Drudge Retort: Red Meat for Yellow Dogs
Sunday, April 12, 2009

Having been authorized by President Obama to kill the pirates if Richard Phillips was in imminent danger, the US commander on the scene ordered a team of snipers to open fire when it looked like his captors were about to shoot him. Three pirates were killed and a fourth was arrested, having earlier left their 15-foot lifeboat for medical attention.

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not a good day to be a pirate.

Good Deal. Thank G-d.

NBC is reporting that they sent in the SEALS to rescue this man. A bad day to be a pirate, indeed.

Don't fuck with SEALS.

Let the strafing begin.

rwd

G-d didnt have a damn thing to do with it.

Thank G-d.

Yes, that's it. God had the captain captured by pirates so Christians would thank him for when he released the captain's. Thank you for giving us Larry, God. Without him, DR wouldn't be as much fun.

This is just outstanding!

Today on MTP they were talking about asymetric warfare and how it was that a rag-tag group of criminals could hold off the most powerful navy in the world. There is a reason for this, one word: HOSTAGES. They know we value life and won't do anything to put people in danger. But it if weren't for hostages, they could be blown out of the water in one second. I am sure Obama will benefit in polls from this and it's probably fair since his polls numbers would have tanked if this hadn't ended well.

Don't mess with America! We are not as strong as we used to be, but we will still kick your ass!

Bring the Missouri out of mothballs and obliterate all the mother ships and Somali ports.

And it took Matt Drudge all of 3 minutes to take down that teaser headline titled 'Failure to act' which he has been showing near the top of his website for the last couple of days now.

OCU

We don't need the Missouri-we have 3 Carrier Groups in the area.......It would only take4 2 of them to devastate the entire Continent......

Good job seals! Baddest Mofos on the planet!

Bring the Missouri out of mothballs and obliterate all the mother ships and Somali ports.

Some how I think a shell over a foot across is overkill on a fishing boat. Besides, napalm looks cooler, and keelhauling is more fun (if for some reason we capture a pirate alive). You should know all about that, Cap'n...

very cool that Phillips was rescued

can't we somehow figure a way to tax those pirates??
or maybe, invoice them for the rescue operation??

can't we somehow figure a way to tax those pirates??
or maybe, invoice them for the rescue operation??

You can't put a dead man to work... except in a very specific kind of brothel...

Awwwww Ray thanketh G-d for My creation. I am sureth Thy Mother curseth Thouist G-d for thee "Gift" of thee upon Her Union of Thy Father and Hereth many times. That's sweet Ray. Thanketh G-d indeed.

Larry

We don't need the Missouri-we have 3 Carrier Groups in the area.......It would only take4 2 of them to devastate the entire Continent......

#12 | Posted by frankf55 at 2009-04-12 02:02 PM

Agreed. With the technology we have, we should deal with it NOW.

We don't want another 9 slash 11.

Send in the Death Star!

Bring the Missouri out of mothballs and obliterate all the mother ships and Somali ports.

#10 | Posted by CapnBligh at 2009-04-12 01:54 PM |

In a perfect world!

We are there NOW. The "pirates" fired at Navy ships, it's now time to kick ass.

Too bad they couldn't drill a few good sized holes on the bottom of those Pirate Boats. That aught to fix them right up.

Larry

Details are sketchy and only now coming in....

As of 15 minutes ago.....

American sea Captain Richard Phillips was safely rescued from four Somali pirates Sunday, a U.S. intelligence official said.

Three of the pirates were killed and one was in custody after what appeared to be a swift firefight off the Somali coast, the official said.

Phillips, 53, of Underhill, Vt., was transported to the USS Bainbridge nearby.

The official was not authorized to discuss the matter publicly and spoke on condition of anonymity.

A government official and others in Somali with knowledge of the situation had reported hours earlier that negotiations for Phillips' release had broken down.

Talks began Thursday with the captain of the USS Bainbridge talking to the pirates under instruction from FBI hostage negotiators on board the U.S. destroyer.

U.S. warships and helicopters stalked the lifeboat holding Phillips and his four Somali captors Sunday, while his crew briefed FBI agents about how they fought off the pirates who boarded their ship, the Maersk Alabama.


Yo ho ho and a bottle of rum

and our

U.S. NAVY!

I love these pirate tales.

All I heard on Faux news last night was why President Obama hadn't commented on this situation.

There ya go!

While we're over there deal with the little islamic boot camp thay are running.

We have the technology!

There is speculation about what to do with the remaining pirate. DOJ reviewing, could be brought to U.S. for trial.

Enough with the "poitical correctness".

Deal with them.

Yeah, throw then in Gitmo without a trail!

Sincerely

jerrytarkanian

There is speculation about what to do with the remaining pirate. DOJ reviewing, could be brought to U.S. for trial.

Keelhaul 'em.

I know one retorter who would definitely agree with me.

Yeah, throw then in Gitmo without a trail!

Sincerely

jerrytarkanian

#27 | Posted by member2586 at 2009-04-12 02:17 PM

What is this "trail" you speak of member?

trial.

Why? What rights do they have?

Why? What rights do they have?

I thought Obama was supposed to be different than Bush, closing Gitmo, not torturing, etc.


Yo ho ho and a bottle of rum
and our
U.S. NAVY!

INDEED & Handsomely!

I wonder how they inserted? Seal delivery system via Sub. I doubt they will release that info. We'll find out it ten years or so..

Accordint to what I hear on TV, France is holding 12 Somali pirates in custody, presumably to try them. If they refined, cultured, and civilized French do this, surely the U.S. can do it too.

I thought Obama was supposed to be different than Bush, closing Gitmo, not torturing, etc.

#32 | Posted by member2586 at 2009-04-12 02:21 PM

Who said he was going to gitmo?

Why? What rights do they have?

They had the right to surrender..

Accordint to what I hear on TV, France is holding 12 Somali pirates in custody, presumably to try them. If they refined, cultured, and civilized French do this, surely the U.S. can do it too.

#34 | Posted by member2586 at 2009-04-12 02:23 PM

Only because they will each get a poster of the French First Lady in each of their cells.

They had the right to surrender..

#36 | Posted by Zap at 2009-04-12 02:23 PM

Agreed. Didn't they know times were tough here in the states?

We only have two mil for whatever financial fuck up we're gonna bail out THIS week.

I wonder how they inserted? Seal delivery system via Sub. I doubt they will release that info. We'll find out it ten years or so..

Yeah, I wondered about that, but the lifeboat was a closed capsule - I don't know how the seals would have got into it and killed the pirates fast enough to save the captain.

Bravo Zulu for the boys in blue!!

There is speculation about what to do with the remaining pirate. DOJ reviewing, could be brought to U.S. for trial.

Whatever happened to the good ol' days when you'd blindfold 'em and make them walk the plank.

Yeah, I wondered about that, but the lifeboat was a closed capsule - I don't know how the seals would have got into it and killed the pirates fast enough to save the captain.

Navy Seals can do anything.

WALK the PLANK

www.youtube.com

Zat's Back!

So the 2nd time this guy jumped overboard they finally figured out to shoot the pirates.

Good for him.

Bravo Zulu for the boys in blue!!

Yes Indeed

BRAVO ZULU

Whew! Now, what to do about the pirate-infested waters?

Whew! Now, what to do about the pirate-infested waters?

#47 | Posted by Scrumplet at 2009-04-12 03:03 PM

Look inland.

All I can say is it's about time.

There is speculation about what to do with the remaining pirate. DOJ reviewing, could be brought to U.S. for trial.

Whatever happened to the good ol' days when you'd blindfold 'em and make them walk the plank.

#41 | Posted by CalifChris ,

I believe an attack on a US flagged vessel may be grounds for US trila. Nevermind though, unless he was read his miranda rights, he'll walk free.After all he's just an overseas contingency operator, and he has rights!

Where are all the pants-pissing righties that said Obama was incapable of handling this situation.....HMMMMMMMM???????
??? The pirates are winning? EHHHHHHHH?????

"pants-pissing"

I think the phrase for this year is "panty-waist". "Pant-pisser" is like soooo last year!

Ok. I stand corrected. How about "pencil-necked geeks"??

Barry offered to swap himself for Phillips, but the pirates did not want to trade down....

Welcome home, Capt. Phillips...you did your crew and your country proud...this man is a leader..!!!

Now if he was only a licensed plumber......

Nancy Pelosi must be outraged at the cruel inhumane way the Navy treated those Pirates! All they wanted was some money to buy a fleet of black Cadillac Escalades and replace the RPG's expended during their efforts. I feel a Congressional investigation going on.

How about returning to the old rules of the sea, and hanging them "from the yardarm," leaving their bodies to rot and their eyes to be pecked out by birds as a sign to others considering a piracy career?

Of course, the Somali authorities are in cahoots with the pirates, who share the loot, but retain enough to live a high life with large mansions, beautiful women, fast cars, and booze, etc. We should probably destroy these edifices those of pirates and pols, and their occupants, but newly arisen concerns for this concept of "human rights," which are ideation rather than reality, is confusing us and inhibiting appropriate action. Jefferson just went in their and kicked pirate ass.

