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Tuesday, April 07, 2009

The Vermont Legislature voted Tuesday to override Gov. Jim Douglas' veto of a bill allowing gays and lesbians to marry, which makes it the fourth state to legalize gay marriage -- and the first to do so by legislative vote. The vote was 23-5 to override in the state Senate and 100-49 to override in the House, above the two-thirds of each chamber required to override.

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New Jersey will be next, with NY probably not far behind.

Eat Your hearts out You bigotted assed Homophobic MOFO's How doYou like them apples bwhahahahahahahahahahha

Larry

Congratulations, Vermont.

Now's the time to buy meteor insurance!

I have no problem with states granting special legal status to various relationships borne of perversions so long as its done legislatively and not by a judicial fiat that imposes the will of a shrill special interest group on an unwilling public.

Sorry but when the civil rights of fellow Americans are being denied they must be rememdied in the Judicial Court systems. I am sorry that many on the right have such a hard time understanding this. Maybe when their civil rights are denied then they will wake up to that fact.

Larry

They're here, they're queer, get used to it.

Amazingly heterosexual marriages in Vermont continued exactly as they had before.

Now the legislatures should move to take out the legal benefits that accrue to married people, at the expense of us singles. Every time somebody fills out a tax return and files "married filing jointly", my bills go up, theirs goes down, and my civil rights are violated.

Dems don't care about that though.

RiR

find your best friend

marry him for the tax benefits.

No thanks. I'd rather just take away everyone else's.

You should marry for love, and all that. Not so you can make twice as much for the same level of taxation.

This should be heartening news to theonebs, Johnson and fwthom.

I mean, if you want to stamp out sex in any form, there's nothing better than the third year of marriage, right?


RiR
find your best friend
marry him for the tax benefits.
........#10 | Posted by klifferd

......with RiR's charm, making friends has never been easy.....

I love the smell of civil rights in the morning.

That's santorum, dude.


Eat Your hearts out You bigotted assed Homophobic MOFO's How doYou like them apples bwhahahahahahahahahahha

Larry

#2 | Posted by LarryMohr


....said the inhabitants of Sodom to Lot!


...said the inhabitants of Sodom to Lot!

"Please rape my virgin daughters instead of my male guest..."
-said Lot to the inhabitants of Sodom

....said the inhabitants of Sodom to Lot!


#16 | Posted by TheOneBS

What my darling daughters? You brought me a beverage?
How thoughtful!

This is good news for defenders of marriage equity, because while you might know it from Proposition 8's victory last year, voter initiatives to ban gay marriage are becoming harder and harder to pass every year.

www.fivethirtyeight.com

Well at least it's good to know Zombie that you recognize what Sodom's sin was. Some on this board suggest it was "inhospitality" that pitted God against them. Those evil men of Sodom were just practicing bad etiquet and manners. I'll bet they used their salad forks to eat their goat burgers too.

At least you recognize it was their blatant homosexual behavior that was the problem.

Kudos!

"Please rape my virgin daughters instead of my male guest..."
-said Lot to the inhabitants of Sodom

"No thanks. We'll take the male guest."
-said the Sodom Progressives

"etiquette" for the spell nazis

At least you recognize it was their blatant homosexual behavior that was the problem.

Kudos!

Unfortunately, you don't recognize that just because something appears in a millenia-old book doesn't mean it's true or embodies values worthy of imitation.

"No thanks. We'll take the male guest."
-said the Sodom Progressives

"Are you SURE you don't want to rape my daughters instead?"

- "No, we'll just wait outside."

Good on vermont! One by one. It's high time you guys put your fundies back where they belong...the 18th century?

More like the 14th Century.

Congrats Vermont!!

Some on this board suggest it was "inhospitality" that pitted God against them. Those evil men of Sodom were just practicing bad etiquet and manners. I'll bet they used their salad forks to eat their goat burgers too.

At least you recognize it was their blatant homosexual behavior that was the problem.

Kudos!

