And they talk about kids being dumb. How about these adults who are proposing this?

Texas-just like saudi arabia, only with jackasses instead of camels.

*singing*
"Texas, my Texas, the Backwards State of hicks.
Texas, my Texas, where Meth freaks git their fix."

feel free to join in.

"Texas is such a huge textbook market that many publishers write to the state's standards, then market those books nationwide."

I see a new market for a publisher of school science books without religious lessons.

You could call it:

"Real World Science"

RAmen!

Hey, if Texas votes against evolution, Darwin has had it and might as well head back into Oklahoma with them thar round earth freaks. herm

"This is the most specific assault I've seen against evolution and modern science," said Steven Newton, a project director at the National Center for Science Education, which promotes teaching of evolution.

What's wrong with analyzing science as it is taught?

I'm reading books about dinosaurs to kids and realized that what is written in the books isn't all true and the pictures in the books are distorting reality - kids are believing that the pictures in the books are true images of what dinosaurs really looked like.

Common ancestry? With every fossil, is there an older fossil?

Yeah, Texas sucks. Go home all you northern carpetbaggers!

Yeah, Texas sucks. Go home all you northern carpetbaggers!

How about if they're from the West?

Does Texas welcome California carpetbaggers? lol

No one knows, because no one has ever been stupid enough to move from Califronia to Texas.

This is the kind of incisive reporting that is rapidly converting the WSJ into just another failed Murdock rag like the NY Post!!!

Destroying Journalism one rag at a time!!!! Heckofajob "Keith" Murdock!!!!

Does Texas welcome California carpetbaggers? lol
#9 | Posted by CalifChris

We won't consider you a carpetbagger unless you dog on Texas once you move here. How's the housing search going?

"I'm reading books about dinosaurs to kids and realized that what is written in the books isn't all true and the pictures in the books are distorting reality - kids are believing that the pictures in the books are true images of what dinosaurs really looked like.

Common ancestry? With every fossil, is there an older fossil?"

Really?? You thought a childrens book that had pitures of dinosaurs in it was supposed to be 100% accurate, damn do u let your kids watch the flintstones? If it was an adult book, I must ask you how you "realized" that it wasn't accurate, was it from all the fossils you have obviously studied,especially with a comment like is there an older fossil....stick with guns and ammo, it's something you can comprehend.

LM

Texas is, truly, one of the great carricature states.

"Texas is, truly, one of the great carricature states."

It would be funny if they weren't always shooting, lynching or executing people.

"Texas is, truly, one of the great carricature states."

It would be funny if they weren't always shooting, lynching or executing people.
#15 | Posted by nullifidian

You must be one a them glass-half-empty types.

Texas -- and the rest of the world -- should know from eight years' experience observing George W. Bush that you can't evolve past a chimp.

"and the pictures in the books are distorting reality
#7 | Posted by Petrous"

Cut out a picture of Noah and stick it next to the dinos.....problem solved.

I can't wait for the first ETs to land on the White House lawn and so "Howdy!"

If these Creationists had it all their own way, they'd still have the Sun and stars revolving around the Earth as the center of All.

Talk about your blind faith...

These people kinda scare me.

kids are believing that the pictures in the books are true images of what dinosaurs really looked like.

cause the weren't purple and didn't sing, right?

When curches start displaying a Jesus that looks more like Osama bin laden than a california surfer, we can discuss truth in advertising.

I'm reading books about dinosaurs to kids and realized that what is written in the books isn't all true and the pictures in the books are distorting reality

#7 | Posted by Petrous

Are you reading books about dinosaurs that show that Little Timmy and T-Rex existed at the same time as the Creationists contend with their 10,000 year old Earth nonsense?

While they're at it they should vote for eternal life, and six hour orgasms... if they can undo evolution with a vote, they may as well do something positive with that power too!

Recent Obama administration pole:

25 states believe in evolution.

33 states do not.

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Recent Obama administration pole:

25 states believe in evolution.

33 states do not."

Really? How do the people that live in those states feel about it?

I wouldn't have believed that the majority of Texans would allow this happen.

Remember when all those so-called lib scientists voted on global warming and gave it a thumbs up. Now it's our turn to vote on evilution and we will give it a thumbs down. It's what libs call the scientific method.

The vote just in. Texas has decided that they have not evolved.

Finally, Texas makes Florida look good.

The proposed curriculum change would prompt teachers to raise doubts that all life on Earth is descended from common ancestry.

Like Adam and Eve?

We won't consider you a carpetbagger unless you dog on Texas once you move here. How's the housing search going?

#12 | Posted by bartimus at 2009-03-24 02:55 PM

Truthfully, right now I don't know where I'll end up living -- have about 3-4 states I'm considering and some travel info on them but that's all. Right now my whole concentration is on getting this house ready to sell. Got inspectors coming out next week for one thing, and then other guys coming out to give estimates on some other work needed and then it goes on the market. So far I've had to do all the work that's been needed around here on my own. My out of state sibling is suppose to come down in two months to help - finally! Anyway, the house is in a good neighborhood so hopefully it will sell fairly quickly. I'll let you all know just as soon as it's sold and I head off into the sunset seeking a new abode. lol

Evolution should be banned from schools --- let it become an optional subject in college, so that only those who choose to subscribe to the dogma can enroll for the class.

"Remember when all those so-called lib scientists voted on global warming and gave it a thumbs up. Now it's our turn to vote on evilution and we will give it a thumbs down. It's what libs call the scientific method."

How are you voting on this?? Your on the panel? What it will do is create a new niche market for some creationist publisher, as well as provide more jokes about the ass backward education of Texas kids. if passed if not they will try to replace school board officials with more religs.......

LM

I have no problem in presenting an objective pov on evolution: stating that it is the most widely accepted scientific theory on the origin of man and that there are some pieces missing to make it final. Where I pull the brakes is to start to mix casper and company as an alternative, or to insinuate spiritual alternatives.

If you want to teach kids about a 10000 year old planet, man and dinos walking together, noah stuffing every possible species on a wooden boat and all that crap, fine, but do it at church, or do it in a theology class.

"If you want to teach kids about a 10000 year old planet, man and dinos walking together, noah stuffing every possible species on a wooden boat and all that crap, fine, but do it at church, or do it in a theology class."

Or better yet, go and get some SCIENTIFIC proof of your position and then get your peers to review and accept it, then you can start to teach it.

LM

Give us Pastafarians equal time!

Free the spaghetti!

Humans are apes. Some are obviously vastly more stupid than others.

Greedfucking liars, wrapped in religion, know their stories and excuses are unraveling. But, pockets of ignorance still flourish in the US, particularly in the South. None more prominant than Texas. They won't let go of the money easily.