By the way, the Barbary Pirates issued declarations that by preying on others, they were acting in behalf of Islam. Little has changed in that regard, the continuing enmity and jihad by the Islamics against civilized folks.

The Austrians declined to accept the Guantanamo scum, whom we have indicated we want to release. Their reasoning? If the Guantanamo scum are so harmless, why doesn't the USA want to keep them? Good question. The French as I recall, have agreed to accept one of the Guantanamo scum. What to do with the pirate? Hang him. Military law. Give the authority to the Captain of the vessel that seized him. Read him his "rights" as a pirate. Short form. "You have the right to die a painful and almost immediate death."

Obama's fault.

Of course, the Somali authorities are in cahoots with the pirates

LOL, problem sighted, there aren't any....

We know one of the Seals--he was married at the place we park our boat.

He called his wife there and told her he was ok and the Captain was rescued.

Go Navy Go!

Head shots--now that is another way to take a photo.

NOw what to do with the rest of the rat's nest?

There are still 240 people in their custody.

And we broke a couple of UN resolutions by taking military action against the terrorists.

Too friggin bad.

But a serious cleaning is in order.

Go Navy Go!

We know one of the Seals. He was married at the place we park our boat. He called his wife to say he was safe as well as the Captain.

Now they need to clean out the rat's nest of terrorists.

There are still 240 people that the bastards have kidnapped.

The UN will be pissed since we broke the resolutions they passed to protect the pirates (terrorists).

Gives a news meaning to head shots.

HOW BOUT THEM SEALS !!!!!

No mercy for terrorists.

VETERANS FOR OBAMA

There are still 240 people that the bastards have kidnapped.

Pay their ransoms, and once the people are safe, start sinking pirate ships. Kill every last piece of fucking pirate scum that tries to take over a vessel - before they get on. You would think this wouldn't be difficult with all the ships every country has in the area. Get the hostages back, and then you're free to kill pirates at will without fear of reprisal since the pirates have no leverage.

The UN will be pissed since we broke the resolutions they passed to protect the pirates (terrorists).

Huh? What UN resolution protects pirates?

Obama's fault.

Indeed!

Pirates & Nuclear Waste R Us

by JOHN H. FARR

APRIL 12, 2009

I decided to take my head out of my navel and look around this morning, but maybe I shouldn't have. Here's another bit of news this Easter Sunday that makes you wonder if Western civilization truly has any right to live:

In 1991, the government of Somalia collapsed. Its nine million people have been teetering on starvation ever since and the ugliest forces in the Western world have seen this as a great opportunity to steal the country's food supply and dump our nuclear waste in their seas.

Yes: nuclear waste. As soon as the government was gone, mysterious European ships started appearing off the coast of Somalia, dumping vast barrels into the ocean. The coastal population began to sicken. At first they suffered strange rashes, nausea and malformed babies. Then, after the 2005 tsunami, hundreds of the dumped and leaking barrels washed up on shore. People began to suffer from radiation sickness, and more than 300 died.

Meanwhile, illegal trawlers off the coast of Somalia have taken so many fish, the local fishermen are reported to be starving. The article in the Independent continues:

This is the context in which the "pirates" have emerged. Somalian fishermen took speedboats to try to dissuade the dumpers and trawlers, or at least levy a "tax" on them. They call themselves the Volunteer Coastguard of Somalia and ordinary Somalis agree. The independent Somalian news site WardheerNews found 70 per cent "strongly supported the piracy as a form of national defence".

Hostage-taking and gangsterism aside, this is the other side of the coin. Western governments did nothing to stop mafia dumping of toxic nuclear waste or fisheries theft assuming this actually occurred but once an actual American sailor is captured, send in the aircraft carriers! Not that I have the slightest objection to rescuing hostages, obviously, just the hypocritical moralizing. But the Lord moves in mysterious ways, as the saying goes: if you dine on seafood in posh restaurants in fine cities all over the world, you may be eating fish caught illegally in waters poisoned by nuclear waste.

That can be the case most anywhere, given what we've done to the Earth I've been leery of seafood for decades for just that reason but in this instance, it's kind of a satisfying twist. Nature's way of taking care of itself, you might say.

******************************
*

OCU

This is a good thing.

Now, all we need are a few proactive measures and we can minimize the likelihood of this happening again.

PS - Obama will likely enjoy a poll number bounce over this. Although he in all likelihood had very little to do with how this was handled, he would have likely taken a poll number hit had this gone poorly; so the probable bounce is fair.

PS - Obama will likely enjoy a poll number bounce over this. Although he in all likelihood had very little to do with how this was handled, he would have likely taken a poll number hit had this gone poorly; so the probable bounce is fair.

Posted by JeffJ at 2009-04-12 08:09 PM | Reply


The Commander In Chief of the whole Military having not too much to do with the outcome of this is laughable on it's very face. Too fucking funny.

Larry

Glad the SEALS kicked ass here - more power to 'em. And a pirate spokesman dude warns of retalation. Retaliation? For standing up to terrorist asswipes? Like we are the bad guys? Eat me.

But Scrumplet asks the real question. What do we do now? Maybe there's a way to bring about a better way of life in Somalia. I'm all ears.

Meanwhile, piracy is a dead end, fellas. You take a ship and hold people hostage, you've committed an act of war.

I thought Obama was supposed to be different than Bush, closing Gitmo, not torturing, etc.

#32 | Posted by member2586

......he didn't order them tortured........just killed.........

.......these are not jihadists........just think of them as Wall Street Entrepeneurs without a stock market.....

"Terrorists your game is through!
Now you'll have to answer to:
America, FUCK YEAH!
Coming again to save the mother-fucking day now!
America..
FUCK!"

"I understand you've been running from the man who goes by the name of the Sandman. He flies the sky like an eagle in the eye of a hurricane that's abandoned."

Sandman is a fucking awesome song. 6 of 5 stars - absolutely classic. Oh, one other thing...

FUCK YEAH!

What a rescue! Can't wait for the movie!

Obama had already given our military orders to shoot to kill and whatever else it took if necessary to save the Captain's life.

When 2 of the pirates stuck their heads out to get a better look, the SEALS (hidden from the pirates' view) could see an AK-47 being held to the Captain's back. The SEALS then made the decision to take them out. Three SEALS each took individual aim at the head of one of each of the three pirates and BAM!

Also was the fact the U.S. could not allow the pirates to get back to land because the U.S. figured it would be all over for the Captain, we'd never find him, and the whole thing would turn into a dragged out international hostage incident.

Way to go U.S. Navy! Way to go SEALS!

Well, Obama haters? Not a bad job on his part either, eh?

Now if only Obama could do something about the Pittsburgh Pirates.

"If he was not in imminent danger, they were not supposed to take this sort of action, they were supposed to let the negotiation process work it out," he said

There it is in a nutshell folks.

Negotiation with terrorists is back.

They attacked a ship and hijacked it.What more is there that is not imminent danger.

This is a simple tactic of Obama to deflect responsibility.

The terrorists will soon learn this and we will have Jimmy Carter all over again.

rwd

Sorry Chris,I don't feel your enthusiasm with Obama.

rwd

Gee, you got that right RWD. This sends an open invitation to pirates to get rewarded for taking hostages!

(You're a complete fucking idiot)

To channel Tadowe for a sec,..: Only Partisan America Hating scum sucking traitors can deny PRESIDENT OBAMA credit for this successful operation. Terrorists beware! A real leader is now in charge! (eat our dust, rightwing scum.)

I think President Obama's competent handling of this crisis is probably giving America's enemies pause. The GWB Maxim of `expect incompetence` has just been thrown out the window.

Well, where are all the Righties who were blathering on yesterday about weak Dem Presidents? Camparing Obama to Carter. Oh that's right, they are the same. All the hostages that were taken on their watch came home alive. How did Bush do in that respect?

Remember The Fifth Element? Bruce Willis' character rescues the hostage and then says "Anybody else want to negotiate?"

rwd --

I was never an Obama maniac, not by a long shot. I just didn't want another 4-8 years of Bush's disasterous policies (deregulation, war profiteering, lopsided free trade deals which have crippled our manufacturing base and thrown millions out of work, etc., etc. ) which would have been guaranteed to take place under McCain -- and you know it.

I had many reservations about Obama and took me a long time to swing my vote his way, and I am keeping my eyes wide open on issues like gun control, etc. BUT I am at least willing to give the guy a chance. The far right have hated him since day one and want to see Obama fall on his face and don't care if he takes the U.S. down with him -- just so long as they can see him fail. Sorry, but I am "country before any political party" and always will be. I don't give a damn which party has a President in office as long as whoever he is takes care of my country.

You wrote --

"If he was not in imminent danger, they were not supposed to take this sort of action, they were supposed to let the negotiation process work it out," he said"

There it is in a nutshell folks.

Negotiation with terrorists is back.

