"President George W. Bush had publicly described him as "al-Qaeda's chief of operations," and other top officials called him a "trusted associate" of al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden and a major figure in the planning of the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. None of that was accurate"

And this suprises who??????

The important thing here is that he was tortured by guys who knew what they were doing, which should be SOP for hostile mud people. Let's keep our torture in-house instead of outsourcing it, as American jobs are on the line here. Besides, Third Worlders are so unprofessioinal and messy with their decapitations and rapes and such, even if they do come cheap.

Why do torture threads seem to excite (sexually?)
all the fascist rightwingers so much.

FWTHOM?
Cookfish?
Rexie et al?

Why do torture threads seem to excite (sexually?)
all the fascist rightwingers so much.

I think they like uniforms and get off on other people's pain. It probably helps them believe their own miserable existences aren't nearly as empty as is actually the case.

Well, that and the fact they're fucked in the head.

"President George W. Bush had publicly described him as "al-Qaeda's chief of operations," .... a major figure in the planning of the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. None of that was accurate"

And this suprises who??????

#1 | Posted by Lisa

thanks for the link Doc - - all interesting stuff

when I got to the part that said "much about Zubaida is STILL CLASSIFIED" - - I'm figuring the author was telling me not to form a conclusion yet . . .
sooo, I'll wait for the "rest of the story"

However, if one was to put on a few hundred pounds, get behind a microphone and pop Oxycontins till the cows came home, then you'd definitely see a Starvis Stiffy.

"YES IT DID!!!! LALALALALALALALALA... WE CAN"T HEAR YOU!!!"

-The Right

But it was just a few college prank kinds of things.

Daddy Rush

PS If I was straight, I'd do that Lindsey Englund. she could flog my butt boil any time.

Now ain't that just too damn bad.

Now ain't that just too damn bad.

""It's simply wrong to suggest that Abu Zubaida wasn't intimately involved with al-Qaeda," said a U.S. counterterrorism official, speaking on the condition of anonymity because much about Abu Zubaida remains classified."

That's from the article. We shouldn't be torturing but how can this article make the claim that it foiled no terrorist plots if all the information isn't known? Until its completely declassified we don't know if his interrogations helped in any way.

The Republican Party an their President would have been welcome members of the Nazi Party, an the Imperial Japanese Army of World War II. These armies an their leaders found TORTURE much to their liking.

With some European Countries now investigating the Bush Administration for War crimes, maybe we will have some Justice someday...Something the American Congress has refused to give to the AMERICAN PEOPLE...

Hey, didn't Petraeus just say he disagrees with Cheney? Didn't he just basically say that holding up our values -- not to torture -- is important? Didn't he just say that he doesn't believe Obama's POV on such things is making us less safe? Hmmmmm. I thought it was stupid when some of my liberal brethren got extra dumb with the Betrayus schtick -- the man is a soldier for Christ's sake, a good one, and he was doing a soldier's job -- so I'm waiting to see what the right -- those torture loving, constitution shredding faux-patriots who lean towards the dying elephant -- I'm curious how they will react to the general.

Hey, didn't Petraeus just say he disagrees with Cheney? Didn't he just basically say that holding up our values -- not to torture -- is important?

Yes, he clearly did. I watched that interview, too.

As to Greendad's comment, try rereading the article.

In the end, though, not a single significant plot was foiled as a result of Abu Zubaida's tortured confessions, according to former senior government officials who closely followed the interrogations. Nearly all of the leads attained through the harsh measures quickly evaporated, while most of the useful information from Abu Zubaida -- chiefly names of al-Qaeda members and associates -- was obtained before waterboarding was introduced, they said.

Moreover, within weeks of his capture, U.S. officials had gained evidence that made clear they had misjudged Abu Zubaida. President George W. Bush had publicly described him as "al-Qaeda's chief of operations," and other top officials called him a "trusted associate" of al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden and a major figure in the planning of the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. None of that was accurate, the new evidence showed.

Some U.S. officials remain steadfast in their conclusion that Abu Zubaida possessed, and gave up, plenty of useful information about al-Qaeda.

But of course those that say there was useful information aren't referring to the information they gained under torture. All the information the anonymous U.S. official gave was the information gained prior to waterboarding. You'd think that with the cover of anonyminity he'd at least say "torture worked."

Instead he doesn't dispute the relevant point of this article, but instead argues over the usefulness of the information with the vague hope that, still unclassified materials, will vindicate his position.

anonyminity = anonymity

In the end, not a single significant plot was foiled as a result of these confessions obtained under torture.

It did, however, yield several hours of video that several high-ranking republicans used to arouse themselves when their wives were away.

"It did, however, yield several hours of video that several high-ranking republicans used to arouse themselves when their wives were away."

And which have now been (supposedly) destroyed.

And which have now been (supposedly) destroyed.

Destroyed? Yeah, right.

The videos are on a flash drive hidden in a hollowed out copy of Finnegan's Wake (ensuring that no one will ever open the book out of curiosity) that's sitting high up on Dick Cheney's bookshelf.

Men know how to hide porn, and Republicans know how to hide evidence. The vids are safely tucked away, never again to see the light of day unless accompanied by a bottle of lotion.