I have a serious question. Is Bernanke light in the loafers or not.

And on the eighth day, God created Evolution...

Clearly an un-evolved part of the US.

"Evolution should be banned from schools --- let it become an optional subject in college, so that only those who choose to subscribe to the dogma can enroll for the class."

I see rev phelps clan is back on the site. How about you dipshits that want to go to religious school, fucking stay there....quit trying to fuck up public schools for the rest of us who want to live in the real world. I don't want to hear this shit about affording a private religious school, if your god wants you there wouldn't he let you in for free??

LM

"If you want to teach kids that men evolved from apes, wait until they go to college and teach it in black history class."

Wow, this is hysterical,proof that sometimes one can de-evolve into a lump of shit!!

Badeye, if your sister(lefteye) heard you say that she might burn your house down. Hey jesus freaks, takeitz from lefteye....don't go chasing waterfalls stick to the rivers and the streams your used to.....

LM

Jump for jesus!

Off the grand canyon!

If you want to teach kids that men evolved from apes, wait until they go to college and teach it in black history class. - Posted by FWTHOM

So FWTHOM, have your sheets finished drying from last night's excursion? Do you still stick with white or do you prefer colored?

#19--do you kow what jesus looked like...
do you have a picture of him....
how do you know what he looked like, if you do then you the only one that knows. jesus is for everyman and woman,

#Amen----thank-you so much for taking the sign of stupidity of the State of Florida, and putting it on texas.

and last but not least---

#41--very childlike statement

Worst state in the union. Please, Chuck Norris, become President of Texas, secede and devolve yourselves back into the primordial muck that you are. Please.

Amen.

(FWThom snark redacted. This sojourn to the bone would have earned me oodles of penalty box time.)

Mr. Gonzales...Mr Thom is not who he pretends to be. If he was, someone would have strangled him years ago just to shut him up. Jeebus! What a bag of Nazi party favors that clown's mind must be.

(That last bit is a Moneywar homage)

FWTHOM is just a troll trying to get attention. Don't feed the trolls.

There is only one example to make the case that all life forms were evolved from a single cell and that
Example is Obama's Wife. If she is not a decendant from an ape, you gotta go with the Supreme Being.

#42 | Posted by Badeye

Lemme guess: you're white.

'Nuff said.

FWTHOM is just a troll trying to get attention. Don't feed the trolls.

#50 | Posted by danni

I think even trolls would take exception to that comparison.

Michelle Patrick Ewing Obama

Michelle Patrick Ewing Obama
#53 | Posted by 101Chairborne

Ugh... you're so going to hell.

Not that I didn't laugh, so I guess I'm going too.

"Greedfucking liars, wrapped in religion, know their stories and excuses are unraveling. But, pockets of ignorance still flourish in the US, particularly in the South. None more prominant than Texas. They won't let go of the money easily."

#38 | Posted by nutcase at 2009-03-24 07:14 PM

Now your getting me MAD! I live in the South and
have my whole life (well minus 4 years). And I know.
Texas is NOT part of the South.
(and neither is Florida, really, at least south of Orlando)

Texas is the Southwest, here:
usa.usembassy.de

#55 | Posted by _HP_

So, Germany says Texas isn't part of the south?

I live in the real world where humans never evolved and are held responsible for their own actions --- unlike stupid apes who don't give a fart about human laws.

Just when you think that there aren't any idiots left that support creationism...

...you open up the DR comments page.

Godspeed, retards.

Stupid disscussion. Scientists are never, ever wrong in their theories. Man is unquestionably the end all be all of knowledge in the universe. No way is there something greater than man - no way. Scientists will someday unlock the mysteries of this so called God character and we all will achieve a newfound consciousness. How silly of people to question human intellect. I mean really. Get over yourselves religous people. Man is the best. Man is the best.

Obviously we all came from a single cell organism. How else could the scientologists explain our existence?

Yes, Darwin worshippers are proliferating and resorting to insulting people who dismiss the myth of evolution.

I'm so glad I have seen the errors of evolution!

I'm so glad I have seen the errors of evolution!
#60 | Posted by takitez

You are an evolutionary error. Please, don't try swimming in the gene pool.

Evolution is based on scientific lies. Hence a mythology cannot affect my life.

Bees never evolved! Any scientist claiming it to be otherwise is a charlatan.

I am glad to see through the errors of evolution! And I will continue to influence thousands of people to discard evolution.

We insult you because supporting creationism in the face of all evidence to the contrary is one of the single most stupid positions you can take. What's next on the chopping block? Universal gravitation? Relativity? Atomic theory?

You've already made up your mind that evolution is a LIBERAL ATHEIST LIE and will cling to any scraps of "evidence" you possess or any of the tired pseudo-philosophical arguments we've heard and refuted hundreds of times. It's not that we're ceding the argument to you, it's just that you're stubborn and no amount of reasoned argument and solid evidence will ever convince you - arguing would just be a waste of time.

You might as well plaster a sign saying "I can't be reasoned with" on your forehead.

You're basically on the same level as the Catholic church circa 1632.

I am glad to see through the errors of evolution! And I will continue to influence thousands of people to discard evolution.

#62 | Posted by takitez

You are a Creationist?

Texas has decided that they have not evolved.

#27 | Posted by tiger150

.....so where do you think they are ??.....at the Cro-Magnan or Neanderthal stage ??......

TAKITEZ is a fine example of being against evolution yet he knows nothing about it. Typical, those that know the least about evolution are its biggest critics, ironic or just ignorance!

Remember when all those so-called lib scientists voted on global warming and gave it a thumbs up. Now it's our turn to vote on evilution and we will give it a thumbs down. It's what libs call the scientific method.

#26 | Posted by fwthom
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I think the libs call it a scientific consensus. LMFAO. Sounds fair to me.

Lonnie

What evolved into dinosaurs?
What evolved into that?
What evolved into that?
What evolved into that?

When you find the starting point, explain it with proof. The Big Bang Theory is a joke as much as those who claim they believe in a big spagetti monster from outer space.

Peer review of the Big Bang? How does anyone prove something from nothing - other than Congress and money.

Wow, how did a country filled with such ignorant bastards get to be where it is today?

If there was an interventionist god, it would smack your little pin heads for being stuck in such stupid dogma.

"Wow, how did a country filled with such ignorant bastards get to be where it is today?"

As much as I love to see people goof on Texas (because Texans are total babies about it), I doubt this schoolboard even represents a majority of Texans let alone a majority of Americans. I don't know why you'd choose to believe otherwise.

The US Census Bureau thinks Texas is part of the South.