Obama didn't try to micromanage this pirate hostage situation. He could have, but didn't He left the final decision up to our military. EXACTLY how it should be handled. Obama could have told them hands off, no shots fired and negotiations only. But he didn't. I like a President (no matter who he is) who doesn't try to call each and every the shot from the Oval Office.

Apparently Obama has no problem with trusting our military to do the right thing. That's good enough for me. Obama's first thought was to save the life of the Captain -- not how he might look politically if it had taken a turn for the worse.

You all on the far right can't even rejoice in this proud moment? Just can't figure y'all out sometimes. Just can't.

CC-
They're too busy tea-bagging against "tyranny"(ie, losing an election).

Who cares about politicians.

In the end it's all about face for them.

Glad to see the Navy kicked some ass. You bet those guys never faced a Captain at Sea. Here's a snippet of the "negotiations" that Obama wanted.

Pirate: We want 2 million dollars or will kill your Captain friend.

Captain of the USS Bainbridge: You will release the hostage unharmed and we will spare your life. That's worth 2 million bucks don't you think?

Guess not.

"Bruce Willis' character rescues the hostage and then says 'Anybody else want to negotiate?' "

Posted by MrFair at 2009-04-12 09:53 PM

I loved that scene.

www.youtube.com

There it is in a nutshell folks.

Negotiation with terrorists is back.

How terrible! Obama's sissy-ass negotiation strategy has a 75% mortality rate... I'm sure the terrorists and evil-doers are salivating at the prospects of bullying this incompetent man. Nothing short of 110% will stop them.

Seems to Me Democrats have a better record at hostage retrieval and safe and sound outcomes. How many Hostages did Carter lose?? How Many did Dubya lose?? How many so far has Obama lost?? Interesting to say the very least.

Larry

A 15 ft. lifeboat? A 9100 ton Warship!

The Commander In Chief of the whole Military having not too much to do with the outcome of this is laughable on it's very face. Too fucking funny.

Larry

#70 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2009-04-12 08:13 PM

Larry,

The President is not in any way involved with the planning of a Militry operation. His job is to approve or disapprove the plans presented before him.

In this case, Good Job President Obama!

Obama didn't try to micromanage this pirate hostage situation. He could have, but didn't He left the final decision up to our military. .

Interesting observations from the Obama camp.
Answer me this one question.Why, when the captain jumped off the boat the Navy didn't fire on them?
A simple answer would be that they had orders to not fire on the boat.
This order could come only from the White House.
Managing a crisis from so far away takes away on the spot decisions as the situation changes.
Obama lucked out this time,but I think he will not be so lucky in the future if his playbook includes negotiations with terrorists and restricting the military from doing their jobs just so he can save face.

rwd

RWD-
You're saying that the Navy violated orders from Obama by firing?

RWD would have preferred the captain be killed and President Obama criticized than have the captain be saved and President Obama be justly praised.

Moder8-
I think you're right.

You should like me Moder,I defend Israel to the hilt.

Betel, isn't it time for you and your mother to share a glass of milk and some Oreos?
You know, to have that special time together to share feelings.

rwd

RWD: WTF?

RWD-
Yo momma so ugly she scares the sun up each day by mooning it.

LOL, I loved third grade!

The question that needs to be asked is "Why was it even necessary for the U.S. Navy to get permission from 0bama to shoot to kill pirates holding an U.S. citizen hostage?" Like RWD said "Why, when the captain jumped off the boat the Navy didn't fire on them?"

The question that needs to be asked is "Why was it even necessary for the U.S. Navy to get permission from 0bama to shoot to kill pirates holding an U.S. citizen hostage?"

First, as far as operational protocol goes, you have no idea, nor do you you know anything about what occurred.

As to the philosophical and political implications of your dumb-ass question, ask the founders who they thought should be in charge - the civilian elected gov't. or the military?

Well, duh. It is known as the chain of command. It sounds like in this case it worked perfectly.

"Why, when the captain jumped off the boat the Navy didn't fire on them?"

I really tire of the Gimme/RWD blame America first tag team.

w would have invaded eritrea or something. great to have competence back in dc. GOBAMA!!!!

Obama is a moral coward and a socialist traitor for not invading Eritrea!

Obama is a man of calculated action. Under Obama all things are possible. If Bush was around still he would have laughed and told the shipping corp to let him die. Bush didn't care one iota for human life.

You really have no soul, Rastaninja. I've long thought your posts those of an incompetent or a jackass.

RWD, you're the poster child for Republican retardation. Try and filter the lead from your drinking water and check back in once you've cleaned your liver of toxins.

You stupid hack.

If Dubya were at the helm of this ship of State and He got a briefing on Pirates attacking a US Merchant ship. He would have probably attacked the Cardinals or the Brewers

Larry

Naw, LARRY

I think Bush would have had Canada in his crosshairs.

They have oil.

Good for the SEALs. True professionals.

Wait to see how long it takes FOX News to say this was a bad thing and that Obama acted 'recklessly' and future hostages are now in greater danger because of this. If not FOX News anchors, it will certainly be one of their 'contributors' who'll they'll have on repeatedly.

I thought Obama was supposed to be different than Bush, closing Gitmo, not torturing, etc.

#32 | Posted by member2586

Well...he is different. You see, had this been Bush, the Pirates would have escaped, NEVER to be captured and we'd have invaded any other country BUT Somalia, claiming the other unnamed country was paying the pirates to do what they did.

DING!

Hey, don't lose your head!

It is shocking that Obama, the king of community organizers didn't resolve this crisis by dialoging with the Maritime Organizers, also capitalistic opportunists just like Obama!!

Certainly Obama can relate to these Mairitime Organizers who have simply found a market driven need and filled it.

After all, Obama's cabinet officials are implementing a similar Piracy Policy here in the USA, by taking over the auto industry, the banking industry and the insurance industry and sending all of us taxpayers the BILL.

Even his budget director talking about 80% tax rates says that this unprecedented deficit spending in NOT sustainable.

But I thought that the Obama disciples said that he could fix anything just by talking about it . . . ? ? ?

Now we find out that Obama and company have NOTHING NEW TO OFFER BUT HUGE TAX INCREASES and MORE GUVAMINT CONTROL OVER YOU AND ME . . .

I can't fathom how anybody can take the outcome of this little maritime conflict and manage to bash Obama in the process.

No American lives were lost.

No physical assets were lost.

No ransom was paid.

The perps have either been killed or apprehended.

To me it seems like a win-win-win-win.

Having said all of that, let's put this in perspective. Hostage situations occasionally occur in the US during the course of a crime being committed - a bank robbery, etc. In many of these cases, POTUS has no involvement whatsoever. In this case, we are talking about a small band of pirates holding 1 American hostage. I'd be both surprised and disappointed if President Obama dedicated more than 30 minutes of his time to this. The operation was small and those carrying it out are experts who only need a minimum of parameters in order to carry out their task with maximum efficiency. The reason that I'd be surprised and disappointed if Obama spent more than 30 minutes of his time on this is because that was all of the input needed from him, if that, in order to carry this out with a high likelihood of success. A good leader knows how to prioritize, delegate AND empower his people to think for themselves, make decisions and take action.

This is why I say this is a very small victory for our new president - given everything else on his plate, this is a small affair requiring very little of his time.

It's a small victory, but a victory nonetheless. In that vein, let's keep it real, Obama-detractors. This little affair came to a successful conclusion - there is nothing wrong with acknowledging such and giving Obama a small nod as a means of props for a task well-done.

Ok but now what about Pirates of the Caribbean?

The first one was ...ok but the 2nd and 3rd are pure hell. We show the third one down here on the island to our prisoners to get them to talk and all of a sudden Amnesty International cites us for cruel and unusual punishment. There's no pleasing some people.

PS. Please support the Francois Duvalier Foundation to promote positive aspects of the dictatorship

I don't think obama did a damn thing to end the terror on the high seas, He is on the receiving end of the ransom money. His terrorist cousin odinga is involved with these crimes.

"I don't think obama did a damn thing to end the terror on the high seas, He is on the receiving end of the ransom money."

I knew there would be someone on the DR this morning who knew the truth. You are also aware that Bush engineered 9/11, aren't you? I have it from a reliable source that he and Cheney received millions of dollars from the same king that Obama bowed to. I'm glad there are people like you to keep things in proper perspective in this country.

I can't fathom how anybody can take the outcome of this little maritime conflict and manage to bash Obama in the process.

#115 | Posted by JeffJ at 2009-04-13 06:20 AM | Reply

Me either. On the other hand, I can't fathom why anyone is giving him credit for it.

Color me unimpressed with a 25-30 yard sniper shot by the SEALs. You could take 3 relatively good shots off the street and do that.

"Color me unimpressed with a 25-30 yard sniper shot by the SEALs. You could take 3 relatively good shots off the street and do that."

Three shots almost simultaneous, two bobbing platforms in the sea....maybe not.

This is going to embolden our enemies. We will now have more of them, not less. This is going to become a recruiting moment. We have stirred the silent ones to the hive. The area will start to have more arrive from other countries. We will be threated at home. We will have started another ...

Oops, sorry wrong thread.