#20 | Posted by TheOneBS

Take it up with the prophet Ezekial:

Your elder sister is Samaria, who lived with her daughters to the north of you; and your younger sister, who lived to the south of you, is Sodom with her daughters. You not only followed their ways, and acted according to their abominations; within a very little time you were more corrupt than they in all your ways. As I live, says the Lord GOD, your sister Sodom and her daughters have not done as you and your daughters have done. This was the guilt of your sister Sodom: she and her daughters had pride, excess of food and prosperous ease, but did not aid the poor and needy. They were haughty and did abominable things before me; therefore I removed them when I saw it.

Ezekiel 16:46-50

Unfortunately, you don't recognize that just because something appears in a millenia-old book doesn't mean it's true or embodies values worthy of imitation.

#23 | Posted by ZombieHunter

I see! So Lot should have invited the friendly and inquisitive Sodom gents into his house. Offering his daughter was atrocious, but having a good circle jerk with the neighbors is a value worth imitating!

Now the legislatures should move to take out the legal benefits that accrue to married people, at the expense of us singles. Every time somebody fills out a tax return and files "married filing jointly", my bills go up, theirs goes down, and my civil rights are violated.

Dems don't care about that though.

#9 | Posted by rightisright

Like Republicans care about it either, you hack!

#27 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue

SAR, we've already had this conversation. "Abomination" look it up again!

" Every time somebody fills out a tax return and files "married filing jointly", my bills go up, theirs goes down, and my civil rights are violated."

Except you have the right to marry someone you love, and change that status to "married filing jointly", unlike your gay neighbors. They have no such civil right. You always seem to skate over that most salient of points.

""Abomination" look it up again!"

That's the word used to describe eating shellfish.

So, according to the Bible, being gay is about as bad as having a shrimp cocktail.

SAR, we've already had this conversation. "Abomination" look it up again!

#30 | Posted by TheOneBS

But Theo, Ezekiel doesn't specify WHAT the abomination is. He could just as easily have meant the things listed prior were the "abominable things". And even if he did mean anything related to homosexuality, he put it #6 on the list.

"Every time somebody fills out a tax return and files "married filing jointly", my bills go up, theirs goes down, and my civil rights are violated."

Do you ever think about anything except how much tax you pay or how much less someone else pays???

One note Charlie.

GOD HATES SHRIMP!

As Vermont goes, so goes the nation. herm

So, according to the Bible, being gay is about as bad as having a shrimp cocktail.

#32 | Posted by Danforth

Or wearing a poly-blend shirt. (Which no self-respecting gay man would EVER do anyway)

May every other state follow suit, Vermont is a beautiful state except for the freezing cold.

"As Vermont goes, so goes the nation. herm"

That has to be the dumbest post I have ever seen on this site. While I support what their legislature did here, I can't think of a state more full of people who are out of touch with the rest of American than Vermont. Perhaps that's why we hear more talk of secession from them than anyone else.

Flush Vermont!

I can't think of a state more full of people who are out of touch with the rest of American than Vermont. ......
#39 | Posted by joe

.....they are out of touch because they are in the lead........

.....the rest of the country will catch up to them in fits and starts......

......for example: Vermont did away with witch-burning in 1709......and Kansas plans to do away with it in 2011.....

Come on son..we goin on a one way huntin trip!

Rasta, Vermont is beautiful because of the freezIng cold.
And the snow.

Planet Earth to Fundie Wingnuts:

Please go fuck yourselves. Perhaps you'd be more comfortable in Afganistan where rape is legal and women are treated worse than goats. It's a Rtard Paradise!!!!

Great News! Now people the state of Vermont can play pretend with the approval of the state, it might not be real but that's the point of a good game of make believe.

Congratulations to human rights.

Religion belongs in the private sphere. The public sphere is where we create governance that allows us to live together in peace. Does it hurt anyone to allow a gay woman to marry another?

My marriage to my wife is not made less significant because gay men can marry one another.

"Perhaps that's why we hear more talk of secession from them than anyone else.

#39 | Posted by joe "

That's spelled A-L-A-S-K-A, little joe.

