Your link is a google search.

Utah, the on-line porn capital of the country.

Two more lives ruined, by that uniquely American Saga of the Scarlet Letter.

I am sure that the 13-year-old boy, being a future man, is at fault here for having sexually attacked these two women. It's always the man's fault, don't you know? Let these poor ladies go.

Two more lives ruined, by that uniquely American Saga of the Scarlet Letter.

#3 | Posted by nutcase

They should be thankful that Utah is not as draconian as Saudi Arabia.

This kid is going to have nightmares for the rest of his life. He'll wake up screaming "Get the fuck off me!" every night. What a shame.

This kid will have bragging rights for the rest of his life.

From the sidebar: Marco R. Herrera, 53, received three consecutive one-to-15 year prison terms for engaging in sexual acts with a 14-year-old girl at least 10 times.

Consecutive ! sentences.

Will these women receive similiar sentences? I doubt it.

You all know what's popular in Bountiful, right?

They should rot in prison.

"Will these women receive similiar sentences? I doubt it."

No, they'll blame it on their husbands and plead mercy in front of the judge and the judge will buy it. Then they'll go on Oprah to talk about their ordeal. And then of course, a deal for a LifeTime movie can't be far behind.

This kid will have bragging rights for the rest of his life.

#7 | Posted by chickenrancher

Your link is a google search.

Ugh. Thanks for pointing that out. What happened to my mad monkey editing fu?

When I post stories I search for the paper or TV station that originated the story, because it usually has more details. I was not doing recreational googling for the topic "two teachers have sex with same student."

This kid will have bragging rights for the rest of his life.

Would you say that if the student was female and the teachers male?

-I was not doing recreational googling for the topic "two teachers have sex with same student."

I, for one, believe you. No, really, I do.

These miscreants were given paid vacations by their district, that should be a deter future offenders.

I was not doing recreational googling for the topic "two teachers have sex with same student." -- #13 | Posted by rcade

Would never have thought that. Figured you found it on the same site as the "Huge Story" with dancing bananas from a few days ago.

good lord, read through the sidebard on that page... Utah sounds like a pretty fucked-up place.

"Will these women receive similiar sentences? I doubt it."

No, only the attractive women teachers who have sex with students are given lenient sentences. These women are ugly, and will get harsh sentences.

"Will these women receive similiar sentences? I doubt it."

No, they'll blame it on their husbands... --#11 | Posted by member2586

Well, since it's the wives' fault when husbands cheat...

I was not doing recreational googling for the topic "two teachers have sex with same student."

#13 | Posted by rcade

"I can more understand a teacher say, aged 23, humping a junior or senior. But this wide an age gap is a bit much, even for an open-minded like me. :0

I trust jail time awaits these teachers."

I can't understand what an adult woman would find attractive about a kid not even old enough for high school or a high schooler for that matter. But I would admit I'd be sympathetic in a case where the age difference was near 5 years instead of approaching 20. I hope they get harsh sentences, it seems there is an epidemic of this type of behavior. Or maybe it just went unreported before.

Did you say Utes?

Phoenix,

Your link is broke, but removing the " . " at the end fixes it. That story is pathetic. 30 days...

Utah sounds like a pretty fucked-up place. -- #19 | Posted by bellaspapa

I was not doing recreational googling for the topic "two teachers have sex with same student."

#13 | Posted by rcade

Nobody thought it was "recreational" Googling.

If you get a chance, look at this website. It details all of the women teachers who have been caught having inappropriate relationships with students. The numbers are staggering

Click on a letter at the top of the page to be taken to any other page of teachers (sorted by first name).

Commonsense's link has shown me one thing: I really need to get back into school!

"No, only the attractive women teachers who have sex with students are given lenient sentences. These women are ugly, and will get harsh sentences."

"Feminism was established as to allow unattractive women easier access to the mainstream of society." -- Rush Limbaugh, Updated Undeniable Truth of LIfe #24

Of course, no right-winger pays attention to what the Fat-Ass from EIB says, right?

EIB? You obviously have listened to him too then.

Of course, no right-winger pays attention to what the Fat-Ass from EIB says, right?