I thought this was about terrorists and Bush.

Color me unimpressed with a 25-30 yard sniper shot by the SEALs. You could take 3 relatively good shots off the street and do that.

Color me an expert shot, that spent part of the Easter weekend at a shooting range with friends..

If you're unimpressed, it's because you don't know much about firearms or shooting. This was at sea, shooting from a ship to another boat; very unsteady platform and target window, and the shot window was very small.

The range wasn't very long as sniper shots go.. but its very difficult, and only the most experienced people could pull it off..

I don't like it when Monday morning experts start denigrating the skills of people that were there doing it..

I don't really care for weekend warriors thinking plinking cans makes them informed.

The snipers were on the fantail (much higher than the lifeboat). The lifeboat moved with the swells (which can easily be timed), but in reality, how much bouncing around is the Navy ship going to be doing?

If you're impressed you're not too informed.

Difficult day for the Obama-hating right. They know that when you're in a hole you should stop digging but they just can't help themselves so are looking even more unpatriotically stupid than usual.

Yeah, 101. It's like that time when you rescued the captain of a ship and you and your men only had to take out those three guys 25 to 30 yards away. Nothing to see here. I mean, why all the fuss?

Oh, wait, you were just kidding.

Right? Hard to tell sometimes.

I can't help it if you guys are easily impressed with a 25-30 yard shot from an elevated position.

Anyone that's fired a rifle knows that it's not impressive. I'm sure the SEALs would tell you the same thing.

Instead of giving them weapons free if the captain's life were in eminent danger, why weren't they authorized to take the shot as soon as one was available?

#126 - Yeah, they probably would say the same thing. That's called modesty and humility - two traits I admire in people. But can't you just say, "nice job, guys" and let it go? Should they have backed up to make it more impressive?

I don't understand the need to feel so coldly removed and "unimpressed" by something that ends well.

I don't understand the need to feel so coldly removed and "unimpressed" by something that ends well.

#128 | Posted by cbob at 2009-04-13 09:43 AM | Reply

You don't understand why somebody would point out the obvious in the face of all of the "SEALs are the baddest mother fuckers ever" bullshit?

If you or others want to pretend that what they did was some sort of SpecOps super-hero like shooting be my guest.

"And it took Matt Drudge all of 3 minutes to take down that teaser headline titled 'Failure to act' which he has been showing near the top of his website for the last couple of days now." #11 | Posted by oldCADuser

And Obama's 17 briefings to finally approve the military to fire if the captain was in danger.

#130 | Posted by KBM

It IS a bitch when one of your Billorushannity talking points goes KaBooM!

It about time Obama showed he has the balls

Hey, I think I figured it out, 101. This is an Army vs. Navy thing, isn't it? I can respect that. You were a Fort Campbell guy, right?

Work with me, I'm a little slow.

Looks like 101 Douchebag has some "penis envy"!

Just go and polish all of your medals, and you'll be fine in a few days!

Ft Bragg, but it's not an inter-service rivalry thing. It's a POV thing.

Although I do have to laugh at people calling the SEALs the baddest dudes on the planet.
Hell, the Air Force SpecOps dudes are way ahead of the SEALs. Delta are the baddest MF'ers.

Come on itsy, "new name" should equal "new schtick", right?

You're telling someone to get a new "schtick"?

Hillarious.

Again, I know who you're refering to you clown, but I ain't him.

You supposedly work, so why not try and get some work done.

Have a good day! :)

You said the same thing while posting as hillbillydeluxe.
Face it, you're not very bright.

All of that aside, you realize your argument is basically "I've got the chairborne flu, but I'm not the infected one you're refering to", right? First off, it's pathetic. Secondly, you're lying, itsy.

Long John Silvers sucks, and so do you, dummy.

Too Funny! In a pathetic way.

Neener-neener-neener!

"It about time Obama showed he has the balls"

Just wait until the pirates retaliate by killing all Americans they capture.

I'm sure the rightards will blame him for the pirates reactions.

This is called having it both ways.

Just wait until the pirates retaliate by killing all Americans they capture.

I'm sure the rightards will blame him for the pirates reactions.

This is called having it both ways.

#141 | Posted by fresno500
* * * *

Not one, but TWO strawmen, in the same post! That's great work Fresno!

How about this? When gas prices go up because of increased shipping costs as a result of unchecked piracy, the libtards will blame . . . Bush!! See? I can do it too!

"How about this? When gas prices go up because of increased shipping costs as a result of unchecked piracy, the libtards will blame . . . Bush!! See? I can do it too!"

less than 18% of the USA's/Europe's oil imports go through the Gulf of Aden. Most cite the number to be around 5-7% of the USA oil imports flow through Gulf of Aden during PEAK production. If you understood pricing you would know that refinery run %'s in the US and OPEC output are the two single largest driving forces behind pricing. So if the pirates can influence OPEC production or USA refinery output then you might be able to connect the dots, but since your a rightie I doubt you can.

LM

Mission Accomplished!

A real C-in-C.

One less thing to have the rightie waambulances rolling for, though...

If you understood pricing you would know that refinery run %'s in the US and OPEC output are the two single largest driving forces behind pricing. So if the pirates can influence OPEC production or USA refinery output then you might be able to connect the dots, but since your a rightie I doubt you can.

LM

#143 | Posted by Liberal_Mongrel
* * * *

My whole post was sarcastic. But you're right--even though I speak at energy conferences about four times a year, I don't know anything about crude and gas pricing. I'm oblivious to what might happen at the margins if, say, shipping costs move up 20% to account for higher insurance premiums.
By the way, I don't happen to meet a lot of lefties at those things either. Obama supporters lay pretty thin on the ground, because the energy markets are populated by people who know what will happen to prices if Obama gets his insane cap-and-trade programs through.
But hey, what's the prob, right? This is what America wants! Higher prices on gasoline! More conservation! More money going to so-called "alternative energies" instead of to XOM and CVX! We need MORE piracy, not less!
Good post lib! You're a clever one!

Difficult day for the Obama-hating right.

#124 | Posted by brock

Nah, Obama did the right thing in giving the go ahead. No complaints here, just praise. The captain is safe, three scum bags dead, because the Navy and Obama did their respective jobs. It's high time we had a military operation with a happy ending, or an actual ending for that matter.

Plus, now that this whole situation is over, Obama can start focusing on how better to funnel money from tax payers into the hands of rich bankers and investors. (you know I had to throw that in there =)

Wow..a military operation that was not a lie! Amazing! I forgot we could succeed for real. Pat Tilman, Jessica Lynch, WMDs, Iraq sponsorship of terror...

Now if only Obama could do something about the Pittsburgh Pirates.

#76 | Posted by rcade at 2009-04-12 09:29 PM |

As a Pittsburgh fan I should flag this as abusive!!! LOL

I'm appalled that they used this level of force. I thought Obama was a different kind of leader. He should have met with the leader of the pirates, and attempted diplomacy and economic sanctions. That would have been the appropriate first step.

#149 | Posted by somoco at 2009-04-13 12:43 PM

Parley?

Exactly what I was thinking. Parley.

"It would be too much of a humiliation for four guys with a couple of rifles to outwit the combined might of the USA."

Not to mention ten or twelve guys with box cutters. Bush blew it.

Fucking pussies last night were talking about how taking this action will make the pirates "more dangerous" like they shouldn't have killed these folks. Now we're "in for it." Gimme a break.

Same shit with terrorists. If he hunt them down, they'll strike us harder. What a dysfunctional mind set.

This was the first good thing I've seen BO do to date.

Now if only Obama could do something about the Pittsburgh Pirates.

#76 | Posted by rcade at 2009-04-12 09:29 PM |

He could-but Nuking Vancouver wasn't on his list of things to do today....,

Seriously though, what do ya'll think about huge international corporations who save money and time by not having armed guards, which would force them to go thru port inspections, paying millions of dollars in ransom, creating a market really for the pirates?

Then costing the American taxpayer millions of dollars to bail them out.

I mean, I heard that the worst thing that ever happened to someone held ransom was that they were fed goat meat.

"But you're right--even though I speak at energy conferences about four times a year, I don't know anything about crude and gas pricing."

Funny, which confrences do you speak at(gas fair, North American renewables, Oil and petro National con, Power up) I threw one in there that is no longer in existence. Prove your worth and tell me which one? Based on your comments you should be speaking at comic-con. Even more importantly which company do you represent, I want to do business with you all. I will sell you all the crude and nat gas right now on the forward curve you want. I will take mine to settle and we'll see who gets the best margin (just gave you the best way to make a margin this year). Since my energy company is doing well, I represent 4 fortune 500 companies and employ a whopping 7 people in my company. I also speak at confrences, the most recent being the Berkshire Hathaway national meeting in Omaha. So when you make false calims on shipping increasing by 20% in cost, it will not impact the whopping 5% of imports to any degree that will impact our markets. Waiting to here your response......

LM

Funny, which confrences do you speak at(gas fair, North American renewables, Oil and petro National con, Power up) I threw one in there that is no longer in existence. Prove your worth and tell me which one?

