Damn I know this is true where I live all you have to do is follow the trails of chewing tobacco to find the conspirators at work hatching the latest plot...

What a bunch of scaremongering. I thought Obama was change you could believe in, but he is using Bush tactics to scare people and smear his political opponents.

Ultra-lib in charge of DHS, I am shocked this would come out.

Ok, so "white power" is bad, but Congressional Black Caucuss is ok. "White power" is bad, but National Association for the Advancement of Colored People is ok. What a curse being a rational clear thinking person. I am the only one that gets this? Does anyone else even see this ass a problem? Or are we going to be treated to the same excuses in order to excuse the racist behavior of blacks in America?

Yeah, if the situation were reversed and it was left wing radicals expressing the anger and CRAZINESS that the right as been doing Homeland Security would just look the other way.
If they didn't notice and infiltrate these lunatics it would be irresponsible. Sooner or later some of these psychos are going to commit a terrorist act I think. I feel more danger from right wing psycos right now than from Al Quaeda.

"Or are we going to be treated to the same excuses in order to excuse the racist behavior of blacks in America?"

Name one assasination of a major political figure comitted by a black person, now think how many people angry white men have killed just in your own life time.

NAACP BTW is not now and never has advocated violence.

I am the only one that gets this?
#4 | Posted by member2586

The only one that "get" it that a congressional caucus and the NAACP are equivalent to "White power" advocates of violence. Well, I should hope so.

I feel more danger from right wing psycos right now than from Al Quaeda.

#5 | Posted by danni

Newsworthy. I get the feeling that statement will generate lots of controversy so I won't even bother with it.

#7 | Posted by danni

True. But they are advocating the advancement of one race. Can you imagine the outcry if there was a peaceful NAAWP?

"But they are advocating the advancement of one race."

YOur comment comes after their struggle has been pretty much won. They courageously campaigned for equality for decades when they were beaten, arrested, even lynched so my concern that they focused on the benefit of their own race is just not all that great. My suggestion, get a life, the NAACP is hurting no one.

"Can you imagine the outcry if there was a peaceful NAAWP?"

We had one...it was called the government of the United States until around 1965.

Can you imagine the outcry if there was a peaceful NAAWP?

It's called the GOP. Not always peaceful, what with some members inciting cop-killings, but basically just a bunch of old white guys trying to live a peaceful life at their segregated golf courses and having illegals mow their lawns.

As long as right-wing talk radio and right wing politicians gin up the radicals in their base with talk of a black Muslim Socialist President and the loss of US sovereignty and how great it is that gun sales are up, then the odds of them setting off one of their walking time bombs is high.

Yeah, Obama is a Muslim, who started that campaign Corky? Could it be HILLARY? The rightwingers picked up where she left off.

My suggestion, get a life, the NAACP is hurting no one.

#11 | Posted by danni

You're telling me to get a life after making such an outrageous statement that you fear rightwingers more than Al Qaeda?! Pot kettle, black, how does that go?

Could it be HILLARY? The rightwingers picked up where she left off.

#15 | Posted by member2586

That is not accurate.

Although she did kinda piss off Obama supporters at the time when she answered a question about whether or not he was a Muslim by adding "as far as I know".

But it was the right-loons that started it, and keep it alive, working hand-in-hand with the Birthers.

Can you imagine the outcry if there was a peaceful NAAWP?

It's called the GOP...

Which is why the GOP is led by a Richard Steel?

The Obama version of the vast right wing conspiracy ala Clinton?

I feel more danger from right wing psycos right now than from Al Quaeda.

#5 | Posted by danni at 2009-04-14 10:46 AM | Reply

Thank god you've already established yourself as a fool.

Danni,

I am going to guess that you are at work listening to npr and blogging. Ever wonder why American jobs are going overseas?

Ok, so "white power" is bad, but Congressional Black Caucuss is ok. "White power" is bad, but National Association for the Advancement of Colored People is ok. What a curse being a rational clear thinking person. I am the only one that gets this? Does anyone else even see this ass a problem? Or are we going to be treated to the same excuses in order to excuse the racist behavior of blacks in America?

#4 | Posted by member2586 at 2009-04-14 10:45

AMEN BRO

BLack congressmen and go and kiss castros ass and call the country rascist and all of that bullshit but when the right flexs thier muscles even a little we get shit like this

NOW does anyone want to debate whether there is such a thing as liberal fascism?

"I am going to guess that you are at work listening to npr and blogging. Ever wonder why American jobs are going overseas?"

But interestingly not mine, gee, I wonder why???

here is a part of this article that should scare every american reading this site
and if it doesnt scare you then you are one of them..

read it carefully and you will see just what liberal fascism is all about

"A footnote attached to the report by the Homeland Security Office of Intelligence and Analysis defines "rightwing extremism in the United States" as including not just racist or hate groups, but also groups that reject federal authority in favor of state or local authority.

"It may include groups and individuals that are dedicated to a single-issue, such as opposition to abortion or immigration," the warning says.

IN OTHER WORDS...we MUST SILENCE THE CRITICS OF THE OBAMA ADMINSTRATION AT ANY AND ALL COSTS.
and if you think its limited to kooks, then you didnt just READ THE FUCKIN ARTICLE.

dont tread on me...

but also groups that reject federal authority in favor of state or local authority.

"It may include groups and individuals that are dedicated to a single-issue, such as opposition to abortion or immigration," the warning says.

That is troubling because every single member of the Retort could fit that description.

THIS DESERVES TO BE REPEATED

but also groups that reject federal authority in favor of state or local authority.

so states rights has also gone the way of traditional values and a strong foreign policy as schumer said the other day

its time for the revolt to begin!

The comments above about NAACP, etc. pretty much gives us a picture of who the Teabaggers really are.
Is it a coincidence that our first black president sits in the WH???
Hardly.

Any criticism of Obama will be labeled as racist...

"but also groups that reject federal authority in favor of state or local authority"
~blt

WAKE UP CALL: TEXAS GOV. BACK RESOLUTION AFFIRMING SOVEREIGNTY
Tue Apr 14 2009 08:44:54 ET

AUSTIN Gov. Rick Perry joined state Rep. Brandon Creighton and sponsors of House Concurrent Resolution (HCR) 50 in support of states' rights under the 10th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.

"I believe that our federal government has become oppressive in its size, its intrusion into the lives of our citizens, and its interference with the affairs of our state," Gov. Perry said. "That is why I am here today to express my unwavering support for efforts all across our country to reaffirm the states' rights affirmed by the Tenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. I believe that returning to the letter and spirit of the U.S. Constitution and its essential 10th Amendment will free our state from undue regulations, and ultimately strengthen our Union."

Perry continued: "Millions of Texans are tired of Washington, DC trying to come down here to tell us how to run Texas."

That is scary. I am sure they consider Ron Paul supporters and Libertarians terrorists too, even thought we don't promote violence.

thank you kanrie

you just MIGHT BE a 'great american'

so WHEN obama is gone will this still be the case and mean that no liberal can speak out against whoever the republican president might be..you know just in case....

I sort of think a good question here would be where did this come from?
career people in that department or the democrats there since last jan?

ZAT...this might be a first...but you are correct.

but no terrorist would have hair that pretty and always in place.

the REPUBLIC of Texas

#26 | Posted by danni

You should be thankful that I don't flag comments because I believe this one is offensive. I am not a racist and criticizing the prez doesn't make me one.

"Any criticism of Obama, preceded by whining about the NAACP, will be labeled as racist..."

That is scary. I am sure they consider Ron Paul supporters and Libertarians terrorists too, even thought we don't promote violence.

#29 | Posted by member2586 at 2009

well maybe tomorrow there will be violence

you know if the govnt sends people to the tea parties with fire hoses in case the 'lords prayer breaks out or they will have cops there to arrest us in case someone starts singing america the beautifull or ...heavens forbid...the national anthem....lol
you know ..ALL that terrorists stuff

Speaking of homeland security, Chimpy's abysmal selection to head that department will soon be looking at some serious jail time. Heckuva job, Bernie.

Disgraced ex-NYPD Commissioner Bernard Kerik is going to have to take his chances with three juries.

U.S. District Court Judge Stephen Robinson chopped up an indictment Monday accusing Kerik of corruption, tax evasion and perjury into three separate cases.

Defense lawyer Barry Berke applauded the judge's decision, asserting that it bolstered Kerik's chances to be "vindicated" in all three trials.

The judge scheduled Oct. 13 for Kerik's trial on corruption charges.

Kerik is accused of leveraging his job as New York City's top cop to get $165,000 in renovations to his Bronx apartment from a mob-linked contractor needing his help to land city work. If convicted, Kerik faces up to 20 years in prison.

Kerik's second trial in White Plains will deal with charges he defrauded the Internal Revenue Service by failing to disclose a $250,000 loan and rent income he was receiving on an upper East Side apartment. He faces an additional three years in prison if convicted.

Robinson decided Kerik will be tried in Washington for allegedly lying to White House officials vetting him for the Homeland Security secretary post in 2004.

Kerik faces up to five years in prison on that count.

Any criticism of Obama, preceded by whining about the NAACP, will be labeled as racist..."

#33 | Posted by danni at

without commenting on your post let me make it a little more accurate

its the naaLcp.

Any criticism of Obama, preceded by whining about the NAACP, will be labeled as racist..."

#33 | Posted by danni at 2009-04-14

so would you like member ARRESTED FOR that because that seems to be a logical move forward to what this article is saying and is about..
no wonder liberals are in love with CASTRO AND CHAVEZ

"Any criticism of Obama, preceded by whining about the NAACP, will be labeled as racist..."

#33 | Posted by danni at 2009-04-14 12:07 PM | Reply

Except you were talking about the teabaggers.
Nice try, but you failed as usual.

Kerik faces up to five years in prison on that count.

#35 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2009

ABSOLUTELY AND POSTIVELY beside whatever point you were trying to make
the blame bush for everything days are over...havent you heard??? oh I guess not since thats the first line of defense of positions that come out of this fascist white house.

HEY GAS HAS GONE UP 10 cents in the past THREE WEEKS

THAT DAMNED BUSH.....

There have always been fringe groups that are possible terrorist threats. I think this was made evident by the OKC bomber - a white militant fringe crazy person.

Robinson decided Kerik will be tried in Washington for allegedly lying to White House officials vetting him for the Homeland Security secretary post in 2004.

You got to love this post. Coming off the heels of the Administrations dismal record of vetting candidates, someone brings up the Bush card. I guess if you admit you are a fucking crook cheating on taxes, all is forgiven? As opposed to being tried for lying to officials? Classic.

Rusty, the thread is about homeland security and right wing scumbags, Kerik had ties to both . I'm just surprised that Gannon's cum dumpster didn't give Bernie the Medal of Freedom.

I dont know who this rusty is but If you are talking about my response, I should have pointed out that I was referring more to some of your initial comments

sorry for the confusion.

AFK,
The right was guilty of supporting laws as if there would never be another Democrat in the White House and right now the left is guilty of supporting laws as if there is never going to be another Republican in the White House. The short-sighted nature of most members of political parties is the biggest problem with parties.

and speaking of this threat to our freedom

so will each of the commentators this morning who did a spot on jesse jackson jr quite possibly be in cahoots with blog afterall through one of this brothers..

I guess all of them would be arrested to by homeland security?????

IF true, he is in some trouble still..

AH BUT with the color of his skin and who his old man..he's got nothing to worry about.

"I think this was made evident by the OKC bomber - a white militant fringe crazy person."

Who you know good and well would be a teabagger today were he still free and alive.

and speaking of this threat to our freedom

so will each of the commentators this morning who did a spot on jesse jackson jr quite possibly be in cahoots with blog afterall through one of this brothers..

I guess all of them would be arrested to by homeland security?????

IF true, he is in some trouble still..

AH BUT with the color of his skin and who his old man..he's got nothing to worry about.

#45 | Posted by afkabl2

Did Ish have a stroke?

"The right was guilty of supporting laws as if there would never be another Democrat in the White House and right now the left is guilty of supporting laws as if there is never going to be another Republican in the White House."

What law is the left guilty of supporting as if there is never going to be another Republican in the WH????

Danni,
Your question to me was answered before you asked it. Follow the thread closer:

here is a part of this article that should scare every american reading this site
and if it doesnt scare you then you are one of them..

read it carefully and you will see just what liberal fascism is all about

"A footnote attached to the report by the Homeland Security Office of Intelligence and Analysis defines "rightwing extremism in the United States" as including not just racist or hate groups, but also groups that reject federal authority in favor of state or local authority.

"It may include groups and individuals that are dedicated to a single-issue, such as opposition to abortion or immigration," the warning says.

IN OTHER WORDS...we MUST SILENCE THE CRITICS OF THE OBAMA ADMINSTRATION AT ANY AND ALL COSTS.
and if you think its limited to kooks, then you didnt just READ THE FUCKIN ARTICLE.

dont tread on me...

#23 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2009-04-14 12:01 PM

Well Conservatives, you were the first to scream we need security, well if you are willing to give up a little freedom ( Liberty ) to gain security, you deserve neither. Homeland Security was a reaction to a major attack on our Nation, and just as the Obama administration says we should not allow a good CRISIS to go to waste, well that is what happened in Congress with the Rebublicrats. The Rebulicans took us down a path of security over LIBERTY and you all fell for it hook line and sinker. Now the new admin is in office and what looked like a protection from outside threats have now come back to haunt the American people. The Leftist ( Government as that is all that a Government can do, is bring Tyranny upon it's citizens ) are using this to brand anyone against the " new " policies a domestic threat. Welcome to the " NEW WORLD ORDER ". Freedom and Liberty, stop the madness, liberty loving Libertarians are the only hope to the future of America.

Kanrei, right on, your analysis is very accurate. People love power once their side gets it and hates power when they are the opposition.

I am going to have to see that professional again today

I am about to agree with kanrie more than ONCE..

I hope the therepist has an opening....

The militia lunatics do seem to start acting up when we have a lefty president. Heaven forbid the FBI/ATF become aware of some weapon hoarding cult and Obama has to give the authorization to use force to enforce the law. All the McVeigh worshippers will be up in arms.

Not saying these nutjobs are a huge threat but its not like they've never blown up a government building before.

MAGO

I wish like HELl that I could argue with you about republicans but I just cant.
and this protest tommorrow that was SPAWNED by the common people will depend on republican politicians to see it through and I dont have a lot of faith that they will do that either willingly or even by accident.
a third party never looked so good as it seems to be with every passing day
but as history shows us..
teddy roosevelt might have been the most popular man in america but he still lost as a third pary candidate even then.

The militia lunatics do seem to start acting up when we have a lefty president. Heaven forbid the FBI/ATF become aware of some weapon hoarding cult and Obama has to give the authorization to use force to enforce the law. All the McVeigh worshippers will be up in arms.

Not saying these nutjobs are a huge threat but its not like they've never blown up a government building before.

#53 | Posted by Sully at 2009-04-14 01:04

what are say isnt wrong BUT AGAIN..read the whole article...they dont STOP Here. they seem to be talking about people who would just be using that little first amendment right we all are supposed to have and it would include the LEFT if that shoe gets back on that other foot

and this protest tommorrow that was SPAWNED by the common people

Posted by afkabl2

You don't really think that do you?

American Family Association, FreedomWorks (Dick Armey), and Newt Gingrich have been pushing (and paying for) this partisan movement since the outset. Now that they have their media shills, Fox News on board, the marketing package is complete.

Grassroots movement? Puhleeese!

I am about to agree with kanrie more than ONCE..

Feels good to be correct instead of right, doesn't it AFK? =P

"Right-Wing Radicals"

How can you be radical and right-wing at the same time? That would be like saying left-wing reactionaries.