#31 | Posted by Snark_Needleton

Every Limbaugh thread, pal.

"Feminism was established as to allow unattractive women easier access to the mainstream of society." -- Rush Limbaugh -- #30 | Posted by member2586

Please tell me you see the irony of LIMBAUGH's making such a statement...

evidently, the student has a thing for homely women.

-evidently, the student has a thing for homely women.

I like it that nanc is optimistic about her chances.....

"Will these women receive similiar sentences? I doubt it."

If that was my baby boy, they wouldn't have to worry about it. They last thing on this earth they would experience is my rage before they went to whatever hell pedophiles go to. I have no sympathy for any of these assholes & hope they all rot in hell!

It will be a travesty of justice & a failure to our children if we don't treat these women the same as men who committed the same crime.

From "News of the Weird"

On successive days in January in the courthouse in Sheboygan, Wis., 17-year-old Alan Jepsen and 17-year-old Norma Guthrie were each charged with sexual assault for having consensual sex with their respective 14-year-old, opposite-sex companions. However, Jepsen was charged with a felony (maximum: 25 years in prison), and Guthrie was charged with a misdemeanor (maximum, 9 months). [Sheboygan Press, 1-9-09]

You all know what's popular in Bountiful, right?

#9 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine

Big Love. He'll marry both of them and life will go on...

Utah sounds like a pretty fucked-up place. -- #19 | Posted by bellaspapa

It definitely is-my Brother-In-Law has lived there for over 25 years, if it gets any MORE fucked up-we're gonna hafta burn the entire state to the ground and start over.....

If you get a chance, look at this website. It details all of the women teachers who have been caught having inappropriate relationships with students. The numbers are staggering

I am curious as to how many such sexual abuses it will take before every teacher is stereotyped the way every Catholic priest is.

Cheers

Every Limbaugh thread, pal.

#34 | Posted by Snark_Needleton

I am curious as to how many such sexual abuses it will take before every teacher is stereotyped the way every Catholic priest is.

Cheers

#42 | Posted by Grendel at 2009-03-11 12:36 PM

Very fair question and a valid point Grendel. Point taken.

"I am curious as to how many such sexual abuses it will take before every teacher is stereotyped the way every Catholic priest is. "

Maybe right after the Board of Education and the Superintendents conspire to shuffle teachers off to other, unsuspecting schools.

Kanrei,

My guess it the stereotype will never happen with teachers.

What perpetuates the stereotypes for priest is not so much disgust with pedophilia as much as it is hostility toward organized religion.

Thus, the church sex abuse scandals for many is not the focus of their anger, but merely the ammunition or fuel for their anger in general.

There is no general hostility toward teachers that the stereotype can tap in to.

Cheers

"What perpetuates the stereotypes for priest is not so much disgust with pedophilia as much as it is hostility toward organized religion."

Speak for yourself.

Maybe right after the Board of Education and the Superintendents conspire to shuffle teachers off to other, unsuspecting schools.

That is an indictment of the church hierarchy.

Why would that necessarily perpetuate the stereotype that ALL priests are pedophiles?

Cheers

I loved being an altar boy, btw...

wait, that's not helping, is it?

"What perpetuates the stereotypes for priest is not so much disgust with pedophilia as much as it is hostility toward organized religion."

Speak for yourself.

Sounds like a tacit recognition that you perpetuate a stereotype.

Cheers

I loved being an altar boy, btw...

wait, that's not helping, is it?

#49 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine

I loved being an altar boy, btw...

I did, too. Free wine and all the flavorless crackers you could eat. My friend Steve and I did mass drunk more than once.

"That is an indictment of the church hierarchy. "

So?

"Why would that necessarily perpetuate the stereotype that ALL priests are pedophiles?"

Because single priests were enabled to do the molesting of many. And the conspiracies contributed to the rap.

Sounds like a tacit recognition that you perpetuate a stereotype.
#50 | Posted by Grendel

Don't confuse a generalization with a universalization.

But you have to admit that the church in general has emphasized protecting priests over protecting children.

Many otherwise good and honest every day priests were fully aware of why the shuffling thing was going on and did/said nothing. Are they all pedophiles? No, have they aided and abetted such behavior? Yes.

