deal and the trillions in the spending are ridiculous.

Taxes are money transfers with the government serving as the conduit. Since our politicians are so corrupt, they sell out their constituents for a mess of pottage. Lobbying for tax breaks and exemptions returned $250 to the persons buying off politicians for each $1 paid to the craven lobbyists and the corrupt thieves holding political office, who vote for these programs. They are not "criminal" since the politicians have "decriminalized" their form of theft.

And how do these worthies get away with it? Well, they steal other money and provide it to their flunkies, who are idlers getting something for nothing.

What has happened to California? Gosh, could the problem be attributable to the geometric increase in the number of "students," more than half of whom are illegal aliens or their offspring? California with its imported dummies is going to hell in a handbasket. Those who love to live in a third world environment need not wait. Go to California. The U.S. has not yet fully adopted policies to disenfranchise these poor, which is necessary for the system to survive. Otherwise, the lack of productivity will destroy it.

If California could purge itself of browns and blacks, it could again become very prosperous. There are consequences for entertaining fictions regarding the maintenance of illegal immigrants being a "plus" for California. Ideology is the precursor to insanity, or vice versa.

People working are in indentured servitude z they are compelled to give the fruits of their labors to their "polimasters."

When push comes to shove, there won't be stolen labor sufficient to maintain the system. Those chortling may indeed be the first to go down, when the system crashes.

When push comes to shove, there won't be stolen labor sufficient to maintain the system. Those chortling may indeed be the first to go down, when the system crashes.

I cant wait to see how americans feel about their tax rates 4 years from now! talk about fucked! I also cant believe people thing Obama is not going to raise taxes on anyone making under 250k. what ever you all are smoking I want some. must be some strong shit!

"Hell, if I wasn't paying taxes I would be happy with my rate as well. I would like to see their data base that they are polling. What is the income range? Do these people own a business? How many are receiving some form of public assistance?"

finally someone who understand how it really works.
dems dont mind raising taxes because they do not fucking pay them!

"I received a $400 tax break that starts in June. (You can't bitch that it is only 13 bucks per week and tell me the cut doesn't exist.)"

WOW are you in for a wake up call! I actually feel sorry for you...

How much do you EARN per year, Jay? If you earn less than around $200,000 per year, you're getting a tax cut.

I also cant believe people thing Obama is not going to raise taxes on anyone making under 250k. what ever you all are smoking I want some. must be some strong shit!

#101 | Posted by jaybay555 at 2009-04-16 12:46 AM | Reply | Flag:

He'll only do that AFTER he takes your guns away, which also something you are convinced he is "going to" do. Gosh, with all the things Obama is allegedly "going to" do, I'm surprised you aren't comparing him to Hitler...

How much do you EARN per year, Jay? If you earn less than around $200,000 per year, you're getting a tax cut.

How much does the guy make who signs his check, asshole?

How much do the guys whose businesses upon which his industry depends make, asshole?

Pull your head out of your ass, Boyd.

Don't go all "Galt" on us, Jak. We wouldn't know how to survive without your pretense.

Oops. Sorry. I should refer to you as "Pinche Mao". My bad.

What else is Obama "going to" do?

You are convinced that he's "going to" take your guns away, and "going to" raise your taxes and "going to" what else?

Tax cuts won't matter when the money you keep won't buy anything because of runaway inflation.

Momma's drunk.
Poppa's in jail.
Obama supporters are on the corner,
Yelling "Stupidity for sale?"

By the way, is it true that only the "withholding tables" have changed, and not the "tax tables?"

Let's see, I have $13 more in my pocket It may be enough to buy a cup of coffee - for a few minutes anyway.

Obama must like the Zimbabwe model. So long as the printing presses and paper supply hold out, Obama will be okay. Of course, the numbers on the currency will grow so large that they'll need to be expressed in powers rather than adding zeroes as otherwise there would be insufficient space without enlarging the size of the currency.

What is amusing in this equation is the gloating of the Obama supporters as if they will not be adversely affected by the events.

Hey, "Jak", you have a defender.

Tell us about Obama and the other blacks, Johnson.

Surely, Johnson, we know what happens when the blacks are in charge of a country.

Hey "Cooper", you mananged post post 5 times and say absolutely nothing.