BTW Kanrei, you still never answered my question. What laws are the Obama administration enforcing as i there will never be another Republican administation (which is actually a possibility BTW)?

This is just the Dems being pissed at the 59,934,814 voters not in Obama's pocket.

While it is absurd to say that American rightwingers are more of a threat than Al Qaeda, keep in mind that Timothy McVeigh was no liberal. His obsession with paramilitary action and 'The Turner Diaries' place him smack dab in the middle of radical far rightwing thought processes.

Danni, Al Qaeda wishes to murder every American for no other reason than that we are American. They enjoy funding from wealthy sources throughout out the Middle East.
Radical rightwingers tend to be poor dumb folk in places like Idaho, Montana, Mississippi and Texas.
Point is, don't equate Al Qaeda with these nuts. Al Qaeda is far more lethal and actively dangerous.

BTW Danni, I did.

#49 | Posted by kanrei at 2009-04-14 12:33 PM

Yes, but Obama is or will be in all our pockets.

This is just the Dems being pissed at the 59,934,814 voters not in Obama's pocket.

Posted by MSgt

Or maybe the GOP sour grapes thinking that they are smarter than the 69,492,376 who tossed their asses out of office.

moder8, you really are being true to your name today.

"BTW Danni, I did."

Explain then, if you can.

"Danni, Al Qaeda wishes to murder every American for no other reason than that we are American."

And, if they were right here in the US we would have good reason to fear them but most of them are not here, while we do have plenty of right wing lunatics who believe they are listening to God tell them a black man should not be president or other such nonsense. I honestly do fear some of these yahoos.

Name one assasination of a major political figure comitted by a black person, now think how many people angry white men have killed just in your own life time.

Just think how many people angry black men have killed in just your lifetime.

Oh how the hypocrisy jumps right out of the screen.

Al Qaeda is far more lethal and actively dangerous.

#61 | Posted by moder8 at 2009-04-14 01:28 PM

They are more lethal yes, but reading the letters to WND and listening to callers on Hannity and such tells me there is a real threat in some "lone wolf" rightie acting in what they think is in the defense of this nation and try to save it before "Obama destroys the American way of life forever."

Danni,
Please look up any words giving you trouble.

"A footnote attached to the report by the Homeland Security Office of Intelligence and Analysis defines "rightwing extremism in the United States" as including not just racist or hate groups, but also groups that reject federal authority in favor of state or local authority.

"It may include groups and individuals that are dedicated to a single-issue, such as opposition to abortion or immigration," the warning says.

Under Bush, the Homeland security did not include those groups, but now it is. Who is that being done under exactly if not the left?

"I honestly do fear some of these yahoos"

I prefer Google myself and MSN for e-mail.

BTW Kanrei, you still never answered my question. What laws are the Obama administration enforcing as i there will never be another Republican administation (which is actually a possibility BTW)?

Rendition.
Torture.
Patriot Act.
Warrant less Wiretapping.
Immunity for phone companies who aid in warrant less wiretapping.

Let me know when he rescinds or stops any of the above.

"What a bunch of scaremongering. I thought Obama was change you could believe in, but he is using Bush tactics to scare people and smear his political opponents." #2 | Posted by member2586

Even Bush never went this far!

Even Bush never went this far!

#72 | Posted by KBM

Oh for God's sake. He had the NSA spy on the Amish.

Axiom,
It is obviously only bad if Bush did it against the left, but Obama doing it against the right is "for the good of the nation."

Al Qaeda is far more lethal and actively dangerous.

#61 | Posted by moder8 at 2009-04-14 01:28 PM

They are more lethal yes, but reading the letters to WND and listening to callers on Hannity and such tells me there is a real threat in some "lone wolf" rightie acting in what they think is in the defense of this nation and try to save it before "Obama destroys the American way of life forever."

#68 | Posted by kanrei at 2009-04-14 01:34 PM

Historically, al Qaeda is more lethal and has been more active, but not so today. Also, you've got a resurgence of militant sentiments in the far-right. When libs lose an election, they bitch and moan on TV and radio, maybe complaining about having won the popular vote (and that meaning nothing). When cons lose an election, they stock up on guns and ammo and then start preparing for a civil war.

If you had to bet on whether the next attack would be carried out by a homegrown nutcase or an al Qaeda operative, I'd go with the former.

"Name one assasination of a major political figure comitted by a black person, now think how many people angry white men have killed just in your own life time." #6 | Posted by danni

Danni, your analogy leaves me speechless sometimes.

"Under Bush, the Homeland security did not include those groups, but now it is. Who is that being done under exactly if not the left?"

Well, if after the Oklahoma bombing the Bush administration didn't monitor such groups then that is one more good reason to be glad they are out of power. How is that related to which party inhabits the WH??? That's just be responsible. It would be different if there weren't already a history of right wing terror attacks and murders but there is.
Homeland Security taking that seriously is hardly political.

Oh for God's sake. He had the NSA spy on the Amish.

#73 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue at 2009-04-14 01:38 PM

When he should have been watching those shifty Mennonites!

"Danni, your analogy leaves me speechless sometimes."

Well I guess so unless you can name an assasin who was black and that murdered a major American political figure. Speechless or just nothing to say???

Sooner or later some of these psychos are going to commit a terrorist act I think. I feel more danger from right wing psycos right now than from Al Quaeda.

Mission Accomplished.

When Dubya fearmongered, you saw through his bullshit and called him a fraud.

When Obama does it, you eat it up and sop the rest up with a biscuit.

What changed?

Danni,
You are sticking to your general theme of posting and they do have you nailed on it:

Republican=bad
Democrat=good

Regardless of the actions.

It is a shame, because you are smarter than that.

Homeland Security taking that seriously is hardly political.

The intention all along has been to use Homeland Security against the American people. It was never intended as a tool against terrorism. Obama is now reaping the fruits of Dubya's labor.

"When Obama does it, you eat it up and sop the rest up with a biscuit."

Perhaps you could supply the Obama quote where he spoke about these "fears."

I said I think one of these psychos will commit a terrorist attack, me not Obama.

"I feel more danger from right wing psycos right now than from Al Quaeda." #5 | Posted by danni

Danni, you can include Detroit, Chicago, New Jersey, New Orleans with your "right wing psychos". These places are more dangerous than the country of Iraq and Al Qaeda.

"The intention all along has been to use Homeland Security against the American people. It was never intended as a tool against terrorism. Obama is now reaping the fruits of Dubya's labor."

Welcome to the twilight zone. JEFFENDENMARK will be here momentarily to join you IRAQI.

BTW Kanrei, you still never answered my question. What laws are the Obama administration enforcing as i there will never be another Republican administation (which is actually a possibility BTW)?

#59 | Posted by danni at 2009-04-14

you just keep thinking that..and take SA with you

SA....the tea party idea was begun in seattle by two women...one of which was a moderate to liberal democrat...her words....

so keep up the smugness.....its what we have come to expect...and I remember some of the same noise coming from dems in 1980 and 1988 and 2000.

DONT TREAD ON ME BABY....

Those Amish are dangerous! They will hack into our electrical grid and turn everything off. Then they'll attack us and will win because they are used to not having electricity.

"These places are more dangerous than the country of Iraq and Al Qaeda."

Dangerous because of crime not terrorism.
Not really the same thing at all and you know it.

The Amish are not going to be a real threat until they figure out proper button technology. If they ever do, beware. We must stop button development now before it is too late!

Danni, you can include Detroit, Chicago, New Jersey, New Orleans with your "right wing psychos". These places are more dangerous than the country of Iraq and Al Qaeda.

#84 | Posted by KBM at 2009-04-14 01:44 PM | Reply

and lets look at those cities you listed

NO
new jersey
chicago
detroit

and all have been run by democrats and liberals for virtually as long as any of us can remember

and so they SURELY ARE places of shang ri la and utopia where they all work and get along and noone hurts anyone else.....

so much for pollyanna.

DOROTHY>..theres no place like home

theres no place like home

wake up ...your dreamin

"But interestingly not mine, gee, I wonder why???" 22 | Posted by danni

This "right wing psycho", as you put it, won't even bother to comment.

"SA....the tea party idea was begun in seattle by two women..."

til you post a link I'll just file that under B for "baloney."

Actually should be balogna.

Dangerous because of crime not terrorism.
Not really the same thing at all and you know it.

#88 | Posted by danni at 2009-04-14 01:46 PM

You spoke of perspective when it came to AIDS jokes. Try explain to the people in those cities who are terrified to leave their homes at night or to let their children play on the lawn that they are not victims of terrorism.

SA....the tea party idea was begun in seattle by two women...one of which was a moderate to liberal democrat...her words....

#86 | Posted by afkabl2

Riiiiiight. And then it just spread like wildfire among the common folk.

Too funny.

That is scary. I am sure they consider Ron Paul supporters and Libertarians terrorists too, even thought we don't promote violence.

#29 | Posted by member2586 at 2009-04-14 12:04

What exactly is scary about it? If you ain't done nothin' wrong you got nothin' to hide right?

When there was warrantless wiretaps just a few years ago I heard many a 'righty' say the above. I guess now things have changed with a dem in the WH? Like they shouldn't be after the next Tim McVay?

"That is scary. I am sure they consider Ron Paul supporters and Libertarians terrorists too, even thought we don't promote violence.' #29 | Posted by member2586

They officially do in Missouri now.

I would love to change my name to rightwingpsycho, but then every time I log in I would have to type such a long-ass handle. I guess I'll stick with my handle.

"You spoke of perspective when it came to AIDS jokes. Try explain to the people in those cities who are terrified to leave their homes at night or to let their children play on the lawn that they are not victims of terrorism."

I didn't minimize the effects of crime, I just mentioned that it isn't the same thing as terrorism just as the Somalian pirate were primarily criminals not terrorists though now we fear Al Quaeda will recruit those "criminals" and turn them into "terrorists."

"I would love to change my name to rightwingpsycho"

Sorry member but there are other posters more deserving of that name.

What exactly is scary about it? If you ain't done nothin' wrong you got nothin' to hide right?

It was bullshit the day the patriot act was passed, and it's still bullshit today.

When there was warrantless wiretaps just a few years ago I heard many a 'righty' say the above. I guess now things have changed with a dem in the WH? Like they shouldn't be after the next Tim McVay?

They shouldn't sacrifice civil liberties for security. My opinion of the ruling party is irrelevant - I like BHO better than GWB but when it comes to this issue, they both suck. Obama promised us change - and I'm still waiting!

"There have always been fringe groups that are possible terrorist threats. I think this was made evident by the OKC bomber - a white militant fringe crazy person." #40 | Posted by taxman

One, one crazy person and a buddy. One out of 300 million people. One out of decades of white militant fringes. At least you have one to count. Let's group half of the U.S. with him.

I like BHO better than GWB but when it comes to this issue, they both suck. Obama promised us change - and I'm still waiting!

Posted by ZombieHunter at 2009-04-14 01:53 PM

DITTO!

"This "right wing psycho", as you put it, won't even bother to comment."

You just did.

"DITTO!"

Lots of us on the left are thinking the same thing.

"Oh for God's sake. He had the NSA spy on the Amish."
#73 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue

And Obama just signed on for 4 more years of it!

"One, one crazy person and a buddy. One out of 300 million people. One out of decades of white militant fringes."

How many decades??? There were lynchings, church bombings, etc. right into the seventies.
Abortion doctors assasinated in the eighties and nineties
Lunatic shot up a Unitarian Church a couple years ago cuz they wus libruls.

Lots of us on the left are thinking the same thing.

#104 | Posted by danni at 2009-04-14 01:56 PM |

Danni,
You are not part of "us on the left" in this regard. You are showing yourself to be no better than Box-Itch was: a blind a rabid supporter to the power as long as it is your party wielding it.

The NAACP and Black Caucus attempt to promote equality through representing and supporting an underprivileged and still often descriminated against minority in this country. Violent Right Wing Radical groups terrorize minority groups, encourage violence, support the domination of the country and planet by the White race, and promote the complete segregation of the races through either deportion or genocide. I can definitely understand how people like AFK might get these groups easily confused.

Riiiiiight. And then it just spread like wildfire among the common folk.

Too funny.

#94 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue at 2009

you can put it down all you want

sure sign that you and others are scared of the common people making as much noise as leftwing radicals who normally are the only ones who make it to the nightly news.
there are 40 in texas alone making it almost impossibly to be anything other than grassroots.

and is there ANY DOUBT That this report came out on the eve of this protest???|
I think not..
meant to scare us...maybe...

more importantly it shows that dems are scared and have already begun to dismiss it
but they wont be able to dismiss the revolt in the ballot booth..

they can STEAL IT...(*see minnesota)
but they cant dismiss it.

DONT TREAD ON ME

more importantly it shows that REpubs are scared and have already begun to dismiss it
but they wont be able to dismiss the revolt in the ballot booth..

they can STEAL IT...(*see Florida, Ohio)
but they cant dismiss it.

Fixed it for ya AFK. You made common mistakes, but all clear now.

"Danni,
You are not part of "us on the left" in this regard. You are showing yourself to be no better than Box-Itch was: a blind a rabid supporter to the power as long as it is your party wielding it."

I say I agree that the Obama administration is just as wrong as wa the Bush administration in that they support the violation of our rights through wire taps and that makes me a "rabid supporter to the power."
Interesting.

"they can STEAL IT...(*see minnesota)"

Yeah, whoever heard of the candidate with the most votes winning??? Fortunately though Norm Coleman is being a good sport about it, just like he recommended for Franken.

Welcome to the twilight zone. JEFFENDENMARK will be here momentarily to join you IRAQI.

So why hasn't all this shit been repealed Danni?

Why has the great paragon of social justice, Barack Obama, repealed the injustices of the draconian dictator G.W. Bush? We know you're beholden to rhetoric, based on how scared you are, but his actions simply don't match his words.

and that makes me a "rabid supporter to the power."
Interesting.

#112 | Posted by danni at 2009-04-14 02:07 PM

You need to keep up with YOUR posts better Danni. You have been the number one Obama cheerleader here since Nov 4th. You have made AFK's Bush obsession and spin look amatuer. There has not been one single action by Obama that you have not strained to find some excuse for his doing it.

They shouldn't sacrifice civil liberties for security. My opinion of the ruling party is irrelevant - I like BHO better than GWB but when it comes to this issue, they both suck. Obama promised us change - and I'm still waiting!

#100 | Posted by ZombieHunter at 2009-04-14 01:53 PM

I was wondering about the what's so scary, coming from a group of people that found nothing scary about it just 2 years ago.

Now before I cast dispersions on the Obama admin, I'd like to know more about this effort. Is the Obama admin furthering the warrantless wiretapping nonsense, or is this a directed legal surveillance of targets suspected of extremist activity?

"There has not been one single action by Obama that you have not strained to find some excuse for his doing it."

Wrong. I critiized his unwillingness to nationalize the banks that were insolvent, I have even called the WH and the AG's office asking why Bush appointed prosecutors in Alabama are still prosecuting Don Siegelman, I have expressed some doubts about his Afghanistan policies, and other things too. I do support the president but I do not support anyone 100% or unquestioningly regardless if you read the posts where I do or not.

Yeah, whoever heard of the candidate with the most votes winning???

#113 | Posted by danni at 2009-04-14 02:10 PM | Reply | Fl

Fuck you. Seriously, just go away.
Sincerely,
JFK, Retarded Cong Killer

Oops, sorry, that was supposed to be Albert "I invented the net" Gore

"Oops, sorry, that was supposed to be Albert "I invented the net" Gore"

That is some really tired material.

Rendition.
Torture.
Patriot Act.
Warrant less Wiretapping.
Immunity for phone companies who aid in warrant less wiretapping.

Let me know when he rescinds or stops any of the above.