#54 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue at 2009-03-25 10:00 AM

Oh there yu go, quoting a US government agency as the end-all be-all. I see, it looks as though (SanAntonioRogue) you're a Texan. The only folks I know that think Texas is part of the South are Texans!
There must be someone from Texas working at the USCB.

You know that map is wrong because southern Florida is listed as the South, not the Northeast and Cuba.

Comparing scientific theories to religious faith isn't merely apples and oranges, it is apples and invisible, intangible oranges.

Believe anything you want. But to present "Intelligent Design" as science, equivalent to evolutionary theory isn't just wrong, it is proveably wrong. ID isn't science. So, it doesn't belong in science class. That's pretty simple.

We insult you because supporting creationism in the face of all evidence to the contrary is one of the single most stupid positions you can take.
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#61 | Posted by Enfilade at 2009-03-25 11:14 AM

It's way more than just stupid - it's extremely dangerous. You see, if you let your religious beliefs trump facts - anything is possible. I always wondered why evangelical Christians often supported war so I asked one: Why, since "Thou Shalt not Kill" is in the Bible at least 6 times, is it OK to kill in war. The answer was this:

"The bible really meant Thou Shalt not Murder", and murder is defined as killing someone that has not sinned, and sin is defined by my religion." So basically, he was saying it's OK to kill anybody that does not believe the way he does. Sounded like Al Qaeda to me.

Be scared, people.

Petrous:
The Hadron supercollider is being used to find the higgs boson particle or 'god particle'. According to current theories, there should be a particle called the Higgs Boson which is effectively responsible for objects having mass.This is one of the predictors of the big bang theory. Interestingly, the big bang theory was originally advanced by a Jesuit priest Georges Lematre who proposed what became known as the Big Bang theory of the origin of the Universe, although he called it his "hypothesis of the primeval atom". The framework for the model relies on Albert Einstein's general relativity and on simplifying assumptions (such as homogeneity and isotropy of space).

What is so pathetic about you non believers is you try to sequester evolutionary theory away from all other scientific disciplines when you don't realize that they are all woven together - physics, genetics, evolution. They provide the building blocks for each other. So many advances in evolution in recent years build directly on genetics. And evolutionary evidence provides the physical 'stuff' for genetics.

And of course you dick heads miss it all because your preacher says it viotates the bible. When it doesn't.

Pathetic.

Oh there yu go, quoting a US government agency as the end-all be-all.

#69 | Posted by _HP_

At least I quoted an AMERICAN source and not a GERMAN one. LOL!

#71 HP: What is the source of your quote?

"The bible really meant Thou Shalt not Murder", and murder is defined as killing someone that has not sinned, and sin is defined by my religion."

That's an argument that is promoted here on the regular.

So, Germany says Texas isn't part of the south?
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#54 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue at 2009-03-25 10:00

Don't know about Germany. That site was the US embassy. Me-think the US embassy is part of.... the US. But, I could be wrong.

You're right... sorry. I saw the ".de" extension and assumed it was German.

If murder is defined as killing someone who has not sinned by the Judeo/Christian definition of sin then we can all run around killing each other without sin.

Am I right oh Christian brethren? I believe it was Jesus who was the only one born without sin?

Is the sin in question venal, or mortal? Don't see any definition here.

It has been said before and it is well to repeat it again: Without Intelligent Design, there could not be any evolution. So if TBE wants for teachers to raise doubts that life on Earth is descendent from common ancentry, that's fine. It is proof that all evolutions on Earth are descendent from an evolution which resulted from Intelligent Design, of which there is no beginning, and no end.

#71 HP: What is the source of your quote?

#74 | Posted by boojiboy at 2009-03-25 01:42 PM

You mean the quote where I said "I asked one"?
Obviously it was a person that considered themselves to be an evangelical Christian. If you want more than that - it was a guy I worked with several years back (no names). He was a really nice guy, I liked working with - and talking - with him. He was a bit odd, tho'

That's an argument that is promoted here on the regular.

#75 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2009-03-25 01:47 PM

But it sounds like he was not alone in his line of thought.

MRRetaliation: Your post #79 earns a special spot on this website:

But it sounds like he was not alone in his line of thought.
#80 | Posted by _HP_

The kill/murder distinction... a convenient loophole if ever I saw one.

A long time ago, I learned in a sciense class that a fire needs three elements to survive:
1- Heat
2- Fuel
3- Oxygen
Without any one of these three elements, there cannot be any fire.
Let's now take our Sun for example. It has been burning for, who knows, a million here, or a billion there, number of years. Yet, it never goes out. It continues to burn and and burn. As a matter of fact, there are some geniouses around us that claim that global warming is going to destroy the planet Earth. If scientists are correct, then the Sun should burn itself out in what, another million or billion years from now?, because, eventually, according to science, it will run out of fuel, right? What kind of fuel keeps it burning? Could it be that Earth will be destroyed by global cooling because the Sun is running out of fuel, as science supposedly proves? I wear, as a badge of honor, the belief in Intelligent Design, for I see all the proof I need of same, all around me, including in the incongruent theories of science itself.

"I live in the real world where humans never evolved and are held responsible for their own actions --- unlike stupid apes who don't give a fart about human laws."

In the real "flat" world where it is the center of the universe and there are talking snakes, whales swallowing people, seas parting, arks loaded with all living organisms....you know where human laws and laws of physics are true!!.

Uh, Ok....beavis!!

LM

"I wear, as a badge of honor, the belief in Intelligent Design"

#83 | Posted by MRRETALIATION at 2009-03-25 02:52 PM

And you have been given the right to have those beliefs. But you have not been given the right to teach your beliefs - as if they were facts - to other peoples children in a physics class.

"Without any one of these three elements, there cannot be any fire.
Let's now take our Sun for example. It has been burning for, who knows, a million here, or a billion there, number of years. Yet, it never goes out. It continues to burn and and burn. As a matter of fact, there are some geniouses around us that claim that global warming is going to destroy the planet Earth. If scientists are correct, then the Sun should burn itself out in what, another million or billion years from now?, because, eventually, according to science, it will run out of fuel, right? What kind of fuel keeps it burning? Could it be that Earth will be destroyed by global cooling because the Sun is running out of fuel, as science supposedly proves? I wear, as a badge of honor, the belief in Intelligent Design, for I see all the proof I need of same, all around me, including in the incongruent theories of science itself"

Yes, your science class was a long as time ago, the sun is not a burning fireball it's going through fusion which is a nuclear reaction....once the hydrogen in teh core is consumed teh sun will grow significantly in mass eventually swallowing the earth in a "fire ball" it's not going to burn us up from it's present location and size only when it moves into red giant phase will the earth be "toast" so to speak.....maybe jesus will explain how stars work for you......