6 times.

Surely, Johnson, we know what happens when the blacks are in charge of a country.

Well we certainly know what happens when a communist is in charge.

Why throw the color thing in?

Are you a fucking racist, Boyd?

#105 | Posted by BetelG at 2009-04-16 12:56 AM

He'll only do that AFTER he takes your guns away, which also something you are convinced he is "going to" do. Gosh, with all the things Obama is allegedly "going to" do, I'm surprised you aren't comparing him to Hitler...

Gosh -Geuse, what insight. So you know whose actions Obama's emulates. Thanks for alerting us.

Obama is a leveler, who wants to get the people who are entrepreneurial so as to transfer their assets to his welfare constituency. Cool. And since the population is sufficiently stupid to be enablers of the process, we have a more sophisticated Mugabe clone transferring assets to his followers as Mugabe did in Zimbabwe. Of course, that "society," that "culture," that "economy" is now dysfunctional and not supplying much for anybody, but the followers of the messianic leaders are in the same fix as everyone else, worse but "equal."

Jak-
The best part will come when Johnson has the courage to respond, and you rant about the cunts to top off his rant about the coloreds.

There we go. Thanks for following through, Johnson. Now, if Jak could just rail on about the "cunts" while you go on about the coloreds...

Gosh -Geuse, what insight.

Don't even dignify this piece of shit with an acknowledgement of his nom d'jour.

Johnson-
You have compared our elected President to Mugabe and stated that Nicole Simpson "deserved" her murder for being with a black man. What else will you and Jak agree about?

Seems like y'all should be close friends.

Don't even dignify this piece of shit with an acknowledgement of his nom d'jour.

#120 | Posted by Jak_Se_Mao at 2009-04-16 01:22 AM | Reply | Flag:

Do carry on, Pinche Mao.

"The top 20% of earners pay over 80% of federal taxes."

And rightly so.

Why Danni? What in the hell would be the initiative to try & make more money? Settle for a C, no problem. That's great until those top 20% evil doers say fuck it... and rightly so!

The top 20% of earners pay over 80% of federal taxes.

Actually a documented figure is the top 10% pay 70%. Then again, the top 10% have >70% of the wealth in the U.S.

So yeah, when you look at the effective taxation of the non-10%, it isn't fair.

"He'll only do that AFTER he takes your guns away, which also something you are convinced he is "going to" do. Gosh, with all the things Obama is allegedly "going to" do, I'm surprised you aren't comparing him to Hitler..."

first intelligent post I have seen from you!
Libs have control, go for it. sooner you destroy the country the faster hard working americans can re-build it

How much do you EARN per year, Jay? If you earn less than around $200,000 per year, you're getting a tax cut.

You can't possibly believe that only people who make less than 200k are the only ones who's taxes are going to increase... You can't pay for all these programs without cutting spending or raising tazes and obviously Obama is not cutting spending. tax cuts dont matter anyway when you cant find a fucking job. you really should read up on how capitalism works....

How much does the guy make who signs his check, asshole?
How much do the guys whose businesses upon which his industry depends make, asshole?
Pull your head out of your ass, Boyd.

EXACTLY! none of it matters when you lose your job and cant find another one. tricle down works both ways. If my boss and his small business does not make allot of money then I dont get the Christmas bonus.. This whole idea that we should be at war with big business is rediculous. Capitalism works if the govt would stay the fuck out of it...

"Obama must like the Zimbabwe model. So long as the printing presses and paper supply hold out, Obama will be okay. Of course, the numbers on the currency will grow so large that they'll need to be expressed in powers rather than adding zeroes as otherwise there would be insufficient space without enlarging the size of the currency."

Yep, you nailed it!

"Capitalism works if the govt would stay the fuck out of it..."

#128 | Posted by jaybay555

Can I get an AMEN on that one!?

and of course this whole thread is fucked up.
when gibbs HEMMS AND HAWS his way of speaking and talks about this he and others like you fail to mention the TAXES THAT ARE HEADING OUR WAY.
thanks to a fasicts government.

Personally I don't care about my 25% income tax, that's my responsibility when I work... What I hate is the 37% that is taken out for my health care incentive "bonus" because it's considered a "gift"...