Duck it. Avoid it, but whatever you do, Danni, don't address it.

I was wondering about the what's so scary, coming from a group of people that found nothing scary about it just 2 years ago.

I can find at least 2 people who do not lean to the left on this very thread who questioned the motives of the Bush administration.

I can probably find a couple of posts by these same two people warning the right that "when the pendulum shifts to put democrats in charge, you'll suddenly find these practices reprehensible".

There's only a few people on this thread who are consistent in their feelings on the matter.

You, Danni and the rest are not in that group. Making excuses to justify it, taking up the former position of the right while the right takes up the former position of the left.

"That is some really tired material."

Really, Danni? What is REALLY tired material is your..

Republicans....BAD!
Democrats....GOOD!

....posts.

"Making excuses to justify it, taking up the former position of the right while the right takes up the former position of the left."

er...by consistently opposing unlimited secret wire taps regardless of who is president???

Really, JESTGETTINGALONG? What is REALLY tired material is your..

Republicans....GOOD!
Democrats....BAD!

....posts.

You are certainly as partisan as any other poster here. Pot meet kettle.

That is some really tired material.

#120 | Posted by danni at 2009-04-14 02:29 PM | Reply

Well by all means, take the time out of your busy schedule to address that "tired" material, but what ever it is you do, ignore posts that nail your tired ass to the wall, hypocrite.

IN OTHER WORDS...we MUST SILENCE THE CRITICS OF THE OBAMA ADMINSTRATION AT ANY AND ALL COSTS.
and if you think its limited to kooks, then you didnt just READ THE FUCKIN ARTICLE.

dont tread on me...

#23 | Posted by afkabl2
-----------
Your absolutely right afkbl2. I think it's childish to single out the GOP as being more of a danger to the US homeland Security than Al Quaeda, what fantasy world is Janet Nepolitano living in?

I'm especially offended at the paragraph that mentions military retirees/veterans as being part of this.

Lonnie

I guess Obama is pacifying the left-wing extremists, for the moment.

Danni,
Allow me to re-introduce you to your first post of this thread:

If they didn't notice and infiltrate these lunatics it would be irresponsible. Sooner or later some of these psychos are going to commit a terrorist act I think. I feel more danger from right wing psycos right now than from Al Quaeda.

#5 | Posted by danni at 2009-04-14 10:46 AM |

See where you are changing your tune with by consistently opposing unlimited secret wire taps regardless of who is president???

#124 | Posted by danni at 2009-04-14 02:38 PM
?

Look at this again: Sooner or later some of these psychos are going to commit a terrorist act I think.

You think? Sooner or later, but not one shred of proof, yet you want these group infiltrated and monitored? Do you not see the hypocrasy?

Look at this again: Sooner or later some of these psychos are going to commit a terrorist act I think.

You think? Sooner or later, but not one shred of proof, yet you want these group infiltrated and monitored? Do you not see the hypocrasy?

#130 | Posted by kanrei
-----------------------
Forget it Kanrei, danni will never see the hypocracy. Most doctors will tell you that mentally ill people can't see that they are mentall ill. I think that's how liberal hypocracy works.

Lonnie

er...by consistently opposing unlimited secret wire taps regardless of who is president???

That's funny, because you don't seem to have a problem with it right now. I've brought it up to you multiple times and you duck it and ignore it.

You haven't been consistent at all in this thread. Did you forget what you typed at the beginning?

"See where you are changing your tune with by consistently opposing unlimited secret wire taps regardless of who is president???"

CAn't say as I do. That simply does not compute. I do fear that right wing terrorists are out there, I do believe the FBI should be infiltrating, etc. just as they would Al Quaeda terrorists and tapping their phones but that in no way means that the FBI or anyone else should be tapping all of our phones without warrants and without even getting after the fact warrants. How is that changing my tune??
You are determined to peg me the way you want, sorry if I don't fit into the hole you decided to put me in.

"That's funny, because you don't seem to have a problem with it right now. I've brought it up to you multiple times and you duck it and ignore it."

How did I duck and ignore it. When two other posters were discussing it I put my agreement in without even being confronted on the issue.
Keep trying but sorry you're failing miserably to make the case that I giv Obama a pass on everything.
I haven't on quite a few issues that I already mentioned but also including immigration. You are like Fox viewers, you believe what some other poster says and then try to make the facts fit your belief instead of the other way around.

You are determined to peg me the way you want, sorry if I don't fit into the hole you decided to put me in.

But you do Danni, snuggly. You just are too blind to see how deep in it you are. If it were just me seeing it, or even just a few, you may have a point, but it is not just a few. Almost everyone who posts here: be they left, right, or non-party, all sees you the same way. Only you don't see it, yet claim it is our vision that is the problem and not your reality. Shame. You have me sympathy.

"SANOBAMA, HERB, DOCDICKHEAD and DANNI, THAT IS ME!"

I appreciate the honor of being associated with the others you mention. I wouldn't rate myself quite so highly but I will happily accede to your intended insult.

"But you do Danni, snuggly."

Believe what you want Kanrei, you have a need to attack me lately, that's fine, Im used to it and from lots worse than you.

By this time of day Danni has smoked up about sixty five pounds of weed and has no idea what she said in a post five minutes ago. I can also see that she has skipped her little nappy-poo and is on the same planet with Buffaloed-Boob. No sense trying to reason with her or pointing out how illogical her rants are....just play with her for the entertainment. She can be very amusing at this stage.

Keep trying but sorry you're failing miserably to make the case that I giv Obama a pass on everything.

I haven't said that you give obama a pass on everything. I said you've given him a pass on the things I listed above because you're scared shitless that some crazy replubofundie is going to blow some shit up.

Hello Danni, welcome to the recently vacated position of the Right. Enjoy your stay.

Look out I'm coming after you. (But I did pay my taxes)

#134 | Posted by ozzieoswald

I'm nearly as frightened as I would be of a 5 year old wearing his Halloween ghost costume running up and yelling Boo!

No attack Danni. I was not even talking to or about you until you injected yourself into it. You said "
"The right was guilty of supporting laws as if there would never be another Democrat in the White House and right now the left is guilty of supporting laws as if there is never going to be another Republican in the White House."

What law is the left guilty of supporting as if there is never going to be another Republican in the WH????

#48 | Posted by danni at 2009-04-14 12:30 PM
"

The quote you quoted was mine, but it was not addressed to you, so you invited yourself. It was actually addressed to AFK. Then you return at 01:25 PM with:

BTW Kanrei, you still never answered my question. What laws are the Obama administration enforcing as i there will never be another Republican administation (which is actually a possibility BTW)?

#59 | Posted by danni

Don't enter the kitchen if you cannot take the heat. You jumped in the line of fire, I never aimed for you.

"Hello Danni, welcome to the recently vacated position of the Right. Enjoy your stay."

The last left wing bombing was back in the sixties.
The last right wing terrorist attack was much more recent. I plead guilty to fearing that these crazies will do something violent. I hope that the Obama administration, just as the Bush administration would have been, is vigilant in watching these crazy people.
That in no way says that I approve of either Bush or Obama tapping our phones without warrants.
The Constitution....a little thing that bothers me when it is violated regardless of who is doing the violating.

"Don't enter the kitchen if you cannot take the heat."

I haven't felt any heat, just a slight breeze of miscalculated accusations.

Pop Quiz: Name a Liberal Extremist Militia Organization which owns a compound, stockpiles vast amounts of weaponary, associates with other organizations who have long histories of encouraging social unrest and widespread violence, and awaits the obviously impending civil war our country is allegedly destined for?

...snide comments aside, I couldn't think of one either. I think the worst I could dream up were PETA and the NAACP. Not exactly groups anyone is very threatened by....except AFK.

CAn't say as I do. That simply does not compute. I do fear that right wing terrorists are out there, I do believe the FBI should be infiltrating, etc. just as they would Al Quaeda terrorists and tapping their phones but that in no way means that the FBI or anyone else should be tapping all of our phones without warrants and without even getting after the fact warrants. How is that changing my tune??

Based on this statement, not only does Danni support the Patriot act, she supports surveillance of American citizens without due process. Who knew that self proclaimed liberal Danni supports the most draconian portions of the PATRIOT act and Military Commissions Act?

Except for one little thing IRAQIBUKKAKE...

"but that in no way means that the FBI or anyone else should be tapping all of our phones without warrants and without even getting after the fact warrants."

Warrants! You remember from back when we still had a constitution, you know with judges and stuff...

E.L.F.

No Danni,
You very clearly do not want all of our phones tapped without warrents, just anyone you consider a right wing terrorist, even though you have no proof of any such charge, you just don't like the group.

but also groups that reject federal authority in favor of state or local authority.

"It may include groups and individuals that are dedicated to a single-issue, such as opposition to abortion or immigration," the warning says.

If you support state's rights, you are a rightie;
If you oppose immigration, you are a rightie;
If you favor local authority, you are a rightie;
If you oppose abortion, you are a rightie; and subject to unwarrented searches per Danni.

Name a Liberal Extremist Militia Organization which owns a compound, stockpiles vast amounts of weaponary, associates with other organizations who have long histories of encouraging social unrest and widespread violence, and awaits the obviously impending civil war our country is allegedly destined for?

Well, I'm not sure if they stockpile weapons or live on a compound, but they do participate in what has been classified as terrorism.

ELF. ALF.

The last left wing bombing was back in the sixties.

What about the UFF? Well, they're a little old. I guess they fall under the "well, that was so long ago" terrorist clause.

The United Freedom Front (UFF) was a radical U.S.-based left-wing organization which was responsible for a string of attacks in the late 1970s and 1980s.

The last right wing terrorist attack was much more recent. I plead guilty to fearing that these crazies will do something violent. I hope that the Obama administration, just as the Bush administration would have been, is vigilant in watching these crazy people.

If the Obama administration manages to thwart a terrorist attack by Right Wing Extremists using warrant less wiretaps, "alternative interrogation techniques" and other methods considered "naughty" by you and yours a year ago, will that be okay with you?

Except for one little thing IRAQIBUKKAKE...

"but that in no way means that the FBI or anyone else should be tapping all of our phones without warrants and without even getting after the fact warrants."

Warrants! You remember from back when we still had a constitution, you know with judges and stuff...

Obama: I declare you an enemy combatant...behind closed doors, without telling you. That takes care of the whole warrant thing...you know all that constitution stuff you pretend to be concerned about?
BTW, I'm still waiting for Obama to give back all those Civil Rights back that have been taken from me by Dubya.

And the only thing miscalculated is your view of youself: you are everybit the partisan you love to attack, only on the other side. You regularly admit to it except when being a partisan is proven to be bad. If only you could see yourself for how you show others you are, you might make the correction if your online self is not reflective of your real views.

"No Danni,
You very clearly do not want all of our phones tapped without warrents, just anyone you consider a right wing terrorist, even though you have no proof of any such charge, you just don't like the group."

You are full of balogna, I have always wanted the government to have the ability to investigate whatever they need to, they just need to convince a judge of that need, they can even do it after the fact but they need to have a judge review it.
I don't care if the threat is right/left/Muslim/Christian/
whatever....protect all of us but abide by the constitution while you are doing it.

Timothy McVeigh

We'd be fools not to pay attention to the next Timothy McVeigh. Legally.

You are full of balogna, I have always wanted the government to have the ability to investigate whatever they need to, they just need to convince a judge of that need, they can even do it after the fact but they need to have a judge review it.

Except they don't.

I don't care if the threat is right/left/Muslim/Christian/
whatever....protect all of us but abide by the constitution while you are doing it.

Laughable.

If they didn't notice and infiltrate these lunatics it would be irresponsible. Sooner or later some of these psychos are going to commit a terrorist act I think. I feel more danger from right wing psycos right now than from Al Quaeda.

#5 | Posted by danni at 2009-04-14 10:46 AM |

I have always wanted the government to have the ability to investigate whatever they need to, they just need to convince a judge of that need, they can even do it after the fact but they need to have a judge review it.
I don't care if the threat is right/left/Muslim/Christian/
whatever....protect all of us but abide by the constitution while you are doing it.

#153 | Posted by danni at 2009-04-14 03:30 PM

One of these things is not like the other/
One of these things just doesn't belong/
Can you tell which thing is not like the others/
By the time I finish my song?

Did you guess which thing was not like the others/
Did you guess which thing just doesn't belong/
If you guessed this one is not like the other/
Then you're absolutely...right/

- being a partisan is proven to be bad

Aside from Danni being one of the posters I usually read, I have to say that I have seriously considered buying stock in whoever makes the most popular hemroid creme based solely on the what must be the hugely significant purchases of such by those who continouosly ride the fence here on the ol' DR.

I know it is convenient never to have to fully take a side, but it must be awfully painful.

"If the Obama administration manages to thwart a terrorist attack by Right Wing Extremists using warrant less wiretaps, "alternative interrogation techniques" and other methods considered "naughty" by you and yours a year ago, will that be okay with you?"

NO it won't and there is no real reason that we can't protect ourselves and still follow the constitution. BAck during Clinton's era they got the ability to tap first and get the warrant later, that should be sufficient.
We either have a constitution or let's just trash it but pretending is ridiculous.

I know it is convenient never to have to fully take a side, but it must be awfully painful.

Posted by Corky at 2009-04-14 03:33 PM

I take a side on every issue, but I don't let my position on Issue A dictate my position on Issue B, C, or D.

I also don't let my position change just because the government does. If it was wrong for Bush, it is wrong for Obama- plain and simple.

Danni-
You are being consistent in an extra-ideological way. You might as well speak Greek to Axiom.

I know it is convenient never to have to fully take a side, but it must be awfully painful.

#158 | Posted by Corky at 2009-04-14 03:33 PM | Reply

It's not always about sides. Right and wrong should trump party, even for me.

If Obama tortures a bunch of mutts the first thing I'll do (right after pointing and laughing at all of the Obama sycophants) is sing his praises.

Cute song Kanrei but what is your opinion about it??

Whould Obama have the power to tap without warrants???
What about the constitution???
Does it matter???

Easy to make cute songs but harder to take a position and then support it.

"If it was wrong for Bush, it is wrong for Obama- plain and simple."

Gee, where have I heard that before????

Oh yeah, my own post.

I didn't make a cute song, it is from Seseme Street.

What about the constitution???
Does it matter???

It only seems to apply to you when defending the left, but anything does to go after the right. I opposed Bush taking this power and I oppose Obama keeping it. You opposed teh Office of Homeland Security and these vague warnings of radicals, but now suddenly have no problems with it. What changed? Oh yeah, the party in power.

101-
"If Obama tortures a bunch of mutts the first thing I'll do (right after pointing and laughing at all of the Obama sycophants) is sing his praises."

Just out of curiosity, what do you mean by "mutts", and why do you want to "torture" them?

And when the "mutts" are anti-abortion activists suspected of plotting an assasination of a doctor who performs abortions???

Gee, where have I heard that before????

Oh yeah, my own post.

#165 | Posted by danni at 2009-04-14 03:38 PM

You have spun so much between post 5 and post 165 you seem to have lost your point of view. Here it is again for you: If they didn't notice and infiltrate these lunatics it would be irresponsible. Sooner or later some of these psychos are going to commit a terrorist act I think. I feel more danger from right wing psycos right now than from Al Quaeda.

#5 | Posted by danni at 2009-04-14 10:46 AM

You support the infiltration and monitoring of groups without any proof because "Sooner or later some of these psychos are going to commit a terrorist act." DO you know this? "I think. I feel more danger from right wing psycos right now than from Al Quaeda."

Danni-
That's not what 101 means by "mutts", I don't think. I'm waiting for his definition.

And when the "mutts" are anti-abortion activists suspected of plotting an assasination of a doctor who performs abortions???