Please tell me you see the irony of LIMBAUGH's making such a statement...

#35 | Posted by Phoenix

It might be ironic, to some the comment may sound insencity or rude, and yet, do you believe people should be sentenced according to how they look or get a job depending on how they look? if you examine close Rush's comment, you may actually agree with what he says even if you disagree with the way he says it.

I did, too. Free wine and all the flavorless crackers you could eat. My friend Steve and I did mass drunk more than once.
#52 | Posted by goatman

Hagbard too. But I also took the miracle seriously. I liked knowing that the transubstantiation didn't occur until I rang the bell. Sometimes I'd try to excercise a little control over the moment and hesitate... until father Conroy gave me this look out the corner of his eye.

I have the night terrors because of that look.

evidently, the student has a thing for homely women.

I like it that nanc is optimistic about her chances.....

#37 | Posted by Corky

Well nanc, at least Corko here doesn't infer you are a man, that's progress. Since you believe in that guy up there you should pray for Corko.

"Why would that necessarily perpetuate the stereotype that ALL priests are pedophiles?"

Because single priests were enabled to do the molesting of many. And the conspiracies contributed to the rap.

Yes, individual priests molested school children. The church faltered badly in dealing with the issue.

Once the public became aware that it was individual priests in various places and not every priest everywhere, the stereotype should be weakened not strengthened. But that was not so.

I maintain that because people dislike the church, stereotyping priests as all pedophiles made it easier to justify their dislike. That essentially is the purpose of all negative stereotypes--to make it easy to assign one's disdain and contempt quickly--and to feel good about doing it.

I see it here every time the Catholic church is the subject of any thread.

Cheers

RCade is so defensive for some reason...

Not at all. How dare you suggest that I'm being defensiv-- er, uh, never mind.

Must step out for a while.

Have a good afternoon all.

Cheers

You all know what's popular in Bountiful, right?

#9 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine

Probably the same thing that is popular in Wasilla.

"Once the public became aware that it was individual priests in various places and not every priest everywhere, the stereotype should be weakened not strengthened."

Speak for yourself. I grew up Catholic and my second cousin is a Roman Catholic priest, and a great one at that. What strengthened the stereotype was the conspiracy. It seemed the bosses approved. Oh wait...they did.

er, uh, never mind.

#59 | Posted by rcade

Don't you love it when rCade plays the punk?

I think his last public appearance, though this time from the phone in the closet where he hides from his wife, has been a bit heady for him. He twitters and tingles and just wants to be our buddy.

Well I still have his secret diary if anyone wants a good read.

Would you say that if the student was female and the teachers male?

----

Hot for Teacher
- Van Halen

How the hell did these women sodomize a male?

Just curious............

#65 | Posted by BiggieDan at 2009-03-11 01:54 PM

Oral sex is also considered sodomy.

"How the hell did these women sodomize a male? Just curious............"

Hint: look up the definition.

Or ask Kanrei....

13 is the new 18

15 will get you 20
But that's all right
'Cause we'll be rockin' and a rollin'
On a Livingston Saturday night

Jimmy Buffet

Hot for Teacher
- Van Halen

#64 | Posted by Pirate at 2009-03-11 01:52 PM |

I don't think they had those two beasts in mind.

Instead I got a bottle, and a girl that's just 13, and a damn good case of the Mexicalli Blues.

I'M LOOKING FOR A SMOOTH 12-YEAR OLD....

bottle of single-malt scotch. You all have any suggestions??

"I'M LOOKING FOR A SMOOTH 12-YEAR OLD...."

I didn't realize Michael Jackson posted in the DR.

I am curious as to how many such sexual abuses it will take before every teacher is stereotyped the way every Catholic priest is.

Cheers

#42 | Posted by Grendel at 2009-03-11 12:36 PM | Reply | Flag:

Well, firstly they'd have to handle the child molestation by simply transferring the teacher to another school and pretending it never happened. Since that's not (a majority of the time) what the school system DOES, I don;t forsee it happening.