I see! So Lot should have invited the friendly and inquisitive Sodom gents into his house. Offering his daughter was atrocious, but having a good circle jerk with the neighbors is a value worth imitating!

The One BS, would you allow yourself to be ass raped if it spared your loved ones that fate? Hypothetically speaking. Would you be selfless... like Jesus and take one for the team? That's what Lot should have been prepared for, knowing that he lived in a city full of gay rapists.

Anyway, you missed the point. The story of Sodom is precisely that... a story. You treat it as if it were an actual event, and cling to its literal significance. Also, you can't produce any evidence for why homosexuality is so "abominable". You just say, "the bible says so" and keep on flapping your trap. The bible means nothing unless you have something to back it up. All you have is a story about God punishing gay rapists, and you extrapolate that to mean we should persecute homosexuals in the real world. The fact is that God doesn't smite every woman that doesn't leave town on her period, and he doesn't seem to care much about people who eat shrimp cocktails. He doesn't smite every divorcee who has sex with another person. He doesn't strike down disobedient children. What makes you think he would spend the time to murder a bunch of gay people?

According to the story, God held off on the destruction of Sodom and spared Lot because he was a "righteous," man, yet this righteous man was happy to let his daughters be gang-raped. He also killed Lot's wife for looking back at a work of mass-murder in progress. I can extract a couple of morals from this story.

1.) Homosexuals deserve to be killed en masse.
2.) Offering up your daughters to be raped is acceptable to God, whereas disobeying a command to not look in a certain direction merits death.
3.) The worth of a person is determined by what hole they stick/take it in.

Face it. This God is a petty, vindictive bastard with a predisposition toward genocide. Sounds like the devil to me.

The Suffragettes should have fought their case in Vermont.

It took a Constitutional Amendment to make voting a right. Before that, it was up to the States to decide - State issue.

I don't believe it.

The God stuff.

#48 | POSTED BY ZOMBIEHUNTER

Hahaha, nicely done. I profess Christianity, and grew up in the reformed denominations of the church. It is so nice to hear fundies retorted by taking the Bible out of context in the same way that they do. We should do more of this. There are even better examples than the shrimp one.

Fundamental Christianity resulted in the Crusades (and worse, George W. Bush). Fundamental Islam results in wife-rape, beheadings, and terrorism. It is unfortunate that the fundamentalists are the loudest supporters of their religions.

"Now the legislatures should move to take out the legal benefits that accrue to married people, at the expense of us singles. Every time somebody fills out a tax return and files "married filing jointly", my bills go up, theirs goes down, and my civil rights are violated."

I agree let's do away with the singles' penalty and the childless penalty and the single and childless penalty.

Can you say one less repub gov come next election......

LM

"....said the inhabitants of Sodom to Lot!"

Dear, dear Theo:

Could I ask just one eensy little favor of you? Just one?

Would you be willing to devote ten percent of your posts to the sin of usury - just one post in ten? I know that sodomy is very, very important to you, but the Bible actually says a whole bunch more about usury, and as you know, our banking and financial system are so firmly based in usurious practices that God must be stockpiling thunderbolts to get enough to throw at all the sinners breaking His law on the subject.

Or isn't usury icky enough to give you that thrillingly disgusting clean/unclean Madonna/whore feeling when you post on it?

"It's nobody's business but ours." Jack Twist.

It is unfortunate that the fundamentalists are the loudest supporters of their religions.

#52 | Posted by illumin at 2009-04-07 04:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

Of course they are, it's ALL THEY HAVE. People like this don't have normal human relationships because they're abusive narcissistic assholes...

You should marry for love, and all that. Not so you can make twice as much for the same level of taxation.

#11 | Posted by rightisright

Hmmmm..


Single $357701 taxable income 35%

MFJ $357701 taxable income 35%

Shouldn't it be double?

Sounds like the same old bunch of liberals suffering from
LPOD .


I have no problem with states granting special legal status to various relationships borne of perversions so long as its done legislatively and not by a judicial fiat that imposes the will of a shrill special interest group on an unwilling public.