"Do you really think that waste has been diminished?" - JSprague #96

Where did I emphasize that waste has been diminished? In fact, I stated that "And that they are willing to foot their share of the bill as long as spending waste is diminished or eliminated." Maybe you should try reading my words. Your post has pretty much nothing to do with what I wrote.

"Capitalism works if the govt would stay the fuck out of it..."

Talk about a disconnect from reality! Any reading of history definitively states otherwise.

Explain something to me if anyone can please....

How can Obama claim to have given tax breaks to 95% if nearly 1/2 of that # doesn't even pay taxes to begin with?

What do you call the money they're getting?

Looking for answers to help me make sense of something that just doesn't to me.

"Talk about a disconnect from reality! Any reading of history definitively states otherwise"
#134 | Posted by AILtd

Whereas communism & socialism have been hugely successful....

People have to be allowed to fail if you ever expect them to want to try & succeed. Failure sucking out loud should be a pretty bit motivator don't you think?

#135 | Posted by HATEBIGGOV

Be prepared to be insulted without being given a ligament answer. Good Luck!

"Whereas communism & socialism have been hugely successful...."

Nope, but, then again, the issue wasn't what communism or socialism have done. It's that capitalism, unchecked, invariably self-destructs. As history has shown.

The core issue is that some kind of mixture is invariably what succeeds. Right now the best bet is what is called socialistic capitalism (or vise versa).

"People have to be allowed to fail if you ever expect them to want to try & succeed. Failure sucking out loud should be a pretty bit motivator don't you think?"

What applies to individual people doesn't necessarily apply to countries. If a person fails, that person fails. If a country fails, very many people fail. So different criteria _must_ be applied.

Capitalism doesn't give a crap about individual people. It is an economic _force_. So if you want to be concerned about people, you must slap limitations and oversight on capitalism. The best entity at doing that is the government.

Socialistic capitalism is a nice word for fascism. When the government controls business that are "privately owned".

"What applies to individual people doesn't necessarily apply to countries. If a person fails, that person fails. If a country fails, very many people fail. So different criteria _must_ be applied."

Why is it that the person doesn't matter in matters of society only the people but replace that person with CEO & countries with corporations & you want to hang every individual & demonize the corporations?

"Capitalism doesn't give a crap about individual people. It is an economic _force_. So if you want to be concerned about people, you must slap limitations and oversight on capitalism. The best entity at doing that is the government."

I suppose that would make more sense & actually be a great point if the damn REGULATORS weren't worse at what they're supposed to be regulating than the one's they are regulating! Governments can get away with far more because they have the enforceable power of government behind them! The government is not the "best entity" for that very reason!

"Socialistic capitalism is a nice word for fascism. When the government controls business that are "privately owned"."

No, it's a word for a reality that works. Neither the world nor reality are simplistic. When people are, it is to their detriment.

BTW, According to a Rasmussen poll released last week, 37 percent of Americans under age 30 prefer capitalism, 33 percent prefer socialism and 30 percent are undecided. Among all Americans, 53 percent prefer capitalism, 20 percent prefer socialism and 27 percent are undecided.

#142 | Posted by AILtd

Given the revisonist history of Socialism from the gov't schools, I'm surprised it isn't worse?

"Given the revisonist history of Socialism from the gov't schools, I'm surprised it isn't worse?"

Nope, wrong. The biggest reason for such a support of socialism is that it is no longer viewed in the context of the Cold War. Now it is viewed, as it should be, in the context of its economic philosophy. And judged by its successes in Europe. And, since those who prosper are those who take what is best from wherever they can, why "socialistic capitalism" is viewed as the world's (present) best bet.

"And, since those who prosper are those who take what is best from wherever they can, why "socialistic capitalism" is viewed as the world's (present) best bet."
#144 | Posted by AILtd

In your candy hearts & paper flowers world yes it would be the best bet except for providing resources for people who don't earn them surprisingly enough, doesn't enforce a work ethic & a sense of responsibility. It celebrates mediocrity & dependence & that just doesn't breed success.

The basic truth of Socialism & Capialtism is that both are crippled by good old' human nature. The fact that your idea is to put a corrupt & out of control government in charge of corrupt & out of control corporations is just lunacy to me! Do as I say, not as I do, never worked on anyone. EVER!

