The Obamanoid Hitler youth will be turning you in to the authorities for growing tomatoes...

When are you sheep going to stand up and say to the federal government, enough is enough. Get the fuck out of our lives!

Jeff your post isn't indicative of the truth.

The Obamas Kick Off a Victory Garden Movement -- Who Will Join Them?

By Kerry Trueman, Huffington Post. Posted March 25, 2009.

Michelle Obama has set an example that has encouraged thousands of first-time and born-again gardeners to start their own Victory Gardens.

During World War II (1939 1945) the government encouraged self-reliance by growing food. As well as people providing food for themselves, their family, relatives and friends, these gardens enabled the government to ship more food supplies to American troops around the world.

Yeah, That's how Oligarchies work. They can have a garden, and the peasants can't.
Stalin did the same thing. He collectivized all of farming, and outlawed private gardens. Millions starved to death.

Are house senate bills "my lies"?

Please stop your Obama worship, denial, and dishonesty.

Li'l jeffy, I read the bill, paying particular attention to sections 103, 206, and 207 as you said. There is nothing even remotely close to text that would outlaw victory gardens and backyard chickens.

How can you be so gullible? Don't you even read the stuff you supposedly support?

Now, go ahead and tell us how everyone is believing you and how you are always right. That's great for some belly laughs, too.

BTW, here's the actual bill if you are interested in the truth -- but we all know you aren't, so I don't care if you read it or not.

Are house senate bills "my lies"?

No, your lies are:

Victory Gardens & Backyard Chickens Being Outlawed
author: J. Appleseed
Victory Gardens & Backyard Chickens To Be Made Illegal by Federal Government
House Resolution 875 AND Senate Bill 425 - portions of resolution and bill will be used to prevent us from growing our own food - all food (including food from victory gardens) will be inspected and approved by the government before it can be consumed

You're such a gullible idiot, li'l jeffy.

A garden is not considered a "food production facility" you moron. If you are operating a slaughterhouse making hotdogs in the garage then yeah the FDA might close you down If however you have some tomatoes and strawberries growing I think you'll be alright.

Serious question, li'l jeffy -- isn't it even a little bit embarrassing to pass this shit on without reading it then having the whole of the DR come down on you proving you are wrong? Do you have no dignity or self respect at all? I just don't get it. I don't understand why you set yourself up like this all the time just to be slapped down.

I don't think it's a very healthy state of mind to wrap yourself in, but hey -- it's your mind. As unbelieable as it may sound to others, I've actually met one or two people in my life with sicker minds than yours.

Maybe you haven't noticed, li'l jeffy, but the US is in dire financial straits. They have no money to spend. So I really, really doubt they want to spend however many billions of dollars keeping an eye on my Aunt Mary's tomatoes, even if that intent is spelled out in the bill -- which it is not.

I know common sense is beyond the cognitive capabilities of your conspiracy riddled mind, but I think there might be some truth in what I say, don't you?

I smell goat cheese.....

I smell goat cheese.....

Good. Would you mind C&Ping the passages from the bill that support the quotes at the beginning of your thread here?

Thanks

Hell there's pot growing all over the place,I don't think they'll find your turnips

Local zoning restrictions already prohibit me from keeping chickens or livestock at my residence, and I'm out in the country quite a ways. However, vegetable gardens are quite common.

Just occured to me,cats are running around rampant,but you can't have a couple of chickens?

Just occured to me,cats are running around rampant,but you can't have a couple of chickens?

You can't have the cats either if you are going to eat them.

I grow my tomatoes hanging upside down. Is that still considered a garden?

I don't want to be responsible for driving the national budget any further into the stratosphere because they have to pay for my tomato inspecor.

Jus' askin'

Also, if my chickens are in a henhouse and are not for eatin', can I still eat the eggs?

(Is this conversation ridiculous or what)

Also, if my chickens are in a henhouse and are not for eatin', can I still eat the eggs?

As long as the eggs are not amublatory, you should be fine.

(Is this conversation ridiculous or what)

It is a li'l jeffy conspiracy thread after all. Gotta do something useful with it.

(Is this conversation ridiculous or what)

It is a li'l jeffy conspiracy thread after all. Gotta do something useful with it.

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OK. Well as long as we're being ridiculous.

My chickens are so mean!

How mean are they?

My chickens are so mean they'll . . .