"Well, firstly they'd have to handle the child molestation by simply transferring the teacher to another school and pretending it never happened. Since that's not (a majority of the time) what the school system DOES, I don;t forsee it happening.
#75 | Posted by soheifox at 2009-03-11 02:19 PM"

It also would help to place teachers on a pedastal so that there would be incentive for those who want to get smug satisfaction from tearing them down. As it is, teachers are treated with such little respect that any tear down is a mighty small "accomplishment".

Another Utah Saint Polygamist in training....
GO LDS!!!!!

Damn it! Only three more nights and Id be on the HONOR ROLL! Got the SEX EDUCATION course down pat, pushing in an A in Math, pulling a B in State History! Just need to find a couple more teachers to help me out, wont have to study until I get into college! Lucky me! As and Bs and with so LITTLE effort, man the stuff these teachers learn in Teachers College, whered they go to school again? GOTTA BE ONE HELL OF A SCHOOL!

Well, firstly they'd have to handle the child molestation by simply transferring the teacher to another school and pretending it never happened. Since that's not (a majority of the time) what the school system DOES, I don;t forsee it happening

People don't hear the news that the church bungled the issue and say, "Yes, that is because all priests are pedophiles." Instead they heard that some priests committed these acts and then made assumptions about priests in general. The criticism of the church hierarchy is secondary.

In short the stereotype was born not from attempts at a cover up but from repeated news stories that some priests had committed these acts.

Interestingly over the past few years there have been numerous repeated news stories of students being abused by teachers. Yet, no stereotype is developing.

My previous post suggested that the stereotype against priests was fueled mostly by people's disdain of the church.

It becomes an easy card to pull when having to deal with any issue that involves the church. "I don't want to listen to them and I can shut them up simply by raising this stereotype." Since most people give credence to the stereotype, therefore, it is sanctioned by popular thought and this in turn empowers the person using the card. It's fairness is never called into question.

Go back over the years and read any of the threads on this blog that involve the Church. The pedophile stereotype is almost always raised--an often more than once--in the very way that I describe.

Cheers

It also would help to place teachers on a pedastal so that there would be incentive for those who want to get smug satisfaction from tearing them down. As it is, teachers are treated with such little respect that any tear down is a mighty small "accomplishment".

Your point about teachers having little respect is well made; however, a group does not have to be placed on a pedestal in order to suffer from unfair stereotyping. This is something, I am sure, the African American community understands well.

Cheers

Well, firstly they'd have to handle the child molestation by simply transferring the teacher to another school and pretending it never happened.

How do you know this doesn't happen? If a school were to handle a molestation case this way, then you would never learn about it.

Since that's not (a majority of the time) what the school system DOES, I don;t forsee it happening.

Again, how do you know what happens the majority of the time? Is this just a guess? Intuition? For all we really know it is just as likely that these incidents remain between the teacher and student the majority of the time; a scenario not unlike that which was common in the Catholic Church. People were victimized in their youth and remained quite about it for years... likely many of them would have continued to do so had not the scandals begun appearing in the news with greater frequency.

"Unless you can provide a quote where someone said no right wingers pay attention to Rush I'm afraid you're either stupid or a liar.

#43 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE "

Call me a liar, 'cause you've got stupid all locked up.

Don't they check kids eyesight in school anymore?
This kid is in desperate need of corrective lenses.

"It also would help to place teachers on a pedastal so that there would be incentive for those who want to get smug satisfaction from tearing them down. As it is, teachers are treated with such little respect that any tear down is a mighty small "accomplishment".

Your point about teachers having little respect is well made; however, a group does not have to be placed on a pedestal in order to suffer from unfair stereotyping. This is something, I am sure, the African American community understands well.
Cheers
#80 | Posted by Grendel at 2009-03-11 04:18 PM"

Agreed. I might have not made it overly clear, but what I was aiming for was that the HIGHER on a pedastal a person/group is placed, the MORE likely they are to be a target of those who desire to tear such "pedastal residents" down. In that sense, it's MORE likely that priests/ministers/rabbis/etc. will be targets than teachers since they (IMHO) are not considered to be as high on "the pedastal" in society (well, at least in US society).

This kid will have bragging rights for the rest of his life.

