not to worry - everyone who's unemployed will get to go into the ncsf - where the playing field will be leveled and everyone will be the same regardless of age, race, sex...but if you're "religious" it had better not be "christianity" - people steeped in sin yet unrecognizing of it hate christians...we'd be fair game.

Lockheed had better start making TVs.

I don't think we need to keep the Military Complex around for the sole sake of creating jobs.

They could employ even more people if they focused on feeding and clothing the poor people of the world instead of discovering advanced ways to kill them.

They could employ even more people if they focused on feeding and clothing the poor people of the world instead of discovering advanced ways to kill them.

#2 | Posted by Manypaths at 2009-04-06 03:16 PM | Reply |

Like George carlin said, there is no money in that for the greedy bankers to get they're hands on.

95,000 jobs is a spicy number. It doesn't sound like the F-22 is all that critical especially with the F-35 maturing, and this helicopter project doesn't sound all that necessary either, but still... that's a lot of jobs. And they won't all be executive level with big happy multi-million dollar pensions.

I wouldn't trust any job numbers linked to the helicopter deal since the aircraft (at least the first 6 or 7) were actually going to be manufactured overseas by a company which is a joint venture of Spain and the UK. Lockheed Martin was simply the prime contractor, making the official 'company-of-record' an American corporation. Granted, they were eventually supposed to move 60% of the manufactured content of the later aircraft to American located subcontractors, but I wouldn't have been surprised if that had never actually happened.

......about time.......

Maybe while the Pres. is cutting costs he will decide he doesn't need a fleet of 28 new helicopters that each cost more than the last Air Force 1.

$140 million per goddammed plane?

Shit and the tighty righties had a freak out over allowing children to see a doctor.

"I am extremely disappointed in this decision by the Obama administration," said Sen. Saxby Chambliss, R-Ga., said of the proposal to quit buying the F-22 Raptor plane beyond 187 already planned.

I bet this fucktard voted against the SChip plan too.

Senators Saxby Chambliss, R-Ga., and Johnny Isakson, R-Ga., on Thursday night rejected a massive $35 billion expansion of a children's healthcare program,

Goddamn I hate it when I am right.

Maybe while the Pres. is cutting costs he will decide he doesn't need a fleet of 28 new helicopters that each cost more than the last Air Force 1.

#7 | Posted by noah

Uh Noah......you might want to read the fucking article. It's not that long.

It might help that 'YOU LOOK LIKE AN IDIOT' appearence you seem to be projecting.

Just a thought.........

Maybe while the Pres. is cutting costs he will decide he doesn't need a fleet of 28 new helicopters that each cost more than the last Air Force 1.

#7 | Posted by noah at 2009-04-07 05:47 P

Ummmm.... he already did that... do try and keep up.

"The helicopter we have now seems perfectly adequate to me," Mr Obama said at a White House summit to discuss reining in government spending. "Obviously, I've never had a helicopter before."

Maybe while the Pres. is cutting costs he will decide he doesn't need a fleet of 28 new helicopters that each cost more than the last Air Force 1.
~Noah

I believe the new Marine 1's were about the first thing on the chopping block.

Secondly the AF 1's were build in the late 80's, try building them today for less than 400 million each..

Thirdly, there are only 5 fucking sentences in the attached article.

You ought to see what one of them says about the fucking copters!!!!!

we don't need the armed forces anymore the whole world loves us once again,who would want to do us harm? thank you obama now if you would take the ax and chop the fucking head off that monster you have the balls to call a budget we wouldn't be paying for china's massive military buildup.

This is a very good example of what's wrong with us as a country.

cutting fat these days actually means spending more than last year but changing the contractor to whom we are giving contracts.

Gates is the smartest man in our government. he knows that it's corrupt and he just does his job, like a good little soldier. If I'm not mistaken, he is the only person to go from the Bush admin to the Obama admin. Ironic, ain't it?