1) Peck the eye right out of your pecker.

2) (next)

twinpac, you joke, but true funny story:

My girlfriend has a dacshound that got bitten in th eye by a copperhead. It got really weird and glazed. Well, one of her more aggressive chickens who never liked the dog anyway snuck up on his blind side and pecked the rest of his eye out. I have my special pet name for him -- Admiral Nelson for obvious reasons. I like to stick grapes in his eye socket or paint marshmallows and stuff in there just to aggravate my girlfriend. The admiral doesn't mind.

"Admiral Nelson"

Awww...poor puppy!!

I just saw an episode on Animal Planet that a dacshound had been hit in the eye with a hammer by his owner because the dog refused to fight. His eye looked awful and had to be removed.

Victory Gardens and backyard chickens may be a bit of hyperbole, but I know from other sources that Monsanto and other big agricultural companies are waging a campaign to stifle competition from organic farmers.

Also, the big pharmaceutical companies are waging a campaign to regulate nutritional supplements, to make them available by prescription only.

The water is getting hotter and the frogs still don't feel the heat.

Here's another source:

Say Goodbye to Farmers Markets, CSAs, and Roadside Stands

"Don't you even read the stuff you supposedly support?"

Goat, I think by now the answer to that question should be obvious.

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#22 | Posted by Jay at 2009-03-29 06:53 AM
FF! My dad will love that one.

.. Also, the big pharmaceutical companies are waging a campaign to regulate nutritional supplements, to make them available by prescription only. ..
#26 | Posted by Ray at 2009-03-29 07:47 AM

I've found most herbs and spices with healthful properties sold retail are continuing to raise in cost. The regulation of vitamin supplements is of interest - importation will be further limited, which is hardly ironic in the age of Walmartdom, proving that governance has no interest in public welfare and should be handled with sterile, purposefully-driven actions. Like you could drown it in a bathtub, but would rather just bathe and put it to work for which it was intended.

I wish I'd read Goatman's post (#7) before I went to thomas.loc.gov and read the bill myself.

Goatman's 100% correct.

jeff - is this the one proposed by the lady who's married to one of the big shots at monsanto? sorry if i missed it in the thread.

Why should the FEDERAL government regulate gardens? If gardens and backyard animals are to be regulated, I think a city ordinance should do the trick. I have no problem with gardens. Chickens in the yard are another matter. Living in a third-world country is overrated, trust me, it's not a road we should travel.

ask the people of cuba how they felt when told they could have a garden no bigger than a postage stamp - castro was afraid they'd barter and sell. grow what you can eat that week or else...

Hell there's pot growing all over the place,I don't think they'll find your turnips

when they outlaw broccoli, only outlaws will have broccoli.

And they're welcome to it.

Michelle Obama has set an example that has encouraged thousands of first-time and born-again gardeners to start their own Victory Gardens.

It didn't have anything to do with Michelle Obama. People have been planning and starting gardens because of the fear that the food supply would take a hit and rising food costs. That's not even considering the source of the produce. How many salmonella outbreaks have there been?

Regardless of the reason, it's good that people are growing their own veggies. Garden fresh 'maters are superior to store bought, imported mexican 'maters...mostly because they're right outside the back door and I know what went into producing them.

When I visit my mother, we always spend some quality time in her garden.

Chickens in the yard are another matter.

What's wrong with chickens?

Properly tended to, chickens aren't any worse than a house hold pet, except for the noise they might occasionally make. Even that is akin to a barking dog. Chicken poop is good fertilizer, as are egg shells. Just make sure the chickens have a vegitarian diet.

ask the people of cuba how they felt when told they could have a garden no bigger than a postage stamp - castro was afraid they'd barter and sell. grow what you can eat that week or else

A complete bullshit conspiracy posted by Jeffy caught Nanc's attention.

"It will wipe out the direct market aspect," Forrester said. "It's going to put more of the burden of responsibility on so many levels of the government that it's going to make it basically impossible to directly market food, is what it's going to do.

I heard that this will be a huge issue to all those road side and organic food purveyors, which is where I buy a lot of veggies during the summer months.

And NONE of them have had to face the food recalls that HAVE pleaged the large food outlets. Tomatoes, peanuts, melamine laced baby food and chocolate, peppers, etc.

This is an another orwellian government gestapo move brought to us by the democrats!

