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Tuesday, April 07, 2009

Medical officers who oversaw terrorism suspect interrogations in CIA secret prisons committed gross violations of medical ethics and in some cases essentially participated in torture, the Red Cross concluded in a report revealed yesterday by the New York Review of Books. The report quoted one medical official telling a detainee, "I look after your body only because we need you for information."

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Revoke their licenses if it is found to be true.

"Please Dr. Sarvis, I swear there's nothing hidden up there."

What 2008 said. I thught their oaths were to do no harm. what fucking useless pieces of shit these fucks are. Send them to The Hague as well.

Larry

COME ON, war crimes anyone?!?!?!

President George W. Bush said we do not torture, so rest easy!

I went through worse than water boarding and sleep deprevation and cold rooms when pledging in college and in Basic Training....

I sort of assumed this, but did not want to believe it. There are few who know more about how pain affects the body.

Dr mengele anyone?

There are few who know more about how pain affects the body.

#7 | Posted by kanrei at 2009-04-07 01:16 PM |

My Boy Georgie does!

Sincerely,

Jeff Gannon.

Dr mengele anyone?

#8 | POSTED BY HAGBARD_CELINE AT 2009-04-07 01:24 PM | REPLY

You ever read what Mengele actually did?

they should have their licenses revoked and they should be imprisoned

What 2008 said. I thught their oaths were to do no harm. what fucking useless pieces of shit these fucks are. Send them to The Hague as well.

Larry

#3 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2009-04-07 12:51 PM

We have our own code of laws Larry and can take care of this without the help of the NWO. as for taking their licenses, i don't believe the people these doctors are working with would care. they aren't even "practicing" in the states where they are licensed.

yea, this isn't quite mengele either. experimenting on people for shits and giggles to create the super-human isn't quite the same as making sure someone doesn't die while being tortured. but i'm sure some modern doctors appreciate his research on genetics...

in fact, i'm suprised no one realized before now there MUST be a doctor present while this is going on in order to prevent the death of the prisoner.

#10
Yeah, I admit the exaggeration.

You ever read what Mengele actually did?

#10 | Posted by somoco at 2009-04-07 02:06 PM | Reply |

Did you ever see what Ilsa the she wolf actually did?

Did you ever see what Ilsa the she wolf actually did?

Posted by panchovilla at 2009-04-07 03:04 PM |

Every disgusting moment of it...twice!

"The report's release puts added pressure on the Obama administration, which has banned the use of waterboarding and similar techniques".

so the 3 individuals that were waterboarded (one being khalid mohammad (sp?)) were the only cases going beyond that which obama sanctions?

is this correct?

downloading it now!

"CIA officials have confirmed that three of the prisoners were subjected to waterboarding, which simulates drowning."

so should we not allow detainees access to medical doctors during standard interrogation techniques?

and since BO apparently hasn't repealed those standard techniques that many here bitch about, should he be thrown in jail as well?

Not only did they participate in torture but they also served as a legal stopgap by certifying that the prisoners who died under torture did do so due to pre-existing conditions.

so should we not allow detainees access to medical doctors during standard interrogation techniques?

Torture is standard now?

They used doctors in South America to keep torture victims alive longer too.

Those doctors were wrong too.

That's clearly a breach of medical ethics and simple humanity.

Undeniably so.

and since BO apparently hasn't repealed those standard techniques that many here bitch about, should he be thrown in jail as well?

Again, they are not standard and if you can prove that Obama has caused anyone to be tortured feel free to make the case.

Are you talking about the renditions? Cos while they havent been repealed per se they are back to using the Clinto era rules of "no renditioning to other countries to be tortured" rather than the Bushian "Sent em directly to countries that torture as a matter of course and then electrify their balls till they pass out"

The MCA?

Wot specifically are you talking about?

Be Well.

I went through worse than water boarding and sleep deprevation and cold rooms when pledging in college and in Basic Training....

#6 | Posted by Spielmannsfluch at 2009-04-07 01:16 PM | Reply |

Riiight, and the prison you've been locked up in for the last 8 years lets you out for 10 minutes every day to make dumbfuck posts.

I apologize though if you were just going for a funny flag.

Roe v Wade required medical judgment.

I'm sure medical judgment was properly exercised here.

I went through worse than water boarding and sleep deprevation and cold rooms when pledging in college and in Basic Training....

#6 | Posted by Spielmannsfluch at 2009-04-07 01:16 PM

Except of course that you were NOT being held prisoner at the time by a group whom you had every expectation, based on what they had already done to you and others like you, could have just as likely killed you at a moments notice. I'm sure that being in a situation like that would have a significant impact on how one would look at and react to any treatment which one would be forced to endure.

Yep, just like being hazed in school.

PLEASE, GIVE US A BREAK!!!!

OCU

In related news...

Doctors torture and kill tiny babies thousands of times a day, right here in the U.S.A.

spud i'm talking about the military manual on interrogation techniques that obama has not revised. it allows for psychological techniques and i'm not sure which category all these fall into, such as sleep deprivation etc. obama has gotten rid of enhanced techniques (such as waterboarding) and renditions, but standard military techniques include nudity, bags over the head etc etc. shouldn't doctors oversee these? how far do they go? i don't think we know the details and obama won't be allowing that info to get out... for good reason of course.

now when it comes to the 3 individuals that underwent waterboarding....