Again, I'll ask, what happens when those who are working their asses off say fuck it & wonder why they should keep going? A portion of nothing is still nothing.

have it it libs! you have the reigns... social programs are needed because you cant punish a child for it's parents mistakes. therefore you must have a welfare and un-employment program etc... I would bet that most americans understand that and really don't have a problem with it.

The problem is when the govt sticks its noses into places it should not. the bailouts for example. GM and chrysler will still go bankrupt after we gave them billions, does that make sense? The govt has a track record of mis-managing every program it has ever started (both dems and republicans). yet you libs just love creating more and more programs and letting the govt run more and more areas of private sector. what the hell is wrong with you people?

Do you really want the govt to run your health care? I realize it sucks right now but govt is not the answer!!!

Jaybay-
I think recent events have proved that the private financial sector only have our best interests at heart. It's only because we are stupid that we did not allow the privatization of Social Security before the recent crash.

"In your candy hearts & paper flowers world yes it would be the best bet except for providing resources for people who don't earn them surprisingly enough, doesn't enforce a work ethic & a sense of responsibility. It celebrates mediocrity & dependence & that just doesn't breed success."

No offense, but that is utter crap. Save it for your choir.

"The basic truth of Socialism & Capialtism is that both are crippled by good old' human nature. The fact that your idea is to put a corrupt & out of control government in charge of corrupt & out of control corporations is just lunacy to me! Do as I say, not as I do, never worked on anyone. EVER!"

Yep, they both are affected by human nature. And that is why taking them in their entirety is utter stupidity. But each have valid and successful aspects and only the stupid ignore them. Corruption exists _everywhere_. If you want to avoid corruption, you better move to a remote region and live in a cave. If you want to live in the real world, then you _must_ make the best of what is available.

"Again, I'll ask, what happens when those who are working their asses off say fuck it & wonder why they should keep going?"

But they won't because they realize they achieved what they did by squarely facing reality and making the best of it. As they have during wars, during the Great Depression, during the Ike adminstration when the tax rates were hugely higher. As for the whiners, nobody gives a fuck.

Do you have a fucking clue what would happen to this country if the federal government were reduced by 90% as people who think like you suggest it should be? I totally doubt it.

"Do you really want the govt to run your health care?"

Yes. It will do much better than the private HMO's.

"The govt has a track record of mis-managing every program it has ever started..."

Nope, not "every". Lots of examples of that. Many? Well, any entity which has a bureaucracy does. Most corporations and banks and private enterprises, etc., not to mention the vast majority of people, do so. Insipid argument.

"I think recent events have proved that the private financial sector only have our best interests at heart. It's only because we are stupid that we did not allow the privatization of Social Security before the recent crash."

who said they had out best financial interests at heart? That is not their job, they are in it to make money dumbass... Those fuckers should have been allowed to fail! too big to fail is bull shit... I did not say I was against regulation if it makes sense. letting people buy homes they could not afford is the libs fault and you all know it! As far as social security goes, I hope you are not banking on that for your retirement? unless you are like 80 years old right now... that money is gone thanks to your great govt...

"too big to fail is bull shit... "

Unfortunetly, it is not. Too big means there will be a cascading effect which will cause economic chaos. And, more unfortunetly, some banks fit that mold - and should never have been allowed to become that way.

"I think recent events have proved that the private financial sector only have our best interests at heart. It's only because we are stupid that we did not allow the privatization of Social Security before the recent crash."

I think this was said sarcastically.

Sarcasm? Nooooo...

A banker is someone who will always lend you their umbrella when the sun is out and then ask for it back the minute it starts to rain.

~Mark Twain.

...should never have been allowed to become that way

Too Big To Fail = Anti-monopoly laws are inadequately written and/or enforced.

Be Well.

"Unfortunetly, it is not. Too big means there will be a cascading effect which will cause economic chaos. And, more unfortunetly, some banks fit that mold - and should never have been allowed to become that way."

this is your "theroy"

Too Big To Fail = Anti-monopoly laws are inadequately written and/or enforced.

agree, but they should have been allowed to fail!!
then fix the laws and pick up the pieces...

now you just fucked your children over with billions in debt, is that a better way?

do you libs think we are done with the bailouts? I was just curious...