This is an another orwellian government gestapo move brought to us by the democrats!

#37 | Posted by DavetheWave at 2009-03-29 03:53 PM | Reply | Flag: Overwrought

"but I know from other sources that Monsanto and other big agricultural companies are waging a campaign to stifle competition from organic farmers."

You don't say. A company that's trying to secure its market share? Oh, the horror.

"Also, the big pharmaceutical companies are waging a campaign to regulate nutritional supplements, to make them available by prescription only."

Probably because most "nutritional supplements" are more than likely inert or have negligible health benefits AND they are unregulated. I'd be surprised if it was only the pharmaceutical companies trying to clamp down on those.

"Say Goodbye to Farmers Markets, CSAs, and Roadside Stands "

LOL an article from the website Dr. Joseph Mercola, quack extraordinaire. You think he's concerned with that because it's the right thing or because it would sink his "business?"

This stupid bill is typical liberalism run amuck. Have good intentions and destroy farming with them. Liberalism is a mental disorder that must not just be defeated, but must be wiped off the face of the planet along with all the libs.

BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY!!!

Instead of responding with discussion, fathom, the left will merely attack the questioner!

Hitler Youth? Sorry that was during the REAGAN ADMINISTRATION! Liberals don't participate in nazi rituals.

Liberalism a mental disorder? You rightards have the mental disorder. Liberalism is what made the world great since the time of Napoleon!

Liberal Thought is what make AMERICA Great and it is what inspires others in the world to LOVE us!

Conservative thought with their corresponding love of Money and greed is what is ruined our nation.

Now the liberals will rebuild the country despite the RIGHTWING NIT WITS and their foaming at the mouth about socialism.

The right has become nothing more than, as a famous conservative Spiro Agnew once said, NATTERING NABOBS OF NEGATIVITY!

Because small farms and farmers markets are not specifically excluded in this bill, they are now, legally, Category 4 and Category 5 Food Establishments.

Thus, small farms and farmers markets will be required to submit to the increased inspections and other measure in the bill.

(8) CATEGORY 4 FOOD ESTABLISHMENT.The
term category 4 food establishment'' means a food
establishment that processes all other categories of
food products not described in paragraphs (5)
through (7).
(9) CATEGORY 5 FOOD ESTABLISHMENT.The
term category 5 food establishment'' means a food
establishment that stores, holds, or transports food
products prior to delivery for retail sale.

This is not a liberal bill. This is a corporate bill; of the corporations, by the corporations, for the corporations.
Call your congressmen and tell them "Hell no, let us grow"

"The Obamanoid Hitler youth will be turning you in to the authorities for growing tomatoes..."

JeffNSkidMark,

You idiot you fail to realize that EU rules on produce safety rules are far stricter. Swiss farming laws, that bastion of libertarianism, gun and low taxes in Europe, are incredibly tight. The whole country is more or less organic.

Clueless fuck.

If jeffincorporatemarketingdepart ment want's to be taken semi-seriously he might try using a real newspaper to post is bullshit.

I am really surprised that nobody has uttered a word about codex alimentarius. This is probably the most ominous food stripping in our near future.

I am really surprised that nobody has uttered a word about codex alimentarius. This is probably the most ominous food stripping in our near future.

I can't tell if you're serious or not, but if you are, do you really think the people here, on this website are going to give it any credibility?

They're prepared to lap up the corporate lies, so long as it pumps the GM foods to their tables and keeps them in a steady supply of High Fructose Corn Syrup.

We are moving toward a world where everything is governed by corporations. Politicians are in their pockets already. The IMF makes sure that those who could have stood on their own are brought to their knees, leaving them no choice but to submit to the corporations to pay for their debts. The "food producers" rob the people of the world of their natural resources, genetically modify it, then sell it back to us by the spoonful.

There used to be a time when you could count on reasonable people speaking out against these things. Now? Not so much. Too much American Idol, I guess.

When the libs have destroyed our food supply we'll
all be eating soylent green.

When the libs have destroyed our food supply we'll
all be eating soylent green.

You're an idiot. Do you even realize that your beloved republican party is bought and paid for by the same corporations that bought the presidency for Obama?

Probably not.

How can you be so gullible? Don't you even read the stuff you supposedly support?