"U.S. and Pakistani authorities captured KSM on March 1, 2003 in Rawalpindi, Pakistan. KSM stayed mum for months, often answering questions with Koranic chants. Interrogators eventually waterboarded him for just 90 seconds.

KSM "didn't resist," one CIA veteran said in the August 13 issue of The New Yorker. "He sang right away. He cracked real quick." Another CIA official told ABC News: "KSM lasted the longest under water-boarding, about a minute and a half, but once he broke, it never had to be used again."

KSM's revelations helped authorities identify and incarcerate at least six major terrorists:"

article.nationalreview.com

90 seconds for a world of information. and it can be argued that it was 90 seconds of psychological interrogation, considering he never actually drowned.

so i ask u, is it better to sleep deprive individuals for days on end (obama admin's technique) or 90 seconds of perceived hell? which is actually more dangerous to their health? and if you don't think either should be used then how come you aren't bitching about obama??

Renditions are still in play that is why I will not be revoting for Obama in 2012 unless He reverses course on that one.

Larry

Cos while they havent been repealed per se they are back to using the Clinto era rules of "no renditioning to other countries to be tortured" rather than the Bushian "Sent em directly to countries that torture as a matter of course and then electrify their balls till they pass out"

#19 | Posted by dethspud

do you have evidence for this one?

90 seconds for a world of information. and it can be argued that it was 90 seconds of psychological interrogation, considering he never actually drowned.

If you truly believe that the BushCo torture program consisted of three individuals and 90 seconds of waterboarding like the Hoover Institute apologist you cite insist was the cse then Spud has a bridge he'd like to sell you.

do you have evidence for this one?

www.salon.com

washingtonindependent.com

www.huffingtonpost.com

www.americantorture.com

America has a long and dishonorable history of involving itself in the torture of others. In most cases it was American backed dictatorships using torture and disappearances in order to cow the population into subservience but under Bush Americans began torturing individuals itself.

Some may say that that differecne is so small as to make no appreciable difference at all but Spud sees it quite differently.

Torture doesn't just affect the one being tortured but also the one who does it.

Be Well.

from your own source (wash-indy): "Whether you want to label that a deliberate and dangerous "loophole" or merely a cautious approach that allows further study of a difficult problem seems to depend on which side of the aisle you're sitting on."

couldn't it be both?

look i don't know exactly where i stand.. just wanted to open up a real debate. and i hate to defend bush but in your own words: can you prove that more than 3 have been waterboarded? and if you're going to deflect to the renditions, then your most credible source alone didn't show any difference in obama's policy so far regarding that.

and lets not forget that america also has a long and honorable history of benevolent actions as well.... neither should be overlooked.

good talking to u-heading home!

This one has me torn. On one side, there are the videos of them slowly sawing of the heads of Americans that have been captured. ( please dont tell me that any of you have forgotten this)

And on the other side there is the argument that we are supposed to be better then this, that we are supposed to stand for somthing greater and be above such primative things as torture. That we willing viloate their human rights and what not.

To be honest this is a tuff one for me, and one that I think will be debated by many people for many more years to come.

i'm suprised no one realized before now there MUST be a doctor present while this is going on in order to prevent the death of the prisoner.

Can anyone name one of america's enemies that had DOCTORS present at interrogations to ensure prisoners didnt die? Name an islamic one for that matter. I wonder what Daniel Pearl would say? I dont give a FUCK who you are, you wont be naming one. You liberals are fucking idiots to know how good your country is....

Another Obama promise gone to hell.

MAKES OBAMA A ONE TERM PRESIDENT - thank god.

Can anyone name one of america's enemies that had DOCTORS present at interrogations to ensure prisoners didnt die?

Another sick fuck who doesn't actually think about what he said here.

You are actually approving of torture and have a doctor present so they prisoner won't die. Nice seeing the UP side of our MILITARY OFFICERS. "Let's torture and have doctor heal so we can torture again, and again, and again....."

Not sure what's worse, people like Dommer or our torturing government people.

You are actually approving of torture and have a doctor present so they prisoner won't die.

We are at least compassionate enough to have a doctor there at all. You never addressed my point, our enemies dont do that. They behead us. You seem to like that, you dont address it. Silence is quiet approval.

"You liberals are fucking idiots to know how good your country is...."

I'm grappling with this. I haven't fucked an idiot in ages, but if I do so, how and why will I then know how good my country is? Boaz is a my country right or wrong ugly cheering for torture and any other Bushie atrocity to make life easier for corporations and harder for folks with turbans on their heads. herm

how about an obama atocity? he didn't revoke it. now we can wait and see if the alphabets pick up on anything...outside of blowing PBHO.

After the fallout these doctors will all go to work at VA hospitals across the country...

The physicians aren't there to minimize torture. They're there to maximize torture.

Doctors should be present on the battlefield in every battle. No one should be allowed to fire a rifle, pistol, etc. in the military without a doctor being present. The purpose of the medic is to ensure the enemy doesn't kill their enemy.

Remember - it's ok to kill, severely injure and permanently disable your enemy on the battlefield and that is humane, but to do it to a prisoner is immoral. It's ok to drive over the enemy with a tank or use a flamethrower against a nest of baddies in the building, but it is forbidden to touch the poor prisoner.

There are no civilians in a war zone. Prisoners should be given quarter - everyone else should be wasted.

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