#168 | Posted by danni at 2009-04-14 03:40 PM | Reply |

Waterboard them, while loud rap music is being played and the room temp if 50 degrees.
Hell, I'll lay boots to them in between questions.

Boyd,
Fucl off. You're simply around for ridicule.

i know this is a little late but,

Name one assasination of a major political figure comitted by a black person, now think how many people angry white men have killed just in your own life time.

#6 | Posted by danni at 2009-04-14 10:47 AM | Reply

ever heard of Malcom X? im sure those African civil wars, and coups d'etat, and assasinations of heads of state were committed by disgruntled white people.

yea, more affraid of people who want to VOTE against you and change the government than terrorists sworn to KILL you. Darwin will get you all.

And Danni, you truly show your ass by giving Clinton and Obama a pass for infringing on the constitution, yet i'll bet a hundred bucks you beat Bush silly over the same thing...right here in these very same threads i bet.

screw all of our "representatives" who take our rights and abuse the constitution.

"Sooner or later some of these psychos are going to commit a terrorist act."

Thought crimes!

Homeland Security warns that gun toting, racist right wing extremists are an increasing problem?

An honest assesment of the situation or an attempt to justify a continued usurpment of individual rights and liberties?

Prolly a bit of both.

Here's the deal.

Tough economic times create more desperate people.

Desperate people commit desperate acts.

Crime in general will go up as the economy worsens with or without organised, gun-clingy, racist, right wing radicals.

BTW, I'm still waiting for Obama to give back all those Civil Rights back that have been taken from me by Dubya.

~Iraqibukkake

Hearing THAT.

After Cheney/BushCo tilted the balance of power towards the executive branch and then abused that power it must be a great temptation for Obama to use that power to full advantage without restoring the previous balance.

While Obama has recinded previous odious, torture-happy rendition programs and returned to the previous Clintonista rendition policies there is still a question of whether the previous programs are really gone or just gone underground more successfully.

The massive wiretaps by colluding telcos and the extensive data mining by private concerns still need to be totally eliminated.

The DoJ needs to thoroughly restaffed by people commited to the ideal of an apolitical justice system.

Governmental secrecy and plausible deniability still need to be replaced with more tranparency and accountability.

People's rights to privacy and individual freedoms need to be restored and protected.

The use of private mercenary armies needs to stop.

While Obama has made some progress in many of these areas a lot of the changes have been cosmetic or more rhetoric than reality.

He needs to do better.

Be Well.

"You support the infiltration and monitoring of groups without any proof because "Sooner or later some of these psychos are going to commit a terrorist act."

Just as law enforcement has done for decades. That does not include violating their rights but it is simply what the FBI and others do when they think there may be a threat. The very article we are commenting on says Homeland Security believes there is a threat. Should they just ignore it???
BTW, infiltration is usually done in an effort to get "proof" and you don't need "proof" to get a warrant for a wire tap, you just need probable cause. The taps are generally then used to get "proof."
You seem to confuse objecting to wholesale ignoring of the Constitution during the Bush administration with legitimate and legal efforts of law enforcement and you seem to ignore the fact that I and many other lefties also object when Obama does the exact same thing and we will continue to do so until he stops.

I really want to hear 101's definition of "mutts", but I understand that Humpty-Dumpty probably has more important things to do.

danni, do you also believe that man-caused disasterists deserve constiutional rights? a court of peers in the U.S.? but our own citizens don't, right?

What if "mutts" really meant a Portugese Water Dog???
Does Obama torture puppies???

You seem to confuse objecting to wholesale ignoring of the Constitution during the Bush administration with legitimate and legal efforts of law enforcement and you seem to ignore the fact that I and many other lefties also object when Obama does the exact same thing and we will continue to do so until he stops

Funny how the very same actions, the exact same laws, change from "wholesale ignoring of the Constitution" to "legitimate and legal efforts of law enforcement." What changed? Oh yeah, the party in power.

What if "mutts" really meant a Portugese Water Dog???
Does Obama torture puppies???

#178 | Posted by danni at 2009-04-14 03:48 PM | Reply

Torture the dog as well. It probably knows exactly what Teddy did after dropping Mary Jo off in the deep end.

I don't care who or what Obama "tortures" as long as he continues to keep the option available.

I don't understand your question EDB.

I believe everyone deserves due process even when it is inconvenient or even results in injustice.
Pinochet died a natural death.
I didn't like it but...

Danni-
Obama certainly would torture puppies if it would allow him to ban God...or guns, which are practically the same thing and he hates both....

Betlelg,
Save us time reading and yourself time typing by just typing the word "DUH." It will get the exact same point across in less time.

Can you imagine the outcry if there was a peaceful NAAWP?

#10 | Posted by member2586 at 2009-04-14 10:50 AM | Reply |

I thought that was the GOP.

"Funny how the very same actions, the exact same laws, change from "wholesale ignoring of the Constitution" to "legitimate and legal efforts of law enforcement." What changed? Oh yeah, the party in power."

A warrant make the difference, if you can't see that then I can't help you.
Hopefully Obama will realize this too, he's a constitutional lawyer I hear so he ought to know the law.
So far though, in this area, he disappoints.

Definition of "mutts" would be cool, 101.

I know I've got you in a spot here because five minutes ago you'd never thought about the definition of a word you use ad nauseam, but still...

"God...or guns, which are practically the same thing"

That says a lot BETELG

Danni clinging to the word "warrent" is funny. Where was that word for the first 100 posts here where you wanted to "infiltrate these lunatics" because you think "Sooner or later some of these psychos are going to commit a terrorist act" and you feel "more danger from right wing psycos right now than from Al Quaeda."

Warrent suddenly became part of your lexicon after being called out for hypocrasy. You can fight with the Bush supporters all day long because they did support this power under Bush, but you cannot play that game with me because I opposed it then and I oppose it now.

why do you want to "torture" them?

#167 | Posted by BetelG at 2009-04-14 03:39 PM

Because he is an attention whore.

Obama certainly would torture puppies if it would allow him to ban God...or guns, which are practically the same thing and he hates both....

#182 | Posted by BetelG at 2009-04-14 03:51 PM | Reply | Flag: Idiot.

I gotta go. great debate Danni. I am looking forward to fighting on your side tomorrow. We seem to be on the same side every other day.

Boyd,
What part of "You are here simply around for ridicule" don't you understand?

You seem to be the only one that doesn't get the definition (besides truthhurts, but he's an emasculated pussy too).

How's the wife? Life in Lubbock?

KANREI they don't need a warrant to infiltrate, that came up when we were discussing wire taps.

You don't have the courage of your convictions, 101. You go after the family when a man kicks your ass for good reason.

Very classy, as I've come to expect.

Define "mutts", or just quit using a term you can't, won't, or are incapable of defining.

It's really very simple, Humpty Dumpty.

Sooner or later some of these psychos are going to commit a terrorist act I think. I feel more danger from right wing psycos right now than from Al Quaeda.

#5 | Posted by danni

Talk about major paranoia. These groups are all talk and that's all they are. However, they will be the only ones ready if there ever were to be a revolution.

Talk about major paranoia. These groups are all talk and that's all they are. However, they will be the only ones ready if there ever were to be a revolution.

#195 | Posted by everlong at 2009-04-14 04:08 PM | Reply | Flag:

Timothy McVeigh would have been ready for a "revolution". Unfortunately, the "revolution" didn't come soon enough for him.

"Talk about major paranoia. These groups are all talk and that's all they are. However, they will be the only ones ready if there ever were to be a revolution."

Hopefully you are right but in the event of a revolution....no one will be ready to take on the federal government. They can stockpile all the guns they want but....come on.....our military would squash them like bugs.

Timothy McVeigh would have been ready for a "revolution". Unfortunately, the "revolution" didn't come soon enough for him.

So he took matters into his own hands. A real nice chap, that McVeigh fucker was.

Lethal injection was too nice.

The Rebulicans took us down a path of security over LIBERTY and you all fell for it hook line and sinker. --Mago

Please tell me of one liberty that you lost during the Bush administration? I'm dying to hear just one liberal give me an example of where their rights have been infringed upon. I've asked the question many many times and have never received an answer.

I don't care who or what Obama "tortures" as long as he continues to keep the option available.

~Airhead

Fuck, yer a moron.

A soul-less, heartless, witless POS with only a passing aquaintance with basic humanity.

But an internet tuff guy extrodinaire.

Gotta give you that.

Why does Spud get the feeling that when 101 uses the term "Mutts" he doesn't use it in the same sense that Obama did when he made his "Mutts like me" comment in an attempt to use humour to refer to his mixed parentage?

Does Obama torture puppies???

~Danni

No, but Sarah Palins voice makes puppies heads explode.

It's a fact!

Be Well.

And, if they were right here in the US we would have good reason to fear them but most of them are not here, while we do have plenty of right wing lunatics who believe they are listening to God tell them a black man should not be president or other such nonsense. I honestly do fear some of these yahoos.

#66 | Posted by danni

So, you believe that there are no Al Qaeda cells inside the US? You're dumber than I thought.

Everlong-
Warrantless wiretaps in secret (still secret). Holding US citizens without trial or even charges for years (Jose Padilla). If you want a personal example, I can't tell you because the Patriot Act made it illegal for librarians or anyone to discuss warrantless seizures.

Dangerous because of crime not terrorism.
Not really the same thing at all and you know it.

#88 | Posted by danni

Not according to your fearless leader Obama. Under his wise guidance, terrorism is now known as a man made disaster. I would say that murder is a man made disaster as well, so the two really are the same and you better know it, because Obama has declared it.

"I've asked the question many many times and have never received an answer."

There have been American citizens, picked up, renditioned, tortured, and never charged. Pretend it hasn't happened but it was even in major media.
Your "question" has been answered many times you just pretend it hasn't.

Does Obama torture puppies???

Your "question" has been answered many times you just pretend it hasn't.

#204 | Posted by danni at 2009-04-14 04:22 PM | Reply | Flag:

Yes.

With that, I'm out. Good day to everyone.

Thank God we finally got rid of Napolitano, She was a wreck! Now everyone has to deal with her and finally my state is DEM free. And the teachers Union finally lost there only friend..Now we can get to business.

Can anyone name me a Right_wing Radical that actually overthrew any governement..Seems they were always all left wing Hitler, Mussolini, Castro, Po Pot, Lenin..and always armed. The left has a strange fear of freedom..But love those armed revolts from lefties..

Napolitano is an Idiot

Just as law enforcement has done for decades. That does not include violating their rights but it is simply what the FBI and others do when they think there may be a threat. The very article we are commenting on says Homeland Security believes there is a threat. Should they just ignore it???
BTW, infiltration is usually done in an effort to get "proof" and you don't need "proof" to get a warrant for a wire tap, you just need probable cause. The taps are generally then used to get "proof."
You seem to confuse objecting to wholesale ignoring of the Constitution during the Bush administration with legitimate and legal efforts of law enforcement and you seem to ignore the fact that I and many other lefties also object when Obama does the exact same thing and we will continue to do so until he stops.

You are forgetting the most important part Danni...and that is the significance of tying American citizens to terrorism based on nothing but pure conjecture. Once you have done that, trampling on the rights of citizens without proof or probable cause is a mere formality.

By the way, I noticed the article said something about "right-wing radicals" blaming "jewish cabals"..The left wouldn't let us use their scapegoat anyway. plus any group that blames jews is whacked anyway, the Jews are always a good scapegoat. As a tragically caucasian right wing nut, i can say this it has nothing to do with President Obama or Gun-control The feeling that the country is being taken way comes from the 535 Morons in congress and the beltway insiders who play politics with our lives. those are the people causing all the heartburn

Can anyone name me a Right_wing Radical that actually overthrew any governement..Seems they were always all left wing Hitler, Mussolini, ...

Um, just because you're a loud idiot, it doesn't make you less of an idiot.

Bleah. Have a good night and get a good sleep for your tea-bagging FNC extravaganza tomorrow.

I'm thinking of a sandwich. A really good sandwich...

Adios

no one will be ready to take on the federal government. They can stockpile all the guns they want but....come on.....our military would squash them like bugs.

#197 | Posted by danni

And just how do you know how it would play out? By the time it got to that point, much of the military may just be ready for a little payback to their bosses. One thing is certain, it would be a lot bloodier than you think it would be. Sure, the military would win in the end, but not until a lot of people were killed, on both sides. I don't think you realize just how many guns there are in the private sector in this country. The military has been given one hell of a fight in Iraq and those are just guys with guns and a few rocket propelled grenades. Why would it be any different here? And no I don't want anything like it to happen.

Danni is an idiot, Military guys would not fire on US Citizens, especially working class hguys like themselves, But we do have something waiting for you lefties..and they can be bought..YUMMY

Warrantless wiretaps in secret (still secret). Holding US citizens without trial or even charges for years (Jose Padilla). If you want a personal example, I can't tell you because the Patriot Act made it illegal for librarians or anyone to discuss warrantless seizures.

#202 | Posted by BetelG

I asked what liberties were taken from you personally. Every time a liberal bitches about this they talk about it like it is happening to them. "They're taking my rights away" and such. Besides, the real matter is that we were extraordinarily attacked and that called for extraordinary measures. It's happened many times in our history. Except this time we didn't round up every Muslim and put them in camps. The Patriot act, while not perfect, was neccessary and has done much good for the security of the country. It's unfortunate that the left hates Bush so much that they have had to scream bloody murder over something that has been protecting them.

Now, Obama has continued the practice and hardly a peep is heard from the left. But they're funny that way, right?

Dangerous because of crime not terrorism.
Not really the same thing at all and you know it.

#88 | Posted by danni at 2009-04-14 01:46 PM

You've said many times that terrorism should be handled by law enforcement, and even use it as standard praise for Bill Clinton.

Now you choose to make a distinction because it's convenient for your lame argument.

Make up your mind.

There have been American citizens, picked up, renditioned, tortured, and never charged. Pretend it hasn't happened but it was even in major media.
Your "question" has been answered many times you just pretend it hasn't.

#204 | Posted by danni

Yes, but what has happened to you, Danni. You keep saying that your liberties have been taken away and I'd like to know which ones. As for the renditions, an unfortunate neccessary by-product of a program that has provided security in unsecure times. But you don't care of the good that the Patriot Act has done. You also don't care that almost every congressperson voted for it. You also don't care that it is legal. You just want something else to bitch about Bush.

There's been a run on guns, which have doubled in price.

I asked what liberties were taken from you personally. Every time a liberal bitches about this they talk about it like it is happening to them. "They're taking my rights away" and such. Besides, the real matter is that we were extraordinarily attacked and that called for extraordinary measures. It's happened many times in our history. Except this time we didn't round up every Muslim and put them in camps. The Patriot act, while not perfect, was neccessary and has done much good for the security of the country. It's unfortunate that the left hates Bush so much that they have had to scream bloody murder over something that has been protecting them.

See Danni, I consider this guy to be as full of shit as someone who defends Obama doing the exact same thing right now. So did you, six months ago.

And don't forget, it wasn't long ago that we rounded up every Japanese American and put them into camps. We didn't round up Muslims this time around. Much worse has been done in the name of national security and none of it is ever perfect. But people like you just want to bitch about it no matter what good it does. Especially when it's done by a president with an R next to his name.

See Danni, I consider this guy to be as full of shit as someone who defends Obama doing the exact same thing right now. So did you, six months ago.

#217 | Posted by IraqiBukkake

And I see you as someone who is full of ignorance. If it were up to you we would have changed nothing after 9/11. It doesn't matter to you that the Patriot Act is legal. It has had some unfortunate outcomes, but has done far much good for security. After every major emergency this country has been through someone has always ended up getting screwed over. It's reality. But I guess you want perfection where it can't be had. You see the Act as nothing but evil, while forgetting that it has helped foil other attempts and has secured the country better than pre 9/11.