#7 | Posted by goatman

He's not gullible. He just likes to rant and rave and beat his chest against the country he's forsaken for his socialist paradise along the North Sea. Interesting that he chooses to live in one of the Euro countries, easily far more regulated, controlled, and taxed than the US, but he dares then to rail against attempts by the Government to ensure the safety of food products. I guess he has never experienced the pleasures of salmonella poisoning. In my state, there was recently quite a bout of that: source was cantaloupe coming up from the South from growers and being sold in farmers markets. Seems the rind was contaminated with salmonella. Health advisories were sent out telling folks to wash the outside before cutting through the rind with a knife, which would contaminate the flesh within.

It is an unfortunate fact that some people opt not to regulate themselves, care not that they endanger people's health and lives as long as they can turn product.

A garden is not considered a "food production facility" you moron.

#9 | Posted by rastaninja

A home garden does not preclude that the excess produce may be sold at a farmers market, or at the flea market.

When the libs have destroyed our food supply we'll
all be eating soylent green.

--------------

Better than the bullshit that you spew constantly.

When the libs have destroyed our food supply we'll
all be eating soylent green.

Will the libs be smoking soylent green too?

But a home garden wouldn't be: a "food establishment" that stores, holds, or transports food products prior to delivery for retail sale.

You need to look at how the bill defines "food establishment"

(13) FOOD ESTABLISHMENT-

(A) IN GENERAL- The term food establishment' means a slaughterhouse (except those regulated under the Federal Meat Inspection Act or the Poultry Products Inspection Act), factory, warehouse, or facility owned or operated by a person located in any State that processes food or a facility that holds, stores, or transports food or food ingredients.

(B) EXCLUSIONS- For the purposes of registration, the term food establishment' does not include a food production facility as defined in paragraph (14), restaurant, other retail food establishment, nonprofit food establishment in which food is prepared for or served directly to the consumer, or fishing vessel (other than a fishing vessel engaged in processing, as that term is defined in section 123.3 of title 21, Code of Federal Regulations).

Paragraph (14) FOOD PRODUCTION FACILITY- The term food production facility' means any farm, ranch, orchard, vineyard, aquaculture facility, or confined animal-feeding operation.

Putting them together it reads like this:

(B) EXCLUSIONS- For the purposes of registration, the term food establishment' does not include any farm, ranch, orchard, vineyard, aquaculture facility, or confined animal-feeding operation, restaurant, other retail food establishment, nonprofit food establishment in which food is prepared for or served directly to the consumer, or fishing vessel (other than a fishing vessel engaged in processing, as that term is defined in section 123.3 of title 21, Code of Federal Regulations).

IMHO, it would be quite a stretch to come after home gardeners or farmer's market vendors under the definitions and exclusions. It just seems completely contrary given the language of the bill.

I am less than pleased with the choice of Vilsack for Sec. of Ag. He's a big business industrial corn guy all the way.

You know, some of the corn farmers don't even rotate crops any more. They just dump on a few more tons of chemical fertilizer every year, and it's corn, corn, corn, corn, corn for season after season. Meanwhile the runoff from all that fertilizer leaves the Mississippi and the Gulf that much more polluted every year.

Industrializing the agricultural process offers some incredible "efficiencies" because we've yet to pay the costs of utterly depleted soil, dependence on fossil fuels for chemical fertilizer, environmental damage, heck even the health costs associated with overnutrition -- diabetes, heart disease, childhood asthma, etc.

Sure is cheap now though. Here, have some more HFCS. You'll love it; it tastes just like bar code!

That Admiral Nelson is a very cute puppy.

Ms Obama's veggie garden will be tended by...taxpayer funded gardeners. But the photo shows her in a dress with a shovel full of sod....which she broke the hard ground herself....in March.

"A garden is not considered a "food production facility" you moron." #9 | Posted by rastaninja

No but those small local farmers with roadside stands and in farmer's markets are. You know the types, the ones with great tomatoes, corn, melons, produce of all kinds. You can kiss those stands goodbye.

No but those small local farmers with roadside stands and in farmer's markets are. You know the types, the ones with great tomatoes, corn, melons, produce of all kinds. You can kiss those stands goodbye.

Why did I bother with post #55?

That Admiral Nelson is a very cute puppy.

I was looking for a photo I took where I painted an eye on a marshmallow and stuck it in the eye socket. It was hilarious, but I think it must be on my desktop PC at home. I can't find it on my laptop.