#5 | Posted by Jak_Se_Mao at 2009-04-07 12:05 PM | Reply |

Yeah I think the courts are only cool if they rule in my favor too.

Don't talk with your mouth full Larry

ANOTHER WIN FOR THE BANKING QUEEN!

"That has to be the dumbest post I have ever seen on this site. While I support what their legislature did here, I can't think of a state more full of people who are out of touch with the rest of American than Vermont. Perhaps that's why we hear more talk of secession from them than anyone else."

The number of Vermonters who treat the secession idea seriously is very, very small. But some of those small number are folks who have logic to their argument. I don't agree with them, but they are not stupid, nor can I leap to the conclusion that most of the people in the state are out of touch with "the rest of American." I don't even know what that means. Seems to me much of America is out of touch with much of America. Did I miss a memo?

GO, VERMONT LEGISLATURE. I'm amazed that they pulled off an override. (Douglas is an ass.) I'm surprised that some of the legislators voted one way on the bill and another on the override (in both directions). Politics is fascinating.

PRAGMATIST: Thanks for your response. I now know what an ASSHOLE is.

I suggest you and your Vermonters seceed. What a great way to make this a better country.

I now know what an ASSHOLE is.


#65 | Posted by ozzieoswald at 2009-04-08 11:32 AM

So then you now know where your head has been all your life.

I now know what an ASSHOLE is.
#65 | Posted by ozzieoswald

Yup, that would be what you've heretofore identified as the "boneda," "goot," or "pitbahuti" and not the "couchie," "fan fan," "kalinirehem," or "peeps."


"It's nobody's business but ours." Jack Twist.

#56 | Posted by suzycreamcheese


Then why does Vermont make it its business if a guy wants to marry his aunt?

Cousins, okay.
Yeah, cousins are okay.
In fact, cousins are hot.
But aunts?
Such a dirty mind.
~Rudolph "It's Not My Nose That's Red, Dear" Giuliani

Give me MO DICKHEAD!
#71 | Posted by ozzieoswald

It seems like only yesterday you were crying out for "cronch," "hohoo," "mimi," "peck peck," "peepeesh," "poombinga," and "winkie."

"But aunts?
Such a dirty mind.
~Rudolph "It's Not My Nose That's Red, Dear" Giuliani"

#70 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis


You didn't address the point. This is a common problem. Is it an attention issue or a comprehension issue?

The intellectual impact of an Oozie post never ceases to amaze.

Clever, witty, well-thought out, and always delightfully literate, he's such an addition to any discussion.

You're a powerhouse, Ooze.

#73 | Posted by FreddyK

My understanding of Vermont's incest laws is that it's a felony for a male when the relationship involves one's "mother, grandmother, daughter, granddauther, sister, brother's daughter, sister's daughter, father's sister, or mother's sister." For a woman those concerned are "her father, grandather, son, grandson, brother, brother's son, sister's son, father's brother, or mother's brother." (books.google.com) "Incest" is a culturally determined concept (often related to prevailing mores, including religious beliefs, and ideas about "the good of societ"), and I don't quite see how it is ipso facto in any way linked to same-sex marriages in Vermont, unless the persons enumerated above are included in the relationship.

Somebody's done their homework!

"Somebody's done their homework!"

Three minutes knocked off my Time Out sentence.
Quality time.

"I don't quite see how it is ipso facto in any way linked to same-sex marriages in Vermont, unless the persons enumerated above are included in the relationship."

#75 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis

THe post I was responding to implied that it was not the governments business who anyone marries.

And your arguments stated above about "prevailing mores, including religious beliefs, and ideas about "the good of societ"),"

could also apply to same sex marriage. You see no connection?

The only connection is that the govenment established rules about marriage. I'm inclined to believe there should be some rules. For example, I don't think 12-year-old should be allowed to marry. But I really don't care about many of the restrictions, e.g. polygamy (assuming we're talking mutual consent). I've no problem with same-sex marriage, but I'm not keen on sibling marriages. For me, there's quite a bit of ambivalence here.

