Wait until they see the March unemployment numbers--

Over 600,000 again.

If they did nothing the housing market comes back by itself--like it is now. Housing starts are up.

Maybe it is a one month fluke.

But the inventory is very high and the prices are great for folks who want to buy a house and the interest rates are low.

As long as they check the borrowers for more than a pulse--it recovers on it's own.

A Republican from Maine?! Oh come on! That is barely a Republican, more like a Centrist Democrat!

Good for the people in Maine.

Constructions projects have started out here in Oregon too. Putting people back to work who are spending money in local stores.

Yes, it is already working.

But Tim Geithner cheated on his taxes.

"If they did nothing the housing market comes back by itself--like it is now."

At this time? Proof?

"If they did nothing the housing market comes back by itself--like it is now."

At this time? Proof?

#5 | Posted by AILtd

Don't expect Murphy to give Obama credit for anything - ever. You'll be doomed to disappointment.

Olympia Fields might be a Republican, but she's not a conservative. It's therefore no surprise she's shilling for the stimulus.

Very simple. President Obama is not white. In Murphy's simple mind, nothing a non-white person does can ever be good. Very simple.

If we are lucky and the economy recovers in a year or two, President Obama will not have had anything to do with it. Murphy will claim it was all those 'NO' votes from the brave, irrelevant GOPiggies that carried the day. She will probably even invent something that will give Smirky and Moosefart partial credit. Of course, she will claim that Rush and that ingrown hair Beck were the prime movers in the recovery.

Joe, in case you didn't get the memo, Conservatism is a dying breed in this country.

We don't care what Conservatives think. They had their chance and fucking blew it.

When did they have their chance? Social conservatives may have, but I haven't seen a fiscal conservative in office in my lifetime.

Well Murphy is about as dumb as they make them but I wouldn't go so far as to say she is a racist.

But dumb as monkey shit she is.

His name was Clinton, Joe.

Look it up.

LOL

So, based on your #9, Clinton had his chance and blew it?

"So, based on your #9, Clinton had his chance and blew it?"

I heard he had it blown.
Oh, you mean about economics, he blew that too.
The BJ probably cost working Americans more money than we can even imagine.

The BJ probably cost working Americans more money than we can even imagine

#15 | Posted by danni

Very possible......... We will never know.

yeah buddy

senator snow..you dont think she has any vested interest in the stealfromus package working now do you??????

is she up in 2010 for reelection because I know that spector is and he already saved the pathetic life of earth day founder ira whatshisname who muredered his girlfriend but again..

you dont think she would say this regardless????

how do you know if a politician is lying??????

is she up in 2010 for reelection because I know that spector is and he already saved the pathetic life of earth day founder ira whatshisname who muredered his girlfriend but again..

yeah okay so its a little rambling so the hell what?

It doesn't really matter if you're just talking to yourself, AFK. But why bother with the typing and internet connection and shit?

#19: LOL

because theres something inscribed on the building I am in right now

and the truth shall set you free.

Maine's two female senators perpetuate a myth from some quarters that thinking Republicans DO exist. Maybe Afkababble can go up to Maine and run against one of 'em. herm

The only reason some of the republifuckers voted against the stimulus is the same reason that some of the democrats voted against bush sometimes:

MORE MONEY!

Very simple. President Obama is not white. In Murphy's simple mind, nothing a non-white person does can ever be good. Very simple.

#8 | Posted by axe

Thank you axe. You have succinctly outlined
the obama perma-excuse.

I am tall. Some people disagree with me. In their simple minds, nothing a tall person does can ever be good.
Very simple.

because theres something inscribed on the building I am in right now

#21 | Posted by afkabl2

I thought you said you were going to get your own computer and start paying an internet service.

Fucking socialist!

""I am tall. Some people disagree with me. In their simple minds, nothing a tall person does can ever be good.
Very simple.""

They really are paranoid. In their minds our opinions about an unnecessary war, about a failed economy, about a trashing of the Constitution is because they are "tall" (or insert other excuse).
In that same mind is the thought that Democrats won't hold President Obama's feet to the fire. Trust me moron, when our jobs, our homes, our retirements are dependent upon a president's decisions we are watching him like a hawk. I pity the poor man, he has more people looking over his shoulder than any president in history. And most of us claim to be his friends.

When did they have their chance? Social conservatives may have, but I haven't seen a fiscal conservative in office in my lifetime.

Yet another Republican who swore a loyalty oath to Bush and Reagan and now suffers from buyer's remorse.

A conservative is just an embarrassed Republican.

If there was no federal stimulus package and the government did nothing, just drowned itself in some bathtub, I wonder what would happen to the US economy? And to the global economy, for that matter? If McCain/Palin had been elected, we might have found out.

"Yet another Republican who swore a loyalty oath to Bush"

Show me where I have ever said I voted for Bush or said he was a good president. I will mail you $100.