But you don't care about all that. You just have an unhealthy fear that government is out to get you at all costs and is willing to forego the Constitution and Bill of Rights on purpose just to make trouble for ordinary American citizens. In your mind, Bush wasn't trying to protect the country, he was trying to fuck over Americans.

I have to say that I have seriously considered buying stock in whoever makes the most popular hemroid creme based solely on the what must be the hugely significant purchases of such by those who continouosly ride the fence here on the ol' DR.

I know it is convenient never to have to fully take a side, but it must be awfully painful.

Holding a position on something and sticking to it regardless of party is called principles, not fence sitting. It is the opposite of hypocrisy (neo-pragmatism). It is far more convenient to base your positions on nothing but party because then you never have to defend anything when you have the option of hiding behind "fearless leader".

"You are forgetting the most important part Danni...and that is the significance of tying American citizens to terrorism based on nothing but pure conjecture."

That isn't true at all. they implicate themselves in their own public statements, web sites, publications. A law enforcement agency could legitimately view some of their public materials and conclude there was a liklihood that crimes were being either committed or planned. That would justify thier decision to investigate them and it should not matter what their political view point is. Are you going to try and tell me that the Bush administration did not investigate Code Pink? I'm not even saying they shouldn't have, to a point. Same is true now with these people. IF they find nothing then great but you know you suspect, just as I do, that there really are a few hard core nut cases who are planning all sorts of things. You can pretend you don't but you know you do, you'd have to be blind, dumb and crazy not to. Thankfully, it doesn't sound like everyone at Homeland Security is blind, dumb and crazy. To ignore the potential threat would be equivalent to the Bush administration's incompetence pre-9-11 and pre-Katrina.

I feel more danger from right wing psycos right now than from Al Quaeda.

#5 | Posted by danni at 2009-04-14

Looniest Post Ever!

LPE for sure.

-------

This is liberal fascism at work. Along with the Alinsky Rule #13 for good measure.

And the due process is a bumper sticker to get you.

There are 250 Tea Parties tomorrow across the country and the likes of Danni wants them all photographed and seized.

Napalitano should be fired.

That is funny.... The extremists want to hire vetrans of the gulf war.... The left extremists were too scared of them I guess... or is it that no self respecting out of control pts vet will associate with the left extreme? Getting stranger every day.

If it were up to you we would have changed nothing after 9/11. It doesn't matter to you that the Patriot Act is legal. It has had some unfortunate outcomes, but has done far much good for security. After every major emergency this country has been through someone has always ended up getting screwed over. It's reality. But I guess you want perfection where it can't be had. You see the Act as nothing but evil, while forgetting that it has helped foil other attempts and has secured the country better than pre 9/11.

9/11 was nearly 8 years ago. How much more cargo do we inspect that comes into this country now than we did prior to 9/11? That's right, zero. How much more secure is the border now than it was prior to 9/11? That's right, zero. If the PATRIOT act had been passed in conjuction with shoring up these two areas (two real and major threats) you would have a leg to stand on. Seeing that it hasn't, you don't.

Since you're willing to fork over your rights because "it has helped foil other attempts", would you scrap the Patriot Act if another attack occurs? Don't forget, we knew 9/11 was going to happen prior to 9/11 and nothing was done, without the Patriot Act. (See Sibel Edmonds)

You just have an unhealthy fear that government is out to get you at all costs and is willing to forego the Constitution and Bill of Rights on purpose just to make trouble for ordinary American citizens. In your mind, Bush wasn't trying to protect the country, he was trying to fuck over Americans.

Not in my mind. That is reality. The PATRIOT Act has been used on strip club owners and the homeless. The whole point is to blur the line so severely between terrorism and everything else that eventually everyone becomes a terrorist. That's the point of this thread today.

You talked about the PATRIOT Act and "what has it done to you personally". The government has infringed on me and my rights more than any terrorists have.

That isn't true at all. they implicate themselves in their own public statements, web sites, publications. A law enforcement agency could legitimately view some of their public materials and conclude there was a liklihood that crimes were being either committed or planned. That would justify thier decision to investigate them and it should not matter what their political view point is. Are you going to try and tell me that the Bush administration did not investigate Code Pink? I'm not even saying they shouldn't have, to a point. Same is true now with these people. IF they find nothing then great but you know you suspect, just as I do, that there really are a few hard core nut cases who are planning all sorts of things. You can pretend you don't but you know you do, you'd have to be blind, dumb and crazy not to. Thankfully, it doesn't sound like everyone at Homeland Security is blind, dumb and crazy. To ignore the potential threat would be equivalent to the Bush administration's incompetence pre-9-11 and pre-Katrina.

Did you read the report Danni?

rejecting federal authority in favor of state or local authority, or rejecting government authority entirely. It may include groups and individuals that are dedicated to a single issue, such as opposition to abortion or immigration.

Are people who oppose illegal immigration those that should be surveilled? That's a lot of people who are now potential terror suspects that should be investigated. Do you this this dilutes the significance of who we need to be keeping an eye on?

Do you think people who oppose abortion should kept an eye on? How about veterans returning from Iraq? That's what this document suggests.

This is the functional equivalent of a million people on the no-fly list. Eventually everyone becomes a suspect. Further blurring the lines between terrorist and everyone else.

No surprise.... under Obama's administration, the liberals are positioning to find excuses to give conservatives a difficult life.... beginning with a theory from 'Homeland Security'.

#4 | POSTED BY MEMBER2586
Ok, so "white power" is bad, but Congressional Black Caucuss is ok. "White power" is bad, but National Association for the Advancement of Colored People is ok.

--Neither the Congressional Black Caucus nor the NAACP is seeking the elimination or destruction of the white race. Can't say that about white power groups.

What a curse being a rational clear thinking person. I am the only one that gets this? Does anyone else even see this ass a problem?

--Due respect, but a "rational clear thinking person" would not have to be reminded of my first point. In this particular instance, I would call your point neither rational nor clear-thinking.

Or are we going to be treated to the same excuses in order to excuse the racist behavior of blacks in America?

--I'm with you on this last point. Racist behavior from any group should not be excused.

As a white male, I'm very aware of the fact that at least as much racism is directed AT people who look like me as is coming FROM people who look like me. It's an inconvenient truth people don't like to acknowledge.

But any past crimes of one "group" of people should not be used to excuse bigotry from another "group" of people.

Nonetheless, while politically-oriented organizations of all stripes tend to "overdue it", I'd hardly compare the CBC or NAACP with the KKK or any white power group. Beyond the obvious racial identity aspect, there is no rational comparison.

Why do we have to continue to remind the Right-Wingers that they lost the election?

You lost Righties. Try harder next time. Until then, enjoy the bench.

Everyone lost in the election Manypaths, everyone in America lost when Hussein was elected president.

It becomes clearer every day.

Score Board Bitch!

Republicans = ALL TIME LOW.

Sorry, just laughing at you.

Why do we have to continue to remind the Right-Wingers that they lost the election?

You lost Righties. Try harder next time. Until then, enjoy the bench.

If the Dubya Administration's DHS had pushed a document out to local law enforcement outlining that individuals with a pro-choice position were potential terrorist threats that need to be monitored, what would your thoughts be?

Abuse of government power is not right/left.

If anyone cares--

Savage has Rick Perry on today in half an hour.

Can stream from here.

Click the purple button

This is what Republicans get for running McCain/Palin.

There's nobody better? Romney is the front runner?

These right wing groups/individuals do have a history of domestic terrorism. I am glad that they are being watched.

We don't need another Waco and we don't need these terrorists blowing up clinics.

These people have performed terrorist activities in the past and should be watched for similar activity in the future.

If anyone cares--

Savage has Rick Perry on today in half an hour.

Can stream from here.

Is this this where Governor Bilderberg comes out and says "disregard the Trans-Texas Corridor and NAU that I was drumming up support for last year, I'm really anti-NWO starting today"?

These right wing groups/individuals do have a history of domestic terrorism. I am glad that they are being watched.

We don't need another Waco and we don't need these terrorists blowing up clinics.

These people have performed terrorist activities in the past and should be watched for similar activity in the future.

Sure...sounds good.

Do you support them being declared enemy combatants at the whim of Obama?

IB--why don't you listen and hear what he says himself.

Many--Waco was the fault of Reno. As for abortion clinics--when was the last time that happened?

And here is the open letter from Rehben--American Legion-- to Napalitano

Here is another example of where Americans can see where Democrats are much more interested in finding American citizens, who they partisanly hate, to infer that they are the terrorists.

On the other left hand (both hands are of that ilk) they seem very disinterested in other forms of terrorism; e.g., giving a billion to Hamas, a terrorist organization bent on the genocide of an entire peoples.

Where are the rightwing, then? What rockets are impacting Washington, D.C., Baltimore and Bear Creek? No? Then, where are the militia dressed in camoflage blowing themselve's up in Manhattan coffee shops and restaurants? No?

NO! None of that!!!

Yet, Homeland Security issues "Warnings?" About, our servicemen? About conservatism being terrorism? About loayalty and patriotic service to country deserves to be WATCHED???

Yeah, the camps won't be long in being constructed, while Democrats arm a Youth Corps they've just authorized, with the Democrats cheating to win elections, and making conservative/rightwing Americans subjects for investigation.

The Democrats thank "God" (or the state) that the CIA can spy in the USA, now, as they've authorized ... and used them in the Plame Affair to discredit a president during a time of war.

Yeah, you Democrats will do anything to gain power, lie, cheat, steal trillions from the future to keep your verminous party in control ...

Let's see if you can cheat the nation at the next election.

As for abortion clinics--when was the last time that happened?

When the wackos of the right that this article mentions feared the Democrat in the White House.

Thanks for playing.

IB--why don't you listen and hear what he says himself.

I know exactly what he's going to say. He's detected a sea change from neoconservatism to Ron Paul style conservatism and is attempting to frame himself as such. Just like "the great patriot" Glenn Beck, who six months ago called Ron Paul and his supporters terrorists (hmm...that sounds familiar) is now the self appointed leader of the populist conservative movement. They are both lying frauds.

So nothing has occurred?

You lose. Thanks for playing.

What is amazing is that people go to the polols and vote to keep marriage as one man and one woman and the gays go to the streets and get violent with others.

And the DHS wants to target people who want traditional marriage.

It is amazing how fucking stupid you are Murphy.

Simply fucking amazing.

No wonder Lykus considers you nothing more than what you are. A depository.

Why do we have to continue to remind the Right-Wingers that they lost the election?

You lost Righties. Try harder next time. Until then, enjoy the bench.

#228 | Posted by Manypaths

What exactly is that supposed to mean? Do you mean that since Obama won that we must now just quit talking and dissenting? I can draw no other conclusions as to why you would say something like that. Let me give you a clue, Manypaths, the election wasn't a game between dems and repubs. When Obama won it didn't mean that every rightie in the country suddenly became a loser.

I've seen others espouse this same viewpoint and it baffles me to no end. Maybe it's just an immature reaction to republicans voicing their opinions of Obama. Because I can tell you this, you won and we lost means absolutely nothing.

#144 | Posted by Sycophant

The Fuerzas Armadas de Liberacin Nacional (English: Armed Forces of National Liberation, FALN) was a Puerto Rican clandestine paramilitary organization that, through direct action, advocated complete independence for Puerto Rico. At the time of its dissolution, the FALN was responsible for more than 120 bomb attacks on United States targets between 1974 and 1983.[1] The United States Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) classifies the FALN as a terrorist organization.

The organization's ideological basis consisted of five reforms that they expected to implement, these were:
"

1. Directing the armed and political struggle in accordance with the Marxist-Leninist principle of a broad front including a popular sectors willing to [ join ] the armed struggle right away[6]
2. Agglutination of all forces based upon the principle of coordination between political work and military work under the leadership of a party composed of combatants assigned to different tasks[6]
3. Application of the principle of internal ideological debate, a study of Marxist-Leninist ideology and the use of criticism and self-criticism[6]
4. Implementation of the Stalinist ideological position on the concept of "nation" with regard to American reality
5. Application of the principle of the priority of the struggle for independence of Puerto Rico over any question of internal solidarity, demanding concrete support for our armed struggle as a priority matter in the international struggle against colonialism

Sounds pretty left to me

I've seen others espouse this same viewpoint and it baffles me to no end. Maybe it's just an immature reaction to republicans voicing their opinions of Obama. Because I can tell you this, you won and we lost means absolutely nothing.

It really is sad that you cannot see the way that Obama is uniting this country.

You rightards found it not only 'OK', but "Patriotic" when "Fresno For Peace" was infiltrated by undercover officers in order to gain intelligence on their activities. Pssssst....They're a bunch of aging hippies who call for peace, but now, when it's heavily armed skin-heads and neo-nazi groups, you think the threat is "overblown".

You clowns amuse me. Now I remember why I come here.

You are being disengenuous CS.

This list potentially includes people who voted for traditional marriage, anti-abortion, vets, 3rd party supporters and peole with bumper stickers that say "Nobama".

It really is sad that you cannot see the way that Obama is uniting this country.

#245 | Posted by IraqiBukkake

That is really funny.

That is really funny.

What's funny is how you prove his point.

Hussein is the most divisive President in American history, he is a far left zealot who is putting other like minded far left zealots in positions of power.

He put some unqualified bull dyke in as the Head of Homeland to turn back the hands of time, this so he can pretend that there is no war on terror.

This story is about distraction, distract attention towards 'evil white people', (i.e. lawabiding Americans) while the muslim terrorists regroup and restrenghten.

Allah Ahkbar, Hussein!

'We can talk to Iran with no preconditions, but Hannity is the Devil!'

-President Hussein-

What is "funny" is how Americans can support the wholesale investigation of political ideology!!??

When Johnson investigated the "Friends" organization, liberals attacked that action as evil and anti-American.

However, the putative "liberals" are now supporting the need to investigate the activities of soldiers being released from active duty, now?

That it is just fine and dandy, to now investigate a whole class of Americans, not just a religious sect meeting with foreign agents and accepting their financial support, as Johnson's spywork on the Friends found out. No, Democrats must make conservatism into terrorism to be investigated for rightwing political ideology!

Liberals now think it is "OKAY" to investigate and spy on Americans, just so they are conservatives, or potentially dangerous ex-serviceperson ...

Scum tyrants revealed for what they are - the Neo-Progressive People's Party of the Left ... hiding behind being "Democrats" ...

'Just remember, the real enemy isn't Radical Islam, it's the returning U.S. war veterans.'

-Janet Napolitano-

That is really funny.

What's funny is how you prove his point.

Whats sad is you don't see Murphy's point. We could do this all day...

Whats sad is you don't see Murphy's point. We could do this all day...

No, what is sad is that YOU understand murphy's point.

Yes we could do this all day and in the end the only fools are the ones trying to defend personal ridicule instead of addressing the issue.

Moneywar says, "Yes we could do this all day and in the end the only fools are the ones trying to defend personal ridicule instead of addressing the issue."

You certainly don't seem to be! Instead, you talk about "ridicule," like a good little misdirector of leftist propaganda!

The issue here is the effort to make a political ideology "suspect."

That is, Democrats are identifying conservatism as a potential threat equal to or greater (Danni thinks greater) than Islamic terrorism - to which the same Democrats have given a billion dollars to in one chunk and to Hamas, bipartisanly identified by Democrats and Republicans as a terrorist organization.

Any investigations of Hamas activity in the USA being called for? NO!!!

The Democrats are going to investigate soldiers leaving the service, and the conservatives they might dare associate with, instead of the "sane" liberals ...

There is the "issue," so let's see you address it, Mr. Moneywar on your high horse ...