That kind of test doesn't work in the age of Google.

"That kind of test doesn't work in the age of Google."

Actually it does, after I receive the answer from RIR, if he doesn't touch on it, which will validate he at least has some dealings with the industry, I'll explain why.....damn that's a run on.

LM

Kan,

Just for grins to see how well google is on top of it, I would like to see your answer?

LM

LM,

Gas Fair I think. The other sites have had activity this year.

Don't fuck with SEALS.

#4 | Posted by CapnBligh at 2009

no shit
but the media is also telling that obama is the real hero here. he is about all they are talking about now.
and just sit back and try and imgaine if it had not worked..
the ship captains or the seals themsleves would be getting trashed now since obama is too big to fail.

and whoever said God didnt have a thing to do with it
I wonder what you would say if you were in that "DINGY" wondering if these terrorists were going to shoot you in the back.
sort of a sea 'foxhole',

"and whoever said God didnt have a thing to do with it
I wonder what you would say if you were in that "DINGY" wondering if these terrorists were going to shoot you in the back.
sort of a sea 'foxhole',"

What does being in a dingy or foxhole have to do with anything, or was that an ass-backward way to get back to the usual moronic statement of no atheist in a foxhole?

I would ask, so god sides with Americans and not somali's? Or was it that the captain just prayed harder than the pirates?

If it didn't work, then Fox would have had twelve shows dedicated to the failure of the administration to understand the problem and effectively use the military.

LM

Kan,

I saw your answer and will wait just a bit more to see if RIR is done searching the net for some answers to assist him.

LM

I think it was Carlin who said "when one team wins a game and thanks G-d for the victory, I always have to wonder what the other team did to piss G-d off."

nice going mongrel....so many fucked stereotypes in one post might be close to the "CELISARY RECORD"...

and here is another fact on the subject

leftists HATED the military when it liberated milliond of iraqis AND MUSLIMS

and they love the military when it liberates one brave american.

so whats the difference??

oh the man in the oval office of course....

why do liberals hate iraqis

OH shit..sorry that I actually said that but thats the way it goes....

leftists HATED the military when it liberated milliond of iraqis AND MUSLIMS

and they love the military when it liberates one brave american.

so whats the difference??

Hmm... I can see no difference between a hostage rescue op and a protracted war waged on false pretenses. Yep, you've really got us dirty libs on this one. Pat yourself on the back.

Fuck off Aflac. it's BECAUSE HE'S AN AMERICAN....by the way, where are those 4 million "liberated" Iraqis that fled the insurgency? You doofus.

leftists HATED the military when it liberated milliond of iraqis AND MUSLIMS

and they love the military when it liberates one brave american.

so whats the difference??

oh the man in the oval office of course....

#165 | Posted by afkabl2

Bullshit on top of more bullshit. No one hated the military - just the administration that decided to send 40,000 of them to be killed or injured on a whim.

Why do retired school marms from Texas hate America enough to lie?

#163 | Posted by Liberal_Mongrel

It is possible that the guy simply had other things to do and quit blogging for awhile - AFTER you issued your challenge.

No one hated the military

Plenty on the left hate the military and said hatred has nothing to do with Bush, Obama, Clinton, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc.

Go to San Fran, or Berkley, or many college campuses, etc. and then tell me that No one hated the military.

Plenty on the left hate the military and said hatred has nothing to do with Bush, Obama, Clinton, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc.

Go to San Fran, or Berkley, or many college campuses, etc. and then tell me that No one hated the military.

#171 | Posted by JeffJ

Plenty? You're hyperbole is only slightly less odious than BL2's.

Go to San Fran, or Berkley, or many college campuses, etc. and then tell me that No one hated the military.

There's a big difference between hating the military and:

hating the men who deploy it frivolously
not wanting to join it
disagreeing with the reasons for its deployment
despising the actions of individual soldiers who commit heinous crimes
etc.

*Your

I don't think most people hate the military, but rather use them as a way to criticize policy that involved them. We may hate the war, but we also know they did not choose to fight it. They have no choice but to fight it. People tend to generalize to make a point.

this link is for you naive people who dont agree with our comments that you used against bush

all he has done is recruit more pirates.

if it wasnt so bad, the irony would be the best yet

www.cnn.com

and notice its from CNN..so it HAS TO BE TRUE

I don't think most people hate the military,

look at the liberal groups who see to it that rotc or recruiters are not allowed on college campuses..

thats not because they dont have room or some stupid shit like that
its because they hate the military.

SHIT FORGOT

my comment was admittedly a little on the flippant side but it does have a lot of truth in it.

Plenty? You're hyperbole is only slightly less odious than BL2's.

#172 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue at 2009-04-

WOW>...used hyperbole and odious in the same sentence.

GOSH DARN YOU are so smart....

the ship captains or the seals themsleves would be getting trashed now since obama is too big to fail.
#161 | Posted by afkabl2

Just because it was your hero's style to blame the guy at the bottom instead of taking responsibility for his errors doesn't mean that's the way it always will be.

www.youtube.com

A little preview of the TEABAGGERS in action. You'll see BL2 at about 16 seconds in.

look at the liberal groups who see to it that rotc or recruiters are not allowed on college campuses.

Yeah, that is stupid, and I don't understand their reasoning. Those people are certainly in the minority.

I would much rather run into a military recruiter than campus crusade for christ. Both are trying to get you to join, but I at least have respect for someone in the military, and the military does more constructive things than CCC.

"nice going mongrel....so many fucked stereotypes in one post might be close to the "CELISARY RECORD"..."

Texas is sooo much better off without you as a teacher. What sterotype did I illicit....I asked you a question about your dingy/foxhole comment, cuz we all know it was a veiled reference to atheism. Did I stereotype god? Or was it that I commented on how fox would have jumped on obama's misuse of military if he had failed....still missing all those stereotypes...

What liberals hated the military? We hated the moron who misused and lied to them and then put them in harms way without providing them the proper tools to do the job. WE hated that the same moron calimed victory, before we were done with the war, we hated the fact that he let a killer of thousands of Americans go and then said "I don't know where he is and don't care", further putting not only our military but all Americans in harms way. Lefties love the military regardless of when and where, we don't love the idiots who don't use them appropriately. SEE THE DIFFERENCE!!

LM

Well, FUX News didn't disappoint.

They have their Legal Analyst on there right now saying how the US only wants to prosecute the lone captured pirate for political gain. I guess we should just let him go.

The fat turd named Napolitano is trying to make it sound as if the captured pirate is being unfairly treated....all while forgetting the fact that he's involved in high-seas piracy.

Thanks FAUX NEWS!!! I knew you wouldn't let me down!

#170 | Posted by JeffJ at 2009-04-13 02:59 PM | Reply

Since he was blogging all morning and midday, I doubt he is gone, just trying to google 4 other confrences, besides the ones I mentioned to cover his ars. Additionally, since it took him an hour to respond to my first post, I am giving him 2-3 to respond to this one. Seems fair to me. I guess he might have had another important speaking engagment though.....

LM

There's a big difference between hating the military and:

hating the men who deploy it frivolously
not wanting to join it
disagreeing with the reasons for its deployment
despising the actions of individual soldiers who commit heinous crimes
etc.

Agreed, but the certain demographics take their hatred well-beyond what you just typed and actually hate the entire military institution. Just read any one of Herm's post on the subject and consider his opinions to be a microcosm for the groups I've mentioned.

A little preview of the TEABAGGERS in action. You'll see BL2 at about 16 seconds in.

#181 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue at 2009-04-13 03:10

what a cute little link

and you cant see me in that crowd...the blonde in the back was humming my hooter...

Texas is sooo much better off without you as a teacher.

yeah thats right...make some comment you have absolutely no idea about....that sounds about right for a person with your moniker.

and you cant see me in that crowd...the blonde in the back was humming my hooter...

#187 | Posted by afkabl2

And what she was humming was Peggy Lee's version of "Is That All There Is?"

The fat turd named Napolitano is trying to make it sound as if the captured pirate is being unfairly treated....all while forgetting the fact that he's involved in high-seas piracy.

Thanks FAUX NEWS!!! I knew you wouldn't let me down!

#184 | Posted by COMMONSENSE at

so is there the possibility that he was talking like 'satire'

because I would bet that the aclu or someother group of mentally handicapped liberals will be all over his "RIGHTS" and how the big bad US will be mistreating him

and you cant see me in that crowd...the blonde in the back was humming my hooter...

#187 | Posted by afkabl2

And what she was humming was Peggy Lee's version of "Is That All There Is?"

#189 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue at

actually I couldnt tell

all I could make out was

umpph....grggllle...ggelllsees

its too big....grmmpppy..

"yeah thats right...make some comment you have absolutely no idea about....that sounds about right for a person with your moniker."

Isn't that what you do every day? I must have hit a nerve with the "no child left behind" core. Since my sister is a teacher, and so are two of my friends, and an ex-gf I have no clue about Texas classrooms. I mean helping my little sister and brother get into the top 10% of their class so they can attend a Texas college has no bearing on my understanding of the Texas classrooms. Since I teach(albeit basketball/softball for fun) my kids have to show me that their academics are on par to play, I have no idea about the Texas class room. Sorry AK, like your earlier post, all talk and no truth.