Conservatism is a dying breed in this country.

i'm a **conservative. i am an anti-prohibitionist and i believe in all kinds of free individual choice(s), including pregnancy choices.

therefore, because individual liberty requires personal responsibility (or not, as long as you don't harm me *personally or my *personal property), i am a conservative.

those who would force their personal or group beliefs on others are the ones interpreting this land of laws and RIGHTS "liberally," as if they have the RIGHT to make the laws that enable them do that... they do not.

don't tread on me.

Glad to see my faith in the big O reinforced. Here in GA construction is picking up. some of my martial arts buddies are finally back to work after 6 hard months of struggle. they didn't vote for Obama this time but they said they might next time.

Ichiro wrote,

"including pregnancy choices." is that code for baby murderer?

Kinda like when you change "War on Terror" to "Overseas Contingency Operation"

Ratassginger wrote,

"Glad to see my faith in the big O reinforced. Here in GA construction is picking up. some of my martial arts buddies are finally back to work after 6 hard months of struggle. they didn't vote for Obama this time but they said they might next time."

Construction projects funded by the government have always happened not just under Obamalamadingdong. Meanwhile the country continues to bleed jobs under Obammy.

It is interesting however to see how you didn't noticed the further unemployment increases due to having your nose up Obama's ass.

Its almost funny how when the economy was good from 2002-2006 the dems cried about any and every kernle of news that showed even the remotest possibility of bad economic. Now they twist that same news to mean something great and good is happening under Obammy.

I especially like how every time the dow jumps a few points you guys break out the champagne and start typing feverish praise here on the DR. Yet you fail to notice that the DOW is down since Obama took office. Silly me to notice the number of bootlicking obama nazi youth on this site.

If we are lucky and the economy recovers in a year or two, President Obama will not have had anything to do with it. Murphy will claim it was all those 'NO' votes from the brave, irrelevant GOPiggies that carried the day. She will probably even invent something that will give Smirky and Moosefart partial credit. Of course, she will claim that Rush and that ingrown hair Beck were the prime movers in the recovery.

#8 | Posted by axe

Exactly. Let's not forget, too, that they PREDICTED gloom and doom, so if they are already conceding that a recovery will happen "on its own", then it's also already true that their predictions were bullshit, and maybe they should just finally go away, or at least STFU for a while.

so because this Sen. said it, it must be true, its in print, its got to be so. you people will belive anything. wait.. i got it.

change we can belive in. the chosen one has spoken, its true, he will solve all our problems.

gloom and doom, i guess most of the liberals are still looking thru rose colored glasses. and being feed a line of BS by Obama.

Obama = O big ass mistake america lets just print more money, make more government jobs, give more funds to those that dont work/produce we are on the fast track to socialism..

If there was no federal stimulus package and the government did nothing, just drowned itself in some bathtub, I wonder what would happen to the US economy? #28 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday

Many economists feel that, without stimulus intervention, the recession would have been extended by 6 to 12 months and unemployment would have peaked at 12% versus 10%. We'd be on the road to recovery in the middle of 2010 instead of 2009. Now you have to decide if that's worth however much we've thrown at the problem (Is it $2 trillion yet? I'm including the $$$ Bush threw in as well).

I'll try to find the link to my stats and post it in a little bit.

"Many economists feel that, without stimulus intervention, the recession would have been extended by 6 to 12 months and unemployment would have peaked at 12% versus 10%."

Who is "many economists"????
The same morons who helped engineer the Bush economy I suspect. Supply side economists are no longer considered economists, they are now known as criminals.

"we are on the fast track to socialism.."

Oh...there's that scary word again!!!!

I'll take Democratic socialism over what we have now any day. Bring on national health care.

I'll take Democratic socialism over what we have now any day. Bring on national health care.

Duh. You have democratic socialism now. You want communist socialism.

buzz,

Maybe you've forgotten a small little detail. I'll remind you: the mess was created by bush, obama is fixing it. You have a right to be pissed, but your crosshairs are pointing in the wrong direction.

Here's another clue: the impact from the mess the bush league bequeathed your country is still being assessed and felt. Please don't tell us you could possibly imagine that the economy's decline would stop on inauguration day, that obama could fix in 24 hours what took 8 solid years of fucking up to create (or rather, destroy).

Maddow was bragging about this too. She pointed that graphic artists and sign painter jobs were already created to produce Obama's government stimulus logo. Maddow said "we're on our waaaay".

Obama is fixing whaaat? How the hell can you spend your way out of a problem caused by too much spending? Any dodo can make himself look rich by spending against his credit card. Does anybody bother to think what happens when his credit card maxes out? No. I guess not. At least among the Obama crowd.

We don't care what Conservatives think. They had their chance and fucking blew it.
#9 | Posted by Manypaths at 2009-03-26 03:26 PM

When did they have their chance? Social conservatives may have, but I haven't seen a fiscal conservative in office in my lifetime.
#10 | Posted by JOE at 2009-03-26 03:27 PM

His name was Clinton, Joe.
Look it up.
#12 | Posted by Manypaths at 2009-03-26 03:28 PM

So, based on your #9, Clinton had his chance and blew it?
#14 | Posted by JOE at 2009-03-26 04:52 PM

Who is "many economists"????
#38 | Posted by danni

#38 | Posted by danni

So now that the "kill the messenger" kneejerk response is out of the way, was all the bailout $$$ worth a lessening of the recession by 6-12 months and 2% unemployment?