LM

damn there are some real intellectual heavyweights on today aren't there?

A simple mental experiment stands the Big Bang Theory on it's head. If the Big Bang was from a single point how is it that Billions of years later Our galaxy is moving toward another galaxy?

A simple mental experiment stands the Big Bang Theory on it's head. If the Big Bang was from a single point how is it that Billions of years later Our galaxy is moving toward another galaxy?

Gravity: not just a good idea, it's the law.

FWTHOM: Gravitational forces between masses (ie galaxies) propel them towards each other as they move outward. See Physics 101 in High School.

Good lord man, use the noggin' God gave you before you spout off!!!

A simple mental experiment stands the retard on his head.

Our loudest Great Unwashed seem to be pushing a notion that if you holler loud enough, truth will go away. EZ, Thommy and Cidney, among others, see evolution as bunk and will say so whatever number of times is required to prove their point. And STILL the earth revolves around the sun. herm

A simple mental experiment stands the Big Bang Theory on it's head. If the Big Bang was from a single point how is it that Billions of years later Our galaxy is moving toward another galaxy?

You are looking at too small of a scale. You may as well have asked, "If I let go of an apple, why doesn't it go up?" or "Why do satellites fall from the sky?" or "Why do comets fall towards the sun?"

Yes, it is true that the Andromeda galaxy (about 2.2 m lightyears distant and the closest major galaxy to ours) and the Milky Way Galaxy are falling towards each other. However, we are a group of about 50 galaxies in our local cluster. This is the scale you need to frame the context of your question -- galactic clusters.

There are hyndreds of millions of galactic clusters and with very few exceptions, they are all speeding away from each other. Even those noted exceptions can be easily categorized as a gravitionally bound part of a super cluster of galaxies, all of which are indeed red shifted and proportionately red shifted with their distance to the Milky Way. Indeed, this is one of the strongest arguements (along with the Cosmic Background Radiation) to the Big Bang.

In short -- look at the big picture, not two nearby galaxies when there are hundreds of billions of others in existence

Without any one of these three elements, there cannot be any fire. Let's now take our Sun for example. It has been burning for, who knows, a million here, or a billion there, number of years. Yet, it never goes out.

The sun is a giant thermonuclear bomb, not the Hindenburg. All a fusion reaction needs is light nuclei and high temperatures / pressures. The sun has a massive supply of fuel.

If scientists are correct, then the Sun should burn itself out in what, another million or billion years from now?, because, eventually, according to science, it will run out of fuel, right? What kind of fuel keeps it burning?

Hydrogen, at the moment. There is enough to last it a few billion more years.

Could it be that Earth will be destroyed by global cooling because the Sun is running out of fuel, as science supposedly proves?

The Earth will be destroyed by "global warming" of the most extreme kind when the sun runs out of hydrogen fuel. It will begins to fuse the helium created by the fusion of hydrogen, and the energy output will cause the sun to grow in size to the point where the Earth could be engulfed.

I wear, as a badge of honor, the belief in Intelligent Design

Way to try and make a fashion statement out of your dunce cap. An attitude like that could help you find the silver lining in a bad case of genital warts. Why "Intelligent Design"? Why not "theistic evolution"? That is compatible with your beliefs as well, is it not?

I see all the proof I need of same, all around me, including in the incongruent theories of science itself.

The incongruities you see as "proof" are byproducts of your own ignorance, not some divine revelation of the esoteric workings of the universe. If you are a religious person, you should at least bother to learn the science and then find a way to understand it in terms of your faith. Willful ignorance is not a virtue.

Why are the faithful so threatened by science, especially evolution? There is one line of reasoning that a believer can always fall back on: God acts through natural laws. The most rational explanation of the origin of life is that it developed from prebiotic matter like lipids, small polypeptides and ribozymes. Prove to me that this evolutionary path was not the will of God.

#83: A long time ago, I learned in a sciense class that a fire needs three elements to survive:
1- Heat
2- Fuel
3- Oxygen"

It is incredibly amazing that someone with such little knowledge of physics can stand before an audience and argue against the Big Bang (regardless if the theory is right or wrong) when he thinks the sun burns as a giant bonfire on Homecoming night after the big Friday night game.

"A long time ago, I learned in a sciense class that a fire needs three elements to survive:
1- Heat
2- Fuel
3- Oxygen
Without any one of these three elements, there cannot be any fire.
Let's now take our Sun for example. It has been burning for, who knows, a million here, or a billion there, number of years. Yet, it never goes out. It continues to burn and and burn. As a matter of fact, there are some geniouses around us that claim that global warming is going to destroy the planet Earth. If scientists are correct, then the Sun should burn itself out in what, another million or billion years from now?, because, eventually, according to science, it will run out of fuel, right? What kind of fuel keeps it burning? Could it be that Earth will be destroyed by global cooling because the Sun is running out of fuel, as science supposedly proves? I wear, as a badge of honor, the belief in Intelligent Design, for I see all the proof I need of same, all around me, including in the incongruent theories of science itself."

This has to be a joke. That's why he didn't consistently mispell "sciense" the way he did in the first sentence.

Nobody would seriously argue that his inability to understand scientific concepts proves they are wrong.......

"...look at the big picture..."

And here it is:

Nobody would seriously argue that his inability to understand scientific concepts proves they are wrong.......

LOL. Of course not. Broken clocks and all that . . .

But his inability to understand basic scientific concepts (like believing the sun's burning is a chemical process dependent on heat, O2, and fuel) should preclude him from engaging in a worthwhile discussion about them.

This thread has evolved... proof enough?

""" I doubt this schoolboard even represents a majority of Texans let alone a majority of Americans. I don't know why you'd choose to believe otherwise."""

You're probably right, but then again:

This thread has evolved... proof enough?

Oh, I'm sure it can undergo regressive evolution into a flamewar if you subjected it to the right... er... selective pressures.

"God is dead. Religion is the opiate of the masses. Hail Satan. Metal forever."

"Your great-great-great-great grandpa was a monkey, and you are a worthless piece of shit for believing in fairy tales about Jewish zombies."

"My great-great-great-great grandpa wasn't a monkey, fuck you! He was an ape. There's a goddamn difference."

"Science is the dogma of a godless religion. Evolution is a myth. P. falciparum was intelligently designed to make millions of humans suffer recurring bouts of malaria."

"Darwinism was created by the Illumiati to justify their eugenics programs to the sheeple."

I've tried to emulate the style of some of our more distinguished retorters. That ought to get us started...