LM

thats all well and good but it still has no bearing on your comment about me in any shape or form or even in the delusions of a retort liberal poster.
THATS the no clue I was talking about, of course.

Yes it does, because of the moronic post you put forth on a daily basis. NO ONE wants a rightie like you trying to impress your mindset on their child. That's why Texas schools are better off w/o you teaching in them.....of course.....

LM

and again...you have no idea what you are talking about so therefore, there is no reason to treat you even as importantly as a flea on a dog.

as I have said many times, you would be hardset to find a student of mine from 30 years of teaching that would know what my politics were because UNLIKE liberal assholes in coleges and schools, that wasnt my job.

and here is another of those "MORONIC" posts you are talking about which we all know the left places that label on them because I DARE TO EVEN QUESTION the great messiah...

the HARD left is having a fit over obamas CONTINUED use of SECRETCY in the intelligence sector looking for terrorists threats...

so why isnt he blasted from one corner of this site to the other for the SAME FUCKING THING BUSH was skeward here daily???

the answer is simple..he is the GREAT MESSIAH AND simply too big to fail regardless of his job performance.

and I placed that post here because of the subject about obamas' part of this heroic action has pretty much overshadowed the ACTUALL participants.

"as I have said many times, you would be hardset to find a student of mine from 30 years of teaching that would know what my politics were because UNLIKE liberal assholes in coleges and schools, that wasnt my job."

Sure, and like some coke in bush's nose you easily are blown away....

How about you offer up some names of your students and we'll put it to the test? Without doing so you can make that unsubstantiated claim all you want.

LM

I placed that post here because of the subject about obamas' part of this heroic action has pretty much overshadowed the ACTUALL participants.

Any president would have given the order. This isn't a political issue - yet. How the US deals with this problem will be interesting, and if Obama is to be criticized or praised, it should be over how he ultimately decides to shape US policy to meet the threat of piracy.

On another note, today should be buy a SEAL a drink day.

Dude for a teacher you have the worst spelling ever, but when you get pinned down and frustrated it gets even worse. Kind of funny.

"the HARD left is having a fit over obamas CONTINUED use of SECRETCY in the intelligence sector looking for terrorists threats...

so why isnt he blasted from one corner of this site to the other for the SAME FUCKING THING BUSH was skeward here daily???"

Yes this is a MORONIC post, because if the left is throwing a fit, doesn't that mean they are blasting him.....you need a time out.

LM

Any president would have given the order. This isn't a political issue - yet. #199 | Posted by ZombieHunter at 2009-0

cnn MADE it a political issue before the seals were back...all they could do was glow about obama being a cool and wonderfully desicive commander in chief
the report from shroeder was on within two hours of the first report and it was all he could do to keep from having an orgasm talking about obama.

Yes this is a MORONIC post, because if the left is throwing a fit, doesn't that mean they are blasting him.....you need a time out.

LM

#200 | Posted by Liberal_Mongrel

I have answered this bullshit charge enough allready when it comes to typing here.
and again...you call it moronic because you dont want to even know its true.

cnn MADE it a political issue before the seals were back...all they could do was glow about obama being a cool and wonderfully desicive commander in chief
the report from shroeder was on within two hours of the first report and it was all he could do to keep from having an orgasm talking about obama.

It's not just CNN - all of the news outlets made a big deal out of this. That's what cable news does - they make mountains out of molehills so they have something to talk about all day.

If there's one thing that this accomplished, other than the release of the hostage, it was to show the pirates not to fuck with an American ship. All the other countries pay ransoms like a bunch of pussies. If everyone would react with force the pirates would start looking for other work.

There's nothing wrong with paying a pirate a ransom - as long as the pirates don't live to spend it. Get your hostages back, and unleash hell once the pirates have no leverage.

It's not just CNN - all of the news outlets made a big deal out of this. That's what cable news does - they make mountains out of molehills so they have something to talk about all day.

#203 | Posted by ZombieHunter

I agree but when it was all breaking I made it a point to put my tv on the split screens and cnn went into this mode almost from the outset

and interestingly...or now...they didnt say that the bastards WERE KILLED until well into the evening.
I dont know if it was on purpose or not but they did not use the word KILLED for at least 4 hours after the story broke...

#173 | Posted by ZombieHunter at 2009-04-13 03:03 PM | Reply

There's a big difference between hating the military and:

hating the men who deploy it frivolously....

If it was up to some all deployment would be frivolous.That is why they don't ask for a show of hands when its time to go.

not wanting to join it....

We don't have a draft.Don't bring up the reserves because they know they can go active at any time.
I haven't checked lately but I do know one thing, enlistment was not a problem during Bush's term.

disagreeing with the reasons for its deployment...

Don't sign on the dotted line.Be a pussy and stand on the protest lines being told what to say.
Ever hear of "the mission" You can't fuck with the mission.The mission is bigger then any individual.

despising the actions of individual soldiers who commit heinous crimes...

Depends what you call heinous.Twenty hours of combat and blowing some fucker away with his hands up who killed 3 men in your squad.
Haditha,My Lai? Maybe you should feel sorry for these men who did this instead of condemming the whole military.Ordinary kids who were swept up in a wave of frustration commiting a very serious act of violence.As only combat can provide the means for this type of behavior. This has to be looked at with the whole picture of what they endure and not be judged from the comfort of you couch.

Find out what side of the fence you stand on Zombie and plant yourself there

#173 | Posted by ZombieHunter at 2009-04-13 03:03 PM | Reply | Flag:

If it was up to some all deployment would be frivolous.That is why they don't ask for a show of hands when its time to go.

I'm sure your strawman is a complete pacifist.

The rest of us live in a more practical world. Deployment of the military is not an act to be taken lightly or without considerable planning. Debate is essential for bringing out all the facts surrounding the issue of whether or not to deploy the military - when a handful of men with political agendas have the final say, you can end up with poor decisions like becoming involved in Iraq and Vietnam.

Ever hear of "the mission" You can't fuck with the mission.The mission is bigger then any individual.

Strange - "the mission" is an idea concocted by individuals, not some infallible revelation of God. If you've got a rational argument that "the mission" is a foolhardy one, then it is your patriotic duty to voice that argument. Just because something came from the lips of the president doesn't make it the correct course of action.

Haditha,My Lai? Maybe you should feel sorry for these men who did this instead of condemming the whole military.

I don't judge the whole military for the fucked up actions of men and women who serve in it. Only your strawman does.

When I'm talking about "heinous acts," I'm referring to rape and murder of civilians and prisoner abuse. These are rare events, no doubt, but they do happen. They're indefensible actions of fucked up individuals, but some are too willing to overlook these actions because they were committed by men and women in uniform. Combat stress plays a large part in it - and our government is terrible at looking after the psychological well-being of our troops. Nevertheless, individuals must be held accountable.

Find out what side of the fence you stand on Zombie and plant yourself there

Why? There's a reason why political leaders and pundits work so hard to build and maintain that "fence" and demand that you take a side. Both parties want to have as large of a core constituency as possible. Polarization distracts the populace from the important issues and fuels a bunch of meaningless vitriolic arguments between political factions.

If I am "riding the fence," I'm proud to do so. I refuse to be taken off course by the rantings of partisan hacks. The world is not black and white (or red and blue).

before I go I wanted to post something without obama in it...(oops, just did)

we all should give our thanks to the fact that we have people like these seals and others who risk their lives and almost in some ways give thier right to a 'normal' life after they are done since this sort of training seems to change them...(rambo isnt a complete work of fiction)

and to all the seamen and the maritime crew of that ship...we are indebted to all of them and heres hoping that thier actions lead to a settlement of this issue and not a "SURGE" of more pirate actions and even worse having it evolve into a real terrorist threat with links between these somalians and alqida and the taliban.,..

Seriously though, what do ya'll think about huge international corporations who save money and time by not having armed guards, which would force them to go thru port inspections, paying millions of dollars in ransom, creating a market really for the pirates?

Then costing the American taxpayer millions of dollars to bail them out.

I mean, I heard that the worst thing that ever happened to someone held ransom was that they were fed goat meat.

"I have answered this bullshit charge enough allready when it comes to typing here.
and again...you call it moronic because you dont want to even know its true."

A teacher who can't spell or who is too lazy to spell check, and that's a bs charge? That's the kind a chikenshit wisdom I wouldn't want any Texan to learn from you, further illustrating my point.

Second, you can't see that if someone is throwing a fit, they are already blasting him on a topic? Again, please don't teach anyone else your stupid logic. Fortunatley for Texas, 30 years of stupidity in the classroom is now dismissed.

I call you moronic becasue you can't articualte a point and when you attempt it's a babbling string of ignorance. Like saying someone who throws a fit isn't upset with the reason they are throwing a fit....I will give you a recess, go outside, it's beautiful today in Houston and come back later and try again.