Fucking socialist!

#25 | Posted by Whatsleft

yeah thats me komrade

using my tax money.....yes sir.

I think in this New Age, we need to return to the basics of the Island of Dr. Moreau: Obama will crack his whip and ask, "What is the Law?!" and Wall Street will answer, "Not to lose money! That is the Law! Are we not slaves?" You can add as many more questions and responses as you like. Washington, of course, is the House of Pain.

Supply side economists are no longer considered economists, they are now known as criminals.

#38 | Posted by danni

I guess you believe that the consumer is what keeps our economy going.

When is the last time a poor consumer gave you a job?

When is the last time a poor consumer gave you a job?

#49 | Posted by Sniper at 2009-03-27 02:44 PM

not to horn in on your conversation but I am really looking forward to an answer to this.........
it should prove interesting.

Maybe Danni can add a few questions and responses to the Island of Dr. Moreau scenario--this should prove interesting as well.

Stimulus working already? Laughable. Too early to tell!

AFKLAB2:
A rich consumer never gave me a job, either. My jobs have all come from middle-class employers.

Joe, in case you didn't get the memo, Conservatism is a dying breed in this country.

We don't care what Conservatives think. They had their chance and fucking blew it.

#9 | Posted by Manypaths

I wouldn't get so confident about that. It wasn't long ago that dems couldn't get their shit together and everyone was saying how they were finished. You're an idiot for thinking it anyway. Everything goes in cycles including politics.

Conservatives not Republicans.

No problem. I don't mind correcting people.

Re: Cycles, you might have a point.

Fortunately the progressives get power once in a while and they get to put things in place like social security, medicare and the like. Once in place, these programs are too popular for the regressives to destroy completely so society benefits. We never seem to get any lasting benefit from the regressive cycles, though. Only lasting grief.

I hope we get some long-term benefit from this cycle of sanity. Given the handicap dealt by the previous batch of criminals, it doesn't look too promising this time. Probably the best we can hope for is a better functioning economy in a couple of years. A permanent Rethug minority would be nice, though.

she is a stupid twat for sure...

Trust me moron, when our jobs, our homes, our retirements are dependent upon a president's decisions we are watching him like a hawk. I pity the poor man, he has more people looking over his shoulder than any president in history. And most of us claim to be his friends.

#26 | Posted by danni a

LOL LOL LOL LOL danni calling someone a moron he yuk!

Conservatives not Republicans.

No problem. I don't mind correcting people.

#55 | Posted by Manypaths

The point is still the same. How you can not see that I have no idea. Conservatism is what made the republican party great and it will be that way again once they get back to it. You see, Many, the problem with the republicans is that they, including Bush, strayed very far away from conservatism. This is why Bush spent like a liberal democrat and the economy is the way it is right now. But you don't make that deduction. You just say Bush sucks and he ruined everything because he sucks. Not the way or reason it happened.

This is why Bush spent like a liberal democrat and the economy is the way it is right now.

#59 | Posted by everlong at 2009-03-27 06:21 PM

I'm gonna guess you voted for him twice?

Hell yes! Was I supposed to vote for Kerry or Gore? You do realize that they were the only other viable choices?

Snowe can say whatever she wants, but the fact is that the money from the big stimulus package hasn't been sent out yet. Five sixths of the money that is allocated to construction spending won't even be spent this year at all.

Of course, by pointing this out, I'm no doubt a racist. So says that douchebag DumbAxe.

It's working!?!? N-n-n-no, it's not!

Snowe can say whatever she wants, but the fact is that the money from the big stimulus package hasn't been sent out yet.

#62 | Posted by rightisright

I don't believe that is correct. The Plain Dealer reported today that Ohio has already received $900 million for infrastructure projects to begin immediately.

wow sa

still here or back again/?
and people bitch at me about posting here a lot.

and people bitch at me about posting here a lot.

#65 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2009-03-28 12:21 PM | Reply | Flag: The Penny Drops

using my tax money.....yes sir.

#47 | Posted by afkabl2

I don't really give a shit if you use public resources to view the 'internets'. I'm merely pointing out that those like you should probably not complain so strongly about socialism while you are actively participating in socialism.

When is the last time a poor consumer gave you a job?

#49 | Posted by Sniper

Since for any business the consumer/customer and the employer are the same person, I would call this a stupid question. Even POOR consumers have to buy stuff. I know it's difficult for you to understand that it's a circular equation. Consumers generate demand. Higher demand will usually generate jobs. Even large corporations may only provide employment if they are employed, they are STILL employed by consumers of their particular goods and/or services.

When was the last time a business with NO customers gave YOU a job?

When is the last time a poor consumer gave you a job?

#49 | Posted by Sniper at 2009-03-27 02:44 PM

not to horn in on your conversation but I am really looking forward to an answer to this.........
it should prove interesting.

#50 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2009-03-27 02:50 PM | Reply | Flag: Fucking Idiot