I liked #55 Yav. I hope it's accurate. Waiting for the dust to settle on this one.

Farmer's markets are part and parcel of city life. It would be surprising to see them disappear.

Sounds like a classy photo Goatman. And by classy I mean "crude yet hilarious."

Thanks Snoofy. It helps to read the entire bill and check the definitions. It is tedious, though.

Interestingly, the Military Commissions Act was exactly the opposite. It was touted as benign, until you read the definitions. Then is was stunning in what it authorized.

And by classy I mean "crude yet hilarious."

That's it exactly. My girlfriend would get upset when I do that, but it did not hurt the dog at all. But she pities and babies it, so I don't do that sort of thing much.

Another funny thing about that pooch is his lack of depth perception, of course. He will run and try to jump on a chair, but he has a hard time deciding when to make the leap and will often run into th chair. I think he's learning by shadows and such, but if the shadows are cast by the sun, he still gets confused because the shadows change.

Hey goatman....familiar with codex alimentarius by chance?

...codex alimentarius...

Not at all

...codex alimentarius...

post google retort:

A little bit. *grin*

Like you, I am a big fan of enlightening you to some new facts or info. This is about to be signed into full blown service at the end of 2009 when we lose anything of nutritional value in our food and worse, it will be a global "bill". I can attach condensed comprehensive info if you are interested.

This is about to be signed into full blown service ...

From what I read in the googles, it is simply recommendations. Exactly what do you mean "signed into full blown service"? By the UN? US? Under what auhority will it be enforced?

There's tons more info out there if your interested in thorough research, but this is the scaled down version.

The dominant player in this is the US whose primary purpose is to benefit Big Pharma, Big Chema, and Big Agribusiness. The last meeting on this was in Geneva, Switz June 30 - July 4, 2008. Prior to that in Canada there was a food labeling codex meeting in Ottawa April 28 - May 2, 2008.

In 1995 the FDA adopted an illegal policy which stated that international standards (codex) would supersede US laws governing all food.

All countries are involved in this and US is the chair for codex.

Thanks, nema. Still looking at google links.

What I don't understand is: Why the need? I have never heard of anyone getting food poisoning or sickened by farmer's market style sources. Indeed, I hear more about industrial problems. Remember the big spinach scare? A few months ago the tomatoes? How many meat recalls do we hear about? Canned goods?

I'm hard pressed to recall local/micro farm foods sickening anyone.

This is primarily focused on genetically modified food even in our organic markets. We are being stripped of the very nutrients that are supposed to naturally be in our foods. Instead they will have to be prescribed to us.
I am living proof of this happening. For the past year I have had horrible open, painful sores on the palms of my hands and the soles of my feet. I went to a doctor and found it was a strain of exzcema. After many failed treatmaents and costly prescriptions, a simple little article in a science magazine led me to magnesium chloride oil. I have been using the oil since January. My hands are now free of these sores that wouldn't even allow me to open a door or eat.

Goat,

Small farms/roadside stands probably have a few cases of contaminated foods. The thing is they sicken very few people with each incident. Most of the people getting sick put it off to the flu or something. Individual incidents rarely gets investigated or even reported. This is why you never hear of problems there. Overall, the safety record is very good, perhaps better than big agribusiness, but it is not perfect.

This idiotic scare tactic by the usual conspiracy loons is pretty lame. Big business is fighting labeling, especially Country of Origin labeling for obvious reasons. Big Pharma already owns the vitamin business so they don't give a shit.

There is no 'conspiracy', only standard paranoia and pants pissing.

I could claim a 'big conspiracy' is afoot because I have to go to my doctor and pay him $125 for an office visit to get a prescription for blood pressure medicine that costs $10 for a 90 day supply. Insurance companies 'conspired' to make insurance so expensive the only thing I can afford is a HSA with a $10,000 deductible. OOOOOOOoO, I hear the black helicopters now.

Hysteria aside...this bill has just been introduced.

It does not sound like it threatens small farmers.
But...it is good to be aware of its introduction so it can be followed thru gov .Many things can get changed during that process. Bailout?
It still does not hurt to be aware of it ! Nor to contact your sen/rep . Never trust them .
We know many of the clowns in DC don't even bother to read many bills...right?
I have used the farmers market as an outlet for my organic produce. With the addition of a few acres ...I plan to go much bigger this year.
I have not even tried to get certified as it is very costly and cumbersome. I am not allowed to call my produce organic...I just sell it as grown without chemicals.