I'll bring this post from the other thread . .
tsk-tsk - - we DID vote for change

Two F-16 fighter jets are escorting a private Cessna 172 aircraft from Ontario, Canada

a) China & Russia announce BIG defense program increases
b) Sec Gates/Obama announces BIG defense cuts - - including CANCEL Air Force's F22 JET contract

the F16's were simply escorting an F22 replacement from Canada - - Cessna with a .22 cal LR
it was supposed to be kept kinda low key

the pilot unresponsive to requests that he establish communications with ground control

Typical Liberal--raise taxes and cut defense spending.

And wasn't it hilarious that Obama wants to cut nukes just as NK was blasting off a rocket?

Oh but the UN will figure something out--sometime--in the near--not to distant-- future.

He protested he was Not naive--Rather--Obama is very naive.

And wasn't it hilarious that Obama wants to cut nukes just as NK was blasting off a rocket?

Oh but the UN will figure something out--sometime--in the near--not to distant-- future.

He protested he was Not naive--Rather--Obama is very naive.

#17 | Posted by MURPHY

Yes, because goodness knows, we need 2-3000 warheads to keep ourselves safe from L'il Kim.

And what did YOUR dear leader do about the North Koreans last time they did this????

"Bush Says UN Must Send a Clear Message to North Korea

July 7 (Bloomberg) -- President George W. Bush said the United Nations must send a clear message to North Korea's leader to disarm and that ``rallying world opinion'' takes time.

``What matters most of all is for Kim Jong Il to see the world speak with one voice,'' Bush told a news conference today at Chicago's Museum of Science and Industry."

Oh, he went to the UN too.

And what did YOUR dear leader do about the North Koreans last time they did this????

This cut in defense spending is dangerous. It reminds us of the famous so called "peace dividend" of the Clinton administration. Then, because the world was at peace, according to Clinton, he cut defense spending, reduced the amount of members of the military, and put the country in an all around us is well mentality. We all know the results of his so called peace dividend. It is good to remember that Nikita Kruschev, besides banging his shoe on the table at the United Nations, once said, "the next war will be fought on American soil." Present day Russian leader Mr. Vladimir Putin lately has been behaving very close to the same Nikita mentality. Our defense spending should not be cut. Another war in this time and age will be fought with what is already built, and not with what could be built during such. Pres. Kennedy stated once that: "We dare not tempt them with weakness, for only when our strength is beyond doubt, can we be certain that it will never have to be used."

Funny, stick a flag on it and it ain't pork anymore, it's all that stands between the US and bin laden.

I remember when Trent Lott porked a destroyer into the defence budget-a ship the Navy had no use for, but that created jobs in Mississippi.

Supporting useless, over priced weapons that create work in their district and lobbyist money in their pocket is something Republicans and Democrats can get all bi-partisan over.

And for all the righties like MarkH who are wetting themselves over China's "massive" defence budget increases, a lttle reality should work like talcum powder:

The Second Session of the 11th National People's Congress announced in March that China's 2009 defense budget is 480.686 billion yuan ($70.7 billion), increasing by 62.482 billion yuan ($9.2 billion), or 14.9 percent, over the previous year.

That's just over 1/10th of the US defence budget.

Or basically the same amount as the contractors are scamming.

And there is an INCREASE in the US defence budget (hint bigger numbers mean an increase), not a cut.

I know the Drudge Righties have rejected reality since 2000, but still ....

yikes, and I thought I was in the center??

Report: Chinese Develop Special "Kill Weapon" to Destroy U.S. Aircraft Carriers
Advanced missile poses substantial new threat for U.S. Navy
(source) U. S. Naval Institute, March 31, 2009

also, ya left out the part about their troop levels being double that of the US.

also II, "Chinese & Russian hackers pose danger to U.S. government and private-sector computer networks and may be responsible for two major U.S. power blackouts." (see WSJ 4/8)

with Pres-zero busy kissing arab ass & the congress busy printing money to bail out it's next victim . . one of the "bad guy powers" is gonna shove a missile in our face & say
"stick 'em up - - gimme the keys to the White House"
screw

opps, that last line - - -

"screw the Treasury,the congress has already cleaned that out"

And wasn't it hilarious that Obama wants to cut nukes just as NK was blasting off a rocket?