Sorry tad, but I found Danni's post correct. I think the right wing extreme is far more terror ridden than any threat from islamic extreme.

The intellectual cowards of the leftist Democrat party literally cannot justify investigations of individuals for their political beliefs.

It won't be long before no one will object, or be threatened with "investigation" and the dire conseuqences of being found to be one of the evil "conservatives," who cultishly cling to their Bibles (or Torah/Talmud, Koran or other book of religious idiocy) and guns.

Their guns should be taken away, and the investigations would then be safe to conduct, even though against the constitution. Progressiveness trumps the constitution when the danger of the rightwing evil may infect neighborhoods, schools and other public places.

The Obama Youth Corps will march in the streets to cheering crowds, satisfied by the state welfare (and afraid of any disagreement), and liberals will be safe, because the Islamic jihadists will see the error of their ways, when the conservatives are gone ...

Whos fucking more out of touch with reality... Tadowe or Jeffndenmark.. I can't decide.

Seriously, is there anyone NOT creeped out by the notion of a nutcase like Tadowe exercising his Second Amendment Rights? The guy is probably on every "no fly" list in the country. If he gets within a mile of Obama he will be tackled by a special unit of the Secret Service.

Knighthawk displays intellectual cowardice, "Whos fucking more out of touch with reality... Tadowe or Jeffndenmark.. "

Thanks for demonstrating that you can't discuss the "issue," right, Moneywar?

Instead, you have to spin the "issue" into being me, personally. Amazing, isn't it? Someone banned from a rightwing blog is your target to attack, instead of investigating for political ideology?

How about one more chance, then?

What would you think of the "issue" if it was conservatives in control of government, declaring liberals to be a threat greater than terrorism?

Would that shoe fit your foot, tovarisch?

What would you think of the "issue" if it was conservatives in control of government, declaring liberals to be a threat greater than terrorism?

Tad "Rip Van Winkle" Owe.

"What would you think of the "issue" if it was conservatives in control of government, declaring liberals to be a threat greater than terrorism?"

Oh dear, how many hundred times have I heard that idea???? And trust me....the Bush administration investigated the hell out of the liberals....including tapping phones.....oh, including the Kerry campaign.....

Moder8 another intellectual coward demonstrator, "Seriously, is there anyone NOT creeped out by the notion of a nutcase like Tadowe exercising his Second Amendment Rights?"

I've exercised my 2d Amendment rights since I turned 18, and bought my first rifle (although my family allowed my use of a .22, since the age of 12.) I haven't attacked one liberal with any of the many weapons I've owned, not even once. So, your fears seem more designed to discredit whatever political speech I might display.

Report me to Homeland Security, all of you! Show how loyal you are to president Obama and send them an email with these comments, if you haven't already. I want them to know that I am a conservative who has a right to exercise my rights under the constitution, and will.

Come and investigate me! Put me in jail for your fear of the evil rightwing, while you give terrorists billions. Billions you should perhaps be saving to build the camps your going to need when investigators really get going infringing freedom of speech, assembly and association ...

That's the rights I support - liberty, individual freedom, freedom of speech, freedom of association and freedom of assembly. Go ahead an investigate those who exercise and support those liberties ...

I think this one instance/"issue" will be enough to force Obama to fire her, but find her a job over on Capitol Hill or a nice Soros business ...

I hope I'm on some blacklist for being a conservative and ex-military intelligence officer, infantry trained and been to war in SEA ...

Put me in jail, you creeps ...

Acorn and Code Pink are ok according to the bho administration?

"HE has erected a Multitude of new Offices, and sent Swarms of Officers to harass our People, and eat out their Substance"
- Thomas Jefferson, Declaration of Independence

Something to think about for you fools who think this is a joke.

Danni can't discuss this "issue," except by saying it is "OKAY" because Republicans did it ...

Yeah, sure, I'll believe you when you produce the studies done announcing that liberals are a clear and potential danger to the security of the USA as terrorists ...

Go ahead, you leftist liar ... show the proof as your Napolitano has so stupidly done in making political belief in conservatism a danger. Where is Homeland Security making announcements against association and assembly of liberal ideology?

No, in everything you "discuss," Danni, it is unsupported accusations and innuendo ... never any proof ... just another intellectual coward of the left ...

The real issue is that you don't like this because REPUBLICANS did do it and makes you the hypocrit.

The real issue here which Danni is missing from Krugman is....BE CRITICAL OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY and stop worrying about all others.

What would you think of the "issue" if it was conservatives in control of government, declaring liberals to be a threat greater than terrorism?

#261 | Posted by tadowe at 2009-04-14 08:20 PM

I AM NOT SCARED TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION..... BUT ITS GOING TO BE IN AROUND ABOUT WAY.....THE GREATEST THREAT TO AMERICA IS NOT TERRORIST....ITS NOT MILITANTS....ITS PARTIANS...PARTIANS ARE WHAT START CIVIAL WARS....our soilders sarcifice their lives for only 2 veiws of political belief....as vast, diverse and great as America is.....its pretty sad we can only define ourselves by 2 political parties

#267 | Posted by tadowe

Danni loves to excuse everything the dems do by pointing to republicans.
If you use that excuse then "bill beats his wife so it must be ok if I beat mine".

Grow the fuck up danni.

re: post 226. NAACP and other groups need Whitey for contributions and to pay their taxes to support their clients.

Gee, cause right wingers don't do anything but pray to me and work hard.

McVeigh is laughing in hell.

if I were to take heed of the comments from the right of the isle, I'd be inclined to believe they've all been indicted as terrorists by the DOJ.

sounds just just like how the left isle was complaining about being labeled extremist traitors a few years back.

so many panties in a bunch.

Everybody chill the fuck out.

just wait 'til Obama "officially" bans guns before y'all start shootin' cops.

to member 2586,

when whites have all the power, you don't need a minority coalition to assuage influence.

NAACP, Black Congressional caucus, etc. came about because blacks were actively put down and marginalized.

Would you consider the negro baseball league a racist institution? Regular baseball was white baseball (or white enough as plenty of hispanics were let in). Groups stick together when excluded from society.

In this day and age it could be argued that such organizations are obsolete, but to discount the origins of these groups as inherently racist glosses over an immense amount of history.

It is a shame, because you are smarter than that.

#81 | Posted by kanrei

No, She's not!

They say:

the return of a few disgruntled war veterans could swell the ranks of white-power militias.

A footnote attached to the report by the Homeland Security Office of Intelligence and Analysis

defines "rightwing extremism in the United States" as including not just racist or hate groups,

groups that reject federal authority in favor of state or local authority.

"It may include groups and individuals that are dedicated to a single-issue,

such as opposition to abortion or immigration," the warning says.

Homeland Security Department does not have "specific information that domestic rightwing terrorists are currently planning acts of violence."It warns that fringe organizations are gaining recruits, but it provides no numbers.

The report says extremist groups have used President Obama as a recruiting tool.

Also among the "terrorists" are those who oppose the oxymoronic idea of "homosexual marriage" that has been voted down in states where it was on the ballot.

And they are using the word "terrorism." Hmm. There are no Islamic terrorists. But there are domestic terrorists.

The original manifesto included reference to Islamics, which was deleted for some reason.

What these creeps are doing is listing those opposed to their political positions and calling them "terrorists."

Imagine a manifesto by rightists that made a reciprocal declarations and declared that people supporting the following positions were "terrorists."

1. Abortion

2. Homosexual marriage

3. Illegal immigration and immigration

4. Opposed to constitutional reservation of rights to the states

5. Advocates of black power

6. Advocates of Latino Power, e.g., La Raza

7. Sanctuary cities for illegals

8. Opposing American military operations

The list goes on. Once the political backlash comes, this zeal for demonization exhibited by the left with demands for criminalization of acts of previous administrations, and manifestos trying to outlaw opposition will set the stage for a banana republic approach to politics and eventually extreme penalties for opposition. The die will have been cast. Bad news.

"rightwing extremism in the United States" as including not just racist or hate groups,

groups that reject federal authority in favor of state or local authority.

How dare anyone understand, honor, and exercise the constitution!!!!!!

The jackboots surely have hit the ground running.

Yea, Polarize the country!!! Good one oh great uniter!! How about beware of radicals!!! Oh, that would turn the eyes on you.

We'd be fools not to pay attention to the next Timothy McVeigh. Legally.

#154 | Posted by BetelG
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Well that's pretty rich, so your going to accuse every veteran of being another Timothy McVeigh weather it's true or not. How insulting!

Did it ever occur to anyone that Timothy McVeigh was mentally ill and not in charge of his mental faculties? Did it ever occur to anyone that had the armed forces and the VA did what they were supposed to do we've never had one Timothy McVeigh? I mean Clinton did cut VA funding after the war and everyone seemed so enthused over the idea they patted themselves on the back like they were brilliant. It occurs to me that the government created Timothy McVeigh because they didn't want to take care of the problem they created.

So given that, both me and my son are veterans does that mean you people want our phone tapped? If you believe that then I'm yelling BS.

Lonnie

You are being disengenuous CS.

This list potentially includes people who voted for traditional marriage, anti-abortion, vets, 3rd party supporters and peole with bumper stickers that say "Nobama".

#247 | Posted by MURPHY at 2009-04-14 07:12 PM | Reply | Flag:

Disingenuous? How so?

I'm using ACTUAL events and you're using "potentially includes"?

The intellectual cowards of the leftist Democrat party literally cannot justify investigations of individuals for their political beliefs.

It won't be long before no one will object, or be threatened with "investigation" and the dire conseuqences of being found to be one of the evil "conservatives," who cultishly cling to their Bibles (or Torah/Talmud, Koran or other book of religious idiocy) and guns.

Their guns should be taken away, and the investigations would then be safe to conduct, even though against the constitution. Progressiveness trumps the constitution when the danger of the rightwing evil may infect neighborhoods, schools and other public places.

The Obama Youth Corps will march in the streets to cheering crowds, satisfied by the state welfare (and afraid of any disagreement), and liberals will be safe, because the Islamic jihadists will see the error of their ways, when the conservatives are gone ...

#258 | Posted by tadowe at 2009-04-14 08:12 PM | Reply | Flag:

Consider yourself on the list, fruit loop.

from near the top...

"Ok, so "white power" is bad, but Congressional Black Caucuss is ok."...

I've got no beef with whites or blacks wanting to
congregate together and affiliate as a group.

However, for some strange reason it's the "white power groups", and affiliated "scared/pissed off white people" groups that usually tend to buy loads of Assault Riffles, store and buy fertilizer in large quantities, and run paramilitary groups that threaten cessession and beware of Armageddon hysteria. Just exactly why is that?

You would think after Waco and R.R. they would have learned that the U.S. Govt. takes these wannabe threats of cessession rather seriously...

and People we don't care if you cling to your Bibles (as some are talking about just above), Heck; you can go off in the middle of the Okiefanokie Swamp somewhere and wear a white robe and burn crosses and tell each other to homeschool your kids into obsolescence for all most of us care....it's when you start storing guns and ammo with intent to use, or want to hang some black kids that we rightly grow concerned, and want our government to intervene...

believe me...leftest groups (Patty Hearsts group amongst others) and black paramilitary groups (Black Panthers come to mind) have both been raided and put down before in the past too...(so cut the why u picking on the Right routine--it's old and it's false)

The government can only tollerate extremism of any stripe to a certain level before it is forced to act...

It's almost never the government, but the Group, that brings down the consequences upon their own heads. And almost always after repeated warnings...

Did it ever occur to anyone that Timothy McVeigh was mentally ill and not in charge of his mental faculties?

That's a cop out. Timothy McVeigh was perfectly capable of knowing what he was doing. He wasn't crazy.

It's still comical to me that, now that the shoe is on the other foot, suddenly we're scared of terrorists again, and the possibility of attack from home grown terrorists is a huge deal.

"Timothy McVeigh was perfectly capable of knowing what he was doing. He wasn't crazy."

And you know this, how?

It's still comical to me that, now that the shoe is on the other foot, suddenly we're scared of terrorists again, and the possibility of attack from home grown terrorists is a huge deal.

What I find funny is that Obama felt that the word "terrorist" was too harsh for radical Islamic shit-stains who would gladly kill themselves if they could also kill a few Americans in the process as "terrorists"; but the DHS has no qualms about labelling American citizens, who might get a bit uppity over the gross expansion of government, as "terrorists".

Leftist PC bullshit knows no bounds.

And you know this, how?

#283 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2009-04-15 09:07 AM | Reply

The court ordered psychiatrist said so, snarky sally.

What I find funny is that Obama felt that the word "terrorist" was too harsh for radical Islamic shit-stains who would gladly kill themselves if they could also kill a few Americans in the process as "terrorists"; but the DHS has no qualms about labelling American citizens, who might get a bit uppity over the gross expansion of government, as "terrorists".

Leftist PC bullshit knows no bounds.

#284 | Posted by JeffJ

That's odd, because the article doesn't mention labeling American citizens as "terrorists" even once.

In fact, it specifically mentions groups such as the KKK, militias, and other supremacist groups that appear to be resurgent.

So are you actually painting groups like that as "American citizens, who might get a bit uppity over the gross expansion of government"?

Really?

"The court ordered psychiatrist said so"

Oh, well, that settles it then, doesn't it?

You don't seem to know much more about psychiatry than you do anything else. Just sashay back into your projection booth.

That's odd, because the article doesn't mention labeling American citizens as "terrorists" even once.

You are correct. I am multi-tasking to an extreme and I screwed that one up.

What the report DID hone in on is rightwing extremist groups. It then went further to extensively employ the following verbiage:

"Might"
"Could"
"Maybe"
Etc.

The report is a hatchet job.

The report is a hatchet job.

#288 | Posted by JeffJ

A hatchet job on the KKK?

A trend toward resurgence in domestic extremist groups is something we shouldn't be concerned about and keep our eye on?

Please don't tell me you're throwing your lot in with the nutjobs that are trying to pretend like this applies to ordinary, everyday conservative Americans.

#289 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue

Read the following link and then tell me that politics has played zero role in this report:

After dick Cheney, just before the 2004 election said that if we voted for Kerry we were going to be hit....it would be impossible for any Democratic administration to trump him for pure partisan fear mongering. After watching the Sarah Palin campaign rallies it would be idiotic for Homeland Security to ignore the potential for violence from those yahoos. The right is trying to play the victim card here because DHS sent out a memo to make people aware of the potential, they didn't accuse anyone or advocate any illegal or extra-legal snooping (as though the Bush administration didn't do both) but still they will whine as if DHS had arrested Glenn Beck and Sean Hannity.

Danni,

If you are unable to see the one-sidedness of this document....

If you are unable to see the one-sidedness of this document....

#292 | Posted by JeffJ

Jeff - this was posted on another thread by ProudLiberal...

A DHS official said the department was not trying to squelch free speech by issuing the report. "There is no link between extremists being talked about in that report and conservative political thinkers, activists and voters," the official said.

But conservative radio talk show host Roger Hedgecock was not persuaded. "If the Bush administration had done this to left-wing extremists, it would be all over the press as an obvious trampling of the First Amendment rights of folks and dissent," he told CNN.

In fact, the Obama administration in January did issue a warning about left-wing extremists. Both reports were initiated during the administration of former President George W. Bush.

Rogue,

Was there any mention of Left-wing extremists in that report? Was there any mention of any other extremists of any kind in that report?

If not, why?

Was there any mention of Left-wing extremists in that report? Was there any mention of any other extremists of any kind in that report?

If not, why?

#294 | Posted by JeffJ

Jeff, are you still multi-tasking? Read my #293 again. There was a SEPARATE report on left-wing extremists released in January by the Obama administration.

north korea -iran-pirates-al queda -taliban-latin american dictaters out there and homeland security worries about extreme rightwing in us-disgruntaled
vets come in all colors and will not all be on the far right
jasman

"
Danni,

If you are unable to see the one-sidedness of this document...."