Nema's conspiracy theory (for lack of a better term) devolves to the fact that agriculture has become an industry, and like any entrenched megabusiness, it attempts to enact a regulatory and legal framework to further its interests.

Genetically modified seeds protected by patent and licensed to farmers for just one planting (no keeping any of what you reap to plant next year... that would be like taping a song off the radio and listening to it over and over again for free!) are just one obvious example.

Farming can be done without industry, as the past five-thousand-minus-one-
hundred has shown us. Industrial farming rightly views it as a threat, and is naturally working to subvert and usurp it.

I believe this type of situation might have been what Rumsfeld was talking about when he praised the "genius of capitalism." I'm not really sure. Regardless it's pretty fucked.

From Fact Check:

Q: Would a new bill in Congress make my backyard organic garden illegal?

Awww Doc. Why spoil a perfectly good panty-bunching?

"It's aimed at food sold in supermarkets and doesn't say anything about organic gardening, pesticides, farmers' markets or that tomato plant in your backyard."

Yeah, Doc, you needn't worry. You can continue to harvest your own bean sprouts and make your own tofu. You ARE growing your own soybeans, right?

I'm disappointed in you and your little friends out West though. You gluttons DID NOT observe "earth hour" and turn off those lights. It kinda makes regular folks think y'all are just full of mierda. And here I was, sittin' in the dark, lookin' at the stars, confident that my West Coast brethren were gonna save the earth....

The quoted section below is from the same article at FACTCHECK.ORG that doc cited above:

Besides, who cares what Lori Robertson, the columnist who wrote the opinion piece, thinks?

Read the bill itself, small farmers and farmers markets are not explicitly excluded and therefore would come under the law.

And with fines up to $1,000,000.00 per "violation", small farmers do have something to worry about.

"Small farmers, however, may well have concerns about this bill. Food & Water Watch's fact sheet acknowledges that there's always a worry that government regulation of food production will adversely affect small farms, which can't absorb the possible costs of abiding by regulation as easily as big food producers can. "The dilemma of how to regulate food safety in a way that prevents problems caused by industrialized agriculture but doesn't wipe out small diversified farms is not new and is not easily solved," the site says. It goes on to say that other bills, not H.R. 875, that have been introduced could create problems for small operations, such as one that requires electronic record-keeping and registration fees with the FDA."

#73 | Posted by nema

you might try a very good b-complex also. i would also suffer with that on the palms of my hands occasionally many years ago and the dermatologist stated, much like ulcers, exzcema is usually a result of not WHAT you're eating, but WHAT'S eating you. it can be debillitating. i know this sounds strange, but once i realized what causes happiness i never had it again (10+ years)!

this is crap. ag, while not perfect, does a pretty good job with food safety as it is. most farmers have their own food safety folks, and lawsuits/potential lawsuits keep operations pretty clean.

also, fresh vegetables are grown in dirt, outside. pigs, birds, frogs, etc live outside, and walk through the fields and shit on the crops. until you are prepared to kill all these animals, or have a kill step (i.e. irradiation), you will get the occasional outbreaks.

the money, however, that will be spent on this program will likely dwarf any good that'll come from it. small farmers will get hurt in an insane attempt to make the industry 100% safe. guess what, life has risks. this is a b.s. bill.

the libs should by up in arms because they're the ones who'll ultimately lose all their organics as a result of this push. i suspect they won't figure it out until it's too late.

google: Codex alimentarius, a WTO organization food trade agreement becomes compulsory dec 09-2009, Vitamins will be reclassified as drugs. All food shale be irradiated including organic. All animals eaten shale be injected with antibiotic and growth hormones. 7 of the 9 worst organic chemicals call POPS (Persistent Organic Pollutants) that where banned worldwide by 176 countries will be reintroduced.
This becomes compulsory Dec 09-2009

This bill, and the increasing dependency on monocultural, chemically driven agriculture, should frighten everyone. Half the reason we survived the Great Depression was because of the agrarian knowledge base that doesn't exist anymore. Check up on "terminator" seeds and the other ag-industry attempts to destroy the collective seed bank. Though on first reading it would seem contrary to logic that backyard farmers would be subject to the same laws as industrial producers, but it's because they are not specifically exempted, and that organic certifications have already been so watered down (thanks FDA!), that one has serious doubts about the motives behind this being benign.