"Evolution should be banned from schools"
#31 | POSTED BY TAKITEZ

Seriously? Banned? On what grounds?
Can't be religious grounds, that would be unconstitutional, wouldn't it?

Look, you're free to discount anything regarding evolution, and you're free to disagree with any of its facets or proponents. But you're talking about BANNING it?

And replacing it with what? When the subject of the history of the universal or the earth comes up, should PUBLIC school teachers be forced to simply say, "Gee, I don't know"? Should the historical record, the geological record, be replaced with.....what?....the Biblical record? Seriously? In SCIENCE class? in a PUBLIC school?

Much to your apparent chagrin, TAKITEZ, we do NOT live in a theocracy. For which I thank God.

"a mythology cannot affect my life."
#60 | POSTED BY TAKITEZ

Oh, the irony.

Based on your posts, a mythology has not only affected your life, it has defined it completely.

It is incredibly amazing that someone with such little knowledge of physics can stand before an audience and argue against the Big Bang (regardless.

More to the point, it's incredibly amazing that the people that make choices on the curriculum, text books, etc. are ELECtED (no actual education required!) to push an agenda contrary to the entire point of education.

More to the point, it's incredibly amazing that the people that make choices on the curriculum, text books, etc. are ELECtED (no actual education required!) to push an agenda contrary to the entire point of education.

In all fairness, Yav, the state school board was not elected to push this agenda. In fact, even though I try to keep up on the candidates, I do not remember evolution being an issue during the last election. Had it been, that would probably have been a defining factor in my vote -- which is probably why it was not an issue with the candidates! *grin*

*time*

I did some googling before I posted this. From the couple of sites I looked at that came up googling [texas state school board election 2008] I do not see the teaching of ID and/or evolution having been an issue with any of the candidates. The fact it came up so soon after the election suggests to this skeptical goat that the newly installed school board wants to get this agenda pushed, but forgotten by the next election -- especially considering the fact that all the local radio talk show hosts and callers (yes, they are generally conservative) seem to be surprised at the actions of the state school board.

I don't doubt your post, Goatman. For contrast, I thought I'd link to the Texas GOP Platform and paste the relevant section:

"Theories of Origin We support objective teaching and equal treatment of strengths and weaknesses of scientific theories, including Intelligent Design. We believe theories of life origins and environmental theories should be taught as scientific theory, not scientific law. Teachers and students should be able to discuss the strengths and weaknesses of these theories openly and without fear of retribution or discrimination of any kind."

"Traditional Principles in Education We support school subjects with emphasis on Judeo-Christian principles upon which America was founded and which form the basis of America's legal, political and economic systems."

There's a lot more in there with which I disagree, but that would be quite off topic.

There's a lot more in there with which I disagree, but that would be quite off topic.

Isn't that the nature of the beast. You're never going to like all of a party's platform unless you are truly mindless. Even the people running the parties have to make compromises between their values and what it takes to stay in power.

Isn't that the nature of the beast.

I suppose, but when I read the platform, I don't just disagree. I find it repulsive to my core.

The relevance is "How could anyone expect the Republican School Board Candidates vote for creationism?" in light of the Party's stated platform. I'd ask how could they not?

Texas didn't learn a thing from Dover.

Texas didn't learn a thing from Dover.

I imagine their inability to learn can be traced back to their wonderful School Board...

Mr. Gonzales...Mr Thom is not who he pretends to be. If he was, someone would have strangled him years ago just to shut him up. Jeebus! What a bag of Nazi party favors that clown's mind must be.

(That last bit is a Moneywar homage)

#47 | Posted by dutch46 at 2009-03-25 01:13 AM | Reply | Flag

Huh?

I have not posted on this thread and have never addressed dutch ever. Afraid your alter ego is getting the best of you.

Trash on science because the mind can't comprehend what is being said.

The world looks flat from my perspective so it must be flat. I watch the boats sail and fall from sight, the boats just fell off the edge.

Rational minds!

actually, humans are not apes. humans are primates. apes are also primates. FYI. :)

Thetom, I'm glad we both are happy that we don't live under a theocracy --- because the kingdom of God on earth is entered into only by choice and by free-will. God is not interested in forcing anybody into His kingdom, so He will be justified in denying entry into heaven to those who by free-will chose to disbelieve or refuse to submit to Him.

When the kids graduate from non-science high schools, their choices for college will be limited to a couple of non-credentialed, trailer park colleges, similar to the one where Ken Hovind scored his PhD.

#113 | Posted by takitez at 2009-03-26 03:30 AM | Reply | Flag: More stupid than Alex Jones fans.

from above...

"Texas -- and the rest of the world -- should know from eight years' experience observing George W. Bush that you can't evolve past a chimp."

#17 | Posted by PerCapita at 2009-03-24 03:57 PM

Err....well at least it proves that Texans cannot.
Oh, and add to that most of the Bible Thumpin South.

Let's just let them secede already. Since they refuse not to be ignorant. If they want to be seperate and unequal so badly, let them. They can rename the south and midwest Jesusland, and all wait around for the next 2000 years for Jesus and the Rapture to show up, buying religious music sold to them by con men and attending mega churches and NRA rallys.

The rest of us will will go about our business, actually believing in science, and not insisting that everything that disagrees with the Bible is some sort of Atheist/Pinko/Liberal/Commie/
Socialistic/Tree Hugging Conspiracy.

Sorry...ran out of any more common Right Wing labelings of everyone else and of anything that
disagrees with their narrow minded views...

p.s. Stick that in your Grits and Smoke it...

LOL (grins on his way out of the building, having
caused enough mischief for one day)...(dusts off
his hands)...

"A long time ago, I learned in a sciense class that a fire needs three elements to survive:
1- Heat
2- Fuel
3- Oxygen
Without any one of these three elements, there cannot be any fire.
Let's now take our Sun for example. It has been burning for, who knows, a million here, or a billion there, number of years. Yet, it never goes out. It continues to burn and and burn. As a matter of fact, there are some geniouses around us that claim that global warming is going to destroy the planet Earth. If scientists are correct, then the Sun should burn itself out in what, another million or billion years from now?, because, eventually, according to science, it will run out of fuel, right? What kind of fuel keeps it burning? Could it be that Earth will be destroyed by global cooling because the Sun is running out of fuel, as science supposedly proves? I wear, as a badge of honor, the belief in Intelligent Design, for I see all the proof I need of same, all around me, including in the incongruent theories of science itself."