One sided or one subject???

"Homeland Security Warns of Right-Wing Radicals"

This seems to happen when there are Socialists in office.

This seems to happen when there are Socialists in office.
#298 | Posted by Eddie

Eddie, you've made it clear over and over: You haven't the faintest idea what "socialism" is. And stop humping June's leg.
~Ward Cleaver

This seems to happen when there are Socialists in office.

#298 | Posted by Eddie

Good one Eddie!

Oh, wait...

In fact, the Obama administration in January did issue a warning about left-wing extremists. BOTH reports were initiated during the administration of former President George W. Bush.

www.cnn.com

#300 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue

Funny Flag, Rogue.

#301 | Posted by Eddie at 2009-04-15 12:12 PM | Reply | Flag: My ass was too big for me to carry when it was handed to me so I had to deflect

"This seems to happen when there are Socialists in office."

Seems better to me that what happened on 9-11 when supposedly capitalists were in office. Heeding warnings is the smart thing to do, ignoring them is.....well we all know what happened when warnings were ignored.

And you know this, how?

Already answered.

Oh, well, that settles it then, doesn't it?

You don't seem to know much more about psychiatry than you do anything else. Just sashay back into your projection booth.

Nor do you, for that matter. I'll readily admit that I know very little about psychiatry. That's why we, as a people, have to rely on the "experts" to help us understand. We have to trust them especially when peoples lives are on the line.

Unless, of course, you're questioning the validity of expert testimony and opinion. If that's the case, better dig ol' Timmy up and give him a retrial, because he must not have gotten a fair shake.

I think you're more frightened that Timothy McVeigh wasn't crazy. I think it scares you more to think that maybe he had reasoned the plot out and had decided that his actions were the perfect response to Waco and Ruby Ridge.

Seems better to me that what happened on 9-11 when supposedly capitalists were in office. Heeding warnings is the smart thing to do, ignoring them is.....well we all know what happened when warnings were ignored.

Just don't ride around with a Ron Paul bumper sticker. Ron Paul supporters are right-wing extremists.

Oh, well, that settles it then, doesn't it?

You don't seem to know much more about psychiatry than you do anything else. Just sashay back into your projection booth.

#287 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2009-04-15 09:46 AM | Reply

Yes, that does seem to settle it, Sally. Unless of course you have something that counters that? No? Didn't think so.
Good enough for the court, but not good enough for you? Or are you just trying to butch up and face the "bully"?
Flail your little wrists and huff and puff cupcake, it might make you feel better.

"Ron Paul supporters are right-wing extremists."

And so are veterans, opponents of immigration, tax protesters, states' rights advocates....oh, hell, ANYONE who doesn't get tingles up his/her leg. leg

Perhaps Jest or Axiom could point us to the part of the article that indicates ANY of those groups are included in that report?

"Or are you just trying to butch up and face the "bully"?
Flail your little wrists and huff and puff cupcake, it might make you feel better."

I think ol' Doc left to luncheon on tofu and bean sprouts with a nice latte.

308 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue

I supplied a link earlier doing just that - did you not read it?

San, when you find out the truth of the matter they don't care for it, since it screws up their world view. They'd rather believe what they want to. This happens on both sides mind you, but we are seeing it on this thread.

The Obama admins is f'ing some things up, but this doesn't look like it's one of them. If they aren't warrantlessly wiretapping people and keeping an eye out on some extremists, well that's what you want your police to be doing anyway.

"Perhaps Jest or Axiom could point us to the part of the article that indicates ANY of those groups are included in that report?"

Here ya' go, SanAntone...read 'em up. Don't just rely on some article. Read the report itself. Bad enough you want the government to spoon feed you, now you want ME to do it too!

I supplied a link earlier doing just that - did you not read it?

#310 | Posted by JeffJ

Unless you posted something else, all I saw was a link to a BLOG. And there wasn't anything there saying Ron Paul supporters or "veterans, opponents of immigration, tax protesters, states' rights advocates" in general were included.

Did YOU read the link indicating that this report was initiated by the Bush Administration, but only released now, and that there is a similar report previously released covering LEFT-WING extremism?

and that there is a similar report previously released covering LEFT-WING extremism?

#313 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue at 2009-04-15 12:57 PM | Reply |

I asked somebody else earlier...Was the "similar" report released to local and state LEO as this one was?
Why didn't the report drum up even a fraction of the interest of the MSM that this latest report has?

#312 | Posted by jestgettinalong

Sorry, but the report does not support your contention.

"And there wasn't anything there saying Ron Paul supporters or "veterans, opponents of immigration, tax protesters, states' rights advocates" in general were included."

OK, I'm sure you read each carefully but maybe had trouble with big words, so this first one specifically mentions that bumper stickers for Ron Paul could be used to identify militia members and "TERRORISTS." This is from the Missouri Information Analysis Center.

"The report as leaked included suggestions that political bumper stickers such as those for U.S. Rep. Ron Paul could be used to identify militia members and terrorists[2]. The authenticity of the report was apparently confirmed by Lt. John Hotz, the Assistant Director of the Public Information and Education Division of the Missouri State Highway Patrol, who claims that the report is derived purely from publicly available trend data on militias[1]."

This is verbatim from the Homeland Security document:

"...and those that are mainly antigovernment, rejecting federal authority in favor of state or local authority, or rejecting government authority entirely. It may include groups and individuals that are dedicated to a single issue, such as opposition to abortion or immigration." (Page 2 of 9)
"(U//FOUO) Returning veterans possess combat skills and experience that are
attractive to rightwing extremists. DHS/I&A is concerned that rightwing
extremists will attempt to recruit and radicalize returning veterans in order to boost their violent capabilities." (Page 3 0f 9)

"...that there is a similar report previously released covering LEFT-WING extremism?"

Oh, I see. However, this thread is about a Homeland Security report on right wing extremism. You kinda remind me of when my kids used to say, "...but HE did it too."

"Sorry, but the report does not support your contention."

You are either blind, stupid, in denial, or maybe just naive without reading skills. Maybe all the above.

#316 | Posted by jestgettinalong

My link included some of the same snippets.

Rogue?

"...that there is a similar report previously released covering LEFT-WING extremism?"

Is there a link for this left wing report?

The person in this article couldn't think of one group outlined.

"The report as leaked included suggestions that political bumper stickers such as those for U.S. Rep. Ron Paul could be used to identify militia members and terrorists[2]. The authenticity of the report was apparently confirmed by Lt. John Hotz, the Assistant Director of the Public Information and Education Division of the Missouri State Highway Patrol, who claims that the report is derived purely from publicly available trend data on militias[1]."

I don't see that in the report. Looks to me like someone writing about what someone TOLD them was in the report.

"...and those that are mainly antigovernment, rejecting federal authority in favor of state or local authority, or rejecting government authority entirely. It may include groups and individuals that are dedicated to a single issue, such as opposition to abortion or immigration." (Page 2 of 9)
"(U//FOUO) Returning veterans possess combat skills and experience that are
attractive to rightwing extremists. DHS/I&A is concerned that rightwing
extremists will attempt to recruit and radicalize returning veterans in order to boost their violent capabilities." (Page 3 0f 9)

Yes, and if your read the entire context of the report, they are talking about ISSUES that extremist groups use to recruit. It DOES NOT SAY that anyone who has a conservative view of those issues should be considered suspect.

You guys are WAY over the top on this one.

Jest,

Here is what's kinda funny.

I work nights and listen to the midnight radio network. The show consists of 2 conservatives - Eric Harley and Gary MacNamara, who spend about 1/3 of their show time talking about trucking issues. The other 2/3 of the time they spend talking about politices. In light of this Homeland Security Report, Gary MacNamara was re-hashing about how he was opposed to the formation of Homeland Security when it was enacted on his small venue (at the time) and how countless conservatives would call in and admonish him for pooh-poohing the DHS.

He seems rather vindicated now.

You kinda remind me of when my kids used to say, "...but HE did it too."

#317 | Posted by jestgettinalong

Which part of BOTH reports - left and right - are from the Bush Administration did you not understand?

"My link included some of the same snippets."

We probably need to keep posting other links containing this data. SanAntonioPogue is LD, you understand. He's rides the short bus to school and we need to give him every opportunity to grasp certain facts. Repitition may help. I bet it helped him during the campaign to remember, "Change we can believe in."

I don't know, Jest.

Rogue is one of the most reasonable individuals on this site - I would like to see him dissect your link a bit more; but let's at least give him an opportunity to do so.

Oh, I see. However, this thread is about a Homeland Security report on right wing extremism. You kinda remind me of when my kids used to say, "...but HE did it too."

#317 | Posted by jestgettinalong

No dippy. It means that the administration (Bush & Obama) is doing its job... assessing potential threats and keeping their eyes open.

They are talking about specific extremist groups like militias, KKK, white supremists, etc . They are not talking about Ron Paul or typical conservative Americans. Y'all are treading on JeffnD ground here.

From San's link--

"In fact, the Obama administration in January did issue a warning about left-wing extremists. Both reports were initiated during the administration of former President George W. Bush."

So where is the report on the left wing extremists?

You folks would have gone ballistic!

The woman in the thread article couldn't name one left wing extremist group.

Excuse me if I don't trust the most trusted name in news.

"In light of this Homeland Security Report, Gary MacNamara was re-hashing about how he was opposed to the formation of Homeland Security when it was enacted on his small venue (at the time) and how countless conservatives would call in and admonish him for pooh-poohing the DHS."

Any REAL conservative would be opposed to the formation of DHS. We fought two global wars without one and won, didn't we. Keep growing the government, that's what BOTH parties are doing. Now, Obama has appointed a "border czar." Have you heard about THAT one? I'm gonna be really pissed when some government dickhead makes me remove my shoes at the airport Saturday.

He's rides the short bus to school and we need to give him every opportunity to grasp certain facts. Repitition may help. I bet it helped him during the campaign to remember, "Change we can believe in."

#323 | Posted by jestgettinalong

You can "repit" all the misinformation you want, and keep posting things that are not even in the report, JestnDenmark.

Excuse me if I don't trust the most trusted name in news.

#326 | Posted by MURPHY

Here you go...

Flail your little wrists and huff and puff cupcake, it might make you feel better.
#306 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2009-04-15 12:39 PM | Reply | Flag: The Projection Booth's Always Open

Thanks for your input, Cher; I'll be sure to give it the 4-seconds of attention it's worth.

"In fact, the Obama administration in January did issue a warning about left-wing extremists."

That was before he brought most of 'em into his cabinet. I'm surprised he hasn't commissioned ACORN as the "domestic civilian security force" he talked about. He DOES have them scheduled for extensive participation in the census though.

I would like to see him dissect your link a bit more; but let's at least give him an opportunity to do so.

#324 | Posted by JeffJ

Just read the report for yourself.

Half of what Jest posted was some blogger or pundit writing about what he'd heard was in the report. It isn't.

The other half is an excerpt taken out of the context of the entire report.

Why is a U.S.A. government in the year of 2009 terrified of freedom of/for tea bags?

Sounds like a terrifying type of government, especially for the U.S.A.

That was before he brought most of 'em into his cabinet. I'm surprised he hasn't commissioned ACORN as the "domestic civilian security force" he talked about. He DOES have them scheduled for extensive participation in the census though.

#331 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2009-04-15 01:34 PM | Reply | Flag: I got nuthin' else

Thanks for your input, Cher; I'll be sure to give it the 4-seconds of attention it's worth.

#330 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2009-04-15 01:33 PM | Rep

Translation: I don't have anything to counter the court psychiatrist, so I'll muster up some courage and confront the bully just like mommy said. That's the only way to stop them!

"You can "repit" all the misinformation you want,..."

Aw, gee, I'm sorry. I thought for sure you would have memorized "Change we can believe in" by now. I didn't mean to misinform the other posters. That's OK, Pogue, keep repeating it, I'm sure it'll stick soon. I also made a mistake about the short bus, but I didn't realize your mama drove you to school. I'll try not to misinform any more.

"Name one assasination of a major political figure comitted by a black person, now think how many people angry white men have killed just in your own life time"
#6 | Posted by danni

Organized & committed extremists on either side are scary, I don't think anyone with sense disputes that. I suppose to support how much worse whitey is, you're of course, willing to ignore the excessive amount of black on black crime & embrace the idea that because they haven't been able to hit "the man" that there are less angry black men? What idiocy! Maybe that's because there are less strictly in numbers? Maybe we can have some affirmative action assassinations just so minorities & the left can catch up? Boy, I hope so since extreme leftists have historically done so much good for those they claim to represent just like the fringe right.

It's just like anything with right or left with libs. You seem to be pissed that right wing nuts are just more prepared as opposed to EQUALLY WRONG that nuts from the left! Huh?! Of course that falls in with the fact that "extreme" is objective & with libs, particularly you, & that there are NO extreme leftists in your eyes while EVERYONE on the right is extreme. R=Bad/D=Good formula works everytime doesn't it?!

Someone mentioned white nuts stockpiling weapons for the Armaggedon which is super scary because they are extremests who hate minorities, are willing & able to kill & obviously have an ax to grind. That's absolutely true!

Yet black & hispanic gangs who have white-hating, anti-law enforcement, marching orders & USE those same guns operating in their OWN communities in a manner that is tantamount to genocide are just "gangs" who are "acting out" & "victims of crippling poverty" blah, blah, blah!

Nevermind that many have ties to other countries, the drug trade, trafficking, prostitution, extortion, murder, murder-for-hire, corruption & cross-country operations, etc, etc. They support a leftist agenda for the "poor" & the poor eat it up lock, stock & barrel because they hate the "po-po" & "Dieon drug dealer" gives handouts, while pouring poison & violence into their own back yards all the fucking while laughing all the way to the bank!! Toss out a few turkeys on Thanksgiving & the like & provides what they think they want or need just to get them dependent. Sounds like the fucking government! SUCKERS! Just like fucking idiots who think the white supremacists give a shit about anything other than their own power! Jacking you for coke they bought from a "nigger"! HYPOCRITES & SUCKERS ALL OF THEM!

One can only hope that black power gangs & minorities get every bit as prepared & organized to kill whitey because we, of course, deserve it. Maybe it will be a white politician or public figure Danni & you'll be content?

Sadly for us all, there is plenty of EXTREMIST, stupid, bigot, racist, asshole to go around!

#336 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2009-04-15 01:39 PM | Reply | Flag: I was wrong, and still got nuthin'

"Sounds like a terrifying type of government, especially for the U.S.A."

ANYTHING that threatens the power of the government to have its way unfettered results in the kind of shit we see like this report. I'm not laying it at the feet of a particular party either. Just LOOK at how the federal government has grown over the years and the way the tenth amendment has been abused..

A court-appointed psychiatrist offered one opinion, Cher. That's not the end-all-be-all, even if accepted by a court. There are plenty of disputed opinions voiced in court, plenty of disputed verdicts. Those opinions and verdicts may stand (they also may not), but they can certainly be questioned. I merely asked another poster (not you), how they knew what they knew. For some reason you see that as an opportunity to do another one of your endless Albert Godlman imressions. So, sashay on, Cher, sashay on.

* (U) Rightwing extremism in the United States can be broadly divided into those groups, movements, and
adherents that are primarily hate-oriented (based on hatred of particular religious, racial or ethnic groups),
and those that are mainly antigovernment, rejecting federal authority in favor of state or local authority, or
rejecting government authority entirely. It may include groups and individuals that are dedicated to a
single issue, such as opposition to abortion or immigration.