Commercial farming creates all the problems of food safety, just as commercial medicine creates so many drugs that do more harm than good. The formula for health is pretty simple: proper diet and exercise, meaningful work and avoidance of (increasingly unavoidable) toxins. But nobody is getting rich off of that. Plenty of stuff from very reputable sources out there on the effects of agribiz in India and Asia, and of Tyson's attempts to expand their market by outlawing backyard poultry.

Pigeonholing this as "internet hysteria" indicates an unwillingness to examine the methodical approach taken by agribiz to make us beholden to their nutrient poor, environmentally insensitive, products.

Ask yourself if Monsanto, ADM, et al care more about your health, or about the health of their bottom line?

The answer should be obvious.

imagine if more people had yards that looked like this:

When are you sheep going to stand up and say to the federal government, enough is enough. Get the fuck out of our lives!

#2 | Posted by JeffnDenmark at

well jeff...since you arent here you might not be getting coverage of countless numbers of 'tea parties' that are springing up all over the country
there are even things like 'texas resistance' gaining strength....(its not one of THOSE WACO kind of groups by the way)

so we just might be waking up.
the problem is that obama cultists still have thier eyes all glazed over and attack our messengers with a ENEMIES list and ATTACK MACHINE from the white house that makes nixon look like a hacker.

REGIME

good link but scarey too isnt it?

well jeff...since you arent here you might not be getting coverage of countless numbers of 'tea parties' that are springing up all over the country

Tea parties are corporate sponsored bullshit.

Bread and Circuses.

And you fuckin' morons fall right in line.

This bill, and the increasing dependency on monocultural, chemically driven agriculture, should frighten everyone.

Yet, aren't you the same shit-stain that salivates at the prospect of the USDA forcing every producer to test every fat for BSE?

The USDA should have been eliminated years ago.

By the way, what the fuck is "monocultural, chemically driven agriculture"?

You sound like a guy who has pulled a very specific and idealistic management/marketing plan from his ass and expects the real world to conform to it---rather than vice versa.

monocultural, chemically driven agriculture?

I think it means we first decide on a culture (let's say it's Mexican) and all the farmers in the USA have to grow frijoles using DuPont byproducts.

I think it means we first decide on a culture (let's say it's Mexican) and all the farmers in the USA have to grow frijoles using DuPont byproducts.

I guess I can go along with that so long as I can still get a dollop of sour cream.

Yet, aren't you the same shit-stain that salivates at the prospect of the USDA forcing every producer to test every fat for BSE?

No, but how convenient of you to revise the history of that subject. The subject was the Bush Admin (BA) suing a company that did test 100% for BSE, and that the big beef (BB) producers were scared they'd have competition. So the BA in concert with BB told them that they weren't allowed to test.

Goat, not sure if you're trying to be humorous or obstinate or both, but monoculture is farming the same type of crop over vast acreage; polyculture involves planting crops that are synergistic, or at the minimum, in harmony with each other. One relies on tons of pesticides and mechanization, and the other is more akin to what our forefathers used to feed themselves. While limited monoculture might, with some tweaks, be acceptable, a return to diverse gardens and farms would solve many of the pesticide problems and the growing issue of CCD in bees (bees having been specified to the point that they're not even local to farms any more), as well as returning to the US the topsoil that monoculture has eroded to near non existence.

Pinche: You're a tedious one. I don't salivate at the prospect of any more gov't agencies--although this bill would create one (FSA), at significant cost. Get rid of the current FDA, USDA, etc. and stop staffing any and all gov't agencies designed, allegedly, to protect us, with corporate insiders/shills. Eliminate subsidies. Make farms smaller, local, profitable. As for BSE, if cows were eating grass like they're biologically supposed to, then that wouldn't be an issue at all.

Now, go enjoy one of your grain fed, nutrient poor, acid charged steaks.

Most people can get free chickens from the county health department.

Health departments often use chickens as sentinels to track the spread of viruses -- mosquitoes love chicken.

Your county may give you some chickens and some chickenfeed, and once a week someone comes around for a blood specimen.

After a few months you can kill the chicken and they'll give you some new ones.

....I've had an organic garden for 25 years and would like to see someone stop me. They would have to pry the tomato plants from my dead cold hands.......