LM

we all should give our thanks to the fact that we have people like these seals and others who risk their lives and almost in some ways give thier right to a 'normal' life after they are done since this sort of training seems to change them...(rambo isnt a complete work of fiction)

True, though I doubt a dude in a tank top emptied 30 rounds from AK, shooting from the hip, and all of the pirates flew back 15 feet ;)

Special Forces are something else... true professionals - the starters in the NHL (National Headshot League).

"(National Headshot League)"

Posted by ZombieHunter at 2009-04-13 04:41 PM

You should copyright that.

"All the other countries pay ransoms like a bunch of pussies. If everyone would react with force the pirates would start looking for other work."

I am pretty sure France has conducted at least 3 seperate raids all of which included killing pirates....the most recent a sailboat named Tarin(sp).....I believe Brittain has also killed popirates, and though I can't find a link didn't a scandanavian country kill some as well?

LM

I read where the poor bastards couldnt even get off a shot

so I have been looking for more info on just how it was carried out
I know that they may not be able to tell all but were the seals in the water or were they on the boat
I know that I have seen docs about the rifles they will use
can hit a target almost a mile away and can hit it with about an inch of error.....

LM.............go fuck yourslef..I have nothing more to say to the likes of you. When making accuracy on those things is a requirement I will take more time to check them and to state that I cant spell because of typos of the words you are referring to is just an attempt to make something there thats not.

"LM.............go fuck yourslef..I have nothing more to say to the likes of you."

No thanks teacher, but I wouldn't have expected anything less from a moron like you. You are a shining example of the tools in texas. I am just glad I am here to straighten you all out. So run off teacher, go back to your montrose hangout!!

LM

oh wow..

that really got me
and dont you know how insensitive you are when you talk about montrose.

and thanks for proving my assesment correct with your last little pathetic salvo. you make me proud that I am on the right track when it comes to knowing just how your side works.
biased, bigoted, and prejudiced against any ideas counter to the leftists agenda..nice work,

and read my posts on the nooner from franklin because you are a part of what I am referring to when I call those the "good old days' being altered by liberal facists.

"I have nothing more to say to the likes of you"

You are easier than a child to pull back in.....that was funny.

"biased, bigoted, and prejudiced against any ideas counter to the leftists agenda..nice work"

Another of your moronic posts. I just made fun of the gays in montrose where you hang out, isn't that taboo for a lefty to do....I mean after all, you just said I would never counter the leftist agenda.

I don't need to read your post to someone else, I prefer for you to look foolish trying to type it to me...there is a texas shaped dunce cap waiting for you at numbers.....along with a couple foyour buddies.....see more wise cracks on those leftist agendas.....

LM

by liberal facists(sic)

You're an idiot, and a disgrace to your profession.

Look up in the flatulosphere, it's a byrdd, it's a hussein, no it is obambo ! With only his acorn shell helmet to protect him from the lead laden onslaught, the dashing and daring obambo jumps into action, tearing the AK47 rounds from the air with his bare teeth, his ears flapping furiosly, with the only thing in mind being the safety of the battle worn ship captain.

obambo grabs the captn by the scruff off his drawers, a wedgie to follow, he carries the captn to safety, aboard the " Good Ship Lollipop ", as he flaps out of site we here " to all a good nite!" , I am obambo!

Kan,

Back to our original question. Since RIR is AWOL, guess he couldn't find any confrences to come back with, or a anything to counter the "go short on the 09 strip and take to expiry". You are partly correct, Gas Fair was the largest industry expo for years, held in Houston each spring. Additionally there is a gas fair that takes place in Canada and last year was it's last year...all though I am hearing they are trying to salvage an 09 confrence. Kudos to you for your google skills. There were many thing s he said that were out of whack with teh energy industry, regardless of price, there are significant margins in oil and gas, if there wasn't no one would trade it. On top of that there are countless instruments that allow one to arbitrage the market. Since the market is now in Access I will go home....

LM

Mission accomplished! Egad! Murderer of innocent teenage pirates...failure to negotiate...creator of more terrorists and reprisals! Warmonger! Damn monkey cowboy! er- Oh shit....

"Seriously though, what do ya'll think about huge international corporations who save money and time by not having armed guards, which would force them to go thru port inspections, paying millions of dollars in ransom, creating a market really for the pirates?"

Hell most of them fly flags from Liberia or some backwater so they don't have to pay taxes or abide by labor laws yet they then still expect the Navy we pay for to protect them. Cruise Ship industry here in S. Florida is a perfect example. They get 90% of their labor from eastern European and other low pay countries then come here to serve Americans, through American ports, under the protection of the US Navy and Coast Guard. We should end their free ride.

Did the Captain of the destroyer really need the President's OK to take out these Somalis? Kudos to Obama on not once but twice authorizing it, I'm just curious why that was necessary. I realize its a totally different situation, but do police officers need the President's authority to end a hostage standoff? Anyone have any insight here, I'm just legitimately curious if the captain really needed his approval to take out the Somalis and rescue the hostage.

They have my OK to kill pirates, too. But I want to keelhaul 'em first. Then a few broadsides into all the Somali ports.

www.youtube.com

~The beatings will continue until morale improves.

They have my OK to kill pirates, too. But I want to keelhaul 'em first. Then a few broadsides into all the Somali ports.

Just a few broadsides, cap'n? Why can't we land, I want to ravish some wenches... arrrgh.

"Anyone have any insight here, I'm just legitimately curious if the captain really needed his approval to take out the Somalis and rescue the hostage."

newsgroups.derkeiler.com

should answer your question nicely....

LM

Thanks LM! From the link:

"U.S. rules of engagement prevent the Americans using their vastly
superior fighting power to engage the pirates if there is any danger
to civilians."

I think its time to rewrite those rules. Vastly superior fighting power most definitely should be used to protect civilians.

Anyime sir!! I agree the rules need to be scrutinized, they just can't cover every conceiveable scenario our military is faced with these days, and the protection of civilians should be what it's all about.

LM

all Obama did was create more terrorists, oops I mean pirates

Thanks FAUX NEWS!!! I knew you wouldn't let me down!

#184 | Posted by COMMONSENSE at

so is there the possibility that he was talking like 'satire'

because I would bet that the aclu or someother group of mentally handicapped liberals will be all over his "RIGHTS" and how the big bad US will be mistreating him

#190 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2009-04-13 03:23 PM | Reply | Flag:

No, I didn't get any sense of satire from the man's comments.

As for your 2nd comment, either the ACLU or FAUX News....whichever comes first. At least one is consistent. Can you guess which one?

Obama decried
people died

Obama decried
people died

#232 | Posted by DKIA13 at 2009-04-13 11:36 PM | Reply | Flag:

....unlike BushCo's tenure, they weren't Americans.

What about the Bush Regime Pirates???

If its OK to "kill" pirates how does this "applauded" judicial philosophy apply to the Bush Regime "Pirates" who commandered/stole Iraq's Oil Wealth,not to mention that these Murdering Republican Pirates also killed 1 million innocent Iraqis in the process!

p.s Also how "Courageous" did the "High Tek" US Navy have to be to take on half a dozen untrained Somalis who were armed,not with missles,F-16's or helicopter gunships but with a few rifles and machines guns? Oh yes the SEALS were so fucking brave here weren't they!

Too many posts to read them all, so this may be a repeat. We were discussing this at work yesterday someone mentioned that the training for special services such as the SEALS now costs more than for pilots. I have not verified that, but it is an interesting talking point. As this type of asymetric warfare continues these people can do things you will not be able to do with a jet.

Have any one watched the show on the military channel where they are training snipers? I was burning through channels the other night and they were showing these guys shooting out of helecopters. Pretty impressive when you think about the motion and turbulence, etc.

I think instead of killing the pirates, Obama should have apologized to the pirates for our arrogance.

I think instead of killing the pirates, Obama should have apologized to the pirates for our arrogance.

Aw, come on now. Turn that frown upside down!

I haven't read every single comment here, but it almost looks like I'm the lone rightie to squeak out an ounce of praise for our president when he does something right. I guess conservatives are content with being bitter for the next 8/16/24 years.

"I guess conservatives are content with being bitter for the next 8/16/24 years."

Seems to go with the sackcloth and ashes look.

You're an idiot, and a disgrace to your profession.

#219 | Posted by Alexandrite

thank you so much for your assesment of my professional abilities. I will certainly give it all of the consideration that it merits.

the following is attributed to bill crystal but it is usefull here and I will be awaiting for the hatred of obama from you liberal americans....

a) he didnot go to the UN security council for permission or to get one of those nasty letters they will send you
b) he didnt consult any allies
c) he had no coalition help
d) it was a "UNILATERAL MILITARY ACTION" and we all know how that was treated when it was bush doing it.

all of the above made bush a murderer in the eyes of the sick and mentally ill liberals

and when obama does or doesnt do those things and people die......he is responsible for a successfull mission...and is called cool and decisive.

more liberal bullshit

I haven't read every single comment here, but it almost looks like I'm the lone rightie to squeak out an ounce of praise for our president when he does something right.