#7 | Posted by chickenrancher

I assume you believe a 13 year old girl would have bragging rights for the rest of her life if two male teachers had sex with her.
You have problems.

the two teachers were overhead saysig "Wow, that kids got a big dick", which is why there were two of them!

It might be ironic... and yet, do you believe people should be sentenced according to how they look or get a job depending on how they look? -- #55 | Posted by member2586

Oh dear. You're in worse shape than I thought.

"Feminism was established as to allow unattractive women easier access to the mainstream of society." -- Rush Limbaugh -- #30 | Posted by member2586

Did you get the Limbaugh quote from Rove's workout site? From Cheney's "Discipline: Dietary and Fiscal" blog?

Really, I'm trying to help you here. After all, if you follow Rush's logic, there's no need for a men's movement -- Rush alone is living proof that unattractive men already have access to the mainstream of society.

GO LDS!!!!!

#77 | Posted by richie618

LSD is much better, what a trip man!

Really, I'm trying to help you here. After all, if you follow Rush's logic, there's no need for a men's movement -- Rush alone is living proof that unattractive men already have access to the mainstream of society.

#87 | Posted by Phoenix

I think that the reasons a man's movement is needed are different than the reasons why a woman's movement was started in the first place. Men and women are treated differently in today's society and some women are just fine with that even thought the women's movement started out with the noble goal of equality. See back page.

LSD is much better, what a trip man! -- #88 | Posted by member2586

Ah. NOW I understand.

From the sidebar: Marco R. Herrera, 53, received three consecutive one-to-15 year prison terms for engaging in sexual acts with a 14-year-old girl at least 10 times.

Consecutive ! sentences.

Will these women receive similiar sentences? I doubt it.

#8 | Posted by OzarkAggie at 2009-03-11 11:22 AM | Reply | Flag:

Exactly. The legal system acts one way when a man rapes a child, but another way when a woman does. It's truly sickening.

I think that the reasons a man's movement is needed are different than the reasons why a woman's movement was started in the first place. Men and women are treated differently in today's society and some women are just fine with that... --#89 | Posted by member2586

We've talked about this before. I am willing to bet that I was voicing concerns about traditional gender assumptions -- including bias against fathers, valuing men according to their paychecks, failing to regard sexualization of boys as abuse, etc. -- long before the light bulb ever went off over your head.

You're too busy spewing misogyny to consider that possibility, though, to admit that women are *ever* treated unfairly, or to recognize that we're talking about flip sides of the same coin.

1. The light bulb went off even before I started blogging. For a while now I've been observing the unequal treatment of people and the hypocrisy of our society, saying one thing and doing something else.

2. Misogyny means the hatred of women, not the pointing out of how the genders are treated. Words like misogynist don't scare me when applied to me because I know I am not.

Caligynophobia is what this boy was suffering from..the fear of beautiful women.

I just want to say you are all better people that I am. You can look past the horrible writing and actually discuss the contents of the article. The only thing I got from it was a deep hatred for Steve Gehrke and Jason Bergreen. Unless of course they're 7 and this is an in class writing assignment. In that case, I could forgive them just this once.

Way to go Salt Lake Tribune for your impeccable standards!

vouchers! vouchers! Vouchers!

AND LOTS OF PAPER BAGS

I do believe the punishment for statutory rape should be equal for both men and women. But I think too many people confuse statutory rape with pedophilia. Someone who takes advantage of a naive, sexual-charged teenager, certainly deserves sometime in jail. Someone who preys on small, defenseless children, should never see another free day for the rest of their miserable fucking lives.

But alas, most states have a swinging-door policy when it comes to any type of rapist. They gotta make room for the truly evil potheads.

But alas, most states have a swinging-door policy when it comes to any type of rapist. They gotta make room for the truly evil potheads.

Otherwise the potheads become fiendish juggernauts of sexual assault... I learned it in DARE.

"fiendish juggernauts of sexual assualt"

It's a bit of a mouthful...but I might be asking your permission to use it to re-name my band.

Was it at the same time? These teachers get kinkier all the time. Do they teach this stuff in Current Events class?

I wonder if at the beginning of the school year these teachers placed "dibs" on their favorite student?