Several of the terms used in that report can be used to describe Ron Paul supporters. Specifically "Rejecting federal authority in favor of state or local authority"...In other words. Folks who favor the 10th Amendment.

Y'all are treading on JeffnD ground here.

Hardly.

"The letter from the American Legion."

You expect me to believe anything coming from that corrupt organization of right wing extremists?

Posted by SanAntonioPogue.

#344 | Posted by jestgettinalong

Still got nuthin', huh?

Democrats excuse their slanders and libels against conservatism by saying that it is a danger, that rightwing radicalism conducts terrorism and so is open to investigation.

When? Timothy McVeigh? Someone acting in free association with two other's who were involved? Is their association the "militia?"

N O

Was Ruby Ridge a "militia?"

N O

Are abortion clinic bombers the "militia?"

N O

All of those are individual zealots, like the lot that think of themselves as "Yellow-dog-Democrats," on this site are partisan zealots, and would gladly silence conservatives if Homeland Security would do it for them, and as the comments above indicate.

No, this is an effort to be "Progressive" and to undermine the US Constitution and Bill of Rights:

Making "rightwing" association the same as "militia terrorism," but not for any leftwing association(s.)

Making "rightwing" assembly to be a fearful danger as potential "militia terrorism," but nothing to fear from the leftwing.

Making "rightwing" free speech into something that promotes "militia terrorism," but leftwing speech is free and safe - no stain of fear and terrorism for your ilk!

Democrats are becoming the neo-nazis of the 21st Century.

Hail the Victory of Welfare and the New Progressive Utopia Free From the Rightwing Evil!

... Soma Anyone?

"Still got nuthin', huh?"

STILL likin' the Homeland Security report and denying it's derogatory to veterans, huh? The American legion thinks so.
STILL denying the Missouri Information Analysis Center report mentions Ron Paul, huh?

Are you REALLY that partisan, SanAntone. Some here say you're not, but I haven't seen any evidence of balance from you.

Posted by tadowe

But of course, the similar report authorized by the same President and conducted by the same organization about the threat of left-wing extremism is RIGHT ON!

- Tadly

but I haven't seen any evidence of balance from you.

#347 | Posted by jestgettinalong

I'm truly wounded.

It's an OBAMANATION, be AFRAID very AFRAID. And you thought Bush had a big gov. vision. Obama will triple gov. size and scope.

It's scary that groups like ACORN and alike were left out of this brief. Radical groups exist on both sides. But instead of DHS grouping them all together, they decide to only focus on the right.

According to the Southern Law Poverty Center's Intelligence Report spring 2009 issue, there are 113 Black Separatist groups active in the USA. Many believe in the genocide of all white people.

One group The Israelite Church of God In Jesus Inc., believe in the killing of all non-black's in the USA. And they are Jewish. Website ( icgjcmd.org) Just as scary as the Klan.

Be Afraid. LOL

It's scary that groups like ACORN and alike were left out of this brief. Radical groups exist on both sides. But instead of DHS grouping them all together, they decide to only focus on the right.

Posted by RODEGLIDE

Read. There was a separate report on left-wing extremism released earlier. Link previously posted.

Sanan wonders, "But of course, the similar report authorized by the same President and conducted by the same organization about the threat of left-wing extremism is RIGHT ON!"

1) You can't provide any quote where I agreed to investigate leftwing ideology.

2) What are you talking about? What "same organization" are you talking about?

BTW, for Jest - Sanan is a true-blue (they stole the color and should be RED) leftist zealot and has no objectivity, whatsoever.

Thanks sanantoniorouge, skimmed over that part.

I still think to separate the groups into left and right is wrong. One report with a breakdown of beliefs is far more accurate.

"What are you talking about? What "same organization" are you talking about?"

The report linked previously that, like the one at the top of this thread upon which you commented, was commissioned by the Bush Administration, and conducted by the same organization.

You did know the report was ordered by Bush and conducted under his administration, but only released by the Obama administration after it was completed, right?

I still think to separate the groups into left and right is wrong. One report with a breakdown of beliefs is far more accurate.

#353 | Posted by RODEGLIDE

I can't disagree with that. But that is the way the reports were commissioned by the previous administration.

Oh! I see!

Sanan is talking about the "Friends" organization!

I wonder how all of a sudden, religious partisanship is okay, if on the left, and that the "Friends" organization is already recongized as domestic saboteurs by the Johnson administration who began investigating them!!!

Let's see, that was about 1965 and onward that the "Friends" blocked access to military posts and sabotaged railroad transportation at defense industry sites.

Let's see, they tried to block road and rail during the 90's and during the Iraq invasion ... but not during Bosnia/Serbia, two airwars of Clinton and ... oh, yes, they forgot to block the military during the Haitian invasion by Bill, too ...

So, when the "Friends" prove they need "investigation by acting against the best interests of ALL the United States during wars they select to protest ... it is a Constitutional effort to deny them their rights, huh?

What rights? To block the military when it is a Republican as commander in chief while the WHOLE USA is at war, but not when a Democrat is going to war for the WHOLE USA?

That's the "rights" you slavish Democrats want - to deny them to the conservatives, rightwing and Republicans!!!

Scum tyrant wannabe creeps!!!

#356 | Posted by tadowe

You're a moron Tad. I'm talking about the organization that researched and wrote the DHS report that this thread is about.

I'm sorry you embarrassed yourself again by saying something stupid like...

"Democrats excuse their slanders and libels against conservatism by saying that it is a danger, that rightwing radicalism conducts terrorism and so is open to investigation."

...when the report was commissioned by, and conducted under a Republican President and administration.

Man, that's 2 big slips in just a few days for you man.

Sanan displays that typical leftist style, "You're a moron Tad.

You must be a leftist trying to defend why Democrats are attempting to investigate the rightwing, on wholesale, and not just some "organization" that showed they needed it with their lies and misrepresentations.

You want to investigate ALL soldiers and conservatives who might get "together" and agree in espousing rightwing politics. You want to indicate that they are suspicious and that "they" are to be watched.

Of course, that infringes the right to associate as conservatives (of whatever party and since Lieberman and Miller are traitors.)

That infringes the right of assembly, without fear of government "investigations."

It infringes the right of free speech for the rightwing, and laws and regulations limiting it are in the plans ... as any stupid idiot can tell from the calumny issuing from sites like this!

Now, everyone can see that some Democrats, at least, are traitors to the Constitution and Bill of Rights; singling one political spectrum out as evil and a threat to the USA ...

Lying scum of the left proving their zealous and tyrannical natures.

Thank you! Thank you! Thank all of you nazi wannabes for your jackbooted effort to defame and revile an entire political philosophy and make it into "terrorism."

You stupid pricks are soon to be out of office, unless you cheat in all the state's elections as you have in Washington state and Minnesota ...

What a bus full of clowns!

#358
What part of "commissioned by Bush" don't you understand?

You must be a leftist trying to defend why Democrats are attempting to investigate the rightwing, on wholesale, and not just some "organization" that showed they needed it with their lies and misrepresentations.

#358 | Posted by tadowe

Let me try this for you just one more time.

1. The report about the threat of right-wing extremism did NOT come from the Democrats. It was ordered by President Bush and conducted by DHS.

2. A similar report, also ordered by Bush and conducted by DHS on the threat of left-wing extremism was released earlier this year.

3. No one is investigating anyone "wholesale". The last President ordered threat assessments. The current President released the results.

I know you get overly anxious to launch into one of your hate tirades, but you blew it - again.

Tad

Didn't the conservatives under Bush legislate the legal tools that liberals propose to use against conservatives? I was thinking about the Patriot Act and the Military Commissions Act, to name two.

Am I missing something?

According to the Southern Law Poverty Center's Intelligence Report spring 2009 issue, there are 113 Black Separatist groups active in the USA. Many believe in the genocide of all white people.

Spud, just fer a giggle, googled to find the spring '09 SLPC Report.

"President Obongo"

LOL. About as clever as ABKLABKLABAL2's "CuNNt NEWS" zinger.

Scum tyrant wannabe creeps!!!

Get a grip, Taddles.

The right have clearly demonstrated time after time after time that they wannabe Big Brother.

Rtards like yerself think jackboots never go outta season.

The control-freak end of the left in American politics is more like Big Sister than Big Brother.

Smothered in the uber-contolling embrace of Big Sister or ground under the jackboots of Big Brother.

These are the options.

Neither are good options but you gotta at least get the players names straight here.

Ray wonders in support of Sanan, "Didn't the conservatives under Bush legislate the legal tools that liberals propose to use against conservatives?"

This isn't about investigating organizations, this is about investigating political ideology, and threatening to infringe on freedom of association, assembly and free speech ... and here you are Bush bashing, like some leftist supporter ...

"I was thinking about the Patriot Act and the Military Commissions Act, to name two."

What Democrats voted against it? Feingold, round one, and 10 Democrats round 2 - Go fool a leftist, Ray.

As for the Military Commission Act, what don't you like about it, Ray? What political ideology is identified as being terroristically inclined, huh?

Come on Ray, justify why Democrats want to investigate an entire political philosophy?

#364 | Posted by dethspud

Be careful Spud... the last time we ridiculed Tadly with Monty Python humor (Black Knight), he went insaner and sputtered, spit, hissed, and stammered about racism, ilks, calumny, and "its about me, its all about me" for days.

#365 | Posted by tadowe

Tad ignores the fact that he either didn't read, or was unable to comprehend what the whole discussion was even about.

First caught red-faced in a CYA lie, now embarrassed by not really knowing what the heck he's talking about.

Come on Ray, justify why Democrats want to investigate an entire political philosophy?

#365 | Posted by tadowe

Oh.... Link please?

A court-appointed psychiatrist offered one opinion, Cher. That's not the end-all-be-all, even if accepted by a court. There are plenty of disputed opinions voiced in court, plenty of disputed verdicts. Those opinions and verdicts may stand (they also may not), but they can certainly be questioned.

#340 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2009-04-15 01:46 PM | Reply | Flag

Goldidocs,
Unless you can furnish one presented in court that says McViegh was off his rocker then I guess it is the end all be all.
If you want a private conversation with somebody do it elsewhere. This is an open forum, cupcake.

You're a thin skinned sissy. Butch up.

Dethtuber knows I like to receive ad hominem, Sanan, unlike you dimwits.

He posts to shmooze you, and your ilk. Many Canadians enjoy supporting repression of association, assembly and speech (mainly the Eastcoast bilingual crowd and their allegiance to France.)

There's a point! That the Canadian conservatives aren't calling for Francophile Canadians to be identified as "potential terrorists," and to investigate their possible associations with dangerous Canadian service persons getting out after being trained and goind to Afghanistan and the Persian Gulf. Maybe they will form "terrorist" cells to attack British Columbia and force it to spell it the French Way: Colombie, huh?

However, Leftist Canadian's (Franophiles or not) like to put the USA in the way of being tyrants against a political philosophy, so that they can copycat them in "taking care of" any show of Canadian conservatism.

The same zealous extremism but from a foreign agent meddling in politics not his own ...

Sanan goes completely blind, "Oh.... Link please?"

The top of this thread, dimbulb.

#370 | Posted by tadowe

Still hasn't dawned on you yet that you totally messed up and have displayed your ignorance on this topic for all to enjoy.

#371 | Posted by tadowe

Still hasn't dawned on you yet that you totally messed up and have displayed your ignorance on this topic for all to enjoy.

Deth addresses me directly, rare, "The right have clearly demonstrated time after time after time that they wannabe Big Brother."

You are talking to someone banned from a rightwing site, a site no longer with us. I don't support Big Brother and neither do Republicans, who you can bash all day long without contradiction from me, unless you start with the lies.

Along with yourself, the Democrat philosophy is that government will take care of you, while Republican philosophy is to take care of yourself without the government being your "Big Brother," as you socialists yearn for. However, you, as mentioned, can bash Republicans who are really nothing more than Democrats in disguise, as far as Big government is concerned, and without any disagreement from me. Have at it, when it is the point.

"The control-freak end of the left in American politics is more like Big Sister than Big Brother."

Where do you get off insulting president Obama as some sort of international cross-dresser? What kind of Canadian leftist are you, then? I can see that you are well into the hate Obama side of your Canadian character, or lack of, and revealing that you just hate America, whoever might be in charge.

"Smothered in the uber-contolling embrace of Big Sister or ground under the jackboots of Big Brother."

"Big Brother" is socialism, not capitalism, but you try and conflate it with being either rightwing or leftwing. Good misdirection for the dupes which inhabit this site, you skillful Canadian stooge.

Spud is a dufus, and can't even distinguish between political philosophy and economic philosophy; mixing them up like the Canadian class ignoramus he just happens to be.

"Unless you can furnish one presented in court..." blah, blah, blah.
Posted by 101Cherborn

I asked a perfectly valid question of another poster (again, not you) and you responded with one of your patented, one-trick-peony Albert Goldman impersonations. Maybe if you try humping the other leg you'll have a better time.

Butch up.
#369 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2009-04-15 03:40 PM | Reply | Flag: If Wishes Were Horses Beggars Would Ride

Sanan makes me the subject ... go figure!

Good for you Sanan, in avoiding justifying why a political philosophy needs to be suspect and investigated ...

... next you can justify Obama's Youth Association being armed ... or maybe why Christians should be known as "terrorists," while those who fire rockets into Israel get rewarded by Obama giving them a billion, or so?

Give it a try ... or come back with me as your target to attack and make the subject of your neurotic obsession.

If you're looking for a private conversation this isn't the place.

Don't throw a hissy fit you thin skinned little bitch. You asked a stupid fucking question, got an answer you didn't like, and have been flailing your wrists ever since.

There are a lot of really fem acting dudes that post here, but you take the cake, sailor.

McVeigh was sane. That bothers you, doesn't it?

Sanan makes me the subject ... go figure!

#377 | Posted by tadowe

When you completely misconstrue the entire content of a thread, and ignore pertinent facts in order to accommodate your own personal rant, then I guess you ARE the subject. A very clownish one at that.

Get back to us when you are able to stop deflecting and address the salient points directed at you. But then again, recent history indicates that when you discover your error, you'll simply lie about it anyway.

Were you born stupid, Cher, or do you have to work at it? I don't really care much on the McVeigh issue; I asked a question and you assumed it was an opportunity to perform your La Cage aux Folles pirouette. Perhaps hiding out in that closet probably gives you a bad case of the cramps, gramps. God knows you can't stop talking about it.

It is obviously insane to murder indiscrimately or over-and-over calculatingly.

That didn't excuse McVeigh, and rightly so! Individuals or groups who conduct terrorism *should* be suspect and investigated ...

... but not an entire half of political philosophy be investigated because someone who murdered was of that philosophy!

Otherwise, why shouldn't all those on the left, Democrats and "liberals" come under investigation because the Unibomber was leftwing ... ???

Are you blind???

None of you zealots of the left will understand that allusion, now will you? Certainly not, because you are just too f'ing stupid.

You are talking to someone banned from a rightwing site, a site no longer with us. I don't support Big Brother and neither do Republicans, who you can bash all day long without contradiction from me, unless you start with the lies.

Mad Tad the addle-pated assclown is banned from a rightwing site?

Oh Noes! That's proof positive that rethugs aint jackbooted neo-facists right there!

Yes, sarcasm.

/Actually it's more proof that rightwing sites tend towards not allowing free speech than lefty leaning sites which actually supports Spud's hypothesis.

Gitmo isn't proof of a facist trend on the right?
Waterboarding?
Decreased civil liberties in pursuit of unobtainalbe security?
Redefining and supporting torture?
Mass spying on the masses?
Unneccessary war-mongering?
Seeking a supreme executive?
Equivicating dissent with terrorism?

Not facist?

Riiiiiiight!

And Spud is allegedly the mixed up one here?