As opposed to what other options? Negotiate? pay the ransom? Say no to a rescue attempt? If the Navy needed to go to the top for permission, Obama had no other choice. Even if it had gone horribly wrong, he still would have made the correct decision allowing the Navy to do its job. There's the praise he deserves. Anything else said by the Administration is for the approval ratings. Or a mask for the two months of amateur hour.

and when obama does or doesnt do those things and people die......he is responsible for a successfull mission...and is called cool and decisive.

more liberal bullshit

Posted by afkabl2

I'm guessing that Ish thinks that somewhere there is a sovereign nation called Pirateland. Otherwise, I'm sure he wouldn't tried to draw such a stupid analogy.

looks like I'm the lone rightie to squeak out an ounce of praise for our president when he does something right.

#238 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2009-04-14 10:58 AM | Reply

You're like an Obama-fellator. Who praises somebody for doing what anyone else would do?

What was Obama's other choice? Seriously, what the fuck other option was there?

What was Obama's other choice?

Parley?

I am loving getting to type that joke here every day and have it still work. Can we please never lose the Pirate story?

and here is a typical liberal reaction to this mission
some prick in england wrote that the west is responsible for these pirates capturing these ships and thier crew and al zazeera even blamed it on global warming
thats one statement that I want to hear more from just to see how they came to that conclusion

the english idiot said that since we have so much money and all that, that the pirates who have nothing or left to do this to live
what a complete waste of brain cells.

I haven't read every single comment here, but it almost looks like I'm the lone rightie to squeak out an ounce of praise for our president when he does something right.

I disagree....he was absolutely correct to give them the order

HOWEVER just this morning I heard that they had to ask him twice...IF thats true, then I would like to know what his options were....and as any politician would do, you had to believe that what he would look like whichever way it turned out was discussed..
AGAIN....as any politician would do.

I'm guessing that Ish thinks that somewhere there is a sovereign nation called Pirateland. Otherwise, I'm sure he wouldn't tried to draw such a stupid analogy.

#243 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue at

THERE IS....I rode on the ride a couple of times.

a) he didnot go to the UN security council for permission or to get one of those nasty letters they will send you
b) he didnt consult any allies
c) he had no coalition help
d) it was a "UNILATERAL MILITARY ACTION" and we all know how that was treated when it was bush doing it.

all of the above made bush a murderer in the eyes of the sick and mentally ill liberals

Blah, Blah, Blah.............

AKA....

A US ship, a US crew, US Action..

Iraq, no connection to 9/11, no connection to this action.

Not even a good try...

bullshit

unilateral military action....where is the outrage

it was international waters...where was the UN
and if we are going to have all this internationalism bullshit...WHERE Was the rest of the world..
oh yeah...giving them millions of dollars

AND two more hijacked this morning...

I believe, even in international waters, that the ship itself is considered part of the nation whose flag they fly. I am not sure though as I have never been a boater or on a cruise.

I believe, even in international waters, that the ship itself is considered part of the nation whose flag they fly. I am not sure though as I have never been a boater or on a cruise.

~ KANREI

You're wasting your time he can't see the forest for the rage.

AKA a bushie..

believe, even in international waters, that the ship itself is considered part of the nation whose flag they fly. I am not sure though as I have never been a boater or on a cruise.

#251 | Posted by kanrei at 2009-04

even though I know that zap is lurking in the wings here I will tell you that I know this and you are correct but AGAIN as always I am referring to the democrat reaction and not as much as the actual detail

but my point is...IF we are going to become just another 2nd rate member of the euros or something like that..then this WOULD be taken up by that body which means that the BRAVE CAPTAIN would still be in life threatening situation because killing the pirates would be out of the question....and you both know that.

also if we are in that sort of body then ALL WATErs would be international...right??

even though I know that zap is lurking in the wings here I will tell you that I know this and you are correct but AGAIN as always I am referring to the democrat reaction and not as much as the actual detail
but my point is...IF we are going to become just another 2nd rate member of the euros or something like that..then this WOULD be taken up by that body which means that the BRAVE CAPTAIN would still be in life threatening situation because killing the pirates would be out of the question....and you both know that.
also if we are in that sort of body then ALL WATErs would be international...right??

Five bucks to anyone who can find a rational cohesive thought here.

It's hysterical watching AK try to correlate this to Iraq. What Americans did they attack first, where did Obama lie about what they were doing? And the dipshit doesn't read well either, UN already sanctioned military action against pirates, but then he is just spewing nonsense....what a right wing retard, no wonder your bitch lost. He says the USA didn't consult anyone, but yet all reports say the US ships were in communication with French, Brittish, Russian, Somalian and even Chinese patrols in the area.....but somehow tht is not communicating....LMAO!

www.nydailynews.com

LM

because killing the pirates would be out of the question....and you both know that.

I am pretty sure Europe kills pirates too... Pirates are simply terrorists at sea.

Five bucks to anyone who can find a rational cohesive thought here.

#254 | Posted by Zap at 2009-04-14

you must be a fuckin aggie so let me go slower

if we are to become an INTERnATIONAL country as it seems obama would love for us to be..

then all waters would belong to all of us...right?

I mean if some yaho in the netherlands was able to tell us what we could or couldnt do finanncialy, then why wouldnt they have jurisdiction over this incident and since most of them are notable PUSSIEs and worried more about rights of killers and pirates...ARG MATEY>>>.(sorry had to get that in there)

then my conclusion...WITH A LOT OF HYPOTETHICAL SITUATIONS ADMITTEDLY....the captain would still be in danger.

let me know if thats enough..maybe I can draw you some pictures.

mongrel...you have no idea what you are saying because you cant comprehend my points.

You're like an Obama-fellator. Who praises somebody for doing what anyone else would do?

What was Obama's other choice? Seriously, what the fuck other option was there?

#244 | Posted by 101ChairborneIf your beady eyes could see past your giant forehead, you would note that I didn't make a big fuss about it, just said he did the right thing. By flailing your arms around over what should have been a positive story, you are distracting from true criticisms of Obama, and are in effect fondling his balls while his fellators fellate.

Take 2:

You're like an Obama-fellator. Who praises somebody for doing what anyone else would do?

What was Obama's other choice? Seriously, what the fuck other option was there?

#244 | Posted by 101Chairborne

If your beady eyes could see past your giant forehead, you would note that I didn't make a big fuss about it, just said he did the right thing. By flailing your arms around over what should have been a positive story, you are distracting from true criticisms of Obama, and are in effect fondling his balls while his fellators fellate.

"mongrel...you have no idea what you are saying because you cant comprehend my points."

You did get the last part right, but I think you might as well add the rest of DR into that response. I don't know a soul that can make sense of the B.S. you spout including yourself. You constantly lie and contradict yourself, that kind of logic I want no part of..

LM

When absolutely, positively, must have your ransom delivered on time, call a seal team.

Semper Fi...

When absolutely, positively, must have your ransom delivered on time, call a seal team.

The ransom will be delivered squarely between the eyes.

B. F. D.

What was Obama's other choice? Seriously, what the fuck other option was there?

#244 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2009-04-14 11:42 AM | Reply | Flag:

Well, according you and other right-wing dingle-berries, Obama had "FAILED TO ACT". I do believe that was the headline Drudge used and it was the Mantra of ORreally/Hanutty/Limpblob for the past week.

This tiny victory for the nation against piracy ballooned into an Obama Victory because you clowns tried to attack him and it backfired. You must hate that.

not to mention that these Murdering Republican Pirates also killed 1 million innocent Iraqis in the process!

p.s Also how "Courageous" did the "High Tek" US Navy have to be to take on half a dozen untrained Somalis who were armed,not with missles,F-16's or helicopter gunships but with a few rifles and machines guns? Oh yes the SEALS were so fucking brave here weren't they!

#234 | Posted by AntiCadillac

First if all, the number of 1 million dead Iraqi's has been proven to be completely false and extremely exaggerated. Libs like you just like to keep saying it because you want people to believe your lies. Secondly, I'd like to see how brave your pussy ass would be going into a mission against men armed with AK-47's. It's obvious that you're anti-America, but why go after the SEALS? They just did their job.

Pirates! Gimme a break these scumbags are Muslim nothings---lets not make these assholes out to be more then they are

...then they are what?

this has nothing to do with Obama or politics. Its just the good work of our military. Maybe hitting a target from 25-30 yards isn't that big of a deal for a trained sniper, but what I think is pretty impressive is that in the time they saw the Somalis leveling their weapons on the captain they targeted and fired and saved him. That's pretty cool.

What I'd like to see Obama do now is give our Navy permission to fire on these idiots when the life of a civilian isn't in danger. If our servicemen could have done what they did under the pressure of a life saving situation I'm sure they could have done it hours beforehand. The military should also be allowed to engage them before they've taken hostages.

What I'd like to see Obama do now is give our Navy permission to fire on these idiots when the life of a civilian isn't in danger.

Can't do it.The chances of them throwing a dead baby in the water is just to great.
Obama can't afford to make this decision until a fall guy is established.

rwd

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