#17 | Posted by MURPHY

Save your pants pissing over NK rockets when they actually work.

#23 | Posted by markh

The chicoms will never do that... they know where their prosperity comes from... the US. They will not bite the hand that feeds them.

At $140 million, one F-22 will buy a bunch of $5 million Predator drones.

Drones are better than manned aircraft: they have no life support, can stay in the air for many hours, and if it is shot down, we lose no pilots.

And they carry equally lethal targeting and weapons.

Real pilots control them from a distance -- like Nintendo warfare. The pilots complain because it's not nearly so much fun.

I'd be more concerned about canceling some of the urban warfare robot weapons. These are like ground-Predators. They never get tired (that means discreetly watching a target for hours) they save soldiers' lives, and they are actually more accurate with a bullet compared to a human.

And wasn't it hilarious that Obama wants to cut nukes just as NK was blasting off a rocket?

#17 | Posted by MURPHY

McAnkles how many Nukes do you think it takes to destroy NK?

Real pilots control them from a distance -- like Nintendo warfare.

LOL

This is a great idea. Print extra trillions, expand social programs and expand government workers, and then gut our defense. Make more people dependent on our government. Even though there are many factions to this very day that have vowed to destroy our country, we're trashing defense spending and creating a dependent population. Don't take Iran's word for it and don't take anyone else's words seriously who have made it their ultimate goal to destroy the U.S.

Keep printing, adding more debt. Keep those multi-trillion dollar budgets and stimuli coming. This is all good policy. Hell, let's just print even more! I'm SURE this is going to end well.

I think it's time to get rid of all of the military. We can rely on the UN to take care of things.

>>I think it's time to get rid of all
>>of the military. We can rely on the
>>UN to take care of things

Yes, and let's not stop there. Let's just turn over our national sovereignty to them, get rid of the dollar, and while we're at it, isn't having a president obsolete policy? If we're going to have a one world government, we should have a one world leader. How about Supreme Leader Messiah Obama?

"Yes, and let's not stop there. Let's just turn over our national sovereignty to them, get rid of the dollar, and while we're at it, isn't having a president obsolete policy? If we're going to have a one world government, we should have a one world leader. How about Supreme Leader Messiah Obama?"

#32 | Posted by humanear

Wonderful idea! THen everyone in the world will have prosperity, free health care and never have to work. Utopia for all with Obama!

The UN? The old ladies corruption and debating society?

The Defense Budget is actually up. Gates is cutting programs that most non defense industry analysts say should be cut. The money will be used the fund the stuff that we actually need and use on a regular basis.

>>The Defense Budget is actually up.

Yes, exactly! Let's just completely eliminate ALL defense spending. After all, The One is making sure we don't even need a defense budget, so why have it?

Let's just write a big fat check to the UN and let them handle our defense needs. Don't have the money? We can just print it, just like Zimbabwe!

We'll print it faster than we print food stamps. In fact, I have an idea. Instead of using money, let's make it easier to buy food. We'll place a mark on everyone's forehead or hand, and we'll make a rule that nobody can buy or sell anything unless they have that mark. And we'll make it so that all you have to do is run your hand over a scanner and bam! Free food.

How will we pay for it? Raise the tax rates of anyone who's making $200,000 per year or more until they are basically making what the rest of us schlubs are making. Because then we'll give them incentive to work harder!

It works! Just ask every other country who tries it.

"From each according to his ability, To each according to his need." It's a flawless Utopian idea.

I don't think we need to keep the Military Complex around for the sole sake of creating jobs.

#2 | Posted by Manypaths at 2009-04-06 03:16 PM | Reply | Flag

well then why is obama expanding government to unparralled levels?

and I dont see anything wrong with all of the departments looking at budgets and cutting.maybe that could spill over into the OBAMA BUDGET...

OF COURSE there is this..only a democrat president will watch punks like north korea fire a rocket clearly meant to deliver nukes and then

SLASH MISSLE DEFENSE BUDGET

and dont give me that shit about gates being a republican...that only means he cant go to the democrat enemies list meetings.
he Does what his boss tells him to.