The internet astounds me. Because it allows people whose ignorance is mind-boggling to get up on a pedestle and rant as though they one of the great minds of our time. Honestly if you were going to pick a hole in scientific theory why not point out the descrepancy between Newtonian Physics and Quantam Mechanics. Wait the problem is you're understanding of science is so bad, you only know of Newton as the guy who had an apple fall on his head, seriously the sun is just like a burning branch... wow. The fact is that evolution is the best descriptor of how life changes and adapts that we have today. Which is why it should be taught.

#115.... often spiritually blind people call me stupid.

And the damned consider the cross foolishness (1 Cor. 1:18; Romans 1:22).

"the damned"

#118 | Posted by takitez at 2009-03-26 10:02 AM | Reply | Flag: self-retort

Texas school board chairman Don McLeroy also sees the curriculum as a landmark -- but a positive one.

Dr. McLeroy believes that God created the earth less than 10,000 years ago.

The good Doctor is a Dentist...

the damned.... yes, it's biblical. John 3:18.

(The world already has fallen short of God's standard, and in mercy Jesus went down to the lowest humiliation (judged, spat upon, and punished on the cross) to rescue mankind. Whoever does not plead for the mercy of God is slated for a life away from eternal heaven.

But the arrogant think there are other ways (Oprah, for example), and that they can by their good works shame God into admitting them into heaven.

#117
An apple did not fall on Newton's head. It was an an early edition of that famous book, The Thoughts of Mao Tse-Tung. By coincidence, the book was shaped like an apple, so non believers jumped on the incident to teach evolution. Apples do not fall from the Tree of Life. I have no problem with evolution being on school programs. Intelligent students will evolutionize into knowing that, there HAS to be Intelligent Design behind intelligent evolution. Get it? Most likely not. Too bad. But may the Intelligent Design that you do not believe in, bless you anyhow, constantly.

Texas -- and the rest of the world -- should know from eight years' experience observing George W. Bush that you can't evolve past a chimp."

#17 | Posted by PerCapita at 2009-03-24 03:57 PM

Err....well at least it proves that Texans cannot.

It will be nice when some people have evolved past the point of believing that the actions and behaviors of 33 million people cannot be judged by the actions of one.

And if we are really lucky, some people will evolve to be smart enough that the one man they cite is a Yankee, not Texan. But in the case of the poster of #116 clearly I would be wise not to hold my breath while waiting for the positive of natural selection to benefit him/her.

"Intelligent students will evolutionize into knowing that, there HAS to be Intelligent Design behind intelligent evolution. Get it? Most likely not. Too bad. But may the Intelligent Design that you do not believe in, bless you anyhow, constantly."

There is a line of faith that suggest since the universe works so well there must be a God. It's called Deism. But Deisist tend to believe that an intelligent creator wouldn't really bless anybody because hey he gave you this pretty awesome universe what more do you need.

But regardless Intelligent Design is not science and it shouldn't be taught. ID has no place in a Biology class.

Let's just let them secede already. Since they refuse not to be ignorant. If they want to be seperate and unequal so badly, let them. They can rename the south and midwest Jesusland, and all wait around for the next 2000 years for Jesus and the Rapture to show up, buying religious music sold to them by con men and attending mega churches and NRA rallys.

Is there anyone other than me who sees simple and unabounded ignorance in someone who judges an entire state by a couple of school board members?

It really makes you scratch your head and say, "This person is actually calling me ignorant?!?" LOL

I suggest you 'muse' about something else. The realities of life on 'earth' clearly escape you.

But regardless Intelligent Design is not science and it shouldn't be taught. ID has no place in a Biology class.

#124 | Posted by astrobuckeye at 2009-03-26 10:58 AM

I agree 100% and feel that perhaps we should require a Philosophy or Critical Thinking class to allow for ID discussion and evolution vs creation.

I agree 100% and feel that perhaps we should require a Philosophy or Critical Thinking class to allow for ID discussion and evolution vs creation.

I've pondered this option as well, Kanrei, but I think it would not work because of the brick wall of church and seperation. It pretty much guarantees that the word god cannot be uttered within the confines of a school.

I know you said ID, but clearly that is thinly veiled attempt to sneak god in the back door and the courts aren't that stupid.

"I agree 100% and feel that perhaps we should require a Philosophy or Critical Thinking class to allow for ID discussion and evolution vs creation."

I think this would be okay if you didn't make the class a requirment but allowed it as an elective, high school does have those. But also made sure to discuss religious theory and not try to pound religious belief into people.

Goat,
It would be tough, but I think a Critical Thinking class could allow talk of G-d within school because it would be a class to debate the existance and not to sell one particular brand. Philosophy is all about the meaning of life, is it not, so wouldn't this fall under it's realm?

"often spiritually blind people call me stupid."

That's because they're being polite. I can't imagine what the spiritual think of you and your grand pronouncements of what God's will is.

#122 | POSTED BY MRRETALIATION

What in the hell are you babbling about? It appears that not only is your knowledge of science minimal at best, but your command of the english language and abilities to string together coherent thoughts are also minimal at best.

"Is there anyone other than me who sees simple and unabounded ignorance in someone who judges an entire state by a couple of school board members?"

I do, particularly in light of the controversy this has caused. The citizens of Texas are hardly behind this change 100%.
I was actually surprised to see this topic again since I thought the vote had already been taken a few weeks ago. I guess I was wrong.

"I agree 100% and feel that perhaps we should require a Philosophy or Critical Thinking class to allow for ID discussion and evolution vs creation."

There's already too much information for kids to learn in too little time without introducing a manufactured controversy and false paradigm. ID has no place in high school. Period.

Let it be taught where it belongs, in church along with the rest of the kid's religious instructions.

Goat is back from licking his wounds I see. that is the real reason he takes off two weeks at a time. He gets a thrashing and then comes back to try and win a few arguments here which never happens. Most all of East Texas is filled with ignorant Yokels. West Texas towns like Laredo and El Paso are pretty cool though.

It will be nice when some people have evolved past the point of believing that the actions and behaviors of 33 million people cannot be judged by the actions of one.

#123 | Posted by goatman

But you have to admit, the evidence does continue to mount...

Rep. Gary Elkins Asks, "What's Medicaid?"

by: Al Stanley
Sat Mar 21, 2009 at 10:22 PM CDT

As reported in today's American-Statesman, hours into a hearing of the Health and Human Services Committee, Republican committee member Gary Elkins, an eight-term member of the Texas House of Representatives asked,

"What's Medicaid? I know I hear it ... I really don't know what it is. I know that's a big shock to everyone in the audience, Okay?"

Elkins comes to the Capitol from Jersey Village, which lies along U.S. 290, just outside the tollway in northwest Harris County.

Philosophy is all about the meaning of life, is it not, so wouldn't this fall under it's realm?