The videos are on a flash drive hidden in a hollowed out copy of Finnegan's Wake (ensuring that no one will ever open the book out of curiosity) that's sitting high up on Dick Cheney's bookshelf.

LOL

If torture obtained information that kept my grandson from walking into an ambush down the road then I would gladly offer my services. I cannot imagine any parent or grandparent that would'n.

If torture obtained information that kept my grandson from walking into an ambush down the road then I would gladly offer my services. I cannot imagine any parent or grandparent that would'n.

"If torture obtained information that kept my grandson from walking into an ambush down the road then I would gladly offer my services. I cannot imagine any parent or grandparent that would'n."

But that's not the ultimate question.

How many innocents would you torture on the off-chance you might find one person who actually had information?

If torture obtained information that kept my grandson from walking into an ambush down the road then I would gladly offer my services. I cannot imagine any parent or grandparent that would'n.
#20 | Posted by rebelnation

And when did that happen, exactly?

I'm glad that the CIA tortures any Al Quada suspect even if they obtained no information. The only way we will win is if they fear us.

Unfortunetly even Barry's wife is not afraid of him. When she is done slapping him around, Al Quada can take over.

Another torture freak man-boy heard from.

"I'm glad that the CIA tortures"

Another PPP: Proud Part of the Problem (tm)

If torture obtained information that kept my grandson from walking into an ambush down the road then I would gladly offer my services. I cannot imagine any parent or grandparent that would'n.

Big "if" there, poster. As in "it doesn't work."

In the end, though, not a single significant plot was foiled as a result of Abu Zubaida's tortured confessions,. .. Nearly all of the leads attained through the harsh measures quickly evaporated.

Spending resources chasing down false leads could leave your grandson vulnerable. That's the opposite of what should be done.

It's just no use. Apparently it's just not "satisfying" unless you torture someone.

It's just no use. Apparently it's just not "satisfying" unless you torture someone.

Especially if you watch 24.

PrivateSuckadick,

You may not care what is done to prisoners, but there are a lot of people who do. They are called human beings, you are just a sorry piece of hog shit.

Fucking idiots like privatesuckadick watch '24' and Fox Noise and actually thing that it is true. Sad. Makes me wish we could declare them all unfit to live and put them out of our misery.

It's funny how the thrill of violence brings the lessers out of their rat nests. I guess now, according to Fwthom (still don't know what kind parasite that is), Petraeus is an appeasing traitor. Hmmmmm. The right really is chock full of bottom feeders.

I'm glad that the CIA tortures any Al Quada suspect even if they obtained no information. The only way we will win is if they fear us.

I'm curious how torturing Afghans to instill fear in the United States of America is the only way to bring about victory. Please explain.

Please provide references to other military conflicts, preferably asymmetric guerrilla-war conflicts, where the traditional military invading/occupying power was unable to quell the insurrection until they implemented torture.

Ready... GO!

Torture worked well for Ghengis Khan.

So you're saying the United State should gallop across the steppes and throw all of Asia under its yoke? That seems practical.

Since torture brings terror unto those it is practiced upon. That makes those who torture terrorists. Those that support torture then become terrorist supporters and sympathizers. Why then do these torturers/terrorists condemn those who perpetrate terror onto America and Americans. Aren't they the same people that they condemn?? Funny Dat Be in spades.

Larry

Don't knock it 'til you've tried it, Larry

What a useless trool and stalker Goatman is.

Yav, I'm not saying we should have tortured him, just that I don't think its right to say it foiled no plots when the article uses phrasing like, "nearly all" and "significant" and states much about Zubaida is still classified.

"Nearly all" would mean that some leads perhaps lead to something. And "significant" seems to be a matter of perspective and point of view.

Until we know the whole story, we can't say definitively what resulted or did not result from his interrogations.

Wake the fuck up child, Nothing will come of this.

#36 | Posted by LarryMohr

Therefore those who use illegal drugs then become narco/terrorist supporters and sympathizers.

Therefore those who use illegal drugs then become narco/terrorist supporters and sympathizers.
#41 | Posted by chickenrancher

Not if you buy domestic.

You may not care what is done to prisoners, but there are a lot of people who do. They are called human beings, you are just a sorry piece of hog shit.

#30 | Posted by axe

Let's be real here, Axe. I seriously doubt that you lose any sleep over people we may have tortured or who have been tortured. You really don't "care" as much as you, or others, let on. It is more of just another excuse for you to bash away at republicans and Bush. Be honest, what effect does it really have on you?

You mean, other than diminish the nation?

torture does not work, and should not be used. except by perhaps Chuck Norris and Jack Bauer.

Other than at the hands of these two, torture should not be used under any circumstances.

Everlong- your #43 post show what an ass you really are. Are you really so short sighted? It is not about Republican or Democrat. But, Bush really should be bashed at every opportunity for what he has done.

They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.

Men have fought and died for those things that you would just carelessly throw away.

Why do torture threads seem to excite (sexually?)
all the fascist rightwingers so much.

#4 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2009-03

torture...oh...uh baby....oh yeah...give it to me..

oh baby HIT ME AGAIN.....

is this sort of what you are talking about