>>The Defense Budget is actually up.

Yes, exactly! Let's just completely eliminate ALL defense spending.

File under: Too stupid for words.

Typical Liberal--raise taxes and cut defense spending.

.......#17 | Posted by MURPHY

.......that's the only way to get to a balanced budget .......

....if you want to live like a republican, you have to vote democrat........

......defence + budget = oxymoron.........

.......that's the only way to get to a balanced budget .......

....if you want to live like a republican, you have to vote democrat........

#40 | Posted by skizziks at 2009-04

of course there is another way and its a way that HOPEFULLY you will remind me saying it when there are republican gains in both houses

the best way is to have a checks and balances that come with a republican house, a democrat white house, and a senate split right down the middle
and AGAIN...WHEN republicans regain the majority, it will be okay with me if you remind me of this statement.

Cutting the fat? I thought the military was relaxing standards so MORE fat people could serve.

Granted, I didn't read the article.

WHEN republicans regain the majority, it will be okay with me if you remind me of this statement.

#42 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2009-04-08 02:10 PM

Hopefully our granddaughters will be retired and living on Social Security by the time that happens.

OCU

the best way is to have a checks and balances that come with a republican house, a democrat white house, and a senate split right down the middle

.......#42 | Posted by afkabl2

......sounds like a Mexican stand-off........

.....I am actually hoping that third and fourth viable parties emerge to challenge the incumbents.....maybe a strong Libertarian and even a real socialist party, just to syphon off the real lefties ......then we can have a real democracy.....but just two parties facing off constantly has led to a state of mindless partinsanship.........

I like Defense Secretary Robert Gates have a lot of respect for him. I think his appointment by Bush as Sec. of Defense was the one brighter moves GWB made during his time in office. And thankfully Obama had the brains to realize keeping Gates on as his own Sec. of Defense would be a good idea.

Gates' move to cut the Pentagon budget is going to cost Californians thousands of jobs in Long Beach where they build Boeing's C-17, and in the South Bay area where there are many defense subcontractors for the C-17, the Hornet and the F-22, if these defense budget cuts go through. But it's a necessary move to bring us in line with today's warfare needs.

I'd read it's part of an overall plan by Gates to move from away from the more conventional military equipment not applicable to today's military style of waging war (i.e., tanks, heavy bombers) and put the funds to better elsewhere within the military. Gates wants to increase production of armed drones for use in Iraq and Afghanistan.

......sounds like a Mexican stand-off........

The Alamo has always been on the list of historical places I want to visit. Really.

Also would like to visit some Civil War battlegrounds.

The Alamo has always been on the list of historical places I want to visit. Really

Be sure to check out the basement!

CHRIS -

Gettysburg is a terrific battleground to visit. The surrounding area is commercialized as all hell, but the way the battlefield is presented (and the information at the visitors' center) allows someone who doesn't really know much about the battle to get a grasp of what happened there and why. The Alamo is interesting, although one of the most frequent comments I've heard about it is, "Oooh, it's so small." The Daughters of the Republic of Texas have quite literally turned it into a shrine.

CHRIS -
Gettysburg is a terrific battleground to visit. The surrounding area is commercialized as all hell, but the way the battlefield is presented (and the information at the visitors' center) allows someone who doesn't really know much about the battle to get a grasp of what happened there and why.

#48 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2009-04-08 03:20 PM

The Alamo is interesting, although one of the most frequent comments I've heard about it is, "Oooh, it's so small." The Daughters of the Republic of Texas have quite literally turned it into a shrine.

48 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2009-04-08 03:20 PM

I can understand why the Daughters of the Republic of Texas would want it enshrined. What other symbol better represents the individual love of freedom Texans are so famous for having than battle at the Alamo. Funny, though, many who fought and died at the Alamo were not originally from Texas but felt strongly about Texas becoming a Republic. Not to mention you have those two famous Americans -- Jim Bowie and Davy Crockett -- also in the fight! So much history in one small place.