That would be up to the courts, not common sense to decide. *grin*

Goat is back from licking his wounds I see.

???

I did get a few scratches camping the last couple of weeks, but I'd hardly call them wounds.

Thanks for your concern, however.

Most all of East Texas is filled with ignorant Yokels.

There are some there who fit that description, (as in any large enough demographic sample, but I don't mean to speak over your head) but I wouldn't say most.

West Texas towns like Laredo and El Paso are pretty cool though.

They are. And their 'cool' factor (as well as average IQ) doubles when you leave from your self admitted whoring rampages there. Seeing the loser you portray yourself to be, it is not amazing that you have to come to border towns and plop down money to get laid. Sad that even the American whores know better and avoid the likes of yourself. LOL

But you have to admit, the evidence does continue to mount...

Wow. Three elected officials now officially set the standard for 33,000,000 people.

Thanks for the correction, sanan.

Geez, lighten up dude. It was a joke.

Goat first off I do a great service in Mexico. I help a lot of single moms feed their children. Who have you ever helped? Nobody! being a republican that would be against your nature. We all know the real reason you don't come here when you are away from the rig. You lose 99% of your debates and need a respite from it.

On this topic I believe creationism should not be taught in schools only church. It is lies and should be explained as such.

My English teacher, who was an evolutionist, also was of the opinion that languages also themselves evolutionize (evolve). Remember that famous baseball player, Yogi? In England, one can say, me thinks evolution is a good subject. In Texas, I suppose you can say, I think evolution is a good subject. More proof that Intelligent Design is more intelligent than evolution by itself. You, and I know, that you know, who I am referring too, will never get it. But Intelligent Design will continue to work on, and for you.

FOR THE RECORD: I am not against the teaching of evolution. It is a very interesting and intelligent subjet. Intelligent Design has made it so. i

Is there anyone other than me who sees simple and unabounded ignorance in someone who judges an entire state by a couple of school board members?

It really makes you scratch your head and say, "This person is actually calling me ignorant?!?" LOL

I suggest you 'muse' about something else. The realities of life on 'earth' clearly escape you.

#125 | Posted by goatman at 2009-03-26 10:58 AM

O.K., O.K., so I admit to being momentarily frustrated and taking it out on Fundy peeps in
some rant of questionable humor...for that I
apologize. But hey, sometimes you just gotta
vent (lol)...(esp. on Thursday Mornings)

All the more reason not to spend time here.

There is little to no discussion here. Just
2 camps saying how much their side rules and
the other side sucks.

Seriously though, I don't mind people teaching
whatever they want to their kids. They are 'Their
Kids' afterall. What I mind is teaching it in Public School. Sorry feel strongly about Separation of Church and State. I believe it was
one of the greatest ideas this nation ever had.
Democracy does not = Theocracy. The State, and Public Schools have no purpose teaching theology or debating theological matters. I mean we left Europe after all, (our forefathers), for something called "freedom of religion". So that people would not have the Government tell them how to worship. And that was a wise principle. So was Seperation of Church and State, so that no one religion could rise to dominance and be promoted officially by the State. Church is where religion belongs. You want to raise your kid as a good little conservative christian type, go ahead, who am I to stop you?
But do it in a Private School or in a Home School Environment that caters to such things. I mean a few years ago, that was all the rage wasn't it? Conservatives complaining that they couldn't Home School their kids? Whatever happened to that. I tell you what happened. They got that, and now they want to invade the Public School System too.
It's not (the non-believers) fault that people are leaving organized religion in record numbers. Its not (the non-believers) fault that the amount of Agnostics, doubters, skeptics, and atheists has doubled in the last 20 years or so in this country.

It seems to me that history is repleat with examples of religions fading over time. Heck, peeps
used to believe in Apollo and Zeus, and thousands of other deities, and all over time failed.

Well guess what? Jesus hasn't shown up for 2000 years...ergo....some of us are getting tired of waiting and beginning to have doubts. Simply a logicial expectation...

So Goat...go teach your kids whatever, that the world is flat, that Jesus is coming back shortly, that the world is only 4000 years old or whatever, that's fine by me, just don't expect me to lay down and take it when you try to foist your beliefs upon a Public School System that teaches millions of kids, when you already have other viable options, like CHURCH, like HOMESCHOOLING, like PRIVATE SCHOOLING.

You have 3 options man. Choose one of them and teach your kids what you want...

Goat first off I do a great service in Mexico. I help a lot of single moms feed their children.

I guess that's one way to justify being such a loser than you can't get laid without Mexican whores. Whatever does it for you, dude.

Who have you ever helped? Nobody!

???

Whatever. Only losers answer their own questions. Only the king of losers is wrong when he does. But at least you have that nifty throne, ratsa.

being a republican

???

Do you ever get anything right?

...that would be against your nature.

Wrong yet again (big surprise) assuming that republicans are non-helping. There have been many studies that republicans give more to charity, tip better, etc., than democrats. So in that respect, I am a republican. In many others, I'm not.

We all know the real reason you don't come here when you are away from the rig.

Of course you do. I've explained many times before that I have much better things to do when I'm onshore than sit behind a keyboard. It's very sad you don't, ratsa, but knowing your abrasive personality, I understand why blogging is such an integral part of your social life.

You lose 99% of your debates and need a respite from it.

If that was the case, I would not come here at all now would I? I know that common sense is virture you do not possess, so you'll just have to take my word for it.

Don't you ever get anything right? (oops, sorry for the stupid question)

Later ratsa.

Earthmuse: I don't know if you missed my post #105 upthread, but it is my cynical opinion that the TSB brought this up very quickly after the elections so that it would be forgotten by the next one. During the campaign periods, I never read anything about teaching evolution or ID being pushed by any of the candidates. Had they, it would have been the kiss of death, IMO.

This dovetails with a couple of talk radio shows here in SA where the callers felt they had been blindsided as well. I think those on the schoolboard supporting this will have to face the music if they want to get re-elected. As conservative as this part of the state appears to be, (it's largely military) I can't see any grass roots support for these ID clowns.

My penis was intelligently designed to inseminate as many right wing whores a possible so that I can breed a ton of liberals into existence and through procreation eliminate the conservatives. A good dicking goes a long way, just ask the ladies, or takeitz(whose god is still bending him over)!!

LM

My penis was intelligently designed to inseminate as many right wing whores a possible so that I can breed a ton of liberals into existence and through procreation eliminate the conservatives.

So liberalism is a genetic defect? One point for the 'nature over nurture' crowd.

No, it's a Dominant Gene. Bow down before us, Goatboy!