The issue is the ability to give consent. Children and animals cannot. I suppose that if the Mormon Tabernacle Choir is all over 18 and took a vote, someone should be able to marry it. It's a gray area as to whether those who voted against it would also be sealed for time and all eternity. herm

Certainly not up my ASS like you DIRT BAG!
.....#67 | Posted by ozzieoswald

......don't play coy Ozzie.....

.....we know how you Repubs like your lovin'.......

Well at least it's good to know Zombie that you recognize what Sodom's sin was. Some on this board suggest it was "inhospitality" that pitted God against them. Those evil men of Sodom were just practicing bad etiquet and manners. I'll bet they used their salad forks to eat their goat burgers too.
At least you recognize it was their blatant homosexual behavior that was the problem.
Kudos!
#20 | Posted by TheOneBS at 2009-04-07 01:39 PM

Jud 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

Ezekiel 16:49 Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy.
16:50 And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good.

"Homosexuality" isn't mentioned.

"Fulness of bread" is though.

So be warned of throwing stoned and breaking the glass loaf in thine own eye; a gold-breaker be not while doething unto other selves! Amen.

Again, do a more indepth study on "abominations."

Yeah, the same word is used to describe eating shellfish. Though the thought of a dick in another man's mouth irritates (and possibly arouses) you, God is equally offended when you put shrimp in your mouth.

It might help to look at verse 5 of Genesis 19 to get a better understanding of how wretched the city had become.

And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them. (Genesis 5:19)

Our righteous man Lot prefers that his daughters be gang-raped, and this pleases God very much. After all, God thinks Lot is still a man righteous enough to save from the city's destruction. But watch out - looking back when you're running away from the city is a sin punishable by death.

Hmmmmm, doesn't the verse read very similar to those gay rights folk who are engaging in intimidating and violent bahavior against the present day Lots who voted for Prop 8, or the LarryMohrs who rail against homophobic MOFOs?

Only if you've completely lost touch with reality. In the story of the destruction of Sodom, you've got a crowd of rapists on the prowl. Nobody was trying to gang rape the Prop 8 supporters or their houseguests. You would do well to remember that you're bluster rests on a bunch of stories that you can never prove, and that's a pretty flimsy rationale for hatred.

The "god" you believe in, BS, is a genocidal douche and a stain on the trousers of humanity. We have enough jackasses among our ranks - we don't need to believe in an all-powerful and invisible jackass too.

ZH: Excellent post.

That has to be the dumbest post I have ever seen on this site. While I support what their legislature did here, I can't think of a state more full of people who are out of touch with the rest of American than Vermont. Perhaps that's why we hear more talk of secession from them than anyone else.

#39 | Posted by joe at 2009-04-07 02:57 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Perhaps that's why we hear more talk of secession from them than anyone else."

What state is number two on your list? Is it Sarah 'The Secessionist' Palin's home state of Alaska or Texas?

Hmmmmm, I see my post #80 was pulled. Pretty obvious the moderator is highly slanted toward the left as far worse things have been posted by libtards full of hatred and rage.

I guess if you're on the left and hate, it's ok!

That's right, and don't forget it fuckwad.

TheoneofBS-
Whatever did you say?

Poor Theo. Maybe now he understands discrimination a little better.

He sure as hell understands how to be a whiny little pseudo-Christian.

Hmmmmm, I see my post #80 was pulled. Pretty obvious the moderator is highly slanted toward the left as far worse things have been posted by libtards full of hatred and rage.

I actually got a chuckle out of your little "hymn," though it was probably prudent to remove it.

I doubt RCade was aware that equality translates to hate and rage in the conservative tongue.

And this is what we call majority rules. What is the point of holding a vote, like in California, if some judge is just going to overturn it? The will of the people means shit. And don't I always hear libs screaming one man one vote? Sure, unless that vote goes against what they want. In that case they take it to the courts. I know we have them on both sides, but liberals are the biggest hypocrites on the face of the earth. They love democracy just as long as it's the democracy that they want. If things don't turn out their way they protest and fight it until it is sent to a court.

Courts are not where our laws, laws that were voted on by the public, are meant to be decided.

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