"this is your "theroy"

No, that very much seems to be acknowledged by most economists.

"but they should have been allowed to fail!!"

I'm sure you wouldn't mind if the economy collapsed. However, very many people would.

"do you libs think we are done with the bailouts?"

"Treasury officials say they may have as much as $110 billion left over because some of the initiatives are not drawing as much as participation as expected. Many firms have grown wary of taking federal aid, which requires them to cede a measure of control to the government and limit executive pay.

In particular, a program to revive consumer lending, initially projected to soak up $100 billion in bailout funds, may only require $55 billion. The first round of direct government investments into banks, an initiative developed by the Bush administration, was projected to cost $250 billion, but may reach only $218 billion, even after including upcoming help anticipated for some ailing insurance companies.

The Treasury Department also has a contingency plan in case a major financial firm collapses or the shortfall at the large banks proves far greater than anyone in the government now expects. In an emergency, the Treasury can move money out of previously announced programs. Currently, only $303 billion out of the $700 billion bailout program has been disbursed, officials said.

Treasury officials say they conservatively project that at least $25 billion will be returned by recipients of government aid after the stress tests' results are unveiled. In recent weeks, several big firms have said they will pay back their money. Among them are Goldman Sachs, which received $10 billion, and J.P. Morgan Chase, which accepted $25 billion." - Washington Post article

"Treasury officials say they may have as much as $110 billion left over because some of the initiatives are not drawing as much as participation as expected..."

I guess everything is good to go then! glad you cleared that up for me!

"this is your "theroy"
No, that very much seems to be acknowledged by most economists

again thanks, I was really confused... glad you cleared it up for me.

obvious we are on the right path now! shew... I was getting worried there...

"Americans like their income taxes"

A typical misleading liberal comment on the CLOWN REPORT.

You idiots, 42% don't pay income taxes.

'Mornin' Oozie!

seeing how the majority of them dont pay any tax to beging with, this is nothing more than a Liberal poll thas ment to skew the truth and make the demotards feel good about Omistake .

Ozzieoswald, said it right "A typical misleading liberal comment on the Clown REport" and poor Libatard sanantoniorogue is really the idiot.

#162 | Posted by noobama

I would have to say the real 'tards would be the ones who attempt an apples/oranges comparison between the subject of this thread and how many people pay income taxes.

Weak, dude.

Looks like NOOBAMA has got your ticket SANOBAMA.

I love it when you liberals have no come back so you have to make some bullshit.

As opposed to being pure bullshit from the outset like you, Ooze?

But I'll give you a shot here... go ahead and explain to me how the percentage of Americans who do or do not ultimately owe income tax relates to an article about how people who do pay income tax are relatively satisfied with their tax rate?

I'll await your analysis.

SANOBAMA: Lets see if your simple mind can handle this explanation. I will not take 60 lines to explain it like you libs do.

If 42% of American people do not pay taxes why wouldn't they say they like the income tax rates.

Read the article, not just the headline, Ooze.

Sanan is just mad cause no one has come buy to pay his house note yet, or fill his car up with gas.. lol its ok, SANANTONIOROGUE, take your meds and go back to sleep. funny how he waits your analysis, but provides none of his own, just like a demotard.

and.. hay.. SANANTONIOROGUE, Did you catch the last line in the article..

"In addition to sampling error, question wording and practical difficulties in conducting surveys can introduce error or bias into the findings of public opinion polls" funny , but you must think if its a poll it MUST be true. lol

I will say it again. DEMTARD (DEMOCRATE THATS A RETARD)

Sorry NoBrain, but we don't owe anything on our home, and I stopped for gas just last night. Knock on wood, but I don't need any medications, and I generally tend to go to bed around 11:00 pm.

But thank you for your concern.

SANOBAMA: I did read the article. Did you?

Less than $30,000 would include those that do not pay income taxes.

By the way, I like that new ID of ASSHOLE LIBS.

"DEMTARD" or maybe it should be DEMTERDS.

I did the math, and after it is all said and done I paid ~6%. Funny that just does not seem that bad.

#26 | Posted by Salaryman

"Tipman" if you actually claimed the tips you made waiting tables it might just be a bit higher and those of you in the 6% bracket likely take more from the system than you put in.

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