No, it's a Dominant Gene. Bow down before us, Goatboy!

???

OK? So are the genes that cause flatulance! Only a blind partisian idiot would think it normal to bow before dominance. So better look for someone else to grovel with you. I may be a goat, but I ain't no sheeple! LOL

OK, have a sense of humor and learn to take a joke, douchebag.

OK, have a sense of humor and learn to take a joke, douchebag.

I have a great one, but obviously one that's over your head. Sorry. I'll tone it down for you next time I know you are part of the audience, m'core.

How about, "Why does a fireman wear red suspenders"? More your speed? LOL

BTW, is 'douchebag' supposed to be a joke? If so, allow me to rephrase:

"Why does a fireman wear red suspenders, douchebag?"

(to keep his pants up)

Goat,

It' a term of endearment, except when booger uses it!

LM

#26 | Posted by fwthom at 2009-03-24 04:53 PM

Remember when all those so-called lib scientists voted on global warming and gave it a thumbs up. Now it's our turn to vote on evilution and we will give it a thumbs down. It's what libs call the scientific method.

Johnson-
The value of pi will be determined by the Congress, enacted into law, and signed by Obama.

Right. As we all know, Obama has signaled an unscientific bent to policy considerations after the hyper secular and rational Bush years....

Go whack off, Johnson.

REALLY!

Intelligent Design is a notch higher than the theory of evolution --- the former is intelligence and the latter is guesswork.

Takitez gets his "former" and "latter" mixed up.

It makes perfect sense if you have the conclusion carved in stone before you actually investigate anything.

It's just neater that way.

Intelligent Design is a notch higher than the theory of evolutionion

in whose eyes? The eyes of those who depend on faith or the eyes of those who expect proof?

My guess is the former. My world depends on that which can be proven, not that which my superstitious ancestors relied on. but that's just me. Your milage may vary.

Intelligence informs me that humans never evolved and there is no evidence against it. None.

"Intelligence informs me that humans never evolved and there is no evidence against it. None."

#155 | Posted by takitez at 2009-03-26 06:11 PM | Reply | Flag: evolutionary dead end

Looks like the gene pool could use more chlorine.

Top 10 Missing Links

They didn't say they won't teach evolution. Just said that they can show competing theories. What is the danger in that?

Teachers will throw up trial balloons and shoot them down. Maybe we should actually be open to another possible theory aside from evolution. Categorically excluding other thoughts, and require acceptance without challenging seems just as narrow-minded as teaching only creationism.

Somoco,
There are no other theories competing with evolution. People have brought alternative hypotheses, but none have passed muster. It is because they haven't the slightest shred of credibility that their supporters are trying to push them into the classroom by back door, convoluted reasoning like "strengths and weaknesses" crap.

Jesus is the worst lie history has ever made, just a sad excuse to ass rape boys, denigrate science, subjugate women, bilk the poor and pocket wealth for a bunch of frail and weak men.

LM

I challenge any poster on this website to provide proof of intelligent design?

I bet the only proof anyone comes back with is based on complexity!! Which in and of itself is not scientific. So there will only be philosphical "proofs", a relative quagmire of conjecture about as convoluted as the religious books it is trying to validate.

LM

I guess my point is not that evolution is not the most logical explanation with science behind it; the point is that we should always be testing our theories with competing theories, even if they are currently weak.

Otherwise, it leads to a dead end with the answer. On an issue where there might actually be another answer (even aside from intelligent design), it seems foolish to not even pose questions on the theory.

I do agree, however, that if the idea here is to just teach creationism in a religious context, that will not do.

As for your comments on Jesus being an excuse to ass-rape boys -- that is just pathetic.

Somo-

I would offer this up as being pathetic, as well as fucking disgusting and against the laws of humanity....but this comes from the book that so many people cherish..

(2 Samuel 12:11-14 NAB)

Thus says the Lord: 'I will bring evil upon you out of your own house. I will take your wives [plural] while you live to see it, and will give them to your neighbor. He shall lie with your wives in broad daylight. You have done this deed in secret, but I will bring it about in the presence of all Israel, and with the sun looking down.'

Then David said to Nathan, "I have sinned against the Lord." Nathan answered David: "The Lord on his part has forgiven your sin: you shall not die. But since you have utterly spurned the Lord by this deed, the child born to you must surely die." [The child dies seven days later.]

That is FUCKED up!!

LM

Sorry, I forgt to add I do agree 100% with exploring all theories presented, as long as they fit within scientific standards and don't open up the door to pseudo-scientific theories, which is all ID is. Now if you have some others you would look to discuss out here, I would love to hear them and investigate them more. I personally haven't come across anything other than the main three ideas of how life came to be on this planet.

1)Evolution
2)Alien-panspermia
3)creation

I listed in the order I consider most logical...

LM

Intelligence informs me that humans never evolved and there is no evidence against it. None.

A it is logically impossible to prove a negative, you are correct. There is no evidence against intelligent design. There is, however, ample evidence for competing theories, whereas there is none for ID. (faith is not evidence, btw)

We all know God created the world, so just tell the kids the truth.

God created the world, and there are people who don't believe this who are going to burn in eternal hell fires.

I would have been so much easier to get a good grade in science.

"We all know God created the world, so just tell the kids the truth.

God created the world, and there are people who don't believe this who are going to burn in eternal hell fires.

I would have been so much easier to get a good grade in science."

If i am missing the sarcasm, sorry. Public school is not the platform for religion, your message is taught daily in private and home schools everywhere as well as churches across the nation. I do agree that the god logic is the easy answer, one desn't really have to understand anythig that way.

LM

Dr. McLeroy believes that God created the earth less than 10,000 years ago. If the new curriculum passes, he says he will insist that high-school biology textbooks point out specific aspects of the fossil record that, in his view, undermine the theory that all life on Earth is descended from primitive scraps of genetic material that first emerged in the primordial muck about 3.9 billion years ago.

He also wants the texts to make the case that individual cells are far too complex to have evolved by chance mutation and natural selection, an argument popular with those who believe an intelligent designer created the universe.

The textbooks will "have to say that there's a problem with evolution -- because there is," said Dr. McLeroy, a dentist. "We need to be honest with the kids."

Sure, let's let a dentist decide what gets taught in science classes in public schools. Open wide, y'all.

If i am missing the sarcasm, sorry. Public school is not the platform for religion, your message is taught daily in private and home schools everywhere as well as churches across the nation. I do agree that the god logic is the easy answer, one desn't really have to understand anythig that way.

LM

You were missing the sarcasm. I thought my post was kinda funny, serious side effects of the underlying issues notwithstanding (